kiss your kids and hug your family. be grateful for this day. for now, i am signing up. from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thank you for staying up late. we will see you again tomorrow. okay. i know it seems like every single day, we are talking about some incredibly wild split screen between the two candidates running for president. boy, did we get another one today. on one side, donald trump fumbled and lied his way through storm damage in georgia. on the other, kamala harris said things you might hear from a president about a tragedy

like hurricane helene at fema headquarters. here is a sampling of headlines from trump's trip today. trump makes false claims about federal response as he campaigns in areas ravaged by hurricane helene. he falsely said the georgia governor was unable to talk to biden about storm damage. my personal favorite might be, trump says no one could've predicted hurricane at peak of hurricane season. we will talk about that tonight. we are going to preview tomorrow night's president of debate with my friend joy reid and with the last got actually debate j.d. vance, former ohio congressman tim ryan. we will begin with important context to keep in mind for everything you will hear, everything we will talk about tonight about the ways in which trump is currently trying to smear kamala harris. that important context is this. kamala harris embarrassed

donald trump in front of 70 million people during the debate. you know what happened. he knows what happened. everyone knows what happened. you might not agree with everything she said her every policy proposal, but one thing that's indisputable by anyone watching, she look smarter and more income and of him in front of the entire country. much smarter. and from that debate, he is clearly having a hard time processing all of that. clearly. in some ways, i think that embarrassment on the debate stage broke him in a way. even before the debate, he was flailing. that was clear. he was expecting to run against an over 80 you will joe biden ended said he ended up with an opponent 20 years younger. he needed a different strategy. he tried the racism route accusing kamala harris lying about being black. no one didn't take that. he tried the sexism route posting disgusting misogynistic

memes that we will not share on this show. that also did not take. since the debate, it seems to have gotten much worse. the man is kind of losing and he is lashing out. he is kind of wrapped all of this gross attacks into one. along with a new flat out lie about harris's intelligence. >> kamala is mentally impaired. joe biden became mentally impaired. kamala was born that way. she was born that way. if you think about it, only a mentally disabled person could have allowed this to happen to our country. anybody would know this. >> i am playing that, fiercely, it's disgusting and offensive. it's a schoolyard gross incel. by one estimate, there's more than 7 million americans living with an intellectual disability in the country. everyone needs to see it.

donald trump should be running to be there president as well. let me state that. setting that aside, i'm not sure donald trump is a candidate you should be making jabs about mental acuity. try to follow this ranch from yesterday. >> you look at the my pictures, gangster pictures, the drug dealer pictures. these people are far worse. there's nobody in hollywood like this. you can't get people like this. duo movie on some of these people you were going to be looking at in two minutes. if you want to do a movie, there's no actor in hollywood that could play the role. there's nobody that could do it. these actors, they are a little shaky. they cannot play the role. you bring in the nectar and he has no muscle content. he got no muscle. we need muscle. then they bring in another one. he has a weak face. he looks weak.

these guys have the whole package. >> i love watching the people behind him. they are awkwardly laughing. nobody is really following him. as karl rove, of all people, pointed out after the debate, trump was crushed by a woman he previously dismissed as dumb as a rock. what does that make him? those are karl rove's words. that's why he's scared of doing another debate. of course, it's projection. every accusation is a form of confession and all of this nonsense, childish lashing out is because of embarrassment. in my view at least. you can see where this goes. the racism did not work. the sexism did not work and the latest tax probably won't work either. it's crazier and crazier. the question is, what is next? when the outrageous rhetorical attacks fall flat, what does he do next?

what's a backup plan when the country sees through all of this bs? we know with a backup plan is because we have seen a version of this movie before. back in 2020. not that long ago. trump's next step is to prime his base that the election will be rigged. into monkeying around with the election. according to the "new york times", his allies are bombarding the courts to do that. these key states where the election will be one coworker lost. what happens if that doesn't work? we have seen that movie before too. he is showing another example of how open to violence he is. >> you know, these are smart, smart people. they are not so stupid, but they have to be taught. if you had one really violent day like a guy like mike kelly, put him in charge. congressman kelly. put him in charge for one day. would you say, you would say, please don't touch them?

