hi, everyone, happy friday. it's 4:00 in new york. the vice president taking on one of the hallmarks of trump's third run for the white house, the conspiracy theories, fear mongering, the outright lies about the biden administration's handling of the southern border. the vice president will land in tucson, arizona, delivering remarks at the southern border in a few hours as part of a push to highlight her policies as well as trump's record on the border. in particular, his plan or his successful effort to kill that bipartisan deal just because it would have handed the biden administration a win on immigration. here's what she had to say about that in an msnbc exclusive interview with my colleague steph ruhle. >> well, first of all, we do

have a broken immigration system. and it needs to be fixed. if we take a step back, months ago, some of the most conservative members of the united states congress came together with others, proposed a border security bill that would have put 1,500 border agents on the border to help the hard working border agents who are there right now working around the clock. would have put more money into stemming the flow of fentanyl, which is killing americans around our country and devastating communities. more resources into our ability to prosecute transnational criminal organizationings, which in my career, i have prosecuted. donald trump got word of the bill, realized it was going to fix the problem he wanted to run on and told them to kill the bill, don't put it up for a vote. he killed a bill that would have been a solution because he wants to run on a problem. >> now, you don't have to just take her word for it if you don't want to. you could ask one of the architects of the bill she's

talking about there, ultra conservative republican senator james langford, the guy who mouthed the words, that's true when president biden told the same story she did and touted this bipartisan border bill during his state of the union address earlier this year. take a listen to what he said about his own colleagues for bailing on the deal that they wanted back in january. >> it is interesting, republicans four months ago would not give funding for ukraine for israel and for our southern border because we demanded changes in policy, so we actually locked arms together and said we're not going to give you money to this. we want to change the law. and now it's interesting a few months later, they're like, just kidding, i actually don't want to change the law because it's a presidential election year. >> so if you're following along, republicans got almost everything they wanted in this bipartisan bill, president joe biden was going to sign it into law, but then trump got mad, so republicans killed the bill to

help donald trump's presidential campaign. donald trump is now, when he's not busy, peddling dangerous, racist lies about haitian immigrants eating labradoodles or whining about getting impeached. when he's not doing those things, he's hawking $100,000 watches. and a brand new ad ahead of her visit today, watch that. >> kamala harris has never backed down from a challenge she put cartel members and drug traffickers behind bars, and she will secure our border. here's her plan, hire thousands more border agents, enforce the law and step up technology. and stop fentanyl smuggling and human trafficking. we need a leader with a real plan to fix the border. and that's kamala harris. >> i'm kamala harris, and i approve this message.

>> vice president getting herself on offense, on the issue of immigration with a visit to the southern border is where we start today. here with me at the table, cohost of msnbc's "the weekend," alicia menendez is back. also back, the reverend al sharpton, host of "politics nation" and president of the national action network. political columnist and host of the podcast, politic for puck is back as well. that is john heilemann. i thought this was one of the best moments in one of the best state of the union addresses he's had during his presidency. you know, there was a lot of call-in response, there was a lot of president biden sort of owning the republicans, but this participation by this very very conservative republican who said that is true, i thought was a moment that could sort of make a comeback in the campaign, and kamala harris is making sure it does.

>> yeah, and, you know, i'm relatively certain that james langford was not a planned thing when he did that. and, you know, as i'm inclined to do in these situations, i don't know the answer to that question. you know, i've not seen him yet endorse kamala harris, and it would be an incredible thing if he at least on this issue were to speak out and not just mouth words in the senate chamber, and i bet the harris campaign has at least asked to try to make that happen. >> such an interesting point. if you care about these things, the choice is as stark on the issue of immigration as anything. she's for doing a bill with so much republican stuff in it, it's actually difficult for some parts of her coalition. >> indeed. i think what is interesting here is she knows that she has to go in there and get at this attack

that he continues to level against her, that she is not going to be sufficiently strong on the border, so she has to answer that question of strength. and then she needs to show that she has a plan, that she actually has a way of approaching that. some of that proof is already in the pudding in the form of what the biden administration has done just in this past year to increase legal pathways into the united states, which is why we have seen border crossings fall 70% since their peak in december. what they are doing is already working. i would argue, though, that in addition to doing that, in addition to meeting donald trump where he is on this argument about the border that she should go a step further, and embrace the duality of saying we can secure our boarder and we can also protect dreamers, protect daca recipients, keep americans together as president biden and i have been doing. if you are an undocumented

person, married to an american citizen, you can now have an expetited path, in order to be here legally. she can be the candidate who is offering americans both, and that is, to me, the only way she really gets out ahead of donald trump on this issue. >> it's so interesting because her campaign has been very adept at weaving the project 2025 greatest hits into some of their messaging, and some of the most, i mean, i think we did a whole hour over the summer. i think you were there on the project 2025 immigration chapter, with no other news other than we all read it, and thought, oh, my god. >> this is bananas. >> and it's some of the most extreme stuff he's running on in trump 3.0. >> because he let the architect of family separation into some strange test kitchen where he would come up, stephen miller with things that are fundamentally un-american, right?

