taking action against all of the kind of bad things that are said on social media and bad things that are done in the world. but i think the important thing here is that we can't blame the kids. and i think that, here we see it from the kids' point of view, and it's a very nonjudgmental point of view. and i think we can't expect kids to self-regulate. we need regulation, we need, you know, tech companies to take action. >> that's all the time we have for this weekend. thanks for watching. we will see you right here tomorrow morning bright and early at 6:00 a.m. for a new week of morning joe. until then, enjoy the rest of your weekend. the rest of your weekend.

good morning. it is sunday, september 29th. yes, the gang is all here. counting down to the vp debate in just two days. tim walz and jd vance face off for the first and only time. massachusetts governor maura healey joins our conversation. donald trump's self- proclaimed dark vision for america taken to a new low last night. plan to flip the state blue for the first time in almost 20 years. grab your coffee, settle in. welcome to the weekend. just 37 days until election day and vice president harris is heading back to nevada. the state's six electoral votes could be make or break in a tight election. the campaign just announced that harris will host a rally

tonight in las vegas. this is her second visit to the city since she launched her campaign for president. then after tuesday's vp debate, marchs are and governor walz will take their bus tour back to pennsylvania on wednesday. on friday the vice president will visit flint, michigan. breaking just moments ago. former republican senator from arizona jeff flake just announced he's endorsing kamala harris for president. joining us now is harris-walz battleground states director dan. this is news. breaking news. >> absolutely. good stuff. dan, let's get into this breaking news and the combination of the campaign now moving through these battleground states. the vice president's going to be in nevada. you have someone like jeff flake coming out. another republican for kamala harris. welcome. what's your take?

how do you feel about this battleground strategy for the campaign right now? the play last week in pennsylvania and elsewhere. how do you assess where you are at this point with what 39 days or so left? >> 37, michael. we're counting. we are count because we have work to do. it's a really close race. it has been this entire time. you heard me talk about this a couple times in august when we discussed a battleground strategy then. it remains the same. we know that arizona and michigan and pennsylvania all of the states are going to be very close. they've been tossups in elections. when it came on the show i was checking the notes before i came on. we had something like 1400 staff and 260 offices. today we have 2500 staff. another 1100 since that august moment and 350 offices. this weekend we've got 4000 events happening in battleground states. 25,000 volunteer shifts. the event we did with the vice

president in madison with 10,000 attendees resulted in 4000 new volunteers. the two events in north carolina the week before in charlotte and greensboro resulted in another 7000 volunteers. we're turning them into action on the ground. in the case of arizona and jeff flake, i'll note the vice president out there talking about the border or in pennsylvania or pittsburgh talking about the economy. we're doing serious policy- oriented speeches and positions aimed to talking to voters on issues that matter to them. at the same time having enthusiastic rallies and organizing moments where we turn all this enthusiasm and energy into action on the ground. one more bit of breaking news. with this weekend we will cross 100,000 events in the battleground states since july 21st when the vice president became the presumptive nominee. >> let's talk about the polling we're seeing out of those states. two different polls. one is from the new york times

released yesterday showing harris up in wisconsin, in michigan. up big in nebraska second district. and then this morning consult poll from about the same period in arizona harris up 3. in nevada, which the trump campaign once said was all but a fore gone conclusion harris up by 7. do those numbers match your internals? >> i just think across all seven. and i think these seven are really the seven that are the true tossups in this race. alicia, i would say any one of the states you mentioned has the potential to be a tipping point state. the issues are different in each to some degree. there are different ballot considerations in each state. different considerations on the ground. but at the end of the day, there's political gravity in those states. they've been tossup states. the polling is one thing and we're getting a little closer to the end where the polling can actually have some indication i think.

