later tonight. but we begin with the breaking news out of the middle east. the entire region bracing for what might happen next after iran fired a massive barrage of missiles. 180 of them according to officials toward israel. an all clear has been given but for hours millions of people were in a state of lockdown. air raid sirens sounding all across the country. video here shows israel's iron dome defense system intercepting the rockets from iran. according to a spokesperson for the israeli military, there are no indications of any casualties from the air strikes at this

time. here is what pentagon major general pat rider had to say about the attack. >> it is about twice as large in terms of the number of ballistic missiles that they launched from the west. you know, look, you don't launch that many missiles at a target without the intent of hitting something. so, absolutely. just like the last time. they're intent is to cause destruction. >> iran said it was in retaliation for at sassination of the leaders of the hezbollah and hamas in recent weeks and as israeli air defenses were fending off the missile attack, a shooting on ground in tel aviv has left eight people dead and nine wounded. one shooter reportedly got off of the mass transit and opened fire using a semi-automatic rifle. the united states played an active role in israel's defense with president joe biden directing u.s. forces to shoot

down missiles targeting israel. just moments ago, the white house posted this photo of president biden and vice president harris in the situation room this morning. the strikes come at an incredibly tense time for the entire region. the conflict continues between israel and iranian backed terror groups, a week before the first anniversary of the hamas terror attack on israel. that killed more than 1200 israelis, just one day after israeli forces launched raid news southern lebanon and three days after hezbollah confirmed the death of its leader hassan nas rolla. it is where we start today with rich engle. tell us what you're seeing and hearing and learning. >> reporter: so, we saw much of the ballistic missiles being intercepted overhead. we're in southern lebanon.

if you continue south from here, you get to the israeli border. so, we were able to see many of the ballistic missiles firing, flying overhead at very high altitude being intercepted by israeli missile defense systems, not just the iron dome, it also has called david's sling and other systems at play. we saw the action of american warships, because we are right on the mediterranean coast here as well. so, much of the image, much of what we saw play out a few hours ago was taking place right over our heads. then there was the ground assault. we're still in the early phases of it. but israel is now operating, according to officials, on the the ground inside of lebanon in small numbers. very close to the israeli-lebanon border. and so far, it is still just at the end of day one really of this new combat phase, ground

combat phase in lebanon. and so far there hasn't been much direct israel-hezbollah fighting. if you listen to statements from hezbollah or watch hezbollah official television channel, hezbollah is downplaying it. saying that israel hasn't really entered this country at all. that it is not a big deal. and that position, that posturing could be for one of two reasons. one, that hezbollah doesn't really have the capacity right now to confront israel because it is been so badly damaged, its leadership has been decimated, it's leader, hassan nasrallah was killed in a shocking move, a move that shocked many lebanese people as well, because hezbollah had seemed so powerful, almost had an air of invincibility that has been punctured here or it could be waiting and seeing if it could draw israeli troops further into lebanon territory before

attacking them. but at this stage, we're not seeing heavy ground fighting between israeli troops and hezbollah at this stage. >> richard engle, what is your understanding about how much warning there was ahead of time, and how you make the point about the israeli strike, that seemed to have the advantage of surprise. it sounds like the israelis were well prepared for what happened tonight from iran? >> reporter: well, you talked about what happened a year ago, on october 7th. that was a surprise attack that caught israel completely off guard. it was a -- an intelligence failure, a security failure. hamas was able to break out of gaza and penetrate into israel and carry out a massacre killing over 1200 people, taking hostages, committing atrocities,

still holding some hostages inside of gaza. that is when israel was surprised. israel is no longer willing to be surprised and is now on the offensive. and israel is proving to be far more effective when it is on the offensive as it has been over the last year in gaza, decimating hamas, destroying t the people of gaza pay a tremendous price. and when it has been on the offensive here against hezbollah, we saw those surprise sabotage attacks blowing up hezbollah's pagers, blowing up their walkie-talkies, assassinating the secretary general and now we're not seeing hezbollah's army, the fighters which are -- hezbollah claims there are 100,000 of them and analysts say it is closer to 50,000. we're not seeing them take the bait or go after israeli soldiers on the ground. so, israel is doing a lot to

re-establish its credibility andity capability as it goes on the offensive here and the big question that everyone across the region tonight is asking, i'm talking to many of my sources, several and at quite senior level in arab government, they are all scratching their heads trying to figure out what israel, what the prime minister will do next. will he use this as an opportunity to launch a war of regime change against iran? will it be some sort of symbolic response? has israel already proven what it needed to prove that it has competely recovered its reputation since october 7th. these are all unanswered questions as we are still in the early phases of a ground war here in lebanon and anticipating israel's very likely military response which could come quite soon for the failed, i think it

is fair to call it a failed missile barrage from iran over into israel tonight, much of the missiles being shot down here or over southern lebanon and over northern israel. >> richard engle, as you learn more for sources, we're on the air for another two hours, so just wave your arms and we'll get you back on the air. thank you very much for your report. >> reporter: absolutely. let me bring in to our coverage senior national security analyst, john brennan is here. with me at the table, former israel ambassador to the united states, michael orren is here with us in new york. let me play both of you what jake sullivan said about how he sees this state of affairs right now. >> we've had some initial discussions with the israelis in the aftermath of this at the military level and also at the white house to prime minister's office level. we'll continue those

conversations in the hours ahead. i'm not going to get ahead of anything. we want to have some deep consultations with the israelis and i'll have more to report after we get the opportunity for deeper discussions. this is a significant escalation by iran. a significant event and it is equally significant that we were able to step up with -- with israel and create a situation in which no one was killed in this attack in israel. so far as we know at this time. we are now going to look at what the appropriate next steps are to secure first and foremost american interests and then to promote stability to the maximum extent possible. >> director brennan, just pull back the curtain and help us understand what that means in terms of our role and in helping to stabilize the situation and support our allies in the region? >> well, nicolle, i think successive administrations have made it clear that we are dedicated to the defense of israel and we'll stand by israel whenever it is facing attacks

and that is what the biden administration is doing right now. but this close consultation is to critically important. i think it demonstrated today when the israeli and u.s. militaries were able to defeat this launch of ballustic missiles that was rained down on israel. and that takes place at the political level, through intelligence channels and military to military discussions as well. so right now we're witnessing the latest tragic chapter of this seemingly never ending cycle of violence in the middle east which has been the hallmark of the region for last 75 years. but i do believe that iran was watching hezbollah's destruction by israeli forces over the last ten days helplessly and they felt compelled by domestic and regional pressure to respond in some manner, which is why they opted for the missile trikes. again, i think israel has demonstrated military prowess in

terms of how it is able to conduct offensive operations. but also it is ability to defend itself against these types of attacks that are coming especially from iran. >> mr. ambassador, first tell us your understanding of what happened and if all of the reports we're hearing that there are no casualties from the missile strikes, we'll talk about the shooting and there which tragically eight people have lost their lives and nine others are injured. but tell us your understanding of the strike. >> well, first of all, go to be with you. outstanding reporting about richard engle. personal. last couple of hours i've been on the phone with my children and my six grandchildren, all of them in bomb shelters in different parts of israel. looking at that shooting in java, i live about 50 yards from that shooting and calling on neighbors to see if everyone is okay. >> is everyone accounted for. >> everyone is accounted for.