talking about denaturalizing naturalized american citizens, talking about going into american communities where people sit in the church pew next to you, are part of the fabric of your life, and somehow he's going to rip # 1 million people and in many cases, send them back to a country they may not know the language there, so he there is what he has already done, and there is what he is promising to do. and i think part of the task for the harris campaign is tying those two things together. >> it's another example where she's the one standing with the guys in uniform, in this case, border agents. . >> and i think that's smart because he has tried to miscast her as some far left crazy, and she is not. she was a prosecutor. he is the prosecuted. and i think that people need to be reminded of that all the

time. i think she should do both. she needs to emphasize that is crossings at the border have gone down much further than they were under trump, who she's running against. she needs to also talk about preserving families, and i would add a dimension, she needs to remind them the reason we want to keep families together and the border crossing down is we see them as human beings, unlike my opponent who thinks some immigrants are eating your cats and dogs. his policy is not only not working, he dehumanizes people, who are un-american. i would keep in his face what he has been saying about the people, even the republican governor has denounced about what he said in springfield, ohio. those are immigrants too, and we cannot lose our humanity as americans in order to protect our borders. we can do both at the same time. >> especially in the case of haitians, we are talking about

immigrants in this country illegal through temporary protected status. >> and doing business as well. >> going to church, and going to school. >> exactly. >> i'm sure in trump world, they think this is a are stretch for them, they think, i'm sure, that they distracted from her wiping the floor with him in the debate. i think it's reminded people of what you're talking about, the dehumanization, because you can't be for child separation when you hear, i remember when pro publica broke the audio of child separation. those were things that were divisive among republicans at that time. he's brought all of that back to the floor. >> i think we're all horrified by -- i remember being horrified by that sound also. you know, look, i'm staggered by the fact there's this polling that shows that mass deportation is a major issue in america now. it's incredible. i'm looking at this poll, 54% of americans are in favor of mass

deportation. and it tells you something about the damage that was done to the image that she's contending with now. that vice president harris is contending with now, which is that, you know, the border was out of control for a while in the biden administration, and a lot of people were scared by that, and it was a legitimate issue, and there has been a lot of work that's been done since then to get a handle on that. the residual effects are what she's contending with, contending with the fact that people think the democrats are weak on the issue. on my aspirational side, agrees entirely about trying to do both things. that's in the best interest of america to talk that way. but the thing that a lot of undecided voters, the people that are going to decide the election, they have in their head, the simple thing, democrats are weak on the border. she's got to figure out a variety of ways to make it clear that democrats are stronger than they think, and donald trump is weak on this because he stopped the border bill. you have to be on offense on the issue of strength on this, and

i'm not sure you get a lot of extra votes. to be in favor of trying to keep them together, i'm for that. but the people who are for all of that are mostly people on the side. we're talking about people who are still have heard, have seen trump's inhumane treatment of immigrants, and are out there making sure which way they're going to go. those people are inclined to hear that she will get control of our border i think she has a good case to make on that. that's going to be the case she's making in a strong way. >> and here's what she's making at the convention. here's the sheriff. >> just like when he killed the border bill. he made our jobs harder. kamala on the other hand, has been fighting border crime for years. she's gone down to mexico. and worked to stop the traffickers, and when the traffickers didn't stop, she put them in jail.

down in my neck of the woods, we call that fooling around and finding out. i may be paraphrasing a bit. >> and then let me show you how a democrat ran on that message, and prevailed. >> let's be clear, the border is broken, but this year, when democrats and republicans work together to finally write new border laws, we were blocked. we all know who sabotaged us. we reject the divisiveness. we reject the dysfunction. we reject the deception. my italian grandfather used to toast new couples. he would say marriage sometimes is hard. but in the end [ speaking in global language ] you can't have the roses without the thorns. you have to work for it.

to be a nation of immigrants is hard sometimes too. you have to work for it. tonight, we celebrate the roses of life. we come together from every state. from every ethnicity. from every race and religion. we come together tonight to celebrate our candidate, kamala harris. [ applause ]. >> who knows america is worth it. who those this nation built by immigrants is a rare and beautiful thing. and who joyfully accepts the channel to work across party lines to secure our border, to treat people like human beings, and to move our country forward. >> now, to be honest, he had more time than she does. your point, i think is that if david plouffe is sitting there

and has to make some decisions, you cut the ad with the sheriff and make that point. >> your instinct about this, that's the way they're thinking about this. this is not, at this point, they had a lot of votes that they persuaded a lot of people who were going to vote for her. most of the people were going to be persuaded, let's call it the liberal side of the debate are already going for her. i have to always keep thinking about this in this short period of time we have now, what's the undecided vote, who are the 5% in battleground states, who after all of this are in a place they haven't decided yet. more likely those are going to be people who the ad with the sheriff, how she stands with law enforcement, she has helped us secure the border and will be a tough law enforcement -- tough law enforcement from when he was attorney general in california. that's an image that's more likely to be persuasive with the votes they need that are still available. >> maybe the counter argument, which is, i have yet to see, and this is worth polling and focus grouping, i have yet to see any polling that would suggest that for that crowd, if you go

forward with the border security argument, and then layer on the compassion argument that it somehow inoculates the first of those arguments, and as you know, better than most, with those undecided voters, they're not deciding between trump and harris, they're deciding whether they feel sufficiently motivated to vote. his past cruelty and promised future cruelty does motivate a subset. >> his present cruelty. >> that would be my only asterisk to that analysis. >> first of all, i'm not giving advice to the campaign. i'm telling you how i think they see it. what you're going to spend money on advertising in arizona, you're going to spend money on advertising with border security and not on the other side of it. you could make that argument rhetorically, where the stress is what this is. what are you leaning into and away from. their perception is the mace they can get the votes is

especially in those states where she's not doing as well. arizona, nevada, which is where this issue cuts, they need to lean into the strong border side, rather than the other side. you can do both, and should do both. these are not mutually exclusive arguments. >> i think that you can and should do both, even though you may be correct, in arizona, with the hard liners, other states like that, it may not help you, but in some of the battleground states, it will help you. because a lot of people are very much concerned about the cruelty to people, particularly children and families. so i think it balances itself out. i think that she's right. you ought to use both arguments at the same time. we cannot see any gain, in my opinion, with them trying to imitate that they're just as bad as the opponent, as trump. i'm just as big and bad and cold, and i'm going to be the bad cop, just like trump without

