even if my opponent is ready to fold. >> tim walz is having the fun part, he says, before the big debate. kamala harris wants another one, you see there. the running mate debate is on for tomorrow. it's the first and only vice presidential debate. we're going to preview all the action on "the beat" and i want you to know, we have a live interview tomorrow right here with pennsylvania governor josh shapiro. that's tomorrow on "the beat" at 6:00 p.m. eastern. governor shapiro has played an outsized role both for his rumored position on the short list for running mate and running such a big key state, and then keep it locked because rachel maddow kicks off the special coverage tomorrow, 7:00 p.m. eastern. the vp debate, get comfortable. we would love you to join us. be here by 7:00 for rachel and the whole team, and on to the debate, it's a big might and the last debate of this general election season. "the reidout" with joy reid

starts now. tonight on "the reidout" -- >> you know, these are smart, smart people. they're not so stupid. but they have to be taught. if you had one really violent day, one rough hour, and i mean real rough, the word will get out and it will end immediately. end immediately. >> a new low as trump advocates for a day of violence. a national blood letting, essentially the purge. that's his rhetoric takes an even more sinister and dangerous turn. also tonight, bernie moreno, the republican running for senate in ohio, doubles down on his weird comment that women over 50 need not be concerned about abortion because apparently their bodily autonomy doesn't matter anymore. his opponent, sherrod brown, joins me. >> but we begin tonight with an

answer, at long last, to the question many in the political world have wondered over the last eight years since trump went from reality show host, failed casino magnate, and frequent wwe performer to presidential candidate, declaring he would make america great again. and having failed to make it all that great and getting fired by 81 million americans for botching america's covid response, vowing that he would make america great again again. and that question is, when is it that trump thinks america was great the first time? was it the 1980s through the early 2000s when he was actually popular? the '50s that the most that many women could look forward to was a new vacuum. no, got to go back further. >> you know, our country in the 1890s was probably the wealthiest it ever was because

it was a system of tariffs. and we had a president, you know, mckinley, you remember mt. mckinley and then they changed the name. one of the things, he was really a very good businessman and he took in billions of dollars at the time, which today it's always trillions, but then it was billions and probably hundreds of millions. but we were a very wealthy country. >> there we have it, the mckinley era. 1897 to 1901, when william mckinley who was actually not a businessman, succeeded his former union military commander rutherford b. hayes who led the abandonment of the anti-slavery heritage in favor of betrayering the formerly enslaved to remove union troops from the south and make him president, when he bet it all on big business. after his military service, bill mckinley returned to his native ohio, got a law degree, ran for

congress, and in 1890 became the chair of the powerful house ways and means committee. the committee that determines the budget and spending. there, he became the architect, and here's why old don loves him, of the mckinley tariffs. the highest tariffs ever in u.s. history. the idea behind the mckinley tariffs was to protect domestic industries from foreign competition. but keep in mind, this was a time when the u.s. was an emerging manufacturing economy, where we pretty much built everything at home, not like today when we import everything from video game systems to tvs to beer, tequila, wine, and food. all of which would cost more if you slapped on tariffs. probably just a coincidence maybe that the same year as mckinley's tariffs the u.s. faced a massive wheat crop failure that meant importing foreign wheat, didn't seem like a good look for tariffs. and three years later in 1893, the u.s. sunk into a massive

five-year recession with 10% unemployment and massive bank failures but i digress. mckinley's support for high tariffs got him something really useful in politics, a really rich sponsor named mark alonzo hannah, who bankrolled mckinley's political career, funding his successful run for ohio governor in 1891, which he held until 1896, and then his run for president that year. mckinley's presidency wasn't just about tariffs. it was also about empire. after an explosion on a u.s. battleship called the maine, that was later found to be just a structural failure, not sabotage, the u.s. launched a war against spain to take cuba, puerto rico, guam, and the philippines out of their empire and utthe latter three into ours. and mckinley launched an open door trade policy with china, having updated to something called reciprocity.

you trade with us, we'll trade with you. after his vp died of a heart attack, he ran for re-election in 1900 with a new running mate, referred to as that damned teddy roosevelt. his run ended in 1901, though, when sadly, mckinley was assassinated by an anarchist who shot him in the chest in the pan american exposition in buffalo, new york, clearing the way for the progressive roosevelt administration and the vast saving of public lands which maga republicans also hate. they want to drill, baby, drill, and sell those lands to billionaires. billionaire developers. but what you need to know about this era that donald trump says is the time when america was great before he made it great again is not just remember the maine or mt. mckinley, which by the way, was renamed denali under the obama administration to restore its indigenous alaskan name, which is probably why trump is so sore about it,

the 1890s fell smack dab in the middle of the gilded age. it was a time of rapid industrialization and extreme wealth inequality. a time when the super rich got richer and richer, because the u.s. had no income taxes. which would not be passed until 1909, and ratified in 1913 under democrat woodrow wilson. workers during the gilded age toughed it out in scara conditions with no uniunions, n overtime, and no protection. it was two decades before women got the right to vote, unions got the right to organize, children were barred from working in factories and mines. non-white immigrants weren't blocked from coming to america, and black americans got a new civil rights act, a voting rights act, and supreme court decisions insuring their right to vote, to go to the theater or eat in a restaurant free from segregation and abuse, or to attend majority white schools. in other words, in the mckinley era, america was pretty much only great for men like donald

trump. tomorrow, in new york city, trump's 1890s vision of american greatness and kamala harris' call to move the country forward toward an opportunity economy will be on display in the form of a debate between their running mates, jd vance and tim walz. and the two men couldn't be more different. like bill mckinley, vance was in the military, though as a communications guy, not a fighter. and his mark hannah who bankrolled his career is billionaire peter thiel. the trump campaign is backed by other quirky billionaires including elon musk who is effectively running their ground game, and of course, trump is running on a vow to implement mckinley style massive tariffs and return us to the gilded age with another round of extravagant tax cuts for billionaires like musk and thiel. while tim walz, a former football coach and 24-year military man and kamala harris are running a kind of bread and butter fairness for the little

guy hold the super rich and corporations to account campaign that would make that damn teddy roosevelt proud, but to win, they'll have to convince a majority of americans they do not want to go back to trump and they do not want to live in a mckinley style america. and here to discuss how they might do that and to preview tomorrow night's debate is senator amy klobuchar from minnesota. it's great to be here. >> great to be on, joy. >> thank you, now that i am extracted from my history worm hole, i think it's interesting when donald trump makes a reveal, because it's obvious that somebody told him who william mckinley is, because i highly doubt he knew who he was, but it's interesting he's so attracted to a gilded age republican. >> i was listening to your opening and thinking only donald trump would want to take us back to a time when we only had 45 states, by the way, joy, when

the wright brothers were still on bicycles and women couldn't vote. i mean, that is like way back, just as they're trying to do when it comes to women's rights to make their own decisions about their health care. the exact same thing. literally, they're citing a law that was in place, the comstock act, before there was even a yellowstone prequel, and what i love about kamala harris and tim walz is they have an economic plan for the future. leading with small businesses and entrepreneurs. focusing on things workers need, like child care and housing. refusing to put in place something that would amount if donald trump's proposal would do to a $4,000 national sales tax on every american family. instead, they're looking at taking on the case, as you made the point here, for the people of this country. and the gilded age, maybe you know i wrote a book called antitrust, it was in fact teddy

roosevelt who was the first president who actually took this on. and before that, it was a country of monopoly after monopoly after monopoly and a very difficult time for workers. >> and that is why you are the perfect guest for this segment, senator. yes, because you clearly know this era very well. >> everyone wants to talk about anti-trust the night before the vice presidential debate, oh, yeah. >> i mean, i do. i'm a nerd. i do. and i love that you point that out. people are literally calling what trump is trying to initiate a tequila tax, because i don't think people fully understand a massive tariff like what mckinley had, when we're not a manufacturing economy, they had a recession then for five years. what you're talking about is your imported tequila, your imported beer that comes from mexico, your imported beer from germany, your tvs, your video game systems, all of it goes up by the percentage of that

tariff. >> to be clear, there's a place for tariffs, when you see steel dumping from china and the bides/harris administration have been very strong on that and keeping those tariffs in place. i mean, there is a place for it. but he would have this be a global wide national tariff that would amount to this tact as opposed to using it when necessary with specific industries and specific countries. >> let's play also, because the issue of women, this has to come up tomorrow. cbs said they're not going to fact check these two debaters. but if they don't bring this up, it would be a complete media failure. here is jd vance talking about women. >> we're effectively run in this country via the democrats, via our corporate oligarchs by a bunch of childless cat ladies who are miserable at their own lives and the choices they have made so they want to make the rest of the country miserable too. >> just to be a little stark about this, i think we have to go to war against the anti-child

ideology that exists in our country. >> when you go to the polls in this country as a parent, you should have more power, you should have more of an ability to speak your voice in our democratic republic than people who don't have kids. >> let's tax the things that are bad and not tax the things that are good. if you're making $100,000, $400,000 a year, and you have three kids, you should pay a different lower tax rate than if you're making the same amount and you don't have any kids. >> between that and donald trump calling kamala harris mentally impaired and stupid, the war on women is full on. how do you -- you know tim walz, governor walz. how do you expect him to respond? >> first, tim walz is someone who has worked with a lot of strong women. he's worked with me, as his u.s. senator and with tina smith, my colleague. his lieutenant governor peggy flanagan is a very strong leader. then you have his wife, gwen, and he has from the very

beginning, from the minute, for instance, here's one example in addition to what he's done to make sure kids in school get their lunches, to make sure that there's a strong work family leave policy, the minute that dobbs decision came out and roe v. wade was overturned he was one of the first governors who signed into law protection for the women of our state that they would be able to keep their reproductive rights. so you just go through his record, and you're going to see someone who is very strong on the rights of women. and that includes in the economy. when we look at some of these decisions from, you know, let's say 1890. i don't know why that year is on my mind today, but when you look at that, it wasn't just they didn't have the right to vote and they didn't -- they couldn't even sign certain rights to property. it's also how they were treated if they did work in the workplace. and i don't need to go back to that, to 1890, but you look at

the changes that have been made by and the advocacy of people like kamala harris, you go way back to when president obama came in, and the lilly ledbetter law was signed it to place to make sure women had the right to equal pay in the workplace. you look at all the work that's been done. we don't want to go back to 1890. i think tim walz will be a really effective person to make that case because he came from nothing and he then was a teacher. he's had real world experiences. and he's not someone that has a peter thiel behind him. >> there you go. amen. senator amy klobuchar, i suspect people are going to be running on zam to get your book because it's very apropos to this moment. >> thank you very much. great to be on. >> thank you so much. coming up, trump's increasingly deranged rhetoric reaches a new low. that's next. t.

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you see these guys walking out with air conditioners, with refrigerators on their back. the craziest thing. and the police aren't allowed to do their job. if you had one really violent day, one rough hour, and i mean real rough, the word will get out, and it will end immediately. >> what sounded like a description of the movie franchise "the purge" was just one part of trump's unhinged

weekend as we head into the final five weeks before election day. it included the actual 34-time convicted felon trying to brand his opponent as a criminal for her actions related to the border, both at his rallies and in social media posts calling for her to be impeached, prosecuted, or both. and when trump wasn't threatening to prosecute google for allegedly only displaying bad stories about him or wailing that fox should not be allowed to air any of harris' events on its network, he was spewing increasingly sinister, violently racist rhetoric about his opponent, black-run cities, and immigrants. >> kamala is mentally impaired. joe biden became mentally impaired. kamala was born that way. >> think about it, only a mentally disabled person could have allowed this to happen to our country. anybody would know this. i'm here only because they cheat. and they cheat in this state.

especially in philadelphia, and i will mention a couple other areas, but for the most part, philadelphia is out of control. detroit is out of control. atlanta is out of control. places are out of control. out of control. they make our criminals look like babies. these are stone cold killers. they walk into your kitchen, they'll cut your throat. that's over 647,572 migrant criminals who kamala set loose to rape, pillage, thieve, plunder, and kill the people of the united states of america. and they're not going to change. they're only going to get worse. >> first of all, it's kamala, even little kids know that, and mind you, in a normal word, if a candidate spoke like this, they would be elected to have their head examines, not elected to the white house. this is not normal times and one has to wonder is trump just demented or doing this to try to appeal to a certain type of

