have to earn their vote. >> and we have bethune, she was a trail blazer when it came to government service. she was a part of fdrs black cabinet. an orchestrater of it if you will. she truly believed education was key and that our voices. the voice of black women, the voice of black people they belong in every single discussion about the direction of this nation. i think across people have heard us ask the questions but the question is -l that asked on november sixth. >> and when that question is asked. the voices of black women will be answered. and thank you so much for joining us on the road to 2024.

so, in just two days, jim walls and j. d. vance will face- off in their first and only debate, which is the only two make it to this level for election day. the former attorney general led the process by harris harris later, i have wanted at the trail all summer. this week, i caught up with him in north carolina. we talked about the rise in anti-semitism, the trump teams gas lighting of america women, and even some fantasy football. okay, i have been thinking a lot lately about that moment a few weeks ago. when kamala harris walked out on the debate stage and took donald trump's hand. she was aggressive in seeking the handshake. she did not wait for him. she leaned in, literally, into his space. i have been taking about that

moment because it's an example of the campaign she has run ever since. i mean, instead of ignoring issues where she is perceived to have a disadvantage, by the way, every candidate has disadvantages. she has dug into them. take the economy. time and time again, polls show voters favored donald trump when it comes to the economy. as much is that may bend your mind, because all he talks about is terrorists which would raise costs for everyone and cutting costs for corporations, he loves talking about that. that's how voters are feeling right now. instead of hiding from the topic, this week, harris dove right into it. she made an economic policy speech in pittsburgh. in that speech, she outlined plans two expand investment in american industries, and understood the american middle class because of her upbringing. and then, she sat down with msnbc's ebony wolf. >> you don't care the idea of

tariffs across the board. that's part of the problem with donald trump. i say this in all sincerity. he is just not very serious about how he thinks about some of these issues. >> so, that is all an example of her leaning in strategy. and it seems to be working here. over the past few weeks, she started to close the gap with trump on the economy, huge issue on the minds of people across the country. it's not just that issue, you see her strategy playing out. i mean, there is perhaps no issue that has been more challenging for democrats in terms of moving public opinion than immigration. it is challenging for harris, specifically. she has been pegged by critics as the voters borders are pummeled, the sole person responsible for an insurgence of migrants over the past few years which is, of course, absurd. the country has had a broken immigration system for decades. long before harris was even

picked 2b joe biden's running mate. and not to beat a dead horse, but i'm going too here, it was trump who killed the bipartisan border deal, not kamala harris. regardless of all of that, polls consistently show immigration as a major weakness for democrats. and for harris, specifically. but a news poll this month shows that 54% of registered voters think trump would battle -- better handle securing the border. 33% said the same of harris. she's not going to make of the whole gap between now and november. it's about making up some of that gap. instead of running away from all that, she literally went to the border this week. on friday, she visited a border town in arizona. she confronted the issue head on. she used it as an opportunity to talk about things like this. >> as president, i will only bring back the border security bill that donald trump tanked, i will do more to secure our border. it was the strongest border security bill we have seen in decades.

it was endorsed by the border patrol union. and it should be ineffective today. donald trump tanked it. he picked up the phone, called friends in congress, and said, stop the bill. you see, he prefers to run on a problem instead of fixing a problem. >> so, that right there that i just talked through, from the vice president, that is a textbook example of flipping the script. diving first into an issue headfirst into an issue where you have a disadvantage of leaning in, as i have been talking about. i think it is safe to say that her willingness to be bold and aggressive, tone her vulnerabilities is quite a contrast with her opponent who

had this to say, or not to say about mark robinson this week. >> are you going to pull your endorsement of mark robinson? >> i don't know the situation. >> now, it's hard to find a clear example of literally running or walking away from your problems than what we just saw there. i mean, come on. he did only knows the situation. of course he does, he just doesn't want to talk about it. trump is also running scared from a second debate, insisting it is too late despite having debated right around the proposed 2016 and 2020. i mean, on that front, even fox news is calling him out, saying, this week, he thinks harris is running from a debate, and the holdup is donald trump. so, he is too intimate harris on a debate stage, instead, he goes back to a safe place, resort into the nastiest attacks imaginable in the friendly maga confines of a campaign rally. >> joe biden became mentally impaired., harris was born that way. she was born that way. if you think about it, only a mentally disabled person could

have allowed this to happen into our country, anybody would know this. >> i mean, that was gross. but really, what we are seeing right now is one candidate who leans in. -- who is not afraid two address and embrace the areas she is not addressing. that's what a leader does by the way. every candidate is bound to make up things. a candidate hangs a lantern on her vulnerabilities, and another runs away from all of that, who just seems to hide over and over again in his dark comfort zone of nasty and racist attacks. joining me now is former attorney general eric holder. he is the chairman of the national democratic redistricting committee. he is so important during such important work right now. there is so much i want to talk you about. it is great to see you. i wanted to start with, you know the vice president very well. we are going to show a photo of you right now with harris and beau biden from 2013.

it's quite a throwback photo. a lot of us, myself included, are surprised by how aggressive she has been in the campaign. i gave some examples of it there. i mean, in that debate, before that, she has leaned into her perceived political disadvantages, she has been aggressive on the trail. you know her well. as it surprise you? have we all missed it until now? >> well, i have known her for almost 20 years. it doesn't surprise me at all. she is appropriately aggressive. she is unafraid. she will do the kind of things that are necessary to promote the interest of the american people. that is consistent with her professional career. i have known her since she was the da in san francisco, attorney general, senator, vice president, and in each of those roles, she has done nothing but that which is best for the american people, and has been bold in her approaches. she has had success at every level at which she has served the american people. and i would expect if given the opportunity, she will do the

same thing as president of the united states. >> one of the things that has shown up in polls, i imagine it is frustrating for sitting on the campaign, is a 28% of people who want to know more about the vice president. that is also a huge opportunity. i am not convinced that they are looking for an 85 page plan to be left on their doorstep. but you have known her so well for 20 years. what do you wish people knew about her that they don't seem to be digesting, or they don't know yet how the last couple of months have gone? >> yeah, that notion of, we need to know more about her plans, it is kind of befuddling in the sense that she has laid out detailed plans on a whole variety of things, the border, the economy, we know about her history as a law-enforcement officer. i think we know who -- and we should know who kamala harris is. i mean, i have gotten to know her, as i said, over the last

two decades. she is a compassionate person. she is a person who is unafraid to use her convictions to come up with good policies. she is not afraid to take on the powers that be. you know? when it came to the mortgage fraud crisis, she took on the big banks and got billions of dollars of relief for california homeowners who had been defrauded by those banks. she is a person who has stood for criminal justice reform. she is a warm person, you know? she is funny. she is a great cook. you know? she is a down-to-earth person who is a great public servant, and will be an outstanding president of the united states. >> i wanted to get your take also on the other side of all of this. i mean, i just gave my take on how trump is mainly running away from his weaknesses. he is kind of using the same old tired attacks. and you recently tweeted, which is bold, of course trump won't debate again. three reasons, one, he got whupped. his campaign fears the more

people seek him allah, the more they like her. his campaign will realize he is unstable and in cognitive decline. we have been watching them for a long time. i want ask you expand on that. what are you observing in him right now that makes you think that? >> well, he has never been a master of the english language. but if you look back four years ago, eight years ago, his sentences are shorter. they make less sense. his paragraphs are more garbled. he seems to be just more out of touch with the questions that are asked of him, and the way in which he formulates his responses, they don't seem to be coherent. he doesn't have many policy positions he can never talk about. he just seems to me to be a person who is a little more confused than perhaps he was

four years ago. i'm not saying that he was spectacular four years ago, or four years before that. even against those with lower standards, he doesn't seem too meet the standards he was judged by, you know, just a few years ago. >> yeah, not nearly enough attention two kind of the gargling confusion we see out there, which is why i want to talk about it. i just played a crip -- clip where trump called men -- harris mentally impaired. it is projection. it's part of this pattern for him, that's how i see it, going after women, women of color, in particular. incredibly demeaning terms, but what do you think it's all about? >> yeah. the trump playbook is, when you don't have the specifics, when you don't have the ammunition to actually go after somebody on their policies, or go after them in a substantive way, you go back to eighth grade and ninth grade kind of stuff where you start a call people names. you know? talking about her mental

stability, her inability to do certain things, i think it is both projection on his part, but also an indication of, again, the cognitive decline. he doesn't have the ability to mount a substantive challenge to the person who he is running against. and i think that is something the american people need to take into consideration. donald trump made a great deal of the cognitive abilities of joe biden. we now have the person in the republican side who is the oldest person ever two run for president of the united states. you've got to think, if this is where he is now, where will he be three and four years from now, and also take into consideration, well, if this guy for whatever reason cognitive leave does not make it through those years, the person who would stand in his place would be j. d. vance. and that is a truly frightening thing to have to consider. >> i mean, speaking of, and you

have played a number of many roles in your decades in public service. but you are in charge of her vp vetting process. i have spoken with governor walz a couple times. people have gotten to know him a bit. it seems like her pick is going well so far. i want to know from you. what are you expecting to hear? what are you wanting to hear during the debate on tuesday between governor walz and j. d. vance? >> i suspect j. d. vance will do better than donald trump when he got whupped in his debate. j. d. vance is a person who, if a little strange, more than a little weird, is disciplined. and i expect you will see him come out in that way. he will stick to his guns. he will try to deflect about the things he has talked about in terms of, you know, immigrants eating dogs and cats. you know? he will try to somehow portray all that stuff.

he will pivot off of that stuff into things that are untrue, but he will do so in a disciplined way. i hope the american people will take that into consideration. tim walz, by contrast, is a genuine person that i have ever known. he is a person who presents himself as he is. -- a person who is warm, who is caring, who really tells it like it is. that encapsulates the opposite of j. d. vance early on, when he use the word weird. pundits have been coming up with ways in which they can describe the ticket. he didn't, you know, go through focus groups. he just expressed that which he thought they were, which is weird. it is something that really caught on. i think that's an example of who he is. but be wary, be wary of j. d. vance as i said. you will see a disciplined person there who will try to run away from that which he has said, and do it in a way with language where, if you don't

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cheat on this election. and if we can, we will go back to the last one, too. -- if we are allowed. we are going to prosecute people, so, at least they know that's going to happen. >> that was donald trump yesterday afternoon in wisconsin, a very important state. it became clear it's not enough for him to threaten his perceived political foes in this election, he will go after anyone who stood in his way in the last election, too. eric is back with me. you heard trump threatening two prosecute people who commit cheat in the election. it's this tricky balance between not wanting to be alarmist, but being very clear eyed about what he says he's going to do, and what he

intends to do. you have been an advocate for voting rights, for people having their voice heard, also the former attorney general for decades. i believe we have to take him at his word. how should we take that? do you think the apparatus up there is prepared for him too implement what he keeps saying on the trail? >> i think we absolutely have to take him at his word. he will weaponized the united states department of justice to go after his political foes. and what is frightening about this, a couple things. he has project 2025 that lays out how they are going to do it, then beyond that, they have the experience they had from four years when donald trump was president. they also now know. it's not only a question who you appoint as attorney general, it's who is the beauty attorney general, who serves as united states attorneys, who serves as assistant united states attorneys. they will use the mechanisms of the department of justice do go after people who are there political foes. this is something that has not really happened in the history of this republic. that is something by itself that i think should disqualify trump from being considered for president of the united states. >> no doubt, it showed, among many other things that should also disqualify. i want to ask, and you know

well in educating all of us, too. it is about six or seven states that are really going to matter in this election, may be plus or minus one or two. there has been new reporting. i have been paying attention to the states. but there is a new story this morning about republicans dialing a flurry of lawsuits and challenging voting rules. this one jumps out at me from having spent some time in pennsylvania. in montgomery county, according the pennsylvania, the third largest county, the party is seeking to force local officials to count ballots by hand, similar to what is happening in georgia, invoking debunked conspiracies about corrupted voting machines. this other piece also jumped out to me, a case filed by the republican national committee in nevada falsely serves nearly 4000 noncitizens voted in the state in 2020, claimant was rejected at the time by the top election official, a republican. and i raise all of this because it's all a part to me about all the state level voter

suppression efforts that are happening. i know you're elevating this. you are talking about it. what are you most concerned about right now? as you know, everything you do from doing the work you do? >> first, we need to understand something. the republicans are afraid of the very people who they say they want to represent. they don't want to have the american people really engage in a really full and free election. therefore, if everybody who has the opportunity to vote actually does that, they will lose. so, they come up with these theories that are totally inconsistent with the facts. you know? this notion of having, you know, noncitizens voting is belied by the assistance coming from the foundation coming from 2002 220 22, finding over 1 billion votes were cast, and found 100 instances where noncitizens voted. the vast majority of whom did so by mistake.

and so, they are trying to fool around with the system now so they can gain some advantage. but the bigger thing is, they want to lay a foundation now for challenges after the vote when they think they are going to lose, and bring further lawsuits. they are also trying to come up with ways in which they can put in place at the state supreme court level, people who will hear these lawsuits they are going to bring, and rule on them favorably. that is why we have endorsed candidates for state supreme court in north carolina, ohio, michigan and texas. people who will decide cases on the basis of the facts and the law, and not have partisan wins as they approach these cases. this is all about trying to fool around with the results of the election. it really gets me when trump says, you know, it's going to be a rigged election. for him, all elections are rigged, unless he wins. and the things he says, the things that they are saying, the lawsuits they are bringing, or simply inconsistent with the facts. >> you raise the state supreme

court mentions, and you have single handedly, with the help of others, elevated this into the minds of the public. the other member what happened in wisconsin and how important that was last year. tell us a little bit, for people who are not sure why they should pay attention to supreme court races, they could determine the outcome on things like abortion rights. what else should people out there be aware of in terms of why the state supreme court races are important to pay attention too? >> on a day-to-day basis, people's lives in the country are more impacted by what happens in the states than by federal government. state legislatures have the capacity, as we have seen, for unbelievably anti-draconian anti-choice laws, and making voting rights decisions. it's why we place emphasis on endorsing candidates who will do things in a fair, appropriate way in states that i mentioned, and why --

although, remember, this is an existential presidential election, people have to vote down valid as well. and look for people who will stand for american ideals. state supreme court justices, ohio, texas, michigan, north carolina, those are critical, critical races where some election challenges that will undoubtedly be filed either republicans will ultimately be decided. the majority of these cases will be decided in the state court system, and not in the federal courts. that's why these elections are so important. >> so important to pay attention too, i voted by mail yesterday. it is very easy. i encourage everyone to do it. thank you, attorney general for joining us. i really appreciate it. barnstorming the country, making the case for kamala harris, and a wide ranging conversation, he told me why he is proud to be the ultimate white guy. -- white guy. we will play for you after this break. break. ♪

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we are all used to seeing political spouses out on the presidential campaign trail. but we have never really seen a political spouse quite like doug emhoff. in many ways, he is an unlikely force on the campaign trail. he left a massively successful career in entertainment law when he became second gentleman. and he did that too avoid any conflict of interest, how refreshing. he is deeply connected two his jewish faith, and he has taken a front and center role in the fight against anti-semitism. at the end of the day, he is a proud wife guy. he does not stop defending her, and advocating for many of the same issues that drive her, like abortion rights. we talk about those issues and much more when i caught up with him at a small business in wilmington, north carolina where he was talking to voters about his wife's economic plans. >> i want to ask you about an economic issue, and that is abortion rights. your wife, the vice president,

has been outspoken on this issue long before she was the nominee. she was traveling across the country talking about this issue. you have also been front and center talking about abortion rights. and you have also encourage more men to be in the fight of talking about abortion rights, which is often thought of as a women's issue. what you think that's so important? >> look, after the dobbs decision came down, she called me right away. she was actually on air force two, and she said, dougie, they actually did it. and we knew it was coming, but the fact that the supreme court would take away a fundamental right that had been on the books for 50 years, right who my mom who is now 83, back in the day was fighting for equality, abortion rights, and the first person i heard from after, look was ella, and she texted me, and i was like, we need to

fight. we need to do something about this. then i literally heard from my mom saying the same thing. then, think about this. my 83-year-old mother is somehow going too enjoy more rights than ella? it is wrong. this is all because of donald trump. he ran on a platform of women should be punished for seeking an abortion. he said that. there is video. he ran on a platform of appointing supreme court justices who would overturn roe v wade. they did just that. and he is for a national abortion ban. make no mistake, he says i will be the protector of women, that is more lies and more gas lighting. >> he says women won't have to think about if i am elected. >> women, mentally, should be furious about this gas lighting, furious, and turn this anger into action. >> you have also been front and center in the fight against anti-semitism. and your faith has long been important to you. you have talked about it quite publicly. if the vice president is

elected, you would be the first jewish-american to be the first partner, first gentleman, whatever you may call yourself. how is the history of that weighing on you in the moment? >> well, i took -- and i take being the first jewish white house principal ever, very seriously. i am accountable for it. and if you recall, even before october 7th, really, at, was urging, we leaned in on the fight against anti-semitism on behalf of the biden harris administration. we put forward the first strategy to combat anti- semitism, which was released in may of 2023, so we had that out there, and when the horrific day of october 7th happened, the administrator and was ready to take action. it is something i have been working on, speaking about, meeting with released hostages, hostage families, it is intense. a lot of times, i don't want to do it.