a little shaken because there were huge explosions as the rockets were hit in the air and the shrapnel raining down. so this is intensely personal. israel is going to react. i mean, last time, on april 14th, when iran fired some 350 projectiles, not as many ballistic missiles and the united states played a instrumental role and in bringing down those rockets. there was one girl who was hurt but no one was killed. the biden administration was able to prevail over israeli decision makers and say don't respond in a major way or as president biden said take the win. and israel responded by sending a rocket to hit a military installation close to a iranian nuclear facility and that sent a message, but tonight i think it is too late. it is too late for israel to show that type of restraint again.

this was a severe violation of really the dna of the state, which is to protect the citizens and the jewish people and israel will respond. now the question is how it will respond. it will respond, could be against oil installations in the persian gulf. that is during the reagan days or even against some of the nuclear installations. >> inside iran. >> understood iran. >> do you think that is imminent. >> i think the response will come quickly. the delay in the response, it causes the belly, the region for launching it will weaken with every passing day. so, to let iran know if it is going to send rockets to israel and some of them packed a wallop of about 1200 pounds of tnt. that wouldn't take down a building, it would take down a neighborhood and kill thousands of people. if one of them got through, but if one had and the big question is what is america's position.

>> believe we have some fresh sound from president joe biden. he answered that question for us. >> based on what we know now, the attack has been defeated and ineffective and this is testament to israeli and u.s. capability. and it is also a testament to the planning to the united states and the israel to anticipate and defend against the brazen attack. and make no mistake, the united states is fully, fully, fully supportive of israel. and i just got -- spent the morning and part of the afternoon in the situation room and leading with my -- meeting with my whole national security team and consulting with the israelis directly in terms of their impact on us and the security team has been there constant contact with israeli officials and their counterparts and it is going to continue to be brought throughout the day.

we're still sharing updates and when we get them, and we'll do that and now i want to turn to what we're going to be talking about today. the damage done by this horrible -- >> what do you hear there? more importantly for him -- from mr. netanyahu. >> great, truly exquisite cooperation. that is what it is about. it is the deepest strategic alliance which the united states has with any other county. that requires a tremendous amount of coordination to get military assets minute middle east to sort of cooperate with israeli defense systems and to work together in split-seconds. these rockets are firing the speed of sound to take down the rockets. that is great. the big question is, clearly and here we get political, the president does not want to get -- see a wider regional conflict than we have now a few weeks before the electionsment

on the eve of vice presidential debate. he would like to see israel respond in a contained way. i don't believe, i don't believe that the type of restraint that israel shows last time in april, it will be able to show this time and that the israeli response will be much more robust. >> you presume that there is a political lens through which joe biden is looking at the decision. do you ser perceive a -- >> certainly domestically yes. they're expecting the prime minister to order that type of rove bust response and quickly. there are rumors that there is some kind of interpretation that netanyahu wants to influence the elections here. i can't comment about that. but anything who thinks that is losing spite of the fact that eepts transpire so fast in the middle east and even if there were a change of party into the white house and that is not until january, and so i think

that is not relevant. but what will happen in the next 24 hours is very important. i understand certainly the administration reluctance to see this regional conflict and it is already a regional conflict to widen and in a way that could involve the united states. i'm strongly of the belief and have been for many years now that the cycle of violence is not a cycle, it has an origin and that is called iran and until iran is made to pay a price, the violence will continue and i would love to see, i very much welcome a situation in the united states where the united states is not acting to defend israel but is also extracting that price from iran. >> director brennon, you're reaction to everything you've heard from the president and from the ambassador? >> well, i could just say that president biden throughout his administration has always wanted to prevent a wider conflict in the middle east. because it has unknown, untold implications as far as the interest of the region as a whole and the number of individuals would could be

killed by another regional war. so, i know that there are certain political considerations that may arise prior to the u.s. presidential election. whether it be in israel or here in the united states. but i do think that the biden administration will continue to try to council restraint. and i have a disagreement with ambassador orren as far as i do believe that large punitive strikes is away to address the situation. i do agree they need to be contained. they have a clear message sent to them. that this type of attack today was unacceptable. but a large scale israeli attack against iran, i think, really could trigger a regional conflict that would have impact on the oil supplies, interest in the region and it could bring the entire region into flames. and so clearly israel has made a lot of progress in terms of defanging hamas as well as hezbollah. it was with devastating attacks

and hezbollah is in disarray right now. but i think we should try to prevent an escalation that to spiral out of control that will be not in anyone's interest, including in israel's. >> what is the end game? >> well for israel it is to survive. to restore regional security and deterrence and power as was mentioned by richard engle earlier. we have 100,000 people displaced in the north, they have to return to their homes tlx are still tens of thousands in the south that haven't returned to homes. israelis can't conduct their normal lives. >> explain that to our viewers. they are refugees within israel because it is not safe to live in large swaths of the country. what that like. >> if you're living in the galilee, the area precious to a lot of the people. they have destroyed thousands of houses, killed dozens and by the

way incinerated about 75,000 acres of farm land. so it is a war zone. it is a total war zone. i know i'm rather advanced in age but i was serving in the army there last summer and i saw firsthand, you can't live. it was a young man killed up the road from me by shrapnel. so you can't conduct your normal life or send your kids to school. if you are evacuated, your living with three or four kids in one hotel room. so it is not a sustainable situation. the country, why this country was created. it was created to protect the jewish people and if you lose the northern part of the country, you lose the country itself. and so it is an existential situation for the state of israel. it has no choice. and in israel we divide between wars of choice and no choice. this is a war of no choice. even the people who are protesting against the government, trying to pressure the prime minister to make a better deal to homeas to get the release of the hostages, it is not an anti-war rally. they are supportive of israel taking very robust military

action in the north and many of them are picking up guns as going up north as reserve soldiers. so it is a different situation. and the attack by iran, the people of israel will expect the government to respond in a very immediate and punishing way to the iranians, to extract that price from that regime so nobody could fire these massive rockets at our population, terrorize the population, nobody was hurt but everyone was terrorized and the economy and everything froze and we don't know the connection between the iranian attack and this terrorist attack down the street from my home in java. they both secured at the same time. i don't think that is a coincidence. >> brennon, you get last word. >> there is a lot of displacement of lebanese and palestinians from gaza and there have been over 45,000 lives that have been lost over the last

year. and yes, we could all point fingers in terms of that hamas instigated this on october 7th of last year, but at the same time we're trying to reduce the loss of life going forward and if we could find a way to have some type of sense of peace and stability in the region, and not just use military might, which clearly israel has a lot of it, but these are just long standing problems that need to be addressed at their root and at their cause and i do believe that palestinians self-determination is something that we need to continue to pursuit. >> director and ambassador, thank you both so much for spending time with us and starting us off this hour. still to come for us, the vice presidential debate. the one and only. what could be the last big stage for any of the candidates ahead of the november election. we'll look at how each running mate will try to make the case tonight for their candidacy. a lot of reporters and friends joining us on set ahead. and you could watch the entire debate from start to