let them rob your store. these stores go out of business. they don't pay rent. it's a chain of events. it's so bad. one rough hour. and i mean real rough. the word will get out and it will end immediately. end immediately. >> so, they attacks that really landing. there is a plan b. most concerning of all is there is a plan c too. joining me at the table, conservative attorney george conway, senior national political reporter for the post ashley parker. eugene daniels and senior adviser to the harris/walz campaign, adrian. there is a lot to digest. you may disagree with me. george, i will start with you. you never hold back. i want to start with you because you call them associate pack, psychopath, the things. >> which he continues to be. >> i want to ask you, sometimes

we get numb to some of the things he says. is it the same or is he getting worse? >> he is getting worse. he will not get better and i can't imagine what we will see the next few weeks if he feels everything is slipping away from him. this is a man who creates his own reality. he is lying, lying about whether the president talked to the governor of georgia. he lied a few weeks ago about kamala harris's crowd size. he said they were a.i. this is insane stuff, and he is not well. he has never been well but he is worse now because, precisely because of the narcissistic injury he suffered at the debate when kamala harris wiped the floor with him. >> you see a shift from the debate. >> that is right. he doesn't know how to deal with her. he is being told a lot of things, i am sure, for example, somebody must've gone to mar-a-

lago, an expert in the women's vote and say, you are losing and you need to do more to appeal to women. they want to see a president whose a protector. and he says, i will be your protector. he carpels everything and doesn't follow directions. i like to say about him, he can be manipulated but not controlled. right now he is out of control. the people working for him, they are going along for the ride. >> ashley, you've covered trump longer than anyone else at the table. you have been two more events that are trump events. you wrote this piece, this dark dystopia, kind of what he is painting. it includes this line. in donald trump's imaginary world, americans give interruptive by a loaf of bread without getting shot, mugged, do you feel this is darker than 2016 and 2020? is at the same going back to the same tactics?

>> yes and no. we can point to moments going back to 2015 where trump would be, as i described in the debate, playing until it. he is frustrated and cannot be controlled. it's no longer in the moment, postdebate, lara trump be trump. it's let trump be utterly out of control and hope they win anyhow. you can find other moments like this. i was struck by the pervasive darkness. it wasn't just the risky trip to buy bread. the idea that, as he says, kids go to school and leave on the bus and come back having undergone gender surgery. the idea that visitors to the nation's capitol, they want to see the beautiful monuments and go home in body bags. then famously, the lie that haitian immigrants are eating cats and dogs in springfield. it did feel like critical mass for this grotesque caricature

version of america that trump has been pushing recently pretty consistently at rallies, social media and interviews. >> i'm trying to understand for myself, is he getting worse? is it different from 2016? it feels like it. >> the other side of this campaign is you cover kamala harris and you are on the harris campaign. i want to play something that eric holder said yesterday which stuck with me. he was on our show, former attorney general, and he said what i'm betting if there was an anchor translator, harris would say -- let's talk about it. >> i think it's projection on his part, but also an indication of cognitive decline. he doesn't have the ability to mount a substantive challenge to the person who he is running against. i think that is something the american people need to take

into consideration. he made a great deal the cognitive abilities of joe biden. >> i want to ask you because adrian can't speak about sacred things happening on the campaign. or maybe she can. you talk to a lot of people. if you are in the campaign, you were talking about, what do we do about the fact that donald trump seems to be in cohesive. >> they are going to let him do his thing and i was talking to someone, show how cool crazy he is and vice president harris,

you talk about the split screen with her going to fema. having those remarks and implying that the governor georgia can't get in touch with president biden. the georgia governors like, talk to him and he said he would give me what i need. that's what they are sticking and let the surrogates to the messy stuff. that's probably the best way. you don't want to get into a back and forth with donald trump. >> don't wrestle with the alligator. >> he is better at being in the muck and he likes it down there. he is having a hard time running against someone who's not getting in the muck with him. he has a hard time running against vice president harris because she is a black woman. when he would tussle with the women that would ask him questions, our colleagues on the white has beat. reporters. he had his angry self for black women. if they asked him a question,

he would have the worst things to say about them. when he talked about joe biden got worse, harris was born like that. that is a dog whistle to say, the white guy got older and got worse but the black lady was born down. that's the thing donald trump is saying. >> it does feel, it's a different type of attack. adrian, she's dealt with working for a female presidential nominee. >> i have been in campaigns against donald trump. >> that is a lot. what do you take, what do the people who worked for hillary clinton, take from the campaign that they can apply now? do you agree the attacks are different? they feel different and they are racist. >> a couple of things. when we ran against trump in 2015, 2016, nobody knew what to do with him. he was like no other candidate we had seen. it was a misperception by a lot

of voters that he was not going to do the things he said he was going to do. when he came into office. when he said he would enact a national abortion ban or get rid of roe v. wade, nobody -- i believed it could happen but a lot of people do not think he would go forward with that. when he said he would focus on dismantling the affordable care act, people said he was saying that to get votes in his corner. he won't actually do it. but then he did. he tried to get rid of the affordable care act and successfully overturn roe v. wade. in 2020, running against president biden, he took the case to the voters and it was effective because he had a record to run on. it was not a popular record. 2024, we know and we make it clear with project 2025 that this will be a far worse, trump 2.0 would be far worse than a trump 1.0. we look through project 2025 and it makes clear not only do they want to get rid of the affordable care act but they

want to raise prices on prescription drugs. they want to make sure there is a national abortion ban want to raise taxes on middle-class families by the average of $4000 per family. there's a lot in there and we put out this report to make sure the american people understand what a trump concept of the health care plan would look like. we put together over 200 page report laying out what it would look like. very dangerous. a trump 2.0 would not be something the american people want. >> we will talk about -- who said she doesn't have plans? we will talk about project 2025 and the peace it relates to fema and disaster resistance and response. we will take a break and be right back. right back.

donald trump has a long history of making natural disasters about himself.

today was no different. the former president traveled to georgia today to survey the devastation left behind by hurricane helene, and once again, i could not help but inject politics into a tragedy. >> the governor is doing a very good job. he's having a hard time getting the president on the phone. i guess they are not being responsive. the federal government is not being responsive. they are having a hard time getting the president on the phone. >> okay. here is the problem with that claim from governor brian kemp himself. >> the president just called me yesterday afternoon, i missed him and called him back. he just said, what do you need? i told him. we got what we need. we will work through the federal process. he offered if there's other things we need to call him directly which i appreciate that. >> that's a little awkward i have to say. in another case of projection,

trump is baselessly claiming democrats are denying aid to republican parts of north carolina which is not happening. that's exactly what his administration did to puerto rico after hurricane maria. meanwhile, kamala harris canceled planned campaign stops to return to washington and visit fema headquarters today which, by the way, is what an actual president would do. this is what she had to say after getting briefed. >> over the past 24 hours, i've spoken with governor kemp of georgia, governor cooper of north carolina, and many local officials. i have shared with them that we will do everything in our power to help communities respond and recover. i have shared with them that i plan to be on the ground as soon as possible, but as soon as possible without disrupting any emergency response operations because that must be the highest priority and first order of business. >> i am back with the panel. george, ashley, eugene. there are questions that i will

is. donald trump lies in ways that are easy to disprove. why? >> [ laughter ] >> -- >> the challenge for his opponents is he does. he lies shamelessly. sometimes if it's not a lie, it's a miss truth or misinformation, and he's been doing that since 2015. he made the calculation that his voters would forgive that. previous politicians we have covered, if i were to fact check, mitt romney lying, he would change what he was saying. not that he cared that i gave him four pinocchio's although those long noses -- >> we don't like them. >> he felt it would be a penalty with voters but trump correctly realized with his voters, that's not all voters, but with his voters, shamelessness is his superpower

and there is no price. asymmetrical warfare because he lies and says things that are not true and they are easily disproven, but if vice president harris would do that, there would be a bigger penalty. it's a challenge to run against someone like that. >> it is definitely a challenge. adrian, we are laying it out so people should know the facts. you are dealing with somebody who was lying constantly. you can't spend all your time fact-checking. what do you do? >> in 2016 it was a challenge. we had never run against a candidate like john before so we were spending time trying to fact check him and making sure reporters knew he told 75 lies per speech and trying to push back on those lies. now, fast-forward, i think we've gotten to the point where, we know him doing that, saying blatant crazy lies will not gain

any more independent swing voters. the comments you showed her there which i will not repeat about the vice president that were very derogatory and demeaning and very untrue, it's not like there is an independent voters who will see that and say i will vote for him because he said that. we know that. we know now it's more important, especially when talking to voters at this critical juncture, to focus on the issues. make sure the american people understand what a trump 2.0 would look like, dismantling the aca and enacting a nationwide abortion ban. you have to focus on that into your point about attorney general and holder, surrogates can do a lot of work to push back on some things but we are focus on dry contrast. >> george, you know a lot of people who may not have been in the democratic circles forever. i do think the functioning of government in a hurricane response, this is something that

in a bipartisan way has been handled well by republican and democratic presidents and less well by others. do you think of it matters, should you spend time on this particular contrast? >> absolutely. they are actually in charge. the biden/harris administration. they are in charge. if you don't look like you were paying attention, which is happened in the past with snowstorms in cities like washington and new york. hurricane katrina didn't work out so well for the bush administration and you pay a huge penalty. you have to do it because it's the right thing to do. trump does not care about any of that. he only cares about whether a particular crisis can be used to manipulate his, manipulate the public. that is why he is willing to tell lie after lie. is a pathological liar. he doesn't have that gene the rest of us have when we even make the slightest mistake.

even accidentally. he will say whatever pops into his mind, that he wants people to believe at any given moment. it's not even that calculating. he is impulsive which is why, adrian will talk about issues and project 2025, but there's a part of the harris campaign, which i love, is they are doing this to trigger him. then he goes, he was at a rally the other day, they said she laid a trevor may. i was entrapped. as he is diving into the trap. >> we all saw the trap. >> the contrast in the split screen is important. he is a crazed, lying lunatic. and here is vice president harris acting like president harris. that's what people should be looking at. >> you have traveled with president biden and as ashley has, when there's a federal response needed, when there are disasters.

we have less than a minute, but why does that matter is people are looking at this? >> when talking about voters, if you want to talk about the voting part, the people on the ground. north carolina, george are both swing states and those people will vote at some point and they will vote for or against trumper vice president harris. the rest of the country is watching. walking around the disaster is vice president harris makes it trip, they're trying to make that out, walking around and looking like you are in charge and going to fema are doing what donald trump is doing. it's not bringing in those new folks but the people that are watching that really matter, the suburban voters, independent voters and some republicans will try to make this race what it is. those folks are paying attention because it tells you what they will do when they are president. there's no better way to do it than actually seeing it. >> it can actually impact

people's lives. thank you all so much for joining me. joy reid is standing by and we will talk about trauma in increasingly racist campaign. and the vice president to debate. she loves talking about j.d. vance. d. vance. ld allows others to earn their very liberal rates on idle cash. they would descend into chaos.

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>> if they dan sheets, i wouldn't be here today. you know why? i wouldn't have to campaign. i am here because they cheat and they cheat in the state. especially philadelphia, and i mention a couple other areas, the for the most part, philadelphia is out of control. detroit is out of control. atlanta is out of control. >> if that sounds familiar, it should. trump talks about those specific cities a lot. he said a campaign event in iowa last year. >> the most important part of what's coming up is to guard the vote, and you should go into detroit and go into philadelphia and you should go into some of these places, atlanta, and you should go into some of these places, and we got to watch those votes when they come in. >> trump told supporters to go into detroit and philadelphia and atlanta to, quote, guard the vote. here he is right after the election in 2020.

>> detroit and philadelphia, two of the most corrupt political places anywhere in the country. easily cannot be responsible for engineering the outcome of a presidential race. a very important presidential race. >> i think, he is saying big cities with significant numbers of black voters cannot be allowed to play a role in helping to determine the outcome of a presidential election. it's racist then and it's racist now. joining me is my friend kylie joy reid. she is a host of the readout and she just finished her show. i am grateful for you hanging out with us. we have been talking through the course of the show about whether things are worse than they were in 2020, 2016 and whether they are the same. you have been covering his outrageous language, his voter suppression efforts, you talk about it a lot. i want to ask you, do you think his comments this weekend, what he's saying now, his efforts in

the cities, as it was in 2020 and 2016? is it the same and what level of concern do you have of what you are seeing? >> i will echo george conway in saying that donald trump, he called him a lunatic and i won't use the term, but he is in decline. everything about donald trump is appreciably worse in 2016 or 2020 because he is in decline. he can't start the start of a story without veering into a fictional award he supposedly won't go. he can answer a question with lucidity. he is less lucid but less inhibited, and that means, his innate racism pours out in greater measure than it did before. he cannot control himself. i do think, and to your previous panel's point, it is calculated. he is in just a doddering fool who is racist. is a calculated person who is not trying to grow his vote

share. he is trying to speak to a particular voter, when he says, we have to call it detroit, philly, and atlanta. we have to go into philly and detroit and atlanta. he lost pennsylvania, michigan, and georgia and why he's under indictment for attempting to steal those races when he is telling his voters, his small, his share of extreme maga voters, these blacks are stealing the election. black haitians are file it cannibals. black people are the enemy. black people will be responsible if and when i lose and you are permitted through my language to do violence to them, if necessary, to stop another peaceful transfer of power. he understands he's not winning the election. you and i are both campaign people, he is not winning. what he's doing is what he did

in 2016, he is setting it up to say, if i lose, they still it. he did it in the summer 2016 but he happen to win those states. he did it in 2020 and doing it again. >> when you were talking, it reminded me, he has a low ceiling for his voters. he is not reaching out to an expanded group. he has to eviscerate his opponent, which is trying to do, and he also has to make it seem like people's votes don't count either. go after communities to suppress the vote that's a form of voter suppression. i have to ask about j.d. vance. you talk about j.d. vance in the most delicious way. he will debate tim walz tomorrow night. we will sit on the panel together for many hours but give a preview. what are you watching for? >> first of all, james david has one job. don't be weird. it will be hard for him because he is fundamentally weird. weird in a specific way. we talked about why he was

picked. was it to expand the base into even wider a dude prl. he doesn't have anything except for the younger millennial hard right ultra christian incel crowd and motivate them. i think that is why he was added . what he has to do on a national stage where he will have one chance to present himself against a older, more experienced, actual governor, coach, and a normal man. a normal guy. he has to try not to appear weird and try to overcome his deficits in the terms he said about women. tried to see more like a family man and normal person and try to suppress his search to eviscerate women for being useless incubators who if they have not pushed out a baby, have no right to have rights in the american system. >> what a time to be alive. before i let you go, this

debate, and you cover so many, it will happen amid a escalation in the middle east. you were talking about this on your show. the idea confirm limited ground operations began in lebanon. one of the most frequent attacks of fans and trump is a world is a fire in the biden/harris admin is to blame. how do you think they will handle that attack? how should governor walz handle that tomorrow night? >> there is no doubt that president biden's middle east policy is a dragon vice president harris. that is a fact, among younger voters and people concert about world war iii. it's attracting younger voters including younger voters of color away from her even if not toward trump. there's a certain vote that is a neither vote and it's because of the middle east and the fear the biden policy, his inability for whatever reason to stand up to netanyahu and get tough with him is leaving open the

possibility. that could potentially hurt this ticket to michigan. the kamala harris tim walz to get in places like michigan. it will suppress some of the younger voters. she has an advantage because she speaks with more compassion in terms of her use in the middle east. it is a risk. i think what tim walz is going to have to do, he will have to draw on his military experience. he has to say, look, i'm a man with military experience and i have compassion for the troops and i do not want them at war. i do not want to see young men and women having to march off to war in the middle east and we will have a policy that insures international laws followed and respects the views of americans who do not want deeper involvement in this region with our bodies on the line. that we understand and hear the people who have said, we want peace. do not allow donald trump to present himself as a peace candidate because we know there's one thing netanyahu

wants more than total war not to go to prison, it's donald trump to be president of the united states. if he got trump, he would be far worse, far more unleashed, and far more uninhibited in the things he would do to the people that a lot of peace voters care about. >> donald trump is like free reign, netanyahu, do what you want. there is rising anti-semitism and its concern too. he has to address that if there's a question. joy reid, i love talking with you and i will spend time with you tomorrow night. coming up, head of the vp to be, it's worth remembering. a vote for trump is a vote for j.d. vance. i will put the stakes in perspective, next. perspective, next.

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as you know well, tomorrow night, tim walz and j.d. vance will meet for the first and only vice presidential debate which is normal. as form obama campaign strategist, david, points out, there's something important to keep in mind. he writes, quote, vp debate are often little note. this will be different because trump is close to 80. a bit addled and still riddled by legal problems. this is a more than trivial chance that if trump is selected, j.d. vance will become president. that kind of puts things in perspective quite a bit.

remember, it wasn't too long ago the president biden's age was a constant fixation in right wing media. >> anyone floating for joe biden in this upcoming election must admit a vote for joe biden is a vote for kamala harris. >> we will call it as we see. a vote for joe biden is a foot for kamala harris. >> a vote for joe biden is a vote for kamala harris. >> a vote for joe biden is a vote for kamala harris. >> a vote for biden is a vote for harris. let's face it. >> now that the shoe was on the other foot, let's apply the same logic here. a vote for donald trump with 79 who sealed his person running for president is about to put j.d. vance next in line to the presidency. keep that in mind when they watch the debate. vance is not a typical pick. is a true maga acolyte with no moral compass at all. remember, he renounced his

criticism of trump when he thought it would be advantageous. he espouses crazy ideas like taxing people more if they do not have children. he traffics in conspiracy theories for his own political gain. despite the real-world consequences of those lies on his own constituents in ohio. unlike his boss, j.d. vance is not a circus performer. he can discuss policy in a cohesive manner less likely to completely self combust on stage. tomorrow may look and sound different from the debate a few weeks ago but the guy gone stages just as dangerous as trump and he is also half his age. former ohio congressman tim ryan is the last person to share the debate stage with j.d. vance and he joins me. oins me.

the last time j.d. vance was on the debate stage was in 2022. if his past performance is any indication he might know how to gaslight viewers even better than his boss. >> this is who he is running around with. talking about replacement they re-. marjorie taylor greene. >> to believe in the border, tim ryan thinks you -- this is what you do. you join nancy pelosi and chuck schumer and call your own people raises for daring to believe -- >> i am not calling --

>> joining mays former democratic congressman from ohio, tim ryan, who was on the debate stage that you just saw in that clip. you have so many great quotes out there where you talked about debating him. i have to read one. you said recently, he's got an audience of one. is got to impress donald trump. trump wants to see him be aggressive and if he is not saying the things travis said about world war iii and the rest, then dad is going to be mad. what does that look and sound like on the debate stage tomorrow? what should we be prepared for? >> some of the extremism. some of these hard-core positions. it will be more of the tone, more the attack mode, really being aggressive. i think flashes of anger. that's the thing that would impress a guy like donald trump. trying to pin him as extreme, out of touch, and all of that, that way he will go really hard. he has an audience of one.

>> he might be writing to make dad mad when it comes to the podium. we will never know. you with the last to debate him and you said he is not dumb. i don't think people should think he is dumb. a repeat of what we saw couple of weeks ago. what two people under race -- underestimate about him on the debate stage? >> he has an ivy league education. on paper, he should run away with the debate. he is very much able to get into new ones. he knows what he has to muddy the waters. he knows, and i think he still does, he knows when he is advocating for a position that may be out of the mainstream our will and -- alienate independent voters. that's when he goes into muddy the water mode and he will get nuanced. you have heard him talk before. you are like, what did he just say? you are not sure what he's even

talking about. diet mountain dew, mountain dew. that's a little bit of a strategy when he knows he is an unsafe ground when it comes to certain political positions. >> he has to keep up with his own evolution which feels hard. governor walz on the flipside, the other guy on the stage used to be your colleague in the house. he is your buddy. you said he was, quote, not the bloviating wannabe tough guy. how do you expect he will respond to vance's efforts not to make dad mad? >> he will stay mostly calm, but he will be aggressive. we have seen him on the stump. i think he will make the argument and he will make it in front of j.d. vance's face. i think he could push his buttons. he has that ability. anybody who grows up, you have a coach and that coach is not

afraid to get in your face. a state championship when a coach like tim walz. he will be aggressive but he will be in many ways the real father figure. the gentle man who is a strong person that the military service, the coaching, the teaching, the love of kids and his family, that's a -- that needs to come through. at the end of the day, if it's joyful warrior versus grumpy young guy trying to represent grumpy old guy, i think it will be a win. >> no question. i am looking forward to it. this could be the last debate we see before november so is quite a contrast. tim ryan, thank you for joining us. and for sharing your insights. people should not underestimate j.d. vance is my take. y take.

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as we have been talking about, there's a big first presidential debate. probably the last debate before the election. naturally, rachel maddow will lead the whole team for special coverage. lots of people at the table and lots of analysis about the vice presidential debate between j.d. vance and tim walz hosted by cbs news. coverage begins at 7:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. that does it for me. rachel maddow show starts right now.