but we care less about that top line. i look at the election results for senate, governor for president and our modeling and what we see consistently across the seven is states are truly tied and in some places we're still an underdog where we need to be a bit more ahead. >> where? tell me where? where are you still an underdog? >> i think across the battlegrounds i just feel like we have to be a little bit, you know, more firm than we are. that is imperative for our campaign to continue to talk to voters. we take nothing for granted. these states are so close. the way i look at it is it's a margin of error race. michael tyler earlier this year coined this as a margin of effort race. >> can we put that graphic back up on the screen? i'm struck by what dan said. if you look at those various battleground states, you are saying the campaign says you're close or you're tied in even some places. the next graphic with the little states on it. you're tied in some places.

but this next graphic says it looks like -- i mean nebraska is like this is like. i feel like this is not it. seems like what you're telling us is many of your little boxes are gray that they tied or might even be red that say harris minus 1, 2 or 3. what then do you do to close the gap there in some of those places, dan? i think jeff flake's endorsement is a really big deal in arizona, frankly. it's giving that permission struck which our that michael talks about. there are folks who are not republicans that jeff flake is not going to speak to them. their base democratic voters that say i'm seeing a lot of republican activity and not a lot of base democratic activity. what do you all doing for those folks? >> so i think symone on how close it is and what you do to win those close races. the race has not moved

tremendously at any point in time in this calendar. there's gravity we're fighting a little bit. we understand that. so partly the plan has been to have presence on the ground talking to voters. that's both persuasion and it's mobilization as you point out. this last mile these inches you're fighting for at the end of a close race are about persuading those handful of folks, who still need to decide where they're going to land in this race. someone like jeff flake can be a permission structure for republicans who do not like donald trump but don't know enough about kamala harris and what she stands for. i think jeff flake creates that permission structure for republicans. on the mobilization side, all those events. 4000 in battleground states just this weekend. 100,000 events since the vice president became the presumptive nominee. we're engaging voters and pushing them and mobilization is both about excitement, it's about creating an energy and a place for people to come and be part after campaign which then

exbands that snowball. it's also about the mechanics of an election. if you can register more people. if you can make sure voting access is protected at the polling locations through our voter protection program. all of that generates hundreds of votes in a county, thousands of votes in a state. that is the margin in these places. 11,000 votes in georgia and arizona in 2020. 20,000 in wisconsin and i'll note on wisconsin, already 52,000 votes have been cast by mail. that is more than double the margin of victory in 2020. we're here now. we're doing the work. donald trump's campaign is not doing that. they're doing rallies. selling gold watches. they're not talking to voters. >> i think symone makes an important point. your campaign is faced with two sometimes diametrically opposed positions. one is okay i would love to get these republicans and center right voters to the table because you're going to need them in those battleground states. but the other side of it you still to some degree have to

close the deal particularly with younger democratic voters out there. it's not enough just to wave the abortion banner and to, you know, say some other things that may sound good. it really does go to some of what you're talking about how you're pressing up them to say not only do we want you, we need you to be a part of this because my assessment, dan, democrats have to overwhelm the ballot box this november. you have to do the unprecedented. you have to do basically what i did in 10, you got to find votes in places in nooks and crannies that no one thinks they're there to pull them out in order to win because you know what happens on the other side. if this thing is close it gives donald trump and his ilk more noise to make about election fraud and so forth. how do you close that piece of it from your perspective to make sure your base democratic voters know at the end of the day we love republicans and

jeff flake, thank you, but we need you. we need you to overwhelm the ballot box in these battleground states. >> it's a few things. on the first point you made about the potential for the other side to cause trouble if it it's a close election, we know they will do that. nothing like experience. we've seen it in 2020. there's a robust and strong legal apparatus in this campaign that was built much earlier than any other campaign would build that, specifically to guard against what we know they will do because donald trump has no morals in that regard. absolutely none. on the campaign side we're building momentum and enthusiasm. the vice president has lit a fire with voters. in the weeks following her taking the baton on this race, 400,000 brand new volunteers came to the campaign organically. that staff on the ground is channeling those folks into activities. there's nothing like being a part of something to make it real and tangible and then come back for more and then bring people with you for more. when we talk about the stakes