it is too raw, too emotional for me. and she is the one who keeps pushing me out there because of the responsibility that i have in this role. because she cares about these issues. she is out there fighting these issues just like i am. what really bothers me is when trump got up there at an event, an event to fight anti- semitism, and he said, vile anti-semitic things, tropes that are just -- just terrible. and, you know, we have to speak out every single time when something like that happens. so, i will continue not to be afraid, not to be intimidated, not to live in fear, but to live openly and proudly as a jewish person. >> when you hear him say things like that, and he said that if he doesn't win, it will be essentially the fault of jewish ->> one of the oldest tropes. >> an old trope. i know you put a statement out

on x at the time. you worry he is putting a target on the backs of jewish americans? >> he is. take him at his word. he lies about a lot of things, but you have got to take him at his word on things like this. so, yeah. this is a disgusting trope, you know, the so-called do loyalties. it's an outrage. and it's not just jewish people who should be outraged. >> do you think he's anti- semitic when he says things like that? you look at him and see the repetition of these types of words and languages as anti- semitic? >> of course it is. i have said that publicly, definitely. >> i want to ask you also about mark robinson. we are sitting here in north carolina. you spoke about him just at this event. he also reportedly recommended hitler's mein kampf as a good read. he called himself a black nazi. what do you make of that as you

look at the state of the republican party? >> it is pure cowardice. it is shameful. it should not be this way. we need a strong republican party. we need people like liz cheney and adam kinsinger who come out and endorse kamala harris, where you may not agree on every single idea and policy, but you agree on who we are as americans. you agree on our constitution, and who leaders should be. so, we had someone who made comments like mark robinson. he is unfit, unhinged, should not be running, and the fact donald trump was right here in wilmington, right where i am sitting, where he couldn't disavowal mark -- he might have tried, but he did not disavow what mark robinson said, his candidacy, and it is shameful. it is so shameful. donald trump is the guy who said, this guy is a star. he said he's martin luther king jr. on steroids, has not disavowed any of that. so, donald trump is supporting

mark robinson. those are the types of candidates that he is supporting, and we can't have it. it just shows you another of the many, many examples of why donald trump is just unfit of any job, let alone president of the united states. >> there has also been an important part, an interesting part about how people have talked about your role, how it has reese shaped the perception of masculinity. i'm not sure you planned on that, but you are an incredibly supportive spouse. has that been an evolution for you? do you think that's part of the role you might play as for settlement? >> it's funny, i have started to think a lot about this. i have always been like this. my dad was like this. two me, it is the right thing to do, you know? support women, it's mutual, with, and i, we support each other. we have each other's back. and i have said many times when we lift up women, we support women, whether it is childcare, family leave, all these issues, you know, in this scape, women

should not be less than, women should not be treated differently and have less rights. that's not the american way. it's also not like if some women succeed -- some dude is suffering, it's not a one-to- one relationship. when we lift up women, we lift up families, the economy, and when i was in the business world, it lifted up the organizations i was in. it certainly lifted up the white house. when you were there, with you and, as vice president, it was a great workplace there. >> there is a pop-culture phrase, wife guy, and you have been known, are you familiar with this? you have been called a proud wife guy. how do you feel about that? >> if i do something annoying two >> reggie:, i will show her the article. >> you should have a t-shirt or mug. >> yeah. >> there are people, you know who i'm going to ask you about, who are not as confident with

strong women, one is running against the vice president, he seemed to be uncomfortable on the debate stage, and he seemed too use that how he thought people thought this women did better. she is already agreeing two a second debate. do you think he's afraid of debating her? >> yes, he should be. >> the other thing i have been thinking about a lot is, how it must be for you when you see people attacking your wife. you had a pretty strong response recently when governor sarah huckabee sanders attacked the vice president, suggesting that because she did not have biological children she, quote, doesn't have anything keeping her humble. and you spoke about that when you are asked about it. i bet it upset you at the time. what was your initial reaction as a human being when you saw that? >> as a human, as her husband, but also knowing how much she loves coal and ella, and how much coal and ella love her, and how the kids think of