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happening in just a few hours, a few blocks from here, what is very likely to be the last side-by-side contrast between the two presidential campaigns before election day. presented by each side's number two, the high school history teacher and football coach, versus the venture capitalist and self-proclaimed joyful

warrior. the only thing they have in common is that their both from the midwest. so just a few years ago, minnesota governor tim walz and ohio senator j.d. vance also had one other thing in common. they both believed and said they believed that donald trump was a threat to america and america's democracy. j.d. vances that described donald trump in harsher terms than anyone who has appeared on it program. he called donald trump america's hitler. he called him, quote, a total fraud. and quote, a moral disaster and, quote, cultural heroin. we could go on and on. now that view of donald trump and what he represents is gone from j.d. vance's lips, now we have a j.d. vance 2.0, if you will, who is in stead confined to our truth and the rule of law and there is the endless disdain

for us specific, women and in a rathery creepy obsession with our biological clocks. >> should a woman be forced to carry a child to term after she has been the victim of incest or rape? >> we want women and young boips in the womb to have the right to life. >> i think two wrongs don't make a right. >> this is one of the great tricks that i think the sexual revolution pulled on the american popolous, that this idea, well these marriages were fundamentally, you they were maybe even violent, but certainly they were unhappy, and so getting rid of them and making it easier for people to shift spouses like they change their underwear, that is going to make people happier in the long-term. >> we're run in this country via the democrats, via our corporate oligarchs by a bunch of childless cat ladies and they want to make the rest of the country miserable too. >> and i think there is something comparable between

abortion and slavery. i would like abortion to be illegal nationally. i'm sympathetic to the view, here is a the situation. let's say roe v. wade is overrule and then every day georgia soreos sends a 747 to columbus, to load up disproportional black women to get them to have abortions in california and of course the left will celebrate this as a victory for diversity. >> clearly this value set has made me a miserable person who can't have kid because i already passed the biological period when it was possible and i live in a 1200 square foot apartment in new york and i pay $5,000 a month for it, but i'm really better than these other people, what i'm going to do is project my racial and gender sensitivities on the rest of them. >> if i had been vice president, i would have told the states like pennsylvania and georgia and so many others that we needed to have multiple slates of electors and i think the u.s. congress should have fought over it from there. that is the legitimate way to deal with an election that a lot

of folks including me had a lot of problems in 2020. >> we need a program but like a de-woke program in the united states. we should seize the administrative state for our own purposes and fire all of people. every single midlevel bureaucrat and every civil serve about and replace them with our people. >> your republican ticket, ladies and gentlemen, the story of j.d. vance's capitulation or transformation, or master class in b.s. to now worship trump is the story of the republican party in these times. it is just more stark as everything is in 2024. comments like the ones you heard is also why j.d. vance is deeply unpopular just about everywhere. he has the lowest approval rating of any running mate in the history of nbc news polling on the question. now on the debate stage tonight, with the mics unmuted and no

live audience, two minutes for an answer, one minute for a rebuttal, it will fall to tim walz to make sure that the american people understand what we just showed you. that j.d. vance sits at the ideological frontier of the maga far right with the deep ties to the people behind project 2025, that extreme and widely disliked blueprint for donald trump to rule country like an autocrat and also be up against someone who has no problem lying if it works to his advantage. even if it means throwing his own constituentser in the bus. remember what he said about peddling lies about haitian immigrants. >> it wasn't just a meme. >> i have to create stories to the american media pay as tension to the suffering of american people. then that is what i'm going to do. >> i have to lie just to make you cover it. oh, well. now fortunately, for the harris campaign, and tim walz, they have a pretty effective attack

dog. someone who critics of trump and vance propelled him to be on the ticket and on the national stage in the first place. >> these are weird people on the other side. they want to take books away. they want to be in in your exam room. >> here is the thing. it is an agenda nobody asked for. it is a agenda that served nobody except the richest and the most extreme amongst us. and it is an agenda that does nothing for our neighbors in need. is it weird? absolutely. absolutely. but it is also wrong. and it's dangerous. >> joining us at the table, minnie, the president of reproductive freedom for all and tim miller, former rnc spokesperson, host of the

bulwark podcast and here on set covering the trump-vance campaign, michael bender is here. so, what is vance do to prepare after he's gone on tv and advocated for all of these deeply unpopular positions? >> well, i think that is part of his debate prep. is subjecting himself to repeated interviews, going beyond just the friendly confined of conservative media. do sunday shows and more mainstream media where he'll take some more harder questions and they feel comfortable with the way he performed in that atmosphere that he could stay largely on message in the campaign. and also preparing himself for tonight. i know that the vance team feels very much like there is not a question that he can get tonight that he hasn't fielded whether in an interview or this plane with the traveling press that i've been part of it so far this campaign, or at his rallies where he's taken an unusual step of including a reporter q&a as

part of those events. >> what about the like ability issue and the fact that we're stuck so much is that donald trump is saying they're not calling me weird. they're calling him weird. >> that is my big question for tonight. i think most americans have only seen j.d. vance in a few second clips on social media, here and there. they clearly don't like what they've seen so far. but the thing to remember, about j.d. vance, is he is skilled and smart and talented and he's sort of all of these different things. he's an ivy league educated attorney but also with a foot, a family from appalachia and rural ohio. he was a harsh as a never trumper as he is pro-trump now. he came from this online sort of ultra online conservative at the very combative and sarcastic to make points and win likes and

but he also knows that singular activity of scrolling on your phone, liking comments, sharing is much different from -- than what is projected on a tv screen in center of a shared living room. and he's very careful to come across in these kind of settings like tonight and in interviews, as respectful and well mannered. he won't change too much of what he said, but it is more of how he said it. and this is a big challenge for him in the '22 senate race. he wants to show viewers that he's different from the caricature that his opponents have portrayed. whether he could do that tonight while defending his position and defending donald trump is going to be a real needle to thread there. >> it is been an unbelievable effort to lower expectations for governor tim walz, why do you think? >> i think the point just made. i mean, j.d. vance is a strong

debater. he's a showman. he's used to going out there and saying whatever needs to say. tim walz, while he's a skilled public figurer he's a politician, a moderate member of congress who knew how to reach across the aisle. he knows how to communicate and in a plain spoken way. this is not necessarily his strong suit. so i think it is a reasonable thing that they've been downplaying expectations. but i actually think tim walz is the perfect antidote in so many ways to j.d. vance and i'm hoping that he focused less on getting punched in and more on drawing the couldn't -- drawing the contrast. because the clips were so damning. so let j.d. vance be j.d. vance and pull that out of him. >> well, i mean, j.d. might be the only person in america that has done more podcasts than me. an astonishing play of clips.