in an election. and being part of something, you just cannot miss. that is best effectuated by people on the ground who are part of it that you know. they're in your neighborhood. they're in the community. they understand the issues you care about. they pull you along. that's an effort on the ground that's happening across all these states. then of course the vice president herself is phenomenal at this. when she goes on the road. i'd love to have another debate with donald trump and so would she. there's an ad out this week talking about the need to have one more conversation with voters because folks do not understand still the stakes in this election. i think that conversation is required. donald trump afraid to have it, clearly. we want to have all of that out there both the rallies, the debate, the persuasive moments. the back end the legal protection. the campaign is thinking about all those things because in this modern cycle it's not enough to just do tv. you have to persuade folks the whole way. >> do both and do it big.

do a lot it have. do a lot of it. dan, thank you, my friend for being part of the conversation to kick us off. next hour massachusetts governor maura healey helps us preview the vice presidential debate. but first the global fallout from the death of hezbollah's leader. you're watching the weekend. super helpful. ♪♪ [ cheering ] what are invoices? progressive makes it easy to see if you can save money with a commercial auto quote online so you can get back to all your other to-dos. absolutely not. get a quote at progressivecommercial.com. are you tired of your hair breaking after waiting years for it to grow? new pantene with more pro-vitamins, plus biotin & collagen. repairs as well as the leading luxury bonding brand. stronger, healthier hair, without the $60 price tag. if you know,

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new this morning, israel's military says it has killed another high ranking hezbollah official. the idf says the deputy head of the iranian backed military group central council was killed in an air strike on saturday. several senior hezbollah commanders have been killed in recent weeks including hassan nasrallah. the death was quote, a measure of justice while adding it's time for a cease fire. nbc news learned the pentagon is looking to send additional military support to the region and the state department is offering assistance to americans looking to leave lebanon. joining us now nbc news political analyst and former undersecretary of state for public diplomacy rick. >> rick, pull back the curtain for us the conversations that are likely happening right now between secretary blinken and president biden. >> yeah, the death of nasrallah is an inflection point in the

middle east. it's something that people hadn't anticipated. nasrallah has been around for 30 years. he's the sort of founding father of hezbollah. what it shows you is that netanyahu doesn't want to let a crisis go to waste. he's using the hamas war as a way to get at a more principle enemy which is hezbollah. hezbollah has always been the focus of israeli intelligence. we saw evidence of that in the way that they were able to get to nasrallah. what secretary blinken and president biden are talking about is how to avoid a wider war. i think it's possible to avoid a wider war. i mean the iranian reaction has been somewhat muted. sometimes in diplomacy you narrow a problem to get to a solution. sometimes you widen it. they're going to be talking about is there some kind of way

of hitting all the bases. having a cease fire in lebanon and having peace talks. i know that sounds crazily optimistic. i'm sure they're talking about it. >> rick, it does sound crazily optimistic. you do -- that is how these things work. i was struck by prime minister netanyahu's statement. he was supposed to be on camera and initially was going to do a media appearance. then decided to put out a statement. quote, the elimination of nasrallah is a necessary condition for achieving the goals we have set. returning the residents of the north safely to their homes, and changing the balance of power in the region over the years. yesterday this news was met with some i would argue cob store nation and concern from folks in the west. vice president harris' statement said this. today, hezbollah's victims have a measure of justice. i will always support israel's

right to defend itself against iran and iran-backed terrorist groups. so what is your take on this? while yes i'm sure they're talking about places to get to in terms of a diplomatic solution, secretary austin has said they had no heads up about a number of the actions israelis have taken as of late. secretary blinken had no heads up. there's some of this israel's out there doing its own thing. the statement from vice president harris to me alludes to it's not a bad thing what happened. it's just maybe americans want to be involved. >> it's a complicated situation. the biden administration and the person of the president and the vice president has been at israel's back since the beginning. there's been little daylight between what israel is doing and u.s. support. we know behind the scenes that