voter. joining me is a political strategist and senior adviser for target smart, and fernand amandi, democratic pollster and msnbc political analyst. i'm going to let you go to that first, tom. because this kind of just insane talk and hitler talk, you know, it seems like either trump is really just not very bright or his brain is smoothing out as he ages or he's doing it on purpose. and it seems to me that the latter might be the case. >> i agree. there's a tendency to try to sanewash the things he says. and to say, well, when he goes off script, he's just speaking off the top of his head. what struck me about what we saw in those clips is most of that was scripted. that was off the teleprompter. that a campaign strategy. it's not an especially new one, this strategy of fear, but why is this their strategy at this point? they're seeing the same numbers that we're seeing. we're seeing this rise of intensity and enthusiasm that you and i have been talking about over the last few weeks

after vice president harris became the nominee, they're seeing the enthusiasm gap where perhaps republicans aren't as energized right now. we don't know for sure, but there's lots of data pointing in that direction. what's an old tried and true trick they go back to? it's fear, racism, and violence. >> right, and fernand, one would just assume based on donald trump's past proclivities when it comes to black people that it's literally just trying to stoke white voters, but it also is directed at bumping up his numbers with latino voters. let me show you some of the new numbers in our nbc news "wall street journal" poll. so in general election among latino voters, harris isemundo poll, harris is beating trump 54/40 when it comes to latino voters but that is high for a republican. when you break it down among latino voters, dems are plus 44 with obama in 2012, plus 38 in

2016 when hillary won the popular vote but lost the election. they were up 33 with biden, and now it's only 14. then we go to latino voters by age and sex. men under 50 is where trump is leading. and that stands out to me, fernand, because everything other group, men over 50, women over 50, women over 50, et cetera, harris is doing really well. then i'll do one last one on education. men with no college degree, latino men with no college degree, trump is up 13, and last one, one more, catholic latinos, harris is up 20. evangelical protestants, trump is up 36. he's also using these really venal appeals ironically to appeal to latinos. why is that working? >> well, keep in mind a couple things. for those younger latinos, those are under the age of 30 for the most part, these are people who have come to political consciousness in an era where

trump has been the dominant figure. he's been the guy, and his campaign for that matter has made it an effort and a point to target that group. that's why they have done so many events in the ufc, mixed martial arts underground trying to cater specifically lock into that group. those numbers that you showed earlier, are they concerning for democrats? yes, they are, because it was a trend that we have seen now over several election psychoms. the silver lining are two, remember, the hispanic vote is also getting larger. even though those margins aren't necessarily the same, you're still netting out more raw votes when it comes to democrats, as long as they win the hispanic vote. secondly, even within the margin of error, i still think when the voting is done, and that's the poll that counts, we'll see it in the exit polls, kamala harris will be above 60%. donald trump will be below 40% when it comes to hispanic voters. the other thing that matters most, yes, the national numbers are a trend line. what's happening in the battleground states? if we really saw this effect nationally with hispanic voters

in the battleground states, kamala harris would be in trouble there. truth of the matter is she's not. she's doing very well in pennsylvania, where the hispanic vote is helping drive the lead she has. same for the north carolina lead she has there. a lot of that is driven by the growth of the hispanic vote. they're voting for harris. you see what's keeping nevada in the harris column, that hispanic vote as well. yes, these are numbers to keep an eye on, but it's not the dooms day that i think a lot of folks want to think it is. when you factor in also the weaponization of polling, not suggesting our colleagues at the nbc telemundo poll have done that, but there are other polls out there that are trying to make a case of reality which is not what we're seeing when it comes to the actual numbers in the battleground states. >> that's a great point. tom, you and simon rosenberg have talked about this a lot. rasmussen have been working with the trump campaign. they have been emailing back and forth about the timing of polls.

emailing with dan scavino, and then of course, we know that we have seen a bunch of right leaning polls dumped into the polling averages. this happened in 2022, which created this belief there would be a red wave. the polling averages become less useful, don't they, tom, if you have a bunch of sort of right-wing leaning polls dumped into them? >> it's a huge problem, and to your credit, no one did a better job in sounding the alarm in 2022, when we first saw this sort of thing happen than you on this show and simon rosenberg as you mentioned. the news is it's happening again. they're doing it even more out in the open but we're seeing it impacting the polling averages in the battleground states, as fernand said. they have promised that they'll do more of this. and we have to remember, even though this is all now out in the open and they got this memo like the ceo of rasmussen is an open election denier. open trump supporter, so we shouldn't be surprised, the real surprise to me is folks in the

