when would we see the mayor back at a courtroom? >> it's not clear if they have scheduled another conference. there are deadlines where the prosecution has -- will have to respond to the motionsmentioned. fairly significant the prosecution told the judge that there's likely to be more. >> ken dilanian with the latest on this court appearance by mayor eric adams. as president biden and vice president head to tour the damage of hurricane helene, there's good news. average americans who have gone above and beyond to help victims of the storm. >> nbc's priscilla thompson has more. >> reporter: angel was at her mother's bedside in irwin, tennessee, when flooding began. >> water was rushing in. power out. >> reporter: she says her 83-year-old mother was placed in a boat,tethered to the

hospital. >> my mom is going to die. my mom is going to be swept away. >> reporter: more than 60 patients were evacuated by helicopter. all making it out alive. >> the nurses, the staff made sure we got out. >> reporter: amid so much desperation, stories of survival, heroism and hope. in north carolina, onlookers watched in horror as this home was swept away with a woman still inside. armed with a life jacket and i rope, eddie jumped in. >> i couldn't watch her die. >> reporter: pilots from around the country coming together to bring in critical supplies and get people out. >> we have had people from text -- texas to maine show up.

>> reporter: heroes saved her and her mom. >> i want to thank them. if it weren't for them, we would not have made it. >> reporter: priscilla thompson, nbc news, johnson city, tennessee. >> there are always heroes among us. that does it for us today. thank you for being here. >> thank you for the privilege of your time. andrea mitchell picks up with more news right now. right now on "andrea mitchell reports," as israel vows retaliation against iran, the middle east braces for the next wave of violence. world leaders monitor developments and prepare for the fallout. we will have a live report from israel in moments. with the election a little more than a month away, the race for white house heats up after what is likely the final debate. the running mates face off over what happened in the last election. >> he is still saying he didn't lose the election.

did he lose the 2020 election? >> tim, i'm focused on the future. did kamala harris sensor americans from speaking their mind in the wake of the 2020 covid situation? >> that's a damning non-answer. president biden arrives in the carolinas this afternoon to survey the historic damage from helene. vice president harris meets with federal officials in georgia later today. ♪♪ good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in new york. israel is vowing that iran will pay for yesterday's attacks as the war cabinet meets today in tel aviv to plan what is expected to be a bigger retaliation than when israel struck back in april. fears of a war are growing amid concerns that israel may go after iran's nuclear program or oil facilities.

israel's prime minister netanyahu saying israel will respond to the attack. president biden expecting his full support for the president ally. >> at my direction, the united states military supported the defense of israel. we're still assessing the impact. it appears to be defeated and ineffective. >> israel conducted new strikes in beirut. it says it's sending more troops into lebanon. today, the israeli military announcing that eight soldiers have died in southern lebanon. iran's tuesday attack included nearly 200 ballistic missiles. that's twice as many as iran filed against israel last spring. most were intercepted by israeli and u.s. forces. iran saying this was in response to the assassination of the hamas leader in tehran and the leader of hezbollah last friday.

iran's supreme leader urging the u.s. to step aside and warning of what he called a far more crushing response. joining me now from israel is nbc news international correspondent raf sanchez. what is the latest you are hearing from israel about retaliation against iran? >> reporter: prime minister netanyahu met at the defense ministry in tel aviv earlier today with the chief of staff, israel's most senior general, the head of the mossad, the foreign intelligence agency and the domestic agency. there was one topic top of the agenda, how, when, at what scale to respond to this unprecedented iranian ballistic missile attack. an israeli official tells me this will come swiftly. israel is absolutely determined to show iran and the world that an attack like this cannot go

unanswered. we can look for clues as to what happened last time back in april when iran fired that first barrage of drones, missiles at israel. then it took five days before israel launched what frankly was a very small-scale response, a minor strike at an air base in western iran. israel never publicly acknowledged it was behind that attack even though in private israeli officials said they were responsible. there's a very different tone right now in the aftermath of those iranian ballistic missiles coming down. one of them blowing off part of the wall of a school behind me. israel is very publicly signaling it plans to respond. they are saying it's coming soon. there is one complicating factor. the sun has gone down. we are in rosh hashanah. there are jewish holidays coming swiftly in the following days.