>> and there is more. we only have two hours. >> so he's spent a lot of time on podcasts and a yale debater. so this is his wheelhouse. he's going to know tim walz and kamala harris's record back and forth. he's going to have his snarky bon mots ready. so i think that is why the walz people are rightly to be nervous. debating in a minnesota congressional race is like not the same as this. and so, i think there is good reason for him to be a little bit concerned. on the other side, he has negative charisma. he's so unappealing. and i'm looking out for, i think vance will be pretty good about the back and forth with walz. because he's practiced and done this. the two moderators, two women, nora and margaret brennan could j.d. help himself but attack them. his whole brand is attacking the

media. one time he was asked in a gaggle, what makes him happy and his answer was, like, making fun of the media or something. i don't know if you were there. >> being angry. >> attacking the media. >> oh, my gosh. >> and he prevented himself from attacking and reinforcing this view of himself that he kind of doesn't like women, that he particularly hates strong educated women and that being condescending and critical to the moderators, i think it is tough to resist that and that could be a bad look for him didn't. >> no one is going anywhere. we have to sneak in a quick break but we'll be right back on the other side.

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donald trump has been attacking kamala harris's racial identity. >> he has not been. but ask your question. >> do you believe kamala harris is black? >> i believe that kamala harris is whatever she said she is. >> you do criticize her, as you just did, the democratic party for being anti-family. >> i do. >> you called out kamala harris and pete buttigieg in particular. kamala harris has two step children. pete buttigieg and his husband have adopted twins. >> i never dana, criticize people for not having kids. he criticize for being anti-child. >> you're saying tim walz doesn't have affection for his wife. >> i said he acted weird on a national stage in front of his wife and in front of millions of

americans. >> i don't even know what to ask you. but i guess what i could say in a debate where j.d. vance is good, he's taken this seriously and that is what you do if you go to -- i went to public school, at prep parties and thai debating each other, and i don't know because i didn't go to ivy league. but how do you -- what he's good at is projecting how mean and hateful he is. is there a shield from the viewing public. >> i don't think so. the condescending fake laugh thing is one of the most unappealing things i've seen of a politician and he's not been authentic. he's putting on a persona. and i think that that persona doesn't work in a donut shop. i think it could work okay if he's getting in ray back and forth with tim walz and walz is getting flustered because j.d. is peppering him with different attacks an i think that is the

dynamic that walz should try to avoid. i think that needs to be in a state where he's rolling his eyes, what is with the weird guy's mean attacks, why are you so obsessed with women. we care about x, y and z. i hope that is what they've been working on tonight. because i think that to me, just watching those clips, j.d. seemed so appealing as bristling as he is. it is different when you're supposed to be debating someone, maybe that is soft and maybe it is not as hard -- >> there is the issue of j.d. vance massive amount of debating skill, but there is the reality that all of it is, to quote bill barr, bullshit. he's likely to attack democratic women, and the other is lgbtq plus issues. here is what j.d. vance believes, this is from him. the more white people feel like

voter for trump, the more black people will suffer. i'm counting my lucky stars that i don't have to vote for her because the margin will be so huge because i could never support trump. he's just a bad man, a morally reprehensible human being. i worry most of all about how welcome muslim citizens feel in their own country but i believe people have believed crazy shift and there have demagogues, what seems different to me is the republican party offers nothing that is as tractive as the demagogue. >> i love that guy. >> that is the terrifying part. as you said, he's a shape shifter. and he's so good at flat out just lying calmly. bald faced about his policy positions. his own real feelings. and this act that he's putting on to be, you know, the

sycophant to donald trump. so, again, agree with tim, tim walz' job tonight is to just focus on policy. he's folksy and charismatic, but what he's great on is policy. as governor of minnesota, he's led that state through incredible achievements including passing one of the most comprehensive reproductive passes in any state. he needs to lean on that and his relationship with his wife and kids and their journey using reproductive technology and they draw such a clear contract with j.d. vance. is he going to say that he supports ivf and he doesn't have disdain for american women. i don't think people will believe it. >> maybe he'll say that. >> but will it be believable. >> and they don't seem to try to be believable. which is what makes him a dicey person to prep for. i want to get your reporting to

empty that notebook of yours. so tempty about prep. i have to sneak in a quick break. we'll be right back. in a quick break. we'll be right back.

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[ inaudible ]. two dozen and a lot of glazes and some sprinkle stuff and some cinnamon roles. >> if you're going to a nebraska football game and you stop at runs. i think it is the bread consistenty. get this guy on tv. thanks for the work you're doing. it matters, appreciate it. >> michael, i love your analysis that he came from this sort of scroll sphere. because he does land them. the debate is very different. this is his comfort zone, behind the podium. that he makes things up and creates so there is not any awkwardness about whether he's telling the truth when the answers the question. how does it play to things that he wasn't walked away from. and his belief, in the televised interview, not a scoop, but he

believe that's women should stay in marriages even if they're violent. how does he -- do you think he'll be calling on to defend any of those positions. >> i think he should be expected to called on about the comments and that is where that weird attack resonated so much. i've had people describe it to me this way. trump is 78. he's sort of forgiven for being elderly from a different time and not changing with the times. vance just turned 40 last month. it is a little more jarring to hear the views from someone vance's age. so again, bringing it back to what we were talking about earlier, the trick is how he describes this. is this keeping women in the home or is it trying to figure out a way to support, give more support to families and he has been -- he has been practicing this. i mentioned all of the interviews he's done. but it is not just that.

they're not just going out there and talking to media and calling it a day. he's done several regular murder boards with his team and sessions where advisers pummel him with questions an different issues. and had a mock debate a couple of days ago back in cincinnati. and they recruited someone to play governor walz. they wanted a -- someone from the midwest would knew walz, who could kind of had that folksy vibe to them. and they found tom emmer. who is a house member from minnesota, served with walz in the house for a little while so knows him well. he's sort of has that kind of -- loves to talk about sports and walz is a football coach and emmer is a former college hockey player. and even emmer took this seriously. i know the vance team was delighted when emmers folked sent them pictures. emmer had a mock debate of the mock debate. he was preparing for j.d. vance.