media and some of these public averages are falling for it again two years later. >> we need to remember that the reason they're doing this is because they want to be able to say the election was stolen because they're not even confident donald trump can beat kamala harris. tom and fernand, thank you both very much. coming up, democratic senator sherrod brown joins me as his republican opponent doubles down on comments that the focus of women over 50 on abortion rights is, quote, a little crazy. that's next. from the #1 rated brand in cordless outdoor power, the ego power+ blower. reaching an incredible 765 cfm, it runs up to 90 minutes on a single charge. exclusively at lowe's, ace and ego authorized dealers. (children speaking)

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friends, i think it's time we state the obvious. the maga party isn't sending their best and their brightest this election cycle. there's kari lake who is running for senate in arizona after a failed run for governor two years ago after which she kept calling herself the real governor. the self-proclaimed black nazi, lgbtq hating, gun loving extremist with an alleged proclivity for trans pornography, who is running for governor in north carolina. there is the republican who is running for the hotly contested seventh congressional district in virginia, his name is derek anderson, when he's running against eugene vindman who helped his brother alexander blow the whistle on trump's blackmailing ukraine. according to "the new york times," anderson borrowed his friend's family for a photo op to make it look like he's a family guy, when he's really just a childless dog dude with

no kids. nobody tell jd vance. he's not the only two-faced family values guy. republican congressman anthony deesposito is trying to keep his house seat in new york. "the new york times" found out his fiancee's daughter and his mistress were on his office's pay roll at the same time. the payments ended when his fiancee found out her couple was trhouple. and then ohio, where bernie moreno is running against democratic incumbent sherrod brown. moreno's most remarkable accomplishment is joining jd vance in insulting women regularly. they report that month before launching his senate campaign, he told a crowd that the founding fathers would murder you for backing abortion rights. that threat came after he said pregnant women should take personal responsibility for what happen because it's not like you

get pregnant at the check-out line at the supermarket. he decided to dig the hole deeper with ohio's women voters by saying this. >> the left has a lot of single issue voters. sadly, by the way, there's a lot of suburban women, a lot of suburban women who are like, listen, abortion is it. if i can't have an abortion in this country whenever i want, i will vote for anybody else. okay, a little crazy, by the way, especially for women that are like past 50. >> asked about his comments, moreno blamed democrats. joining me now is moreno's democratic challenger and the current senator from ohio, sherrod brown. senator brown, okay, so moreno's spokesman said when he said the founding fathers would kill you if you were for abortion rights, he was espousing the views of his christian faith, and when he said over-50 women should check out because who cares, their

bodily autonomy doesn't matter anymore, mccarthy tdz was a tongue in cheek joke about how sherrod brown and members of the left wing media like to pretend the only matter that matters to women is abortion. >> well, it's not the only issue, but i remember when connie and i heard that and actually saw the tape after somebody called us and said they had seen it. i mean, pretty incredulous. he first of all just mocks the voters of ohio, 57% voted for women to have the constitutional right to abortion. and then he saved a special insult to women over 50. why should they care about an issue? so just think about somebody like that doesn't belong in the u.s. senate. somebody who is going to represent my state, they don't care about the opinion of particularly women past the age of 50, because why would they have opinions about anything? it speaks to character as much as it speaks to such an

important issue, abortion rights. >> that seems to be going around, though, in your state. your junior senator, jd vance, has spent a lot of the last month insulting not just women, childless women, women over 50, women who should become nannies because they're over 50 and don't have kids, saying women shouldn't have essentially the same rights or the same taxes bah they don't have children and going on and on. then in addition to that, insulting and essentially creating a threatening environment for haitians in your state. what is going on that these are the kind of people who are representing ohio? >> yeah, i mean, i like to say these are arranged marriages. i didn't choose bernie moreno and he didn't choose me. but it's what we do. special comment on springfield. i grew up in mansfield, ohio, a town that's just slightly smaller than springfield, about 100 miles away. industrial town that's been hit hard frankly because presidents of both parties and corporate

interests sold us out by passing trade agreements that sent jobs overseas. i have seen what it's done. i went to johnny appleseed junior high with the sons and daughters of a whole lot of union members that saw their jobs disappear. and springfield is the same kind of town. it's starting to come back. i know the haitian workers were invited in essentially by the business community to work. and we have seen politicians politicize this, we have seen them politicize immigration generally. and you sit in the front of a tv in ohio and see ad after ad. there is more money spent against me in this campaign than i believe ever in history. that's why i asked people to come to sherrodbrown.com and help. it's a fight. it's a fight every day and a closer race. >> i mean, and bernie moreno has the kind of money to spend. he comes from a very politically connected family in columbia, full of a lot of people involved

in politics and he is essentially made of money. and his family is one of the most rich families in columbia. he built a fortune as a luxury car dealer. if elected he would be among the top eight wealth y senators. an estimated net worth of $25.5 million and $105.7 million. between him and jd vance, essentially, it would be peter thiel plus peter thiel. what is your appeal, you know, to try to keep him out of the senate based opthe fact this is a rich guy endorsed by a supposedly billionaire president with gold toilets? >> i make this race, i don't see politics so much as left and right as whose side are you on. as you know in the times we have talked off the air, i talk about working to get ahead. bernie moreno stiffed his employees out of $4,000 he owed

them in overtime. he then destroyed the evidence the judge required of him. just like abortion rights, i support the voters of ohio, 57%, i join them, of course, in abortion rights and bernie moreno wants 100% pro-life, no exceptions. he wants a national abortion ban. that's why i ask people to come to sherrodbrown.com. more money spent against me than any race in the country. there's a lot more of us than them, but they have a whole lot of money. i'm not complaining, i just know we have to fight back. >> senator sherrod brown, best of luck in this race. 35 days to go until we'll find out how ohio will go. thank you so much, sir. much appreciated. >> thanks so much. and coming up, we have unfortunately become used to weird republican climate change skepticism. but now we're seeing conspiracy theories alleging climate manipulation. seriously, this as communities continue to deal with devastating real world aftermath from a hurricane that left more

than 120 people dead. ple dead he told us who he was. should abortion be punished? there has to be some form of punishment. then he showed us. for 54 years, they were trying to get roe v wade terminated. and i did it. and i'm proud to have done it. now, donald trump wants to go further with plans to restrict birth control, ban abortion nationwide, even monitor women's pregnancies. we know who donald trump is. he'll take control. we'll pay the price. i'm kamala harris, and i approved this message.

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home to the city of asheville. in all, helene cut a swath of devastation from florida's gulf coast to georgia, south carolina, tennessee, and west virginia. at least 120 people have died as a result of helene with upwards of $100 billion in damages. and to be clear, every single one of these republican-run states is going to accept disaster aid from the biden/harris administration. even as the leaders of those red states refuse to back policies to help mitigate these storms, including florida's climate change denying governor ron desantis and north carolina's republican legislature who have routinely undermined environmental protections in recent years. meanwhile, on the right, conspiracies are spreading online that the storm appeared out of thin air on radar. it did not. some also accuse democrats of manipulating the hurricane because apparently, a government research program in alaska can control the weather to target

pro-trump counties. i wish i was making this up. it's that loony tunes. but that unfortunately seems like the kind of anti-science fan fiction that maga's top climate denier donald trump would believe. since he once suggested using nuclear weapons to destroy hurricanes and used a sharpie to modify a government map to falsely show alabama in the path of a hurricane. the national oceanic and atmosphere administration had to bat down both of those because they're dangerous and scientifically unsound garbage. which is probably why project 2025 wants to end noaa. meanwhile, today, trump is also lying about the federal response to helene. during a visit to georgia, he claimed that the state's republican governor brian kemp had been unable to talk with president biden about storm damage. funny, since governor kemp praised the administration's response just hours before that lie. of course, donald trump has never been honest about anything a day in his life. but at a time when the

devastation of helene has made the effects of climate denial clearer than ever, the people of the southeast deserve better. they deserve better leadership. they deserve honesty. coming up, fears of a wider war mount as u.s. officials say it appears israel's targeted ground operation in lebanon has begun. more on that next.

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two u.s. officials have

told nbc news that israel has begun a ground incursion of lebanon. those officials said the u.s. does not have independent confirmation but the timing of what the israeli notified the u.s. had planned. the officials also said the u.s. has not seen any movement of assets or equipment in iran to indicate a response from tehran is imminent. iran has been postured to move quickly if it wants. the operation in lebanon would aim to push hezbollah forces further away from the israeli border. this comes alongside continued airstrikes into lebanon and the killing of multiple hezbollah litters including hassan nasrallah, the longtime leader. it is executive vice president the quincy and and peter binder at her at large of jewish currents and author of the forthcoming book being jewish after the destruction of gaza, reckoning. i appreciate you being here. what are the implications of what we are seeing happen in lebanon and all of the other places that israel is

apparently conducting military operations in? >> this is the scenario that the biden administration said that they were working very hard to prevent spread a war into lebanon that will very likely risk the involvement of iran which can make it into a regional war. the difference is that while the biden administration has said they are against this, early on probably did push is real hard not to go. that route to israel and the united states and they have been provided of all the different bombs, political cover, et cetera, in order for israel to do what it does not want to see israel do. the question is will this lead to war not. >> it is a huge question, peter and a political question too.

joe biden has tried to step aside to allow vice president harris to comport with a different vibe and message about the way that she thinks about the middle east. we are seeing a sprawling human conflict. i want to put out a map of evernote israel is an action right now. they have bond but houthis in the oven. the horrors of the west bank . obviously, the ongoing horrors and starvation and bombings of gaza. and now lebanon but it may have hit iran to kill a hamas leader and the also have engagement in syria. this is the opposite of what biden has said he wants. where is our leverage? these are our bombs being used, or 2000 pound bombs. >> this is a gift to donald trump. donald trump's message is the world is in chaos. i will restore stability. now you have the outbreak of a regional war. and the extraordinary astonishing thing is the biden administration is supporting this. no matter what it said, in material terms, it is supporting this is continuing

to supply the weapons and providing the diplomatic cover and international institutions for israel to do this. even though it is extremely dangerous for the united states and the people of the middle east. it is extremely dangerous for the political prospects of kamala harris. the biden administration is supporting this. let me go through it. on the other side of this, iran does have the proxy forces that it supports. it is not as hezbollah. it is the houthis. it is hamas, obviously. this man that was killed, hassan nasrallah, he has been responsible for killing americans too. i guess the u.s. interest was not having him gone. it does not feel like there is much control. it does feel like this is spinning out of control with the biden administration. is that the way it looks to you?

>> is not about controlling another country. if we do not want them to do it, perhaps we cannot stop it. why are we providing them with the weapons of the bombs to do what we say we do not want them to duke? this is where i think you are correct spread of the biden administration is subject to a very critical accusation that i have lost control. when they are saying they working tyrosine around the clock to secure a cease-fire, after 11 months, never really using any of america's levers to secure the cease-fire, it is not a great track record. the big risk now is that if it truly spires -- spirals out of control, u.s. troops will come under vitac. the u.s. itself is going to be at war over something that biden , much easier and much earlier could have stopped. >> the irony here is that it was president biden who was instrumental in getting us out

of the 20 year war in afghanistan. he was one of the strategist to wind down the war in iraq. it would be ironic, you know, if he was responsible for an escalation with these troops. that is not the point we are at now but that is a genuine risk. >> israel does have a genuine problem. there were many israelis in the north of the country who had to flee after october 7th. those people are of -- afraid to return home. there should be a lot of empty me for people living outside the home committees for almost a year. the israeli government does have responsibility to bring them back. the other path is a cease-fire in gaza in which it has been very clear that hezbollah would stop firing. you can fortify the border and do that as well. that is recognizing that you have a political problem. israel controls millions of palestinians who have basic rights but unless you begin to move towards solving that problem, you will put your own citizens in danger, not only

the palestinians but the other groups in the middle east who are in support of the palestinian cause. what the netanyahu government is doing is launching an invasion of southern lebanon. you know how hezbollah is created? through an it invasion of southern lebanon. >> it is something. >> hezbollah offered a cease- fire which is the israeli demand. >> thank you both very much for your expertise. before we go, i do want to wish, a very happy 100 birthday to a man of peace, america's kindest president who works so hard for middle east peace, jimmy carter from georgia and he set the standard for what a post-presidency looks like using the carter's energies the peace and help to people around the world and he worked tirelessly to help people here at home through habitat for humanity.