yom kippur and others. there's a complication as israel determines when to carry out this retaliation. we are very much at the point of when and not if. the question is, what role will the biden administration play? you have heard president biden and vice president harris saying that iran needs to be held accountable, that there will be consequences for this strike. you can imagine at the same time, the biden administration trying to counsel restraint since no one was seriously injured or killed. there was a palestinian man in the west bank who was killed by shrapnel falling at one of the interceptions. >> raf, what about the use of hypersonic missiles? >> reporter: israel's military is saying that these were not hypersonic missiles. this is a claim coming from iran. we heard similar claims from the

houthis. i can tell you, as someone who was just staring up at the night sky in awe last night as these deadly shooting stars streaked across, they literally did not look like they were moving fast enough to be hypersonic missiles. that doesn't seem to have been the case. it is the case that some of those missiles did break through these layers of defense, israel's iron dome. israeli warplanes in the air, u.s. naval destroyers in the middle east. we don't know exactly how many of them landed. there are some very visible signs of that aftermath, this damaged school. there's a crater not far from the mossad headquarters. there's damage we haven't been able to see. how much, what kind of damage was there to israeli air bases as a result of these strikes? israel saying its air power operations are not affected.

>> raf sanchez, thank you. william cohen, mr. secretary, thank you for joining us today. how do you think that israel is going to respond? do you think they would take the enormous step of going after the nuclear program? >> i'm guessing as much as anyone else. i believe that the israelis will take this opportunity and use the chance they have right now to inflict far more serious damage on iran than ever before. iran, sense the overthrow of the shah, has been dedicated to israel's destruction. hezbollah as well, hamas as well. from the israeli point of view, this is, quote, existential. their existence is on the line. i think they will respond rather aggressively. i think they will target silos, missile production facilities, perhaps even chemical weapons

production facilities and certainly in my opinion it will go after some of the nuclear capable production facilities that they have. i think they're going to act in a very, very aggressive way and soon and not wait for the end of the holidays. i think time in this particular case is not on their side. they need to act quickly if they're going to, because the world community is going to come in and say, stop, let's have a peaceful solution. i think at this point the israelis don't want a peaceful solution. they want to punish the iranians and punish them severely. >> the u.s. said -- the president said that they will defend israel to its core when it's attack biz iran. even after the attacks against -- the standpoint of taking out nasrallah, the president calling for diplomacy. what do you think israel would

do? do you think they would go after the nuclear program without a green light, maybe a yellow warning light from the u.s.? could they blindside the u.s. on something that important? do they need american refuelling, midair refuelling to accomplish the task? >> the united states -- bide ed a -- administration was blindsided by the elimination of nasrallah. i would say no more surprises. we know that you have been under attack now. we know you are going to respond. we want to be in this planning operation as well. don't surprise us with something that you do, which we think is contrary to your interests and to our own. we have interests as well in the region. i would hope they are a part of the planning.

i don't know the israelis will accept that. the israelis are say, we have the hamas under attack, the disruption of hezbollah. we have iran that's been exposed for its weaknesses. they look weak. i think the israelis feel, we're in -- we're going to use this to punish the iranians and set them back as far as we can. the problem is going to be the consequences of that is iranians are no match for us, no match for the israelis. but they do have a network of terror groups around the world. they will respond asymmetrically around the world, including the united states. this is what the biden administration is concerned about. i assume that's being communicated to the israeli prime minister. how that's going to play out is anyone's guess at this point. >> i'm reading that after a very strong supportive speech to the

united nations security council today by our u.s. ambassador, linda thomas-greenfield, iran's ambassador has said publicly at the security council that israel is pushing the region to the edge of a, quote, unprecedented catastrophe. i don't have to tell you as a former senator, house member at a key moment in history as well, and a cabinet member in the bill clinton administration, that this is the closing weeks -- final months and a -- less than a week of this election. the administration is really being put in a very different place by the middle east blowing up, potentially getting worse. if israel were to go after the oil supply, the oil fields in iran, already there's been a spike in energy prices. you can see what's happening. the houthis are a threat in the red sea to shipping. what is the potential --

>> the price of oil has spiked. it will go higher. i don't believe we have seen the end of that spike, because the israelis can take out oil facilities at any time in my judgment. what they can't do, take out the nuclear facilities. that will require the assistance of the united states, in my opinion. this is where the debate, i think, is taking place in terms of what the israelis are prepared to do. they can take out the oil facilities. the price will go up. the saudis have lectured the opec nations, don't start producing more oil to bring the price down because we will undercut you and drop it to $50. saudis are say, don't undercut us with the price of oil. the price will go up. it will have ramifications for the world economy. it will have certainly an impact here at home at a time when we have the damage by helene. we have got the strike taking

place. there's a lot on the table. i think the biden administration is handicapped, as you pointed out. they don't want to appear to put a horse collar around netanyahu or the vice president. i think the biden administration is in a difficult place. i think netanyahu is going to exploit that. i think he is going to say, this is an opportunity for me to take advantage of all that's going on in the world to strike now and to strike hard. >> former defense secretary bill cohen, an ominous forecast. thank you very much on all fronts. we appreciate it. in 90 seconds, the reaction to the debate last night as the campaigns kick off their sprint to election day. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports." this is msnbc.

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insisting donald trump salvaged obamacare, when donald trump tried repeatedly to kill it, and sugarcoating trump's attempt to deny and overturn the 2020 election. >> it's really rich for democratic leaders to say that donald trump is a unique threat to democracy when he peacefully gave over power on january the 20th. >> did he lose the 2020 election? >> i'm focussed on the future. did kamala harris sensor americans from speaking their mind in the wake of the 2020 covid situation? >> that's a damning non-answer. >> as for walz, he has been bottled up by the campaign. he has not done any solo interviewed. he showed his nervousness at first. stumbling when he wasn't in the tiananmen square massacre. >> i've not been perfect.

>> can you explain -- >> i got there that summer and misspoke. i will just -- that's what i've said. i was in hong kong and china during the democracy protest. from that, i learned a lot of what needed to be in governance. >> joining me now, garrett haake, covering the trump campaign. yamiche alcindor who has been covering harris. and peter baker. garrett, jason miller told you that vance walked away looking very likeable. certainly, didn't look the way he has in certain interviewed we have seen on the campaign trail. what about the revisionist, retelling of history on point after point?

>> it's easier to agree with your opponent when you fudge your position on things. the rewriting of history on obamacare was so blatant having been there throughout the trumped aminute vags. they tried to change the subject when i asked them about it. overall, they are pleased with vance's performance. they think this is the guy they picked. he had a rocky rollout as a running mate over the last couple of months. he was able to show some of his skill in that format last night. they thought the effective translator of donald trump to people who may tune out donald trump all together but might have been willing to listen to a little bit of a different voice there. we will see how his interpretation of trumpism holds up under fact checking and the longer term affect of this campaign. >> he has the lowest favorability of any of the four candidates on the ticket. arguably, it's more important

given the fact that donald trump is now the oldest person on the ticket and is not exactly coherent in his speeches. >> that's certainly true. i think the trump campaign's view of this is that by the end of this process, 34 days from now, if you are keeping score, that none of the four candidates are popular. they know by and large they can't make donald trump more popular. there's not a lot they can do to make jd vance more popular. their goal is to make sure harris and walz get brought down a peg. that's the vance and trump we see on the trail. i suspect that's what we will see as early as today. >> yamiche, walz had strong moments, especially that women need to be in charge of their health care. vance claiming he never supported a national abortion ban by backing lindsey graham's national ban after 12 weeks -- well, 15 weeks, some exceptions. how does the campaign reconcile this? >> the harris campaign will lean

in on this issue, especially because the vice president has been the most prominent voice in the administration on the issue abortion and reproductive health, even before she was the top of the ticket. the thing that you will continue to see over and over again is what tim walz, governor walz did last night. that is talking about personal stories. he said specifically if amber thurman was in minnesota, she would be alive. he was talking about a young mother who died in georgia after trying to get an abortion and running into traffic trying to go to another state. she ended up getting a medication abortion and died of complications because she had an infection and the doctors in georgia, her family says, delayed treatment to the fact they couldn't help her anymore. she left behind a young boy. that's the story that the harris campaign has continued to tell. her family was part of the oprah event where there was an event where groups were coming together to talk about the issues of the election. you will hear the harris campaign continue to talk specifically about women, about health complications, about what

they are calling preventable abortion deaths. amber's name in particular, because i talked to her best friend a few days ago, they are continuing to hope her story, the people who loved her, her story makes people rethink their position on abortion. talking about fudging your position, it was interesting to hear senator vance say, i was not against an abortion ban and then say, well i was for a national standard, which is essentially the same thing as a national abortion ban. we have heard trump say that he won't sign a national abortion ban. the harris campaign says they are not going to trust them. women around this country should not trust donald trump when he says he won't sign a national abortion ban because his backers want a national abortion ban. they will hammer home that point and talk about this issue as part of the overall freedom that's been the theme of the harris campaign. >> peter baker, i want to play what both candidates had to say about israel and iran. it was the opening question.

tim walz seemed notably nervous in it. >> israel's ability to be able to defend itself is fundamental. that steady leadership is going to matter. >> it's up to israel what they need to do. we should support our allies. >> iran is closer to a nuclear weapon than they were before because of donald trump's leadership. >> when did iran and hamas attack israel? it was during the administration of kamala harris.peter, how is affect the campaign in the closing five weeks? bill cohen was pointing out that netanyahu is in the driver's seat but that according to cohen he should stop blindsiding the u.s. when it comes to oil fields and nuclear hits, he's to coordinate with the administration. >> yeah, i think that's right. this is exactly what the administration did not want, in

terms of policy or politics. we talk about politics, because we are talking about the debate. this is not what kamala harris wants to talk about at this point. the left was already mad because they thought they were too supportive of israel. it began to settle down. now this will raise that issue again for those who otherwise might be supportive of kamala harris. on the right, you will hear criticism of the administration for not being supportive enough, for trying to restrain israel in its fight against its enemies in the region. either way, it's a no win situation for kamala harris. she would rather focus on abortion rights, on domestic issues, on the question of trump and democracy and whether he believes in the constitution and so forth. >> garrett, yamiche, peter, thanks to all of you. next, president biden heading to the disaster zone, the flood zone today. we will go back to north

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nearly a week since helene made landfall, millions across the southeast are still reeling. more than 175 people have died, at least 90 in north carolina.

hundreds are still missing. entire communities remain isolated with hundreds of roads and bridges damaged or fully destroyed. at least a million people are still without power. right now, president biden is about to leave for south carolina to survey damage there before visiting harder hit north carolina. he will take an aerial tour of asheville, saying he doesn't want to land to not disrupt recovery efforts on the ground. vice president harris will travel to georgia to receive updates on the emergency response there and recovery efforts. donald trump was in georgia on monday. joining me now from asheville, nbc news correspondent sam brock. sam, asheville is devastated. you are living through it. as the city works to recover to try to rebuild, what are the issues? what are the most serious problems for people? >> reporter: the notion of a recovery is not even -- it's

months away when you tour some of the communities. this is a valley floor where it meets the mountains. this is a working class community, maybe six or seven homes in the neighborhood are actually habitable. you see a car covered in mud. this street just a sea of mud that had to be cleared out. reaching the top of the car. you see a home on the corner, i was talking with the husband and wife. they are trying to find birth certificates, pictures of children and loved ones, mementos that cannot be replaced. the foundation itself has crumbled. this right here is a perfect portrait of everything that's going on right now. portions of homes that are crumbled. cars and sheds underneath. in the distance, you will see those utility trucks. they are trying to take out poles and lines that need to be replaced. there's no restoration here. it's a total replacement. the x and o on the homes. that graffiti is signature to

disasters like this. you see x, which indicates the fact it's been searched for survivors or those who have died and zero indicating there's no one inside. you mentioned the number is 175 killed across a half dozen states. 90 in the state of north carolina. where i am, it's 57. you would be hard-pressed to believe it's not going to rise based on conversations that i'm having today with the national guard. they are having folks coming in from illinois, nebraska, florida, on the ground with cadaver dogs going through debris and trying to reach inaccessible areas they haven't gotten to. back to you. >> sam, briefly, do they have water? >> reporter: great question. no running water. it's being disseminated. fema got it out on monday. they are being told it's weeks or six months to get running water again. that's not verified by any independent municipality.

that's what they are telling me. it's hard to wrap your behind around what that would mean for hundreds of people living in communities like this. >> it's horrifying. thank you, sam. right now, president biden is heading to the carolinas. let's listen to what he had to say. [ inaudible ] >> we're going to down to see the damage done. i'm going back again to other states. here is the thing, it was incredibly consequential. the last thing we need is a manmade disaster. we are getting pushback. we are hearing from folks that are having trouble getting products. look, they control all the ports all the way to the east coast and around the gulf.

they have made incredible profits since this pandemic. the owners are making tens of millions of dollars. the last thing they need is to profit off of this. get the strike done. >> will you be communicating with them about this? >> we have. we have. i haven't personally, but we have. >> tell us anything about iran and israel's possible -- >> look, i called a meeting of the g7 today. we are working on a joint statement all of us agree on from japan to france to germany. what we're doing in that regard is remaining clear that there are things that have to be done. obviously, iran has gone way -- is way off course. we're putting to the a joint statement.

it will be done before too long probably, by the time we land. there's going to be sanctions imposed on iran. >> do you have a view -- >> they need to sit down and talk. we negotiated a similar strike on the west coast. they worked it out. they won't even talk. let's get that done. >> sir, what is your -- >> the answer is, no. i think there's -- we discussed with the israelis what they're going to do. all seven of us agree that they have a right to respond. >> sir, what is your advice to israel as far as how they should respond to this right now?

>> president biden being asked about iran and being asked about the port strike and the concerns he has and saying that he is going to speak to the other leaders of the g7 today and put out a joint statement about that. the massive damage in north carolina where the president is heading could have impacts beyond the storm zone, including hospitals all over the country. hurricane helene's unprecedented range flooded the largest manufacturer of iv fluid and bags, dialysis bags. many hospitals across the nation only have a week of supplies. joining me now, nbc news medical contributor and former obama white house policy director, our friend dr. patel. the supplies are short and needed. baxter industries in north carolina, about 60 miles from asheville, they are the largest provider, not the only one. they have a branch in shanghai

that's not approved for distribution by the fda. what's the latest on this? >> yeah, as you mentioned, most hospitals because of the nature of the supplies, think about the iv bags you see in the emergency rooms and across hospital wards attached to patients. you can only carry so many on a stable supply. the department of hhs declared an emergency for north carolina. that allows for agencies like the food and drug administration to create an accelerated import. baxter is fax with this. this happened after hurricane maria in puerto rico where they have a huge manufacturing facility. this is something that unfortunately they are prepared for, but even when it happens, it can leave a potential wake of supply shortages that we still don't fully understand. we will probably see -- sam mentioned before -- weeks to months of an impact from this. >> they don't have weeks to months of supplies in most hospitals.