kamala, kirsten and myself as this three-headed parenting machine, number one, it is inaccurate. and it is disrespectful. it starts with the mispronunciation of the name, the governor knows exactly what her name is, and how it's pronounced. it is just -- they are thinking by beating people down or trying too, that somehow shows strength, instead of just talking about issues that help people, and attacking people for being a biological mother or not, which seems to be an obsession of her, j. d. vance and others, it's just -- it's not where the american people are. there are so many families like the doug emhoff-harris family -- there are so many people -- you know, so many people who are mother figures, mothering children, so, it's wrong, it's inaccurate, and it just shows who they are.

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what do you guys do when you have downtime? is there a show you are binging? >> there's not a lot of downtime right now. i would say in the four times, we love show gun, it's one of those things that is so great. i can see that she watches a little bit of the bear here and there. >> how do you know? >> you know, on resume. i can see -- i watched it. the show can get a little stressful. i'm sure, right now, it's not the greatest show to watch when just trying to be out there. i know she talked to pacs. when that won the award, she said, what a great show. >> she's a great cook. she loves to cook. you said she tried to teach you to cook. what can you cook now that she taught you? >> this was a covert era thing when we were together. it was a little unfair she was cooking all the meals. i said, can we eat last? she said, no, you need to learn

how make a few things. just learn two or three things. it was like chicken, grilled salmon, make some rice, saute some spinach. that's about the extent of it. my grandfather taught me how to do scramble eggs when i was a kid. so, i can actually do great scrambled eggs, and a few other things. >> great scrambled eggs? >> that comes in handy, i'm telling you. >> really? >> people come for that. that's good. >> one thing left is the is the relationship you all have with the bidens, and also with tim walz. dr. biden gave you some advice when you became the running mate. and you also have sound advice to glenn walz. >> when we first met them as couples, it was right before we went on stage in philadelphia. and they came in. it was so overwhelming. i said, look, nice to meet you. we went through this exact same thing four years ago. i know exactly how you are

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presidential candidates tim walz and j. d. vance will meet for their first and only schedule debate ahead of election day. normally, there is only one vice presidential debate. that is totally normal. what is abnormal about this year's vp debate, it will likely be the last time voters will see the contrast between the tickets on a national debate stage. that is because it appears trump will not accept another debate. for me, the speaking debate is worth paying attention two more than they usually would be. and here's what i will be paying attention two. let's start with the obvious. j. d. vance is not donald trump. he clearly does not have the same charisma. we know that. he is still committed two trumps maga mission, no matter what the cost. >> the american media totally ignored this stuff until trump and i started talking about cat means. >> it wasn't just names. >> i have to create stories so the american media pays attention two the suffering people, that's what i have to do. you guys are completely letting kamala harris coast. >> you said this is a story you created. so the eating dog food is not

-- >> we are creating -- >> dana, it comes from first- hand accounts from my constituents. i say we are crating a story, meaning we are creating the american media focusing on it. >> the clip is so telling. he has shown like trump he is willing to push whatever story fits the narrative regardless of truth. while he may still push the same trump lies, he probably won't fall for the same traps at the debate that trump did. he is not actually a bad debater. >> tim ryan has a tv commercial out there right now. it's a pretty funny tv commercial. credit two your team, where he says he only agrees with his own wife 70% of the time, yet he votes and agrees with nancy pelosi 100% of the time. that must make things a little awkward in the household, i suppose. but look, you vote with her 100% of the time.

you can't run from policies she has supported. >> it's not that i agree with him or you agree with him, but it's that vance is a bit more disciplined, a bit more on his message. take it from the guy who was on the other side of the bait you saw in the clip in 2022, former congressman tim ryan. he said vance is, quote, able to semi-articulate some kind of intellectual underpinnings of donald trump's rants. he's very smart. i don't think there's any doubt about that. i would never call them dumb by any means. so, here's the thing. if you are expecting a repeat of the last harris debate where trump fell on his face, i have news for you. while trump rambles, lashes out, veers from one topic to another, j. d. vance has the ability to stay focused and discuss policy. he has a deep and comprehensive understanding of how the government works. and when you add that to his devotion to trump and the ideas of the maga movement, things he called cultural heroine, it will make for a different kind of debate. j. d. vance might be less bombastic on stage. he may sound more thoughtful at

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