so they are taking this seriously and putting the work in. and we'll see the results of all of that tonight. >> we'll all be watching. i wonder, one of harris's very fine moments, one of her finest, but the whole thing was so -- exceeded expectations is when she turned to donald trump and talked about how people think he's a disgrace and since she said that stanley mcchrystal has endorsed kamala harris and this massive escalation in the middle east. and i wonder if you think there is an opportunity for governor walz to do something along those lines. >> absolutely. i'm been thinking about the classic line where he said it is none of your damn business. i feel like we need that moment tonight. and if j.d. vance is talking about policies that really affect our fundamental freedoms, not just abortion access but so many of the regressive positions he's taken, it is the perfect opportunity for tim walz to call

him out and saying you're infringing on our privacy and the weird line gets laughs but i think it is really applicable here and i think it has the opportunity to make j.d. vance nervous and awkward. and weird is the thing that makes trump nervous about j.d. vance. >> and that is maybe over his head a little bit. he has to please the boss and the boss has been worried about him. >> because he's weird. >> it adds to it. one more thing before the show. i don't -- walz, i think for good reason, harris-walz has not been making the democracy argument the centerpiece of the campaign. it would be nice to get one mention on the stage about how mike pence isn't there. it is interesting. that donald trump has a new vp. and this -- he had an opportunity to stick with his old vp and you sent him off to get him and the only reason he's on the ticket is because last

guy who stood with trump through child separation, through many of the steps mechanical and legal and lie based of the efforts to overturn the 2020 election drew the line at not fulfilling his ceremonial role as certifying the votes. that is the only reason mike pence isn't there. >> and i bet they haven't talked. we haven't heard any reporting that they've talked. it is kind of interesting. >> have pence and vance talked? >> the previous vice president, you think you would call him and ask for tips for the debate. >> he didn't endorse vance and trump. >> he did try to -- >> yeah, amazing. thank you so much for being us anxious, excited, eager, curious about tonight. they all apply. thank you so much. up next for us, we'll turn back to the conflict in the middle east. new comments from vice president kamala harris at the top of the next hour. much more still to come. don't go aniy.

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we should elect them for the character because we don't know what is going to come up. those things come into a presidency in a way that test the mental and the character of the person in that office. >> you have a former president now running for the presidency again. you seem to have core character questions. is he fit for office nor not. >> let' be honest. why would a retired military officer come on to endorse his opponent. >> you tell me. >> because i think character is very important. and so i'm voting for character. i'm voting for kamala harris. >> so we face a critical choice. to vote for someone who stands with our military and stands up for democracy, or someone who will disrespect our heroes, and undermine our democracy. my fellow americans, there is ome one choice.

one choice. >> hi there, everyone. it is now 5:00 in new york. we're just a few hours before the debate. what may be the last debate before voter goes to the polls 35 days from today and putting the question of character and judgment under the microscope for the viewers. people like former secretary of defense leon panetta and stanley mcchrystal has warned that the democratic ticket has and now to underscore how vital those qualities will be and are in any american president, comes news that earlier today iran launched at least 180 ballistic missiles at israel. a brazen attack that could inflame a region that was already in a political powder keg. this is what it looked and sounded like in tel aviv as a ber anl of ballistic missiles

rained down. [ sirens ] >> so in case it isn't clear. that was the sound of sirens. we should note today's attack on israel ended shortly after it began. the israeli military said most of the missiles were intercepted and said that as of now there were no immediate reports of casualties. the attack comes one day after israeli forces launched a ground invasion into lebanon aimed at hobbling hezbollah, iran's revolutionary guard said it was retaliation today for the assassination of hezbollah's leader last saturday. a white house official reity ated that the united states will

help defend israel and something that antony blinken echoed a short time ago. >> a few hours ago, iran for the second time in the space of five months, launched a direct attack on israel. including some 200 ballistic missiles. this is totally unacceptable and the entire world should condemn it. initial reports suggest that israel with the active support of the united states and other partners, effectively defeated this attack. we demonstrated once again our commitment to israel's defense. we'll remain in very close touch with israel and other partners in the region in the hours and days ahead. >> and it is worth repeating that today's events shine the light on the fragile nature of the middle east and the foreign policy challenges the current and next american president will face. today, president joe biden and vice president kamala harris convened two meetings with their national security team in the

situation room. the president directed the u.s. military to aid israeli defense against iranian attacks and to shoot down missiles targeting israel. they also reviewed preparations to protect any u.s. personnel in the region. moments ago, vice president harris spoke about today's attack on israel. watch. >> today iran launch add proximately 200 ballistic missiles at israel. in a reckless and brazen attack. i condemn this attack unequivocally. i'm clear-eyed. iran is a destabilizing and dangerous force in the middle east and today's attack on israel only further demonstrates that fact. earlier today, i was in the situation room with president biden and our national security team. as we monitor the attack in real time and ensured that the protection of u.s. personnel in the region is paramount. >> as we've said, this is a fluid situation. one that is certain to come up

in tonight's debate. it is where we start the hour with nbc news foreign correspondent erin mclaughlin in jerusalem. what are you seeing and hearing and learning? >> reporter: well, nicolle, we just heard from the israeli prime minister addressing israel in the wake of this attack from iran. in that address, he said, quote, iran made a big mistake tonight and it will pay for it. i was just on a zoom call with an israeli military spokesperson, nadav, he was in a undisclosed location in central israel hit by a missile. he said it had been hit by shrapnel and giving me a tour of the destruction. it was a residential area and also pointed to one of the missiles hitting a school in central israel as well as a number of other locations. both in central israel and as

well as southern israel. he was describing this as the largest ballistic missile attack ever launched on israel. in israel's history. they're taking this attack extraordinarily seriously. we know there was a meeting tonight in tel aviv at the military headquarters where they're calibrating a potential response. what that response will be, we do not know. telling me it will be a political decision on the part of the israeli prime minister, nicolle. >> erin, former ambassador to the united states michael orren questioned on this program whether the shooting which resulted in the death of eight israelis and injured for nine others may have been connected or coordinated. do you have any reporting on the details or where is the investigation into that? >> reporter: yeah, that investigation, nicolle, is underway at the moment. there has been no connection

made between the attack that unfolded in jaffa, near tel aviv earlier today, and the barrage of missiles, more than 180 missiles launched from iran. no connection has been made by israeli officials as yet. what we do know is that attack happened just shortly before that missile strike. in fract, i was on the air describing that attack as we were getting that information in and then we heard the siren sound and then the missiles fell. according to israeli police, two suspected gunman were riding the metro there in java. they got out of the metro, one of the gunman began to indiscriminately open fire killing at least six and injuring more before those two men were killed by israeli police. that is what we know so far. but again, the investigation is ongoing. >> erin mclaughlin, an intense and hissy night of news.

thank you so much for talking to us about it. joining our coverage, "new york times" correspondent michael crowley is here and refired four star general barry mccaffrey is here. barry, take us through your assessment of what it means that israel is saying that there will be a response and it will be -- it sounds like what they're trying to say is it will be a big one. >> well, they're chilling words. israel is under massive attack. from gaza, by the hamas remnant, 10,000 and some who have been killed, from hezbollah, with presumably 120,000 or more rockets and missiles that they have not just been able to deploy. from some extent from syria and now the houthis and now the

second state attack by iran on israel proper. and to our technical astonishment, they were able to defeat both of the iranian attacks. at some point the idf has to respond. and not just with a calibrated political gesture, but with a gin win attack. the iranians are vulnerable, they have 35 israeli fighter aircraft, they're fuel system, oil fields are extremely vulnerable. and they'll go after the nuclear capabilities, the irans have been painfully constructing. that may well trigger a regional war not wanted by any of the belligerence involved. so it is a tough situation. the biden administration has been good at trying to head off regional war, with secretary of state tony blinken and lloyd austin, but at this point we

have no leverage. israel is fighting for its existence. >> let me show what you -- to show you what they have to say about this. >> -- it could be very painful counteroffensive. i don't think that israel wants to expend this into an all-out war with iran. but i don't think that there is in country in the world which is been attacked by 180 munitions of this size and this nature to center of the country, forcing 10 million pop to seek shelter, defending themselves from these missiles that wouldn't react in the manner that would be -- take care of repeating whether this

will be the nature of our reaction tonight. well, you know, the last attack 120 some odd ballistic missiles which very little impact on the target areas. one poor young girl was killed but essentially it was a completely failed mission. and it would knock down by cent com forces along with jordanian support and obviously the very sophisticated israeli defense system. but this can't go on. you can't say, hey, you missed me again. these are one ton warheads.

if a dozen of them hit apartment house and schools and hospitals in tel aviv, there will be significant casualties and the flight time launch to impact on the target is a dozen minutes. so israel cannot continue to live under this level of threat. what do they do about it? they have limited options. i think they're on the the -- on the verge of going after targets and that would include iran's nuclear capability. and i might add, i don't think that the israelis could knock out the iranian nuclear capabilities. too well protected. it is too far under ground. the u.s. air force could do it if you gave them 60 to 90 days but not the isd. we're on the verge of a different nuclear deterrent in the womaning year. >> michael crowley, what is your latest reporting?

>> well, nicolle, i think that right now the key issue in washington is the biden administration watching to see this israeli response doing their best to shape a response that is to some degree limited. we're in this incredibly delicate sort of stage craft of these warring actors throwing military punches and counter punches. and trying to calibrate them in a way where ideally you strike a blow, that looks -- that makes you look strong, that satisfies hardliners and you're own population, that want vengeance, that want to strike out but which doesn't escalate the conflict farther than you want it to go. and by all assessments, neither iran nor israel and certainly not the united states want this thing to spiral out into a total free for all. so, what the biden administration is trying to do right now is talk to the israelis about what they're

going to do and is there a kind of a strike that they could mount that strikes a blow at the iranians, but doesn't require a massive iranian response. and what i think they really are looking for is a do-over of what happened in april. the iranians fired 300 missiles and drones at israel, similar to this attack. although this attack involved ballistic missiles which are more serious. there were basically no casualties, and the damage was quite limited. and the israelis struck back in a very targeted way against an iranian air defense system near one of their nuclear sites which sent a message to the iranians saying we could get you anywhere because that was a modern sophisticated air system and it didn't stop the israeli attack. and one reason i'm confident that the biden administration is hoping we could see a replace of that and this is my last

comment, and that we're hearing back in april what they said was israel successfully defended the attack and it failed and they're saying it again now. the attack was a failure. israel and the you the was able to stop and so they are trying to show of israeli and american allied support in stopping the iranians and trying to set a tone where israel doesn't have to flex too hard, doesn't have to throw a big punch. very last thing i will say, if they go after the iranian nuclear program, that the crown jewel of iran government going back decades that could have a wild escalation. there are hardliners that want to do that. i think right now that could be a nightmare scenario for biden officials. >> i heard what you're saying in president joe biden described it as a failed attack by iran.

but there seems to be an asymmetry. what is the israelrys are talking about is the fact that 10 million people spent the evening in shelters and they can't live like this. are they sort of looking at different parts of same political equation and just arriving at different conclusions or are they misaligned on the scale of the response, michael? >> well, nicolle, a lot of it is how you -- what your perspective is and not just, some is where are you personally and physically. there is a visceral emotion and israelis have said for months that americans never really appreciated what it feet like in israel on and after october 7th. they were saying think about how you felt in the weeks after september 11th. so when you tell us not to overreact, how easy was that for you after september 11th. so we have had that kind of conversation. but what you will hear from

biden administration officials, is don't let the emotions carry away and if it does go on, you're going to have more attacks like this and more of the same and there is going to be worse and we have to find a way out of it, where the rockets stop flying. i don't know where the answer is. i don't think anyone knows the long-term answer to that question. but if you hit them even harter, they're going to do come and do this in another couple of weeks and you might suffer more damage and where does it stop. >> general mccaffrey, i'll give you last word. >> i think we ought to pay agreat attention to what is going on in lebanon. hezbollah was 50,000 ground fighters and a ballistic missile capabilities and the stated objective to return 80,000 civilians to their home and stop the continuing 8,000 some odd missiles already fired by

hezbollah at israel, it is not going to work as a short, limited ground incursion. israelis have two divisions up on the border now and they've just called up two armored brigade, at some point they must go in on the ground if they expect to end the missile threat to israel. that will be a bloody night more for both sides, but i don't see any way out unless hezbollah cracks and decides for a cease-fire. so far there is no indication of that. the israelis have shredded their command and control and they are confused on the battlefield. >> i guess i would ask for you both of you could stay close to your cameras in the coming days. we're going to need you. staffer -- thank you for starting us today. tonight's vice presidential debate and the big opportunity for tim walz. how his past debate performances might offer clues in what he will try to do on the debate stage tonight. our political panel joins us

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single issue. >> is that fear-mongering. >> i haven't seen the ad. >> you have seen it. >> i don't watch tv during last few weeks. >> i'm proud of minnesota's response and of minnesota's first responders would were out there from firefighters to police to the national guard. >> you heard it. he just told you i'm proud of minnesota's response. >> i said i was proud of the first responders. >> agree that our strength does lie in our people, but what you're never hear from our governor is that minnesotans are lady. >> if you believe in the people, invest in our children and our teachers and don't you dare calls you lazy. >> for 90 minutes this evening, that man, tim walz, congressman and governor now vice presidential nominee, will be the party standard bearer. tonight he'll be the democrat's primary messenger. so it will fall to him not just to communicate the harris-walz

vision, but to show case the contrast of trump and vance but to construct the record and advocate for truth off a self-admitted liar who admits to creating stories for attention even if they harm or threaten his own constituents. that is why there is new attention on what walz has said and done if past debates. "new york times" reports those that works with him on past debates said he doesn't enjoy the format of the preparation preferring retail politics and less scripted settings instead. mr. vance is said to love debates and he, walz, does not have the smooth lawyerly style of many other politicians. that is his challenge and also his charm accord to observers. quote, he's developed a capacity owe just plainly say what he means. in ways that avoid the rhetoric. and res on ate with people said the mayor of st. paul,

minnesota. joining our conversation, former republican congressman and political analyst david jolly is back plus msnbc senior analyst mad dowd is here with me ott the table and host of how to win 2024 podcast claire mccaskill is back. claire, you look worried? >> well i'm always nervous when stuff matters and it is important. you know, it caught my eye today an opinion piece in "the new york times" and it really struck a cord in my heart. because the premise of this opinion piece was that vance has been disqualified by virtue of saying that he -- that he would have stopped the peaceful transfer of power. he would have gone outside of the constitution and refused to do the pro forma certification of the electors. and claimed he would do it if he were vice president in the future. so he has said that he will not

follow the constitution. so, he's disqualified from even out of the gate. the other thing that i think tim walz has to do tonight is expose something that also came to me today when i was think being this debate. we don't know what vance's core is. what is his core? how do you go from saying donald trump is america's hitler, to saying he's a wonderful man who i would follow to the ends of the earth. what is the core character of someone that goes from that to that. we're not taking about changing position on an issue. we're not talking about fracks or not fracking. we're talking about saying a man is horrible to he's my guy. >> yeah, that is so interesting. >> that is a core. >> and listen, david jolly, i've covered trump for nine years, there is no one whose private kents as reported by journalists or colleagues suggest that they've converted this direction

on trump. in nine years there has never been a report by cnn or the washington post or the "wall street journal" going from thinking he's hitler to thinking he's great. there is not one example. we learned that kevin mccarthy on january 6 thought the same things that we all did. that he should be impeached if that was too slow, they should look at the 25th amendment. we know that mitch mcconnell who took to the chamber to refer trump criminally for what he views things worthy of criminal investigation and potentially prosecution, he privately shared the views about donald trump that many people on this show do. but j.d. vance is the only person that we've ever covered that have gone the other way on trump, to have seen him as hitler. i anchored this show for eight, nine years and no one has ever called donald trump on that either. more venom from donald trump and

j.d. vance's mouth than any official and any one that i've talked to, that j.d. vance went from seeing trump as being america's hitler to being his number two. what is that? >> a weak person and unprepared to lead the united states with consistency and sobriety. he will be an kid on the stage next to walz. and for all of the lampooning of lindsey graham flip-flop, he had the most honest answer was in 2016, i wanted to go into this direction, donald trump wants the party to go in the other and he beat me so i'm following the direction the party wants to go. still not leadership but honest. and i think that is what we're seeing from j.d. vance. in 2016, he was acting on his own convictions but once the movement started in donald trump's direction, j.d. vance wanted to be on that train and lead the parade. and i think you're going to see

that tonight. i think we'll see the typical contrast in style and substance and style. you have j.d. vance, the hedge fund guy against walz, the teacher and in substance, you'll see walz, consistent on donald trump and core ideology that lift up all people and the substance of j.d. vance for what it will be today, inconsistent on donald trump and who knows on ideology. apparently someone who has gone on ideology from a traditional u.s. chamber republican out look to a maga angry populist. but i'm guessing, these forecasts are always hard because they're rarely right. but i think one of the primary contrasts i'm looking for is likeable versus unlikable. and j.d. vance is an unlikable person and every time he opens his mouth, he insults. he insults your intelligence, and your values and who you are as a person and he insults your

identity, among women. and he cannot help himself. i mean, he also is someone who likes to hear himself talk and that type of arrogance comes through. he's don jr.'s mini me and he will impress don jr. and the press and careless about who he offends. tim walz is tim walz, he wants to take care of all people. i think the ethos of the two people tonight will be clear. >> mike dowd what are your thoughts and how are you judging what you see on tv tonight? >> i actually think that the task is fairly simple tonight. which is all governor walz has to do is show who he is, which is a sane, safe, normal human being, in contrast to a dangerous weirdo. i mean, that is in the end, what the contrast has been over the last six weeks since we've seen both of these candidates and i think that is readily apparent

tonight. all of the other stuff and the things and policy position an all of that kind stuff will be go back and forth, but if the end, it is a simple contrast as i said. a sane, normal person versus a dangerous weirdo. and i think actually, i disagree with claire to a degree on this and maybe she fells the way that i do, but we don't know j.d. vance. i think we know j.d. vance. we know exactly who j.d. vance is. donald trump, one of the greatest strengths of donald trump, he's the great revealer. he reveals human beings for who they are. and what he's revealed about j.d. vance is j.d. vance has no core. not that we know -- we need to know what his core is. he has no core and that is what he's revealed about a number of people. j.d. vance just happened to be the lateef one. earlier with elise stefanik and marco rubio and people that we thought were sane with principles.

but j.d. vance has no core. >> and we'll see what that looks like for 90 minutes on stage. no one is going anywhere. on the other side of the break, our friend chris quinn will join us. he's covered the rise of j.d. vance and tell us what he expects, which might help us know what we should expect from j.d. vance tonight. don't go anywhere. anywhere. [uplifting music] arearn: saint jude-- they gave it 110% every time. and for kenadie to get treatment here without having to pay anything was amazing. (children speaking)

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donald trump's running mate, senator vance, did a really remarkable thing. he got called out by the press about telling vicious hurtful lies about immigrants. he said, i admit it. i'm willing to create stories to spread fear to drum up support for us. so you got to ask, what other things are they making up stories about? i think you know. i think you know. the reason you do that is, is because if you told what you really stood for, no one would vote for you. >> that could be a preview of the reality check that awaited j.d. vance on the national stage. he will have to answer for the direct result of some of his lies including forming alarm and terror on his own constituents living and working in springfield, ohio. and an embarrassing rebuke by the republican governor, a cold shoulder from springfield's republican mayor and now private

citizen criminal charges filed against him in his home state. joining our conversation, editor for the cleveland plain dealer and cleveland.com, chris quinn and david and matt and claire are still with us. chris, what should we know about j.d. vance as the debater? >> i think he's going to be on the attack. i think he's going to double down on all of the damage that he did to springfield, which likely will result tomorrow in more dom threats and more rate groups marching through the street. it is remacable, i done think any senator in ohio history has done more damage to his own state. he's vilified the people he's supposed to be representing. i wish he would represent ohio well tonight and come on and apologize and say he got it wrong and acted on bad information, he shouldn't have done what he did. but we won't see that. because that is not who he is. he's going to push the hate and the anger and probably bring up whatever the latest wacko rumor

out of springfield because they keep circulating and bring more dais favor to the state that he represents. this is going to be a shameful night for ohio because he does not represent ohio. he is not what you expect from ohioan. >> that is such a sort of devastating analysis of his scorch earth politics. and i wonder if you think it will catch up with him politically in ohio? >> i wish it would, nicolle. the only republican leader in ohio who is doing the right thing is the governor mike dewine. who is finally show something anger with donald trump and j.d. vance. and mike dewine knows this town. he lives very close to and he was born there. he also knows haitians, he devoted so much of his life to helping people in haiti and he's just at the end of his rope on this. but not a single other republican leader has stood by his side.

they've all done the opposite. so i think, i'm so surprised at how ohioans, leaders have not all stood up to condemn this. because this is devastating what this senator has done. and it is sad to think he's going to continue it. he's going to be asked about it and he has shown no contrition as you showed in the previous clip. he admits that he made it up but keeps doubling down. >> how is the community of springfield doing? >> i think they are rallying and appreciate the support from much of ohio. they appreciate what the governor has done. he's bringing real resources to help with the infrastructure issues created by population surge. which should have bon done from the beginning. it is not scandalous. this is a good situation. we in america have built communities with refugees who

are there trouble. there were jobs that needed filling in springfield and these folks filled them. it is a good experience overall until donald trump and j.d. vance turning them into something that it is not. but i do think that they appreciate, that is what we're hearing, the support from fellow ohioans. >> chris, governor dewine's position is till that he will vote for and support donald trump. do you think if this continues that that could change? >> no, he is a party guy. all through the pandemic, when mike dewine was having press conferences, reporters trying to get him to talk about the things that trump was doing and he always stood by him. it is triking that in both the "new york times" op-ed and in his interview, i think it was released yesterday with politico, how strongly he's spoken about the damage that trump and vance has done. it is sad that he's going to

support them but you could effect change from within your party, you won't really effect it from without. >> chris quinn, your voice has been invaluable and all of the more so with all eyes on the community of springfield and ohio senator j.d. vance tonight. thank you for spending time with us. we'll bring the panel in on all of this. i have to sneak in a quick break first. don't go anywhere. don't go anywhere.

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i really stay up at night wondering, why is this race to close? chris quinn, who works for the cleveland plain dealer, just came on the air and was clear pain talked about what his state senator is go doing to his own constituents. what is going on? >> well, i mean, that is a weak's long show that we could have about this one -- >> let's do it and start it now but let's do it. >> i think, here, i think i have thought about this a lot. it is close because 46% of the country is going to vote for donald trump and that leaves a couple of points that could go to a third party which leaves a four-point race and that is where we are today. about a three or four-point race. why is 46% of country now completely occupied within the republican party and that is who they are and they support donald trump in this, there are so many reasons for it.

but one of the things that i think is happening is this base is now consolidated in the republican party in its 80% of the republican party used to be split up in america. it used to be part of them were what we recognize in years ago were democrats and some were segregationists and racists and they were in the democratic party but they were split up and didn't always dominate. some were in the republican party and then some were in the libertarian party. that donald trump is consolidated that in one party and in a country where you have two legacy parties an the choices between those two legacy parties that is now consolidated all of the basically nefarious elements of the country that have existed with us since the very beginning. keep in mind, a third of the country was against women getting the right to vote. a third of the country was against civil rights. a third of the country didn't want us to separate from england. a third of the country was against any immigration. so we've had a basis in this country of about a third of the

country that feels the same way. it happened up until now to be split up among various elements and it has consolidated one party and donald trump runs it. >> david jolly, what are your thoughts or concerns about the information bubble? sarah longwell has started sort of publicly fretting a little bit about what she calls the mano-sphere. i noticed eric cuban spent in time on right-wing podcast base and it is a free country and you could say what you want, but it is clear that there is some sort of high on their own supply dynamic going on, on the political topics. >> i think that thread includes the conversation you just had with chris which i find fascinating. because it affirms something i continue to think about it,

which is in old school politis, j.d. vance would not be worried about his vice president, he would be worried about his own state but now all politics are national. i think a lot of viewers think about some of the them, your own member of congress, how could they possibly get re-elected when they're not paying attention to my home town or they seem out of touch with my home town. because all politics is national and voters are informed by what they have been told are most are the issues of greatest national import. and particularly on the issue of immigration, on right-wing platforms, you can disparage and demean and insult and lie about legal immigrants in your home town and your home state, because to matthew's point, there is this sth rapid xenophobia that trump and vance are able to seize on that and it creates energy within their movement.

it needs to be condemned and you heard chris talking with heartbreak and those and hours across country need to speak with anger about the xenophobia and they are laying down because they are effective, you're going to hear those themes tonight and i think many of lus look at vance tonight and say why is he getting away with that. why is he lying. le be accused of lying. she should be by the moderators and will choose to double down and double down in a way that insults and putting down immigrants in the united states. but that is because that is the party as matthew said, donald trump has elevated and created and because that is a national narrative now in the country that represents some of the darker things that we live elev and represents some of the darker themes we live with. >> sarah also taught me about permission structures and what has come home to roost is all of the permission structures for the ugly est things we have been talking about, racism, and i

think it is a very difficult moment to be a woman and to be raising kids when there is a permission structure for 46% of the country to believe in all of the things that we raise our kids not to do. to judge people by the color of their skin. to view women or girls as weaker or people or citizens that should have fewer rights. it is something that i thought was a universally held value. we are raising children to be open-minded and nonjudgmental. you have two leaders of one of the two parties representing 46% of americans. >> and at the top of the list is lying. i remember when you used to get in trouble for lying if you were running for office and that fact checks mattered. they can go for affirmation rather than information. they are never forced to face

facts that are disagreeing with what they want to believe. donald trump, you know, matthew is right about what i said. it really is that he does not have a core. he is right about that. i would disagree a little bit on this. i don't think all of the people that consolidated under trump are nefarious. i know these people in my state. many are good people. more really bad people. many of them are good people who think somehow life hasn't dealt them a fair hand. donald trump gets that part and plays to it. when you realize that a former president of the united states was willing to look at a camera and lie about whether or not the current president was helping in a natural disaster we have gone as low as you can go. >> and the republican governor had to come out and correct the republican ex-president. >> yeah, the lying has become

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