>> right. >> health care workers are telling nbc news that at asheville's mission hospital, no running water, running out of food and oxygen canisters. the local hospitals don't have any other options. they are isolated. this is a mountainous area. this is part of the problem. >> you hit on it. we might say in this day and age, how can this be a problem in several factors. bridges have been affected. dropping supplies is not necessarily feasible or easy. what's really amazing is that these medical personnel, friends of mine in that resorting to amazon wish lists. they are asking for tablets to make drinkable the water supply. these are third world conditions in the united states. that's what can happen when mother nature and these unexpected forces all collide. >> dr. patel, thank you for your

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what is now expected to be the final debate of the 2024 campaign was largely low key. vance offering revisionist explanations on donald trump's policies of health care, abortion, january 6. tim walz rusty after not doing any solo interviews since he joined the ticket. president biden and kamala harris are hit by a longshoreman strike, war in the middle east, striking oil prices and criticism of the fema response.

five weeks before the election. joining us now, former republican congressman charlie dent of pennsylvania, former democratic congresswoman donna edwards of maryland. donna, in a statement about the strike, kamala harris is saying foreign-owned shipping companies have made record profits. the longshoremen deserve a fair share. they are not willing to take on the unions. there are democrats who want the president to invoke an act which would have an 80-day cooling off period and get them past the election. they are reluctant to take any stance that might appear to be against labor right now. >> i don't know if it's so much that as that we heard the president say that he wants them to come -- all of them, the owners and the longshoremen to come to the table and negotiate. i think that far from ruling

anything out, what the president and the vice president are saying is that, given the record profits, given the negotiations, that there should be a bargain to be struck between the two parties. i think that they want to give that some legs before stepping in. i think that's the right strategy for the president. it respects union rights, but it also respects the negotiation process. >> charlie dent, how complicated is this? you have a triple whammy now potentially between the middle east, the port strike, the controversy over fema and what's happening in battleground north carolina and georgia. >> it's a very difficult time for the biden administration and kamala harris. they are -- by siding with the longshoremen's union, this could lead to a disruption in the supply chain, which could create higher demand and increased

prices. they have come out against the nippon u.s. steel deal, which is a perfectly good deal. they are doing it for the union. i would say that if israel strikes iranian oil infrastructure, that could surge prices. it's a delicate time. the jury is out on the response to the hurricane. the administration is doing its best. we will see how that plays out. we don't know at this moment. >> let me ask both of you, because you are in states with hot senate races, charlie first to you, bob casey loved in pennsylvania, veteran father, a very close race. dame mcccormick has a superpac pouring millions in. >> i suspect it will go the same way as the presidential race, which is also very tight.

mccormick, as you pointed out, is well capitalized. he raised a lot of money and has superpacs supporting him. casey is well funded. it's a tight race. it will be within the margin of error. the challenge for bob casey is, can he run ahead of kamala harris in pennsylvania? he may need to do that to survive. i think everything is too close to call. >> that's a grim prognosis for the democrats. in maryland, you have some polling indicating that the democratic nominee, the candidate is not well-known enough, donna, and that larry hogan, while a republican and dragged down somewhat by donald trump, is a very popular governor, even among some democrats -- former governor. >> the democratic registration in maryland is two to one democrats to republicans. angela has been polling higher over the last several days.

it's a competitive race. there's a lot of money being spent in maryland. we're not used to having money like that spent in a maryland senate race. i suspect that at the end of the day, democrats are probably going to come home. it's significant, however, that she seems to be running significantly behind kamala harris in this race, signifying there are a number of independents and democrats who are persuaded by larry hogan. at the end of the day, i believe that democrats are going to pull this race out. it's important to keep control of the senate. >> we should point out that's tipping in the balance. it's only divided. if harris wins and, therefore, tim walz would have a tiebreaking vote, they could afford to lose two seats. west virginia has gone. you have a couple other very close races.

they might have a pickup in texas. that could be fool's gold. we have to leave it there. thanks for being with us. coming up, israel plans to retaliate swiftly to iran's massive attack. what might that look like? we will talk to a former top aid visor to israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu, former ambassador to the united states. this is "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. ♪ i wanna hold you forever ♪ hey little bear bear. ♪ ♪ ♪ i'm gonna love you forever ♪ ♪ ♪