president biden and vice president kamala harris have been counseling the israelis to take it easy. to go slow. biden used the phrase over the top in terms of the israeli reaction in gaza. i think they want to figure out some kind of solution. during a presidential campaign it would be nice to have a cease fire. you know, the other thing nobody really tells you about is the role of iran. the city nations in the middle east are not unhappy about the death of hassan nasrallah. they look at iran as the principle enemy, not the u.s. so there's a way of getting back to some kind of conversation. just last week, you know, u.s. brought up the idea of a saudi arabian israeli peace and the saudis said we want to do this, but you have to solve the palestinian crisis first. there has to be a two state

solution. to me the principle pause of why the abraham accords didn't get us to peace is because there wasn't a solution to the palestinian crisis. i think a two state solution is the thing that could be the key to unlock peace in the middle east. >> i want to shift from the middle east from the very difficult situation there to something that's equally difficult. seems to level up the stupid of people in particular jd vance. who was talking down the visit by volodymyr zelenskyy saying let's take a listen. >> i came to pennsylvania. i wanted to come in the same week that president zelenskyy from ukraine came to pennsylvania. and i don't know if y'all noticed, but he came to

campaign with the democratic leadership of this country. you know, we've spent $200 billion on ukraine. you know what i wish zelenskyy would do when he comes to the united states of america? say thank you to the people of pennsylvania and everybody else. >> so first off, jd, mr. zelenskyy says thank you every time he comes to this country. he's said it from the pulpit of the capitol in the well of the congress to the streets of the cities. what do you think is going on here with the situation right now. you saw zelenskyy having to stand there with former president trump. very awkward, very uncomfortable moment. i get the politics of that. what do you think zelenskyy's calculations are looking at this election and the prospects of what could be on the other side come january of next year

with this war still raging in europe? >> i'm glad you mentioned mr. zelenskyy always thanks the american public every time he comes here. he talks about it all the time. you know, to the very larger issue of the election, it's going to affect everything. it's a tipping point for everyone around the world. the fact that zelenskyy actually went to trump tower to talk to donald trump. someone who has desmidged him, who has echoed vladimir putin's lines about the cause of the invasion saying the u.s. is responsible just shows how important the election is and he has to cover his bases. he obviously wants the continuation of the biden administration in the person of kamala harris who has been supportive. very smart to zelenskyy to go to pennsylvania. the number of polish and eastern europeans who live in

pennsylvania are the hundreds of thousands. they know that vladimir putin if he's successful in ukraine that those countries, even poland could be next. the election is the most important thing going on in the world right now and obviously your coverage is a tribute to that. >> appreciate it. thank you very much, rick stengel. up next, the walz-vance debate is just two days. can you believe it? two days away. what's ahead and what to expect from the running mates. be sure to follow our show on social media. our handle everywhere is at the weekend msnbc. weekend msnbc. help fuel today with boost high protein, complete nutrition you need, and the flavor you love. so, here's to now... now available: boost max! dad i got a huge barbeque wing stain. this bottle says i need to pretreat. that stuff has way more water. a little bit of tide goes a long way, so you can save your shirt and maybe even a little money. moat the... library.s right...

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joe walsh. also with us msnbc political analyst and vanity fair correspondent the host of the podcast fast politics. >> hey, joe, good to have you here at the table with us this morning. so i want to start to set up the conversation about the vice presidential debate with the breaking news this morning from our friend jeff flake who put out a statement endorsing kamala harris. noting i want to support a presidential candidate who seeks to unite our country rather than one who divides us. one who represents the ideals of a new generation of leadership based not on grievances of the past but hope for the future. after all, in times like these there is nothing more conservative than putting country over party. i could not echo those words more. i'm so happy to see jeff flake do this along with other republicans. you've been out on the road. you've been in michigan and

elsewhere. arizona. how does this set up the conversation for the vp debate this week on tuesday and what's your take from what you're hearing on the ground how what's happening around the country could also feed what we see coming particularly from governor walz. >> first off, big thank you to our friend jeff flake my former colleague. thank you, amen. where are you mitt romney and every other republican? come on, get off your butts and do the right thing and put your country first. michael, and symone, i'm sorry. this is my high horse. we put it all on the line. we end our reputation. we put up with threats and hate because we come out and put our country first and support kamala harris. it just -- so thank you, jeff flake. it bugs me that mitt romney and others don't. look, i was in pennsylvania and michigan this week and i am scared because this race is tight. everywhere i go i hear from people joe, and i'm talking to

independents and people who are kind of undecided republicans. they all say the same thing. joe, trump's an as, he's a jerk, i get all of that but i don't know where kamala is on things. i'm worried about immigration. and so it's concerning. i think there are more undecided people in the middle than all the experts know and my advice to the harris campaign is get out there. go get this thing. >> so how does that just real quick for tim walz. this is the moment, he's an every day guy. to possibly reach some of those voters? >> well, this is a big debate because trump's a coward. he's not going to debate her again. jd vance is smart. he's going to go after kamala harris. there's a lot of pressure on tim walz to be -- to appeal to people in michigan, wisconsin and pennsylvania. this is a really big debate i think. >> molly, snl debuted the

season last night. >> boy did they. >> sure they did. none other but jd vance and governor walz made an appearance. here was snl's take on the two. take a listen. >> when kamala harris called me and asked me to be her vice president i said uh, yeah! [ laughter ] this is personal for me. i love this country. and as a former teacher, i need the money. this suit is from costco. >> hello, hello, it is i jd vance. how much do we love donald trump? just this afternoon he told me jd you're like a son to me because i don't like you and i'm stuck with ya. >> this is, shoutout to snl, okay. they know how to do it. molly, this debate is as joe was saying i do think it's critical. vice presidential running mate debates are different than the

presidential debates. oftentimes they are more policy laiden. they are obviously usually less about the people sitting at that table and more about how they are representing their principle. i think back to the debate in 2020 between then senator harris and then vice president pence. this though is a little different because jd vance has been at the forefront of many of the controversies and conspiracies and the lies and the issues -- issues as like bad problems for the trump campaign on the campaign trail. so this will be a lot more about the two people sitting at the table than usual, i think. what about you? >> jd vance is really an interesting vice presidential candidate because he really does represent much of maga. he got the job because he was able to show fieldty to donald trump. when you see him on the stump

he's largely defending trump, protecting trump, creating some world around trump too. he ultimately is i think a lot of what he says because we remember he had a completely different world view as recently as 2020. is basically to the service of donald trump. so he will now have to defend trumpism against someone who is largely very popular midwestern governor who, you know, has some progressive -- largely progressive policies feeding hungry children, et cetera and who reads as a midwestern dad. again, look, i think that governor walz is a little bit nervous as he's said publicly because he doesn't have a ton of debate experience. remember the campaign had to read from a prompter because he was so much, you know, just a teacher and then a governor. teacher, congressman and a governor. i do think ultimately, you know, i would rather be the guy

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donald trump's speech in wisconsin last night was so full of retribution and conspiracy even he called it dark. >> kamala is mentally impaired. joe biden became mentally impaired. kamala was born that way. she was born that way. we're going to prosecute people that cheat in this election. and if we can we'll go back to

the last one too. this is a dark speech. >> so joe, just a moment of clarity. i'm having a moment of zen right now. let me get this straight. donald trump says that kamala harris is mentally impaired. so what does it say donald trump that you lost the debate to a mentally impaired person? what does that say about you? moving on. >> it says he's an idiot. >> that and more. but you see this dark dystopian sort of narrative sandwiched in between hundred thousand dollar gold watches, by the way and gold lame tennis shoes. what is the strategy the harris campaign is -- what do you make of the strategy that they're putting out. they're trying to meet this with billboards and ads and sort of taking directly --

taking trump directly on in terms of hey, yeah, he a literary country. let's just show that. how do you assess their approach this all of this? since you're working with the campaign across the country. >> michael, symone, it goes to what we talked a account a few months ago. you can't normalize this guy. if you normalize him, you risk losing to him. you listened to him last night. that's beyond the pale. she was mentally impaired from the moment she was born? i can't -- i'm probably a lousy guest on tv because i can't laugh about anything he says. michael, donald trump is trying to scare people into voting for him and we make a mistake, i think in thinking that he's only appealing to his base. >> he's not. >> he's not. he's appealing to so many independents and people in the middle who are genuinely concerned and scared about where things are in the country. and he and jd vance are just

trying to scare the hell out of people when it comes to immigration and crime. and the harris campaign, again, can't normalize him. they need to go at this head on. they can't avoid it. >> he, i was also -- his comments about pardon me the vice president are consistently sickening. >> ugly. >> as are those comments about we're going to prosecute the people that cheat in this election. that is a tell. donald trump is telling us what he's going to do, molly. he's not hiding. he's not throwing a rock and hiding the hands. he's throwing the rocks and got two rocks in his hands saying come get me and throwing them again. it's like, it's on the rest of us if it we decide to pay attention or not. i want to talk about north carolina. there's a birth control ad that the harris campaign is running in north carolina tying robinson and trump together. take a listen. i just want your response on the other side. >> do you support any restrictions on a person's

right to contraception? >> we're looking at that. i'm going to have a policy on that shortly. i think it's something you'll find interesting. >> here's how you don't have a baby. you don't have what you do to make a baby till you're ready to have that baby. >> you will find it i think very smart. >> here's a novel idea. why don't you use some of that building up of your mind and building up of empowerment to move down here to this region down here and get this under control. >> i think it's a smart decision. >> molly. >> this is very, very, very smart on the part of the harris campaign. you will notice donald trump has still not withdrawn his endorsement to mark robinson. so until he does that, until he separates himself from mark robinson, all of mark robinson's many, many, many

indiscretions, racist rhetoric, anti-semitism, all of those things are owned by donald trump too. i mean they're not, you know, and so i do think that this is a really smart play by them. we know mark robinson is a drag on the ticket. we know north carolina is a swing state. we have seen the polling out of there. i think it's very smart. birth control is where this is all heading. if you look at the supreme court. if you look at the comments of thomas and alito and their plan. the idea they're going to make it illegal to mail abortion pills. >> joe, i am going to stay up -- aspire to stay up past my bedtime to watch my friend symone sanders-townsend special. there was an exchange in that

special. symone asked of donna brazil what do we do regardless of whether harris wins or loses. i want you to take a listen to what donna brazil had to say and we'll talk about it on the other side. >> i also think the day after election day we know that the vice president will preside over the count of the electoral votes on january 6th. and the fact that we want to return to a country where the rule of law is still part of our fabric. and that we continue to have equal justice. it's a time of opportunity but also of hope. >> things i found interesting about that answer, one that the role of the vice presidency has come into focus in the past few years in terms of mike pence holding the line against donald trump when it came to the certification of the last election. also when it came to vice president harris stepping up and becoming the top of the democratic ticket. just what it is that donna

brazile says there. there's an important role of upholding our democracy that falls to the vice president. what a sharp contrast to imagine what that looks like with our current vice president kamala harris. if you extend into the future where you potentially have a vice president jd vance needing to do the same and potentially being asked to do what former vice president pence was asked to do. >> i think the country needs to wake up to the day after this election. again, donald trump said two nights ago at a rally that the only way he will lose this election is if it was stolen. he's doing it again. he's attacking our elections again. he's inciting violence again. only one of these candidates will not accept the result in four or five weeks. the country needs to wake up to that that is going to lead to further violence. >> joe walsh, molly jong-fast.

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executed 55-year-old marcellus williams on tuesday over objections from the local prosecutor. williams was convicted for the 1998 killing. the st. louis county prosecutor filed a motion to overturn williams' conviction citing a lack of evidence in the original case, ineffective counsel subpoena gayles' family even made calls to spare his life. the conservative majority on the supreme court declined to stop the execution. marcellus williams is now the third inmate executed in missouri this year. the 15th in the nation. this issue is one that's close to my heart for a number of reasons. when i was lieutenant governor of maryland they reinstated the death penalty in the state and as someone who is pro-life, i believe in protecting life in the womb and life in jails;

right? and so all life should be protected. and when you have a situation where there is evidence, clear evidence that the individual who is on death row should be at least having his case looked at the evidence rechecked and re-examined. when the prosecutors tell you that there's something not right here. when third parties unrelated to the case come in and look at the evidence and go there's racial bias in this jury selection process that this evidence doesn't stack up. the court has an obligation to pause. the court has an obligation. one of the things in my review of our death penalty in maryland that i wanted to make very clear that the roles that are out there, folks, someone's life. i get it. the heinous crimes and the bad situations. i looked at those cases on

death row in maryland and you feel horrible for the families. but you also have to consider the evidence. if the evidence as it indicated in this case was this gentleman should not be on death row, to kill him and execute him without a review of that evidence to me is heinous. >> you know, it is what struck me the most about this is that the prosecutor's office. that office is now led by westerly bell who is the democratic candidate for congress in that district. likely to be elected this november. whether they did take another look at the case they found that williams' dna wasn't even present. whose dna was present was folks from the da's office because they had poorly handled the evidence in that case.

that was part of the reason the da joined with even the family of the victim in this case to say we need to take a pause. there are many entities and individuals that could have stopped the execution of marcellus williams. the attorney general of the state of missouri. the governor of the state of missouri. and then even, yes, the majority on the supreme court they could have waited. they could have stopped it. the conservative majority sided with the conservative governor who is term limited by the way in this missouri and elections have consequences. it's part of what this boils down to. yet again we have watched an execution of a quite possibility a man who has maintained his innocence. >> the evidence did not have him at the crimes. >> it didn't have him at the crimes. >> this is why people are so frustrated, i believe with the criminal justice system. we talk about the special we have tonight. this comes up.

we touched on this a little bit within the special. truly, i couldn't believe. i was at an event when it came through that they had executed him. and i couldn't -- i was like oh my god. i can't believe they executed marcellus williams knowing the evidence. >> part of the reason and i think part of the reason you couldn't believe that, symone is because we don't want to believe it of the united states supreme court. i an amazing point in slate. the title of this piece pay attention to who benefits from the conservative justices selective empathy. there is more incontrovertible evidence of trump's guilt in the january 6 cases than there was of marcellus williams' case. >> that's the reality when you look at, you know, our criminal justice system and the blatant distortions about, you know, the impact that it has on black

and brown communities. and the way they're projected and treated and assumed to be guilty in instances. i mean there's a reason why donald trump insisted on executing the central park five; right? that feeds into those narratives. this kind of comes back to haunt in so many ways that this man was not given the benefit of a review of the evidence that showed he was not the one who committed this crime. and yet they executed him anyway. >> marcellus williams should still be alive today. the system did not do him justice. stay with us, folks. there's another hour ahead on the weekend. governor maura healey is here. congresswoman stacey plaskett will join us and melissa murray. that's coming up. murray. that's coming up.

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welcome back to "the weekend" everybody. we're just 37 days from election day. can you believe how close we are right now? this is amazing. and we are just two days from the first and only debate between tim walz and j.d. vance. it's a chance for the voters to see the men who could serve as vice president. a role that's, you know, come into sharp