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will the bevy of big stars jumping on board help? plus, president biden hints at a huge decision israel is about to make. when, where and how to retaliate for iran's missile strikes. is there anyway to keep the war from getting worse? a week after helene tore through the south, basics, water, food, medicine, still hard to come by. more fears of how the storm's impacts could be felt nationwide disrupting everything from semiconductors to iv fluid. kamala harris trying to flood the zone in this final month before election day, bringing in politicians and celebrities to get her message out. there are a slew of headlines about campaign stops and endorsements from bruce springsteen to jennifer garner to the most popular democrat in

america, president obama, who will campaign for harris in pennsylvania starting next thursday. harris herself will do more interviews in the coming weeks, on "60 minutes" on late-night talk shows according to her campaign. is it too late to silence her critics and, more to the point, motivate potential supporters? yamiche alcindor is in michigan. michael steel is former rnc chairman and host of "the weekend" here on msnbc. welcome. yamiche, i'm wondering if what we're seeing when we talk about these interviews, is it a genuine strategic shift for harris to do them with 32 days to go, particularly given the similar angst we heard from democrats in the closing weeks of hillary clinton's campaign that she didn't take enough questions in the press, or is

this just a final push, nothing more? >> reporter: it's a great question. good afternoon, of course, from flint, michigan, in this critical battleground state of michigan. when i talk to my sources in the harris campaign, they push back on the idea she has not been doing a lot of media. but there are a lot of critics within the democrat party, people close to harris, people who have worked on past campaigns of hers, who tell me they were getting worried that they felt she was not doing enough interviews or things to engage with reporters. that being said, we are, of course, going to be seeing her do the "60 minutes" interviews. they're saying part of what she's trying to do is go to voters directly. that means holding rallies like the one tonight in michigan, holding events yesterday like the one yesterday in wisconsin with liz cheney. she's been doing a lot of nontraditional media, going to

social media and other places to talk to content creators as well as celebrities. so their strategy has been that they don't really think they only need to do traditional media, that there are a lot of undecided voters in critical swing states who aren't going to be reading traditional media and instead will be gathering in those other spaces. i think we're going to see her do more and more engagements, whether that's traditional media or podcasts. we also will see how aggressive she gets in talking about former president trump. she's already talked about him being a sexual abuser, a fraudster, a conman. we're watching for her to go even more negative specifically when it comes to paid media. >> i don't need to tell you there's a big difference between

doing a podcast and sitting down across from a "60 minutes" interviewer or a press conference. this past week i've talked to half a dozen people who are political insiders and i asked them the question, how many undecided voters do you think there are? their answers ranked from .5% to 7%. that's all we're talking about here really, right? i think if you've got your people, they're going out. >> right. >> are you worried, as some democrats are, she's not putting herself out there in the right ways? i don't think anybody is saying she's sitting at home watching soap operas and eating bonbons, but is she doing what she needs to do? >> i go back to the statements michelle obama made at the dnc where she actually previewed this sentiment where she said, look, if you don't get a call, if the campaign doesn't exactly touch you and you don't hear

exactly what you want her to say, rest assured she's doing the work and the campaign is doing the work and you have a clear choice between donald trump and kamala harris. one is looking backward, the other is looking forward to improve your lives. she said that. there was a lot of applause. everybody agreed that was the right statement and the right sentiment. when she took donald trump to task on the debate stage, everybody talked about how brilliant she was. so how are we turned around in such a short period of time afterwards that she's not doing the right things? she's been doing this for two or three months now. she didn't have a year. she's doing a lot in a short period of time. if she doesn't do traditional media, those undecided voters, we need podcasts, a lot of digital media. you can go hyper, hyper local and be super targeted in that

approach. if you want her to have that conversation with undecided voters, in many ways that's the best way to do it. i understand the concern and the need and desire to see her in these major platforms, but you have to imagine the campaign knows where those voters are and knows how to talk to them. >> michael, i had our crack staff look back at the last four presidents going back to george w. their campaigns lasted, on average, 553 days. so far, kamala harris has had just 75. we do continue to hear from voters -- i hear it -- saying they don't know enough about her. endorsements are great, but there's also ads. there's that connection you have to make with voters, whether it's on an issue, whether it's on a personal basis. do you see her doing what she needs to do? is she being smart with not a lot of time left, 32 days? >> yes, yes, a thousand times