dealing with but i'm also going to deal with the sensitivity of the humanity we're dealing with. >> i don't think anybody is suggests she's -- the arguments about trump's cruelty, they're going to make those arguments. they have done it on the springfield stuff going forward. i don't think anybody thinks that she should try to pretend to be donald trump. there's no up side to that. but again, to the point of the whole langford thing, what's that about? he's weak on this. we have made a border bill -- we have a border bill that would have done what you all want to have done, and he killed it for political reasons. that shows his weakness. he's not going to secure the border, and that's a very powerful argument. >> it's entirely true. >> the thing about immigration, republicans grip on the lie is stronger that democrats on the truth. the republican grip on the lie is tighter than the democrats

grip on the truth, more people believe the lie than believe the truth. what the campaign is probably sifting through is how the people that believe the lie can we just let go. and how many people who belief the lie, whether it's immigration or crime are gettable. i'm not going to vote for trump, but i'm not sure i'm comfortable. giving them the permission structure, not only is the lie a lie but she's better on this. we have to sneak in a break, so much more to come on this topic. vice president kamala harris is, i think, wheels down in arizona. the republican mayor of maricopa county, the town of mesa knows firsthand why another trump presidency would not do any of the things he's telling his voters they would do. why it would not be in the interest of people there. the cochair of arizona republicans for harris will join us ahead. >> and later in the broadcast, another example of j.d. vance's hypocrisy, what we're learning about his recent distaste for donald trump's policies coming out of the trump white house.

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give me 23 minutes, and i'll actually get to the point i'm trying to make. that's why they gave me two hours. . >> it's friday, nicolle. the idea that what a candidate for president has to do in the final 39 days is deal with lies

that are so calcified on the right is a sad commentary about our politics but shows you how much distance she's traveled in the time that she has been the nominee. she's chipping away at these calcified lies about immigration and crime is attached to it in the republican sort of the maga universe. we're saying she's looking for, like, thousands of people whose minds to open up and change. to your point about micro messaging that, it is seeing that the people in uniforms in charge of enforcing the laws choose her. >> yeah, i mean, this is the stage of the campaign we're in now, and especially in a very polarized, deeply baked in election. there's just not, you're talking about millions ofl campaign. you are now talking about very very, you know, an increasingly small subset of voters and trying to identify them, almost house by house. how do i get that woman, that

man, that person, and, you know, the demographic, obviously you want to be consistent with your values, and with the policies you put forward. but these are all questions of emphasis, and there's a ton of money to be spent, and the amount of money that's going to be spent in the next five weeks to try to reach numbers of voters who are in many cases, considerably less than people who watch not well rated television shows is kind of amazing. this is where we're at, right? the rest of these voters are not moving. not going to be giant sways going forward. these are questions of emphasis and investment. >> you think about targeting. i was going to say, sometimes you're looking at not even everybody in the household. sometimes you're looking at just the mom or just the dad or just the kids. just the gen z kids who are, you know, open to her messages? >> you made a great point about security and the fact that she's trying to align herself with men and women in uniform across all

of these conversations, the fact that part of her plan is saying, we do need more investment so that there can be more border agents, so that these folks can do the job we are asking them to do. that squarely puts her on their side. i also think part of this lie that trump and republicans have constructed is that the responsibility and the illegality lies with the individual and i think if you look at her frame and what she's saying about the fact that she's gone after transnational gangs. we have a bigger criminal enterprise we need to focus on, and the united states government and law enforcement units continue to do something about it. one advocate said it's nobody's dream to give a coyote $1,500, their life savings to bring them to the united states. they would like a pathway to be able to do this in a lawful and timely way, and if the united states can provide that, then you actually take power away

from some of these transnational gangs. keep the emphasis on that. >> which brings her back to her sort of origin story, right? a lot of the really important work, i think, in the campaign's view of the convention, was, i think, people may have known she was a prosecutor. they didn't know who she went after. she went after these people. >> that is important because she can say that we're dealing with these drug traffickers, and i have done that. i have a record in california where they tried to distort it. this is who i went after, this is who i prosecuted. i would even show some of the cases. and i tried at the same time to do criminal justice reform, but i went after these guys that are the ones that are driving these people to want to come across the border in the first place. you must have a humane, but strong policy at the border, but you have to also deal with what is driving them to the border, and that i have a unique

experience in that area, much more than somebody that's convicted of 34 felonies and in many ways, has looked the other way, with drug lords and auto crats. >> and this idea that america can go it alone. if you want to get to the root causes, america needs to make investments in countries of origins. as much as there are pull factors, there are push factors . >> this is something she tried to work on. >> this is not something that creates results overnight. it's part of the portfolio. >> you think about any night over the last nine years, 12 years, turn on fox news, and there's an immigration special. there's a show about sort of hyping up and dehumanizing and blaming the individuals and blaming the biden/harris administration, before that, the

obama, this has opinion such a boogie man for republicans for so long. this question is such an interesting one to put before voters in the cycle to see how many people are open to changing their mind. >> yeah, and look, i mean, it's complicated in so many ways. this is one of the problems of having a border security problem. if you have a secure border, for millions of reasons why this helps democrats, you have an actual secure border, you can diffuse arguments, in a lot of cases, it's an argument fox news is making. it's a coded way of talking about race. the haitian immigrants, mexican immigrants, whatever it is. it's a way to, in a more socially acceptable way, venture racism, and the answer to that is to kind of decode these things and talk about them. for a political party, have a secure border. if you have a secure border and

an orderly system where you're doing the things you want to do aspirationally, letting people have a legal process to get in, and turn and go are borders secure, just diffuses the argument and doesn't let them go to the places they want to go, which is be afraid of brown people. >> let's remember, he entered politics on birtherism. it's always been us against them, and that has been his political philosophy, all the way until now. and i think that part of what he's trying to do with kamala harris is say she's one of them, it's us against them. i'm the last salvation to save white males. that's his campaign. >> he'll be accusing her of eating has been ra -- labradoodles, soon enough. >> they are people that in trump's view nail it when it comes to the border. thank you for being here. thank you so much.

john and the rev stick around. ahead for us, one of the most important voting blocs, that could give vice president harris a victory in november could come from within donald trump's own party. one of those republicans leading the charge to get those voters, mesa, arizona, mayor, john gillies joins us next. stay with us. ins us next. stay with us it's still not under control. but now i have rinvoq. a once-daily pill that reduces the itch and helps clear the rash of eczema —fast. some taking rinvoq felt significant itch relief as early as 2 days— and some achieved dramatic skin clearance as early as 2 weeks. many saw clear or almost-clear skin. plus, many had clearer skin and less itch, even at 3 years. rinvoq can lower your ability to fight infections, including tb. serious infections and blood clots, some fatal, cancers including lymphoma and skin, heart attack, stroke, and gi tears occurred. people 50 and older with a heart disease risk factor have an increased risk of death.

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harris and governor walz will need to. i have an urgent message for the majority of americans who, like me, are in the political middle. john mccain's republican party is gone, and we don't owe a damn thing to what's been left behind. [ applause ]. >> that was mesa, arizona, mayor, john giles putting voice to that feeling that many in his party who haven't had their backbone and conscientious stolen from them by the maga movement, usually shared behind closed doors. giles was one of the first prominent elected republicans to back vice president harris for president. many have followed in his foot steps. 39 days out from election day, it's clear that the path to victory for kamala harris is dependent on bringing independents and republicans like giles into that coalition. joining us now, cochair of arizona republicans for harris, the mayor of the city of mesa,

arizona, john giles. thank you so much for being here. >> good to be with you. >> i love this part of the speech that what has been left behind is something that republicans don't owe anything to. it is less than. it is the dregs of what was once the republican party. and i wonder if you find that persuasive? >> well, it's accurate, and for people who approach the issue in good faith, i think that they recognize that that's clearly the case. you know, i have been a republican my whole life, and there was always a far right component to that party, and i would go to republican meetings and sometimes feel out of place because the far right always had a loud voice in the republican party, but things have changed. that element has taken over the party, and two years ago, people like kari lake literally were telling mccain supporters to get

the hell out of the party. so the tent has really shrunk in the republican party, and it's now at the point where we don't have two healthy parties in our country any longer. i think it's important for people like me to actually stay in the party and point that out, and to argue that we need to be more inclusive, and we need to not be dominated by the maga voices that are so loud in our party. >> and you are now aligned with the democratic ticket whose ideological sort of diversity spans from folks like yourself to dick and liz cheney, all the way through to bernie sanders and congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez. what is it about sort of presenting this almost this coalition government of people that just want to solve problems, not from the right or left, it's particularly effective in a state like arizona? >> well, most republicans that i have conversations with, the

conversation begins with them conceding that they don't like donald trump, that they're offended by his lack of commitment to the rule of law and to the constitution. it is a bit of a stretch to get lifelong republicans like myself to move all the way across that bridge to get to voting for a democrat. partly because, as you described, it's a very broad coalition, and there are people like bernie sanders and others that they think, well, i can't be on the same political side as those folks. so the challenge for people like me is to point out that the vice president harris has learned the lessons that the governance comes from the middle, and problem solving comes for the middle. i was the mayor of this large city during the trump administration, and we got zero help from the trump administration. a lot of promises but nothing really happened. contrast that with the vice president's involvement until the biden administration, we've had huge infrastructure

investments, the chip manufacturing has become a huge part of our economy. a lot of good things have happened, and that's because the vice president and the biden administration demonstrated that they are willing to work with republicans, and the bipartisanship will be a part of her administration. >> arizona was so important, is so important, and i wonder, with 39 days to go, who you'd like to see in the state, i mean, is someone like mark cuban an effective surrogate. is it vice president harris herself coming back, is it tim walz, liz cheney, i mean, who closes the deal for harris in arizona in president days? >> it's got to be an all hands on deck approach. all of those names are important. i think particularly the vice president needs to be here pause people need to become familiar with her. that seems to be a reoccurring theme is they know they don't like donald trump. they're either going to not vote for donald trump.

they're not going to vote or they're going to have to vote for him holding their nose. so i think the vice president needs to be in states like arizona. the more exposure she has, the more people hear her describe what her platform is, i think they're going to be more familiar with her. and also people like senator walz, you know, i wish he could just rent an apartment in our city, but he's got the charisma, he's very relatable. so arizona is gettable. we are really on a razor's edge here. we could go either direction, but i think a little bit more attention from the campaign would be a wise investment in arizona. >> and is it this issue that she's focused on today? is it the economy, what's your counsel in terms of where her emphasis should be on an issue front? >> those are exactly the two. i would say economy first, and border is not a distant second. there's a lot of folks in

arizona that have been, you know, listening to the propaganda coming out of the trump campaign. as your earlier segment noted, it's just blatantly false, so i think the more light that can be shown on this issue in arizona, we have been on the receiving end in a very big way of positive things in the economy, i mean, we do have housing challenges hear for sure, but there's been substantial federal investment in infrastructure here as a result of the biden/harris administration, so she's got a great story to tell about the economy here in arizona. >> i wonder, too, skiff to go, my last question is about military endorsements. there was a big one from general stanley mcchrystal, and i know it's a place that cared a lot, and the connection to john mccain was about his decades of service to the country and to the military. are those the kind of voices that help her close the deal in the next 39 days as well? >> i think that's a very

powerful for republicans because that's one of the ways we can really contrast. i love telling people that i think kamala harris is a better republican than donald trump. and we talk about things like national defense and so the more credible voices like those generals coming out and pointing out that donald trump is an absolute pop list and doesn't have any allegiance to principles that republicans hold dear would be very useful. >> all right. i love getting to talk about arizona to someone who reveres john mccain, it's a pleasure to talk to you, mayor, thank you very much. >> my pleasure, thank you. just ahead for us, what's next for new york city mayor, eric adams, and more importantly, perhaps, what's next for new york city? stay with us. ty stay with us

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that, and i think he's, you know, he's obviously decided the hand he's going to try to play here, which is, you know, to try to wage the law fare argument against the biden administration's justice department is, a, i think probably just on the merits a bad argument, but also one that's not going to further his cause very well in the democratic party, which has always been a little tenuous for a variety of reasons. in the end, we're in the courts now, and the indictment is brutal. i've seen weak indictments against mayors, this is not a weak indictment. that's what we're looking at and the politics of it is going to play out the way it's going to play out. it's not great for the democratic party. >> rev, you know everyone involved and everyone who will become involved, they all call you and ask for advice. can you tell us what your thoughts are? >> i've talked to the mayor, and i've talked to some of those involved. i've known the mayor, eric adams, for 35 years.

i've never seen him at all act as though he would do anything criminal, but he now is indicted. he's going to have to stand trial. i do not think the governor should force him out. i do think that if he sees that he can not run the city, then he should decide to step aside. i don't like the precedent of just because someone was indicted that you move them out because there have been many public officials indicted that we waited until they had due process before we axed them out. if you can't run the city, that's another issue. i also have said to the mayor that i'm going to wait and see what happens at trial, but we should should not continue to hear people saying, well, this is a weaponized move against me because of immigration. i don't believe that either. just like i do not believe the

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generally when politicians are put in legal jeopardy, one thing that you want -- the court is the courtroom. the facts are going to speak. you don't lash out in a way that will alienate every ally that you have. that is not generally a wise strategy. >> how will you know or how will he know whether or not the city can function? there are a lot of people close to him that are sweating. >> we said that many of us in terms of black civic and political and labor leadership is go to meet sometime next week. a lot of us are going to discuss that. it will be his decision. we want to come, some of us, and we want to come and see where we are. i can say that for me i don't think the governor off to make that move. that should be left to have his due process. i talked to the governor.

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you know senator, this is an evolution. i know you have been asked about this before, about the past comments you have made about donald trump. you said i am a never trump guy. never liked him. terrible candidate if you voted for him. he might be america's hitler, cynical a-hole, noxious, reprehensible. those are things that will be put in ads should you be chosen as the vp pick? >> i think the simple answer is you have to respect the american

people enough. i didn't think he would be a good president, and he is was a great president. when you are wrong about something, change your mind and be honest with people about that fact. >> or at least lie about honest when you were lying to them. hi. it is 5:00 in new york. that is how the jd vance story goes, at least by jd vance's telling. sure. he once suggested donald trump wasn't just bad or offensive or dangerous. he called him america's hitler. noxious, it goes on and on and on. but once he witnessed trump's good works as president, whatever they were, he was smitten. born again, transformed. jd vance was a changed man. so much so he is now the disgraced ex-president's running mate, number two to the guy he called america's hitler. free to dispense the advice you

heard, when you are wrong about something you should change your mind and be honest about the american people about that fact. it may or may not surprise you to discover it does not appear jd vance was honest about his personal journey story as it relates to donald trump. previously unreported messages obtained by the "washington post" showed jd vance's doubts extended even as his first term was nearly at an end. in february 2020 in the direct messages sent to an acquaintens over the social media platform then known as twitter, vance harshly criticized his future running mate. he said trump hasn't fulfilled his economic agenda. trump has thoroughly failed to deliver on his economic populism, accepting a disjointed china policy vance wrote in

february 2020. he offered a prediction. joe biden he believed would win the 2020 election. i think trump will probably lose he wrote in 2020. that was a few months before ballots were cast in an election vance would claim was stolen by the democrats. in a response to msnbc news a jd vance spokesman said the trump economy was one of the strongest and most successful periods of american history. there is no comparison between president trump's record of unprecedented success and kamala harris' record of abject failure, rising prices, blah, blah, blah. no mention of vance's evaluation. bettors be dammed, he is on the

ticket anyway. of course he is there because mike pence isn't. trump sent his supporters to hang mike pence for refusing to disrupt america's tradition of a peaceful transfer of power. jd vance, a man that can't figure out when he started to like donald trump is there instead. that is where we start the hour with our most favorite experts and friends. ruth is back with us at the table. a former national security advisor under president obama. ruth, there is something tim snider helped me to understand. that is that we have covered lies in politics as a crime for which politicians get caught and the campaigns that were caught would smart from that. they would recoil. they would try to correct them. it used to be damaging.

what trump ushered in is a chest-out approach to lies and liars. this wink and a nod to their own base that they know that we know they know they are lying but nobody cares because that is the grift. jd vance takes it to a new level with his hatred articulated by jd vance for donald trump up through the 2016 campaign and through the first term to now right on the ticket. >> yeah. absolutely. vance has got a lot of qualities of authoritarian politicians. they are entirely transactional. they will say whatever they need to say to be where the winds of power are blowing. by the way, you know, he and trump are quite a pair. many politicians who are not quite so transactional might not have chosen someone as their

running mate after they said all of the horrible things. trump doesn't care because vance had, you know, money and backing and other important things that trump judged more interesting to him. but you know, vance is part of the campaign to destroy the meaning of truth. i think he learned a lot from donald trump. that is why he has been saying recently even if haitian immigrants are there legally i am just going to keep saying they are illegal. truth doesn't matter. what matters is being believed by the base. 2016 trump said trump was cultural heroin. now he is a same mix racism,

inciing violence against immigrants. that is now his brand. >> what do you do about it, ruth? what? >> i think an appeal to decency. in the vis presidential debate somebody like tim walz who stands for truth and principles can really go with that. i think even though there is the wink-wink, and a lot of people -- there were studies that came out after 2016 that some people actually liked the idea that trump was lying because he was pushing the truth. sticking it to the establishment. but after a while that can grow old. i think that pointing out, even though it is exhausting and

continuing to point out the lies and the bad faith towards americans of knowing like the haitian immigrant comments. knowing you are lying and say i am going to keep lying and boast about lying. that is not going to fly with everybody. we need to advertised that bad faith for the americans. >> yeah. it seems like jd vance goes to 10 and decides our ears don't hurt enough and turns it up to 12. feels like trumpism operates in this understanding it is not as loud as you think it is, but that is if you keep it at 10. i wonder if harris wins and wins resoundingly if it will be this vance pick that turned trumpism to 12, just a bridge too far. i feel like trump's lies were in trump's view and trump's truth at the moment. vance takes it to cnn to say i

created that to make you cover it. i wonder if vance is too transparent in terms of what they are doing, intentionally lie, stoke racism, stoke divide and to steal an election. >> ruth's point about learning really struck me. you can see vance going through the motions of donald trump has taken it to one place. we are going to put out this guy that is going to be more extreme than i am. if we lose we know what our boundary is. if we win, we know how far that we can take it. the concern that i have always had, you know, and i do sincerely hope that kamala harris wins. the concern i have always had is that trump energy does not go away. high school chemistry, energy is never created or destroyed. the jd vances of the world are

going to be out there. assuming he is sincere about what he is saying today. just say that he is. he goes out and he tries to lead something after the election. there are going to be people that want to do that. they are go to find all of the folks that are out there. if donald trump does not win they are going to be upset, concerned and try to figure out where to go next. you know, to another point that ruth made, i don't have a pop culture reference for this. i think of clockwork orange. the main character has his eyes propped open and is being forced to watch something until he learns a certain kind of behavior. that is what i think the trump folks are trying to do to us. we are going to force you to watch this until you learn and act in the ways that we want to have you think and behave. whoever he can capture in the moment, he is going to send out to do his bidding. the rest of us are going to have to appeal to folks' decency or

self interest in the moment. >> for me jd vance is part of the story that has gutted me for ten years. he was another off ramp. he believes women should stay in violent marriages. why didn't susan collins and -- he described trump as america's hitler. why wasn't he the bridge too far? he illustrates how successfully trump is boiling the frog. >> he does. he illustrates, and i will take another analogy from high school science. you know, the republican party under trump is this black hole that sucks people in. right. they identified their voters. if you wanted to stretch history back, it is all the way back to the pat buchanan populism, the culture war of the 90s

underneath the surface of the republican party, and trump reflected the final takeover by the populous authoritarian force, and it is so powerful now in terms of its gravitational pull on republican politicians that you either jump in, you know, all of the way like jd vance has done, or you know if you are like mitch mcconnell you feel like that is too strong of a force for me to do anything to resist it. we are going to have a test case here if kamala harris wins. does that continue to be the force that is driving the republican party? i thought it was interesting, another guy that tried this out is ron desantis, and it didn't sell. he doesn't have trump's charisma. he is not funny or a likeable person. hopeful that he took the anti-woke message on the road and nobody responded to it. a jd vance and josh hawley and tom cotton. this is a new brand of

republican politician. i think trump picking vance really was saying that, you know, these are the people i see as the future of the party. i think if he loses they have the inside lane frankly for the next era of the republican party. >> trump is america's hitler? vance is trump's number two? >> right now, you know, trump is america's dictator. that is what the project is. that is the only thing that it has been about. it is not like donald trump cares about the health of the party, the local and the state level. he has backed candidates who were bad for the health of the republican party. i think that absent trump it is just a bunch of anger and populism and lies without the force that trump is. >> it is like the flip flop on that. it is not even the lies. the thing of trump, there is the continuity of racism, the

discrimination suits against the justice department, the exonerated five of rapists and murderers. for jd vance, he said worse things about donald trump than any of the four of us ever have on this program. what is that? >> that is somebody whose own ambition was the most powerful force in his life. that is the obvious thing. to the point that ruth made about calling it out. i think the second part of the message has to be that he does not care about you. he only cares about himself. and this has to be i think the closing message. kamala harris has done it well. in the debate she did it. essentially yes it is about the lies and the hate and the racism. it is also about the fact that jd vance only cares about himself. he tells you that he cares about you. he doesn't. someone that is willing to re-invent themselves and change their believes to get ahead is not someone that will look out

for you. >> it is hard to have conversation about broken people in our politics. hurt people hurt. jamie lee curtis said that. hurt people hurt. and tim ryan came the close toast saying it. i said why do you think he is like this. he said there has to be something in the trauma that makes him crave control. jd vance is more than a profile in policies that hurt people and control. if he were outside of politics you would look at him as someone so completely broken in his private messages he disparages donald trump. called him cultural heroin, america's hitler. i never had a guest in nine years call trump america's hitler. >> that is absolutely right. you are right using the term

broken. it is not to put a steel post in your back and chest out, broad and out, and give you a sense of pride. it is to familiaritily break you. i think that has to be part of the message to the american people. that is his sole intention. you made a point about the black hole sucking people in. politics is not stagnant. it is movement. you know, i think that there are people that sometimes believe if we just wait this out that it will go away. that is absolutely not going to happen. it has to be something that we actively do and engage every day to try to force this individual and his movement out of our policies. that is why i keep going back. if it is not appealing to

decency it is appealing to self interest. that is one thing that will move people to push out. >> i think we are so cautious about keeping our political conversations political. our politics are now completely dominated by the most damaged human being to ever be in our politics. the problem is that jd vance is on the ticket because donald trump sought to have mike pence hung. i feel like as an adaptive measure it should be front of mind that the only reason tim walz will debate jd vance and not mike pence is because mike pence is the vice president in the history of the american experiment not to back his running mate. >> the partisan brain is a political brain. you don't want to feel like we did something well. we want to feel good. what donald trump does is find the path to making his supporters feel good about their

choices. if i had an ounce of shame, you know, i would say i am not going to go down there on january 6th. that is not the right thing to do. that is not what he tells and encourages his people to do. he breaks them. they feel there is no shame at all. they feel good in their. >> what to expect in next week's vice presidential debate when tim walz faces off against the man of the hour, jd vance. we need to get ready what he calls an exercise in dishonesty from the ohio senator. congressman jamie raskin is going to be here. sounding the alarm against global autocrats. and the latest example of grift

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witchcraft. a town hall with lance wall now who said after this month's presidential debate that vice president kamala harris used witchcraft. a texas based celebrity evangelist is a self described prophet. how nice. he coined and popularized the seven mountains mandate, an increasingly popular belief that says conservative christians are called to occupy business, education, media and government. let me show you a little bit of him attacking vice president harris, calling her jezebel. >> what you are seeing now is a real jezebel. you are going to see a lot of people saying that. like pen costal 101. you have somebody with manipulation, intimidation and domination, especially in a

female role trying to emasculate a man standing up for truth you are dealing with a jezebel spirit. >> i guess he is right that she dominated and emasculated donald trump, but i guess that is because she is so much better at debating and everything else than he is. what do you make? >> blaming your devastating debate loss on witchcraft has to be the most elaborate form of cope i have ever seen. there is that. whatever makes you feel better i guess. clearly he and jd vance are aligned on the fact they don't like women. particularly women in any power. at least they have alignment there based on the comments about jezebels. there is an alarming element to this too. this is a common thing. it is the mocking and the scary living together, the ridiculous and the scary living together.

the seven mountains mandate is something me and my colleagues have been covering for a while now. it has exploded in popularity. this view that basically maga americans are destined or ordained by god to take power in this country. the guy having the campaign event is one of the leaders of the tour that was kind of like -- steve bannon was doing the secular stuff around the country last time after 2020 election. that was overlapping at times with this religious directly religious christian nationalist, trump christian nationalist tour. i think it had an impact on why there were so many people that were ready to attack on january 6. i don't want to let anybody off of the hook for their own actions, but if you were told over and over again that god has

ordained that donald trump is going to save the country and that he is meant to save the country and that everything that you hold dear is going to be taken away from you if he loses. there is a shadowy nefarious force out there that stole it and undermined god's will, it is not irrational to take that back. the person that jd vance is with is a key part of that. i think that it speaks to what we might expect after this election in 2024 if trump and vance are to lose, and i also think it speaks to the types of people that jd vance and donald trump, the types of people that will be around them if they were to win. >> ruth, it comes back to the inadequacy of all of our political frames for having these discussions. radicalized and the integration of our politics. it is something farther to the

right. farther inside the faith-based orbit that is really detached from reality. what is the best way to counter that? >> i mean you can call it out as authoritarian easily. i have a whole discussion in my book "strong men" about all of the leaders. they tend to be the most depraved, corrupt individuals starting with mussolini who partnered with religious institutions and in return whatever the faith tradition is because it happened with qaddafi and muslims. they are the man that is there by the will of god. this is not new. you had orthodox jews and e vangelicals saying it about trump the first time. now there is this new

reformation that is all about prophecy and spiritual warfare under the guise of spiritual warfare is ready to do anything it takes, including inciting violence as part of holy war fare to get the person that god wants in the office. in authoritarian history that is why it recurs, that the depraved individuals are exhalted. it is god's will no matter the cost. that is what is scary about this. >> how do they find the guy that likes porn stars and commits crimes and sells, you know, gold watches for $100,000? why trump? >> he reached out to them.

he has given them a lot. he has given them validation, just like orthodox jews. he moved the embassy. it is the concept of the authoritarian bargain. putin has it with the russian orthodox church. the more corrupt and violent they become, the more they move to be surrounded with an aura of holiness. it is a deal. each one gets something in return. trump had entrees to them. he is a superb marketer. they have only gained in stature, and they have gotten a lot from trump. the white christian nationalists have gotten a huge amount. they are not dumb and neither is trump. it is these authoritarian bargains and it can be durable. once you sign on, like with putin who is now doing his genocidal war in ukraine. the church hasn't abandoned them.

they stick there no matter what is said and done and end up losing all of their morale legitimacy after they back an autocrat. >> so sad. they also get steaks and water and watches and gift bag stuff because it is trump. ruth, thank you so much for starting us off this hour. when we come back jamie raskin is here sounding the alarm about trump's affinity for dictators. he will be our guest next. tators he will be our guest next. i't in looking good. like when you wear florence by mills frames created by millie bobby brown, only at america's best. talk about a big deal. get two pairs of florence by mills frames for $119.95, exclusively at america's best. life, diabetes, there's no slowing down.

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i think i get along very well with vladimir putin. >> i got a very beautiful letter from -- >> it is good to have a good relationship with putin and kim jong un i have a good relationship with. he is a good smart guy. >> so much love from donald trump for the world's dictators. it goes all the way back from before he was president and throughout his presidency. he admires dictators and their methods and their tactics so much that in the third run for president he has vowed to be there, a dictator on day one if

the american people send him back to the white house. the prospect of a trump dictatorship made more possible by the u.s. supreme court's ruling on presidential immunity prompted a bipartisan coalition led by jamie raskin to sign a no dictators declaration to combat any possible abuses of power by a president. here is what congressman raskin had to say about the ex-president's love for the world's most brutal leaders. >> all of the dictators of the world have something in common in 2024. donald trump. he loves them all and they love him back. he loves them. he envies their total control over society, and they love him because they know they can manipulate and can control him. >> congressman jamie raskin is our guest. thank you so much for being here. >> you bet. it is my pleasure. >> tell us what this warning is?

it feels like 2016 donald trump didn't want any one of us to think that putin helped him. but 2024 donald trump won't even say he would like ukraine to win a war against russia. he feels more dictatory if that is a word. >> yeah. i think that all of his ambitions have been unleashed. we are getting donald trump unplugged. obviously i am out organizing to defeated him. i have been to 26 states. we also have to prepare the legal infrastructure of the united states to stop a president, that president or any president from becoming a dictator. >> we say any president, but after the supreme court's immunity ruling, nobody was worried about anything president joe biden would do. when it seems to be a special threat only with someone like donald trump or donald trump

himself. how do you trump-proof the presidency with the supreme court's immunity ruling on the books? >> yeah. he created this neo-monarchal supreme court. what we need to do is to strip the power of the president to declare bogus emergencies in the country. two, we have to take away the president's power in insurrection act to use the military of the u.s. against the people. we have to prevent the president from having any power or declaring or usurping any power to impose personal or partisan or loyalty tests that would suplant the constitutional oath of office. we have to do whatever we can to nullify his gerrymandered

supreme court's ruling about immunity. finally we have to make sure that he does not convert the department of justice or any federal department into an instrument of personal and political vendetta against his perceived political enemies. >> how much of the agenda can be done in the next 39 days? >> none of it under the control of mike johnson and the trump sycophants that fill the ranks of the maga republicans. we want people to pledge to do it now. we know mike johnson won't want to put it on the agenda, at least at this point. we can try to build up the pressure to make it happen. it is something that we need to do going forward. the trump period is one we have become alerted to weaknesses in the constitutional regime. things we thought were binding

norms for the country have been exploded by donald trump. we have to take our responsibilities as guardians of the constitution seriously. >> one of the witnesses you had a chance to talk to as a member of the january 6th is the former joint chief. he would have a special insight into what someone like trump would do with the awesome powers you just named. have you personally appealed to him to make his political preference known in the election even though it is something he is not comfortable doing? >> no. i have not made a personal appeal to him. but generally i have been encouraging everyone who understands the magnitude and the ferocity of the threat against american constitutional government to come out and to support kamala harris. i do think that liz cheney and her father, dick cheney have demonstrated the way to think about this. this is an election about what

kind of a government we are going to have. we can fight about energy and about the environment and so on. this is really an election where everybody defending democracy is on the same side. conservatives who want to conserve the constitution and the bill of rights as well as the land, the air, the water, the climate system, medicare, medicaid and so on have got to be with liberals in this campaign. i hope that the judge will make the right decision. i believe she will. she understands the control and the legal principles here and she will lead us read exactly what jack smith is saying about what he has learned about the criminal plot to try top overthrow the 2020 election which joe biden of course had won by 7 million votes. you have trump's lawyers running around saying it might affect

the election, but that is legally irrelevant. if you can't do the time, don't do the time. if you think it might affect the election, don't commit an insurrection. you have to be subject to the law like everybody else. that is what is at stake in the legal system, even as trump's hand-picked justices are doing everything in their power to overturn two centuries of understanding that nobody is above the law in america. >> having investigated every facet of january 6, what is your degree of concern heading into another election day? >> well, for january 6 itself i feel much better than i would have back then. obviously we have president biden in offense. now president trump, meaning the national guard will be under the control of president biden and not under the control of

president trump who sat on his hands all afternoon or watching it on tv eating hamburgers and french fries as our officers were bloodied and wounded and hospitalized. there was an attempt to overthrow the government. he watched it on tv and cheered them on with a bunch of tweets like mike pence didn't have the courage to do what needed to be done. we will have the federal government on our side. nonscaleable fencing being put in. we are going to have the security precautions in place. we cleaned up the confines of the electoral college to make it more difficult to do what they did. i am not worried about a violent crisis leading up to january 6, but leading up to it. it begins at the precinct, county and the state levels. that is where the republicans

are going crazy. they already brought over 100 fraudulent lawsuits trying to get up to the supreme court. that is his dream that his hand-picked justices would be able to make him president. >> i would love to have you back in order to play that out. i know -- i would love to inform our viewers about what we are doing to protect the country against that. congressman, always a pleasure. thank you so much. our deadline legal newsletter is gearing up for a busy season around the election. follow the qr code on your screen right now. when we come back, from fake diplomas to wine, steak, sneakers and bibles. there is more. there is more. his latest grift is next. more. his latest grift is next

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venture would be this. the republican nominee for the president of united states of america announced he is launching a line of watches, including one that sells for $100,000. in trump math, the price of ten of the contempt of court fines in his new york hush money case. to be clear this is the latest of many, many, many efforts to monetize trump's cult-like devotion from his followers and his political base for his personal profit. trump sneakers retailing for $399. trump coins which he calls a true symbol of american greatness. trump digital trading cards with images of trump that can only be described as wishful thinking. trump's forray into crypto, world liberty financial which he announced with the rousing

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watch for $100,000? >> yeah. i think this one is more funny, the funny side. the coin, i hadn't taken a good look at it. he kind of looks like fat elvis on that coin which is telling. he has a fat elvis face. look, it's, the hopeful thing is it feel a little like a going out of business sale. i'm going to squeeze every cent out of these people in case it goes down. the only thing i'll steal from my colleague, a watch expert and wrote the deepest article on this today. a rolex submariner. i'm not a watch man. a rolex submariner is ten times more quality and it only costs $40,000. this trump watch, you can't even get wet. you might not want to bring it on your boat parade.

>> the sneakers first came out, everyone was calling them treason ones which i thought was great. you can laugh at that. the catholic school kid in me looks at the iconography of this. the gold and the coins. and you just think about him eventually selling the hem of his garments. he's trying to get people to way their way to salvation and absolution. >> it's dominos behind him. everything fails and we're on to the next grift. i think the trump cologne, what does that smell like? we'll do a little field work. there is a jared kushner story recently. the $2 billion he got from saudi arabia. surprise, they made no profits, no returns. the question is, what is for

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