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it could be complicated by the jewish high holy day, starting with rosh hashanah. joining me now is former israeli ambassador to the united states, michael orrin. >> good to see you. >> i want to ask about the timing. is there any reason -- you have been involved in national security decisions in israel for decades. is there any decision the war cabinet will wait until after the holy days when the response will be swift, painful and will be iran had twice as many ballistic missiles in this as in april. >> they are always attacking us on our jewish holidays. october 7th was a jewish holiday. yom kippur was a holiday. they're looking at our calendar very carefully. here's an interesting

consideration. on rosh hashana, the high holidays, jews are in the synagogue. if a siren goes off, you have to think about how long it takes to get from a synagogue to a bomb shelter. many of us have bomb shelters in our homes. >> are there bomb shelters in synagogues? >> in my synagogue, it has happened several times in october and november when they were shelling tel aviv, we simply went under a staircase. that's not good to crowd a couple hundred people under a staircase. >> what about the soldiers? are there soldiers given leave, especially those in gaza for so long, there are still some there, to let them go home during the high holidays? >> not this holiday. under jewish law, if it is life and death, you can go home. but not this one. they'll be fighting, on guard and prepared for any possibility. >> the defense minister sent out

pictures of the seven soldiers, men and women, who died yesterday in lebanon. well, i think there are now eight. let's talk about what happened in jaffa? that's on the street where you live. >> literally. i spoke this morning. >> it was a mass shooting. we don't know if it was related at all but it was at the same time. >> i don't know if they coordinated with iran but certainly the terrorists knew there were incoming rockets and people would be diverted, police would be diverted, and they could get away with the shooting. i live in a mixed city with jews and arabs. we get along pretty well. we haven't had tensions for a long time so people didn't suspect when they saw two individuals getting on to a train, one of them is carrying an m-16 rifle. and there were soldiers on leave. so to see a civilian with a rifle is not unusual.

remember the hostages. that was a diversional tactic. >> let's talk about the bigger picture. i was talking to william cohen, you may know, former defense secretary. he said right now, bibi netanyahu has the leverage because we're in the closing weeks of a very closely fought campaign. and these strikes, if he were to strike the oil fields, or the nuclear facilities, this would already cause more of a spike in the oil prices and destabilize the whole world. >> i've heard this and i'm aware of it. it is not just the impact on the united states. it is the impact on the saudis and we would like to stay on very good terms with the saudis. so a spike in oil prices would be for that as well. and i say this without any irony, it is a target-rich environment. yes, there are nuclear-rich facilities there and it is fair game. there is been a question whether they have the strategic ability

to take those out. we don't have bombers. we have small planes. >> you would need refueling from the u.s. >> we have our own refueling capabilities. we do. look what happened a few weeks ago to take out hassan nasrallah. he was under 60 feet of concrete. >> but this is a longer range. could you have the the air lift to carry 2,000 pound bombs? >> yes. and i think because israel also flew to yemen in response to the houthi's attacks, yemen is further away. >> what about not blind-siding the u.s. anymore? the u.s. did not know about that. something this important, consequential, would two allies be working in concert? >> preferably us. first, israel is really grateful that the u.s. was there. one of those missiles landed in the front yard of a good friend of mine.

if it had exploded, it would have killed the whole neighborhood. this is 1,200 pounds of tnt. that's huge. take down the whole go building. maybe that puts it on a better page for cooperation. i hope that's the case. >> wishing you and yours a very healthy, happy, peaceful new year. >> thank you.

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good day. i'm chris jansing live in new york city. the first day of the final campaign sprint. j.d. vance and tim walz both back on the road today with the last major one-on-one before the election, now in the rear view mirror. but setting the stage after what we saw last night. plus, are our worst fears of a wider war in the middle east now realized? as we speak, israel is weighing retaliation for iran's missile