rest. >> so it's democrats being democrats. >> yes, it's democrats being democrats, and it's the mainstream media being the mainstream media. they want to be coddled. they want to show they got the connection. the "new york times," the major networks want to sit down, "60 minutes". >> yeah, everybody wants to sit down. do you think there's a difference between a sitdown -- i'm not saying "60 minutes" is not going to do a great job. >> they will do a great job. >> why not do a press conference? i'm not asking a question as a journalist -- >> let me just get to the point. >> yeah. >> if i can get in a local media market in wisconsin, pennsylvania, south carolina, north carolina, anywhere in the country, i don't need to do a press conference. i'm talking directly to the people as they're driving home on the car radio, or i'm sitting in their living room if i've

done an interview with local late-night news or whatever. we have to stop looking at this campaign through the traditional lenses. this is not that race. 107 days she's been doing this, and she's got 30 more left. at the end of the day, you're talking 140 days to run a national presidential campaign. she's got to be particular with her targets. if she had an extra 400 days everybody would get touched in the mainstream media and the democratic party. this is not hillary clinton's campaign of 2016, this is not joe biden's campaign of 2020. i think she's doing what she needs to do now. there are some components of this she absolutely needs to focus a little bit more time on, certainly among younger voters, african-american voters in particular, and they are starting to do that. their ground game operation, their organization and networking across the states,

particularly the battleground states, are in place. donald trump doesn't have any of that. i don't see donald trump doing sitdowns and press conferences with the mainstream media every week. so let's hold her to the same standard we're holding donald trump, because donald trump is not giving you anything except a rally in which he dribbles and nods off and just goes off on tangents. and the press accepts that. and yet they look at her and say, well, how come you're not, you know, giving us more of what we want? well, as soon as you get it from donald trump, she'll give it to you. in the meantime, i think she's focused where she needs to be, and the democrats need to stop acting like democrats, get your behind on the ground, organize, turn out your vote. you need to overwhelm the ballot box on november 5th, because that's the end game. don't worry about a press conference today. you need to worry about how many voters you've got turning out on

november 5th. >> believe it or not, as someone who was in local news for 17 years, 20, actually if you include radio and newspapers, i totally agree with you. the headlines are different if she does a national interview and if she does a local interview, 100%. i guess my question was more -- because i don't want this to be about the media. it's about how you reach voters, right? so to that point, i agree with michael totally. can i ask you then about tone and some questions about whether she needs to be aggressive now in these final days, she really needs to go hard? >> listen, i think she's gone hard. but what i think she needs to do in this really short period of time is engender trust. by doing that, you have to be able to speak to the future for those voters, particularly the

undecided voters. so, yeah, the anger and frustration that michael talked about that, i've talked about, that democrats seem to be holding onto, i get that, but we need to get over that point. >> let's -- >> i think you're right. what ends up happening is, you want folks to go hard, but at the same time you also need to get information about how your life is going to be better under her leadership. she needs to spend the time to actually go and do that. some of the donald trump anger and sentiment is baked in. this new sort of conversation about january 6th thanks to this release i think resurfaces a lot of that. even then, it's not about looking backwards. you've got to talk more forward in more aspirational tones to get out some of those voters. >> so the other people reaching out, that's the bruce

springsteens of the world. it wasn't by coincidence he was sitting at a diner and there's the american flag there and he looks very bruce. [ laughter ] >> but for a low-engagement voter, michael, is that where -- again, we keep talking about how small the margins are here. >> yeah. >> does that make somebody sit up and think, maybe i will vote after all? not because bruce springsteen said it. almost it reminded them that something is going on. it's hard for people to watch this program, people i hang out with in new york and even my family, because they of course have to watch me. it's genetically engineered that way. there are people out there who are not thinking about this every day. >> right. thank you, thank you, thank you. you're not going to get them necessarily in a "60 minutes"

interview. where you're going to get them is very small local spaces where they're getting information directly from a friend, a neighbor, a colleague, they're seeing something on their laptop, they're hearing something in their group chat. so there are a lot of different ways in which campaigns can get their message to people. we've been in an asymmetrical space since 2016. i still see people trying to force these campaigns into these straight-line operations. and that's just not the way it's done. the ad buys today aren't on necessarily just on television. in fact, they aren't just on television. so they really go to the heart of what you're saying about that local market, that bruce springsteen kind of voter. i've got a piece up on msnbc daily talking about what i call intentional voters.

these are people who have the intent to vote, right? when you ask them in polling, yeah, i may vote, i may not vote, and if i did vote, i'm thinking about this person. guess what? this is the period when all that comes together for them. little moments like you just showed with a figure like a bruce springsteen or an everyday blue collar guy or gal they're familiar with, turns up that light a little brighter for them. it can't be a straight line, because if it's a straight line, you're not going to reach every voter you need to reach, which is why the turnout model for this election is greater and more intensive, because donald trump has already corrupted the process. he's already told us if he doesn't win, it's rigged. and his voters believe that. they've got operatives already on election boards who are planning to disrupt the process. you need to overwhelm the ballot

box on election day. because the argument is, well, we were leading and now we're losing so the system is rigged. no. you're losing because we got more votes than you did. and that has got to be the end game. the way you turn out those voters is to reach them where they are, and they're not all sitting in front of the television watching us or watching "60 minutes" or the "new york times." the campaign is astute to that and doing everything they can to reach those voters where they are and not having to work to find her. >> so my executive producer just suggested in my ear that my theme song better be "born to run" . so i got to run, guys. you can catch michael steel tomorrow along with symone sanders townsend at 8:00 a.m. eastern right here on msnbc. coming up in 90 seconds, new

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to a leader of hezbollah about what comes next. >> reporter: if the israelis want to retaliate on iran, the iranians will know how to handle it. we in the resistance here do our duty, others do theirs. >> that comes after offhand comments from president biden yesterday. >> would you support israel striking iran's oil facilities, sir? >> i think that would be a little -- anyway. >> what are the plans to allow israel to strike back against iran? >> first of all, we don't allow israel. we advise israel, and there's nothing going to happen today. we'll talk about that later. >> so the decision of what's next is ultimately in the hands of israel and prime minister benjamin netanyahu has blindsided the biden administration before. i want to bring in ross sanchez on the ground in israel as well

as peter baker. so raf, what do we know is on the table? what is israel considering right now? >> reporter: israel has a number of options in terms of striking iran, all at different rungs on the escalation ladder. the very top of that ladder would be a strike against iran's nuclear facilities. that would be the reddest of red lines for iran. that is something president biden has explicitly said he does not want to see, and there are questions about whether the israeli military, for all its prowess, would be able to carry out an effective strike against nuclear facilities that are heavily fortified. many of them are dug into the sides of mountains. but if prime minister netanyahu is looking to trigger some kind of all-out war with iran that he believes might lead to regime change, which is something he has cryptically suggested in public addresses, that could be the option. another possibility, as you

mentioned, striking iran's oil production facilities. that would be a much softer target than its nuclear program. iran is a massive country. it is very, very difficult to defend all of its air space. you heard president biden acknowledging there had been discussions about that. and when we've seen the israelis strike back against those houthi militants in yemen, they have often targeted oil facilities. and from a kind of symbolism perspective, that sends an enormous fire ball into the sky, a pillar of black smoke. it is a very visible way to signal to your enemies that you are able to hit back at them. we have seen oil go up a bit. another possibility, of course, would be to strike at iranian military bases. we know several of those iranian military ballistic missiles did hit. that was the sound of outgoing

missiles firing over the border in southern lebanon. we do know several israeli air bases were hit by those iranian missiles. israel insists they were not severely damaged, but it's possible israel would want to reciprocate. prime minister benjamin netanyahu, we should say held a high-level meeting earlier this week with the heads of his intelligence agencies. it's possible they have already made their decision on what to strike, and now it's just a care. >> referee: -- carry it out. >> i wonder if you feel there's any kind of unanimity of opinion or thought about which level israel is most likely to take. would it be nuclear facilities? would it be oil facilities? i wonder if you can give us a sense of what you're hearing. >> in washington, the answer is they don't know.

i think they are very worried about strikes on the nuclear facilities. as raf said, that is considered a red line by the white house. it's not really at all clear that israel could be able to totally destroy that program even if it was able to reach some of those sites. there's two iranian enrichment sites that are deep underground under layers of rock and concrete, and it's very unlikely those could be destroyed. i think if israel just goes after military intelligence targets, things like missile launchers, command and control centers, i think the u.s. would view that as proportionate and appropriate. it's not clear what the u.s. thinks about the possibility of striking those oil facilities. of course, president biden's comment yesterday was an acknowledge that it's under discussion, it's a possibility, and oil prices went up as a result of that.

there's also a question about that too, right? israel could only hit refineries that refine gasoline. that's only for domestic consumption in iran. that's one option that would affect the oil markets less theoretically than a hit on oil terminals. those are used to export oil out of the area. the other question is, of course, how would iran respond? iran's air defenses are very weak compared to israel's air power. they would be hard pressed to stop any of this. but they do have some options, which were addressed. do they example put mines in the strait of hormuz, which is this key waterway where so much oil from the region goes out to the rest of the world through the indian ocean. gulf states would be obviously concerned about something like that. there's a lot to consider here.

>> obviously one of the considerations, peter, for the white house are the domestic implications, right, on so many different levels. let me ask you about one specifically. i mean, we've been at it in this very aggressive and violent way in the middle east now. i wonder if it's surprising -- i haven't checked in the last hour, but oil prices have been around $75 a barrel. they haven't really gone wild. what's the concern that could change dramatically? >> i think concern around the political staff is pretty high, because the last thing you want as a candidate in the last 30 days is any kind of surprise. that's why they call it the october surprise. higher oil prices, pictures of war and chaos in the middle east, all of that would play, or at least the democrats fear it would for donald trump. the argument has been that the world is in chaos and he's the

one who is so strong who can bring it back into order. of course that's ignoring the chaos of the four years he was in office. what the democrats would like to be talking about now is not war in the middle east. they'd like to be talking about the conflict here at home over democracy. they'd like to talk about that donald trump is a threat to the constitution. they'd like to talk about moving forward, not back. that's, of course, kamala harris' campaign slogan in effect. the last thing they want to be talking about is an issue that divides their own party, because there are still people that are still upset with the biden administration for supportive of israel and others who say the biden administration hasn't done enough to be supportive of israel. >> iran's supreme leader has not led a sermon at friday prayers in years. does that appearance alone send

a message? what message do we know the white house is taking from that? >> yeah. i mean, look, there had been some hope the new president of iran was a little more moderate. when i say moderate, i mean in the iranian context, of course. that was the hope in washington anyway. what we hear now, of course, from the israelis is stop being so afraid of iran. let us take them out when they're on their back foot. this is an okay time without their self-deferring on the fear president biden has been trying to avoid for the last year. it leaves biden, of course, where he does not want to be as of october 8th of last year when he made his highest priority of avoiding a more escalatory region-wide war that would engulf the entire middle east.

we don't know at this point where this will lead. iran has had two strikes against israel that didn't work. it didn't go very far. does that mean iran, therefore, is more of a paper tiger than people feared? or is it poking the bear and sometimes they're going to respond in a way or any kinds of options that could make the world a more dangerous place. >> all the right questions and the growing anxiety as we wait for answers. up next, hospitals across the country preparing for critical shortages of medical supplies after helene knocked out the north carolina factory where they're made. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. hris jang reports" only on msnbc

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the headline in the "raleigh news and observer" today captured the sheer magnitude of destruction in parts of north carolina. new satellite images reveal the jarring comparison. on the left, what western north carolina looked like before the storm, and there on the right you see the aftermath. helicopters like these still delivering supplies, because ground travel is impossible in some areas. that's also why fema's director told lester holt there are

people who have not been reached yet. >> what's the order of priority right now? >> it is still life safety. there's a lot of search and rescue teams here on the ground. the next one is the commodity delivery, keeping that flow of commodities into the communities, making sure we're reaching people that haven't been reached yet. >> sam brock is just outside asheville, north carolina. i'm wondering, sam, how they're getting information and supplies to people in those hard-to-reach areas. i'm assuming some of them don't even have communication yet. >> reporter: many people don't have communication, chris. it's spotty. it goes in, it goes out. there's an effort to bring in starlink, but it's super patchy. if you don't have running water and electricity and cell service, civilization does cease to function in the modern sense.

the areas you talked about that are not accessible is not here. the highway and the roadways are opened up. there are bridges that have eroded and certain impasses that can't be bridged. that's why you're seeing all of these planes fly over our heads. private supply planes, government planes as well, all that is going on. the mud is so thick here, you can see the tracks where crews came through. it's several feet deep. your foot will just sink if i go into this. fatalities have exceeded 215 in the six days. we're expecting that to rise later today. the sheriff talked about 200 people missing. they started with 400, then were down to four and then 200.

i went and spoke with a church group later today that largely their congregants don't speak english or it's their second language. they were doing door knocking to make sure everyone is cared for. they weren't aware of anyone missing. it's unclear if their system is mixing with the county system. it's very difficult to say. there's a public health hazard having to do with the river water. take a listen to this. >> all of the rivers in our area should be treated basically as a hazmat site. please do not touch the water or get near the water if you do not have to. there are other resources. we cannot stress enough that all of this water flowing through our community right now should be treated as it is a hazardous material. >> reporter: it's tough, chris, because we have heard

anecdotically from some of these residents that are really strapped right now that they are using river water for bathing. people are urged not to do that. just one of the things we're keeping our eye on right now. >> sam brock, thank you for your extraordinary reporting. i want to bring in dr. john torres. what goes through your mind? >> it was an eye opener listening to this. you need water to survive, obviously. if you're not getting water, you're looking at river water. the problem with river water is all the chemical contamination is in there. if the water is fairly clean but with maybe bacteria in there, we say boil it. but do not do that because of the chemical hazards in there could be very dangerous. >> there's also a wider problem that's going to be felt in hospitals across the country, because about ten miles away

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the number one issue in the polls, the economy, long viewed as a vulnerability for democrats may be turning into a source of strength roughly a month out from the election or, at a

minimum, less of a vulnerability, especially among women. a new american university poll shows the majority of women trust kamala harris more than trump to bring down inflation. she also leads by eight points on who they trust to handle the economy. these are from a democratic pollster, but fall in line with other recent polls we've seen. that comes as a new jobs report shows the labor market grew by 250,000 jobs last month. that's far better than projection. and a port strike that could have had massive political implications for the country ended, a big relief for democrats. how do you take these kind of disparate things and put it together as a campaign and say this is why you should vote for us? >> i think the numbers are

shifting in their direction, showing momentum. this is a national poll, but it does trend with battleground states. people are optimistic in the economy. they are seeing prices come down, inflation come down. they are seeing jobs reports and unemployment extremely low. i think that's kind of what you're seeing with these numbers and people feeling optimistic. one thing in this poll said 18% of independent women were going to be voting for harris. that's a very large number. sorry, the difference is 18% between her and trump. that's a really large number of independent women that are going to break for harris. >> i was thinking about this today when you look at how the

biden/harris administration handles their role in hopefully getting this tentative deal and using that to win over some blue collar voters, some red voters. but it is how individual people feel about their individual pocketbooks. so i wonder what you think about the settling of this strike. obviously it would have been very bad if it went on for a long time. but also that reality versus perception, personal perception where i think a lot of people vote. >> i think it takes about five to seven days for the strike to hit people's pocketbooks. i do think we avoided a lot of negative feelings going into the election. i don't think that would have been great for the harris campaign. but i also think the administration continues to show they are for the middle class. i think they also see the

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this controversy hits lawler's reelection campaign as he is locked in that incredibly close race. it's one of several, as you know, basil smikle, in the state of new york. lawler beat sean patrick maloney by fewer than 2,000 votes. can something like this with 32 days to go make a difference? >> with kamala harris on the top of the ticket, and jones, who has run a strong campaign, and has the opportunity to hit hard on this issue, and erase some money off of this, and say, this is why we need to get mike lawler out of this race. i do think this is a development that we really needed, democrats really needed in a really tight race in a state that democrats really need to be able to take back the house. >> there's no doubt about that. democrats lost five seats in new

york in 2022, and so they've got a plan. you know what it is to have a plan in new york. a purple state, even though, new york, you know, is a blue state. linking state and local party operations, opening 40 offices in seven house districts, hiring 100 full-time staffers. is it smart? is it enough? >> it is smart. it is enough, and the dnc is putting more money into state parties than they have before, which is fantastic because that infrastructure becomes really important. everybody down ballot and being able, for democrats, to be able to contest in every part of the state in every race is critically important. can i make this one point about black face because some people will say, you know, there wasn't an intention here, but let me talk about the intentionality of black face. somebody has gone out and bought makeup or polish and taken time to stroke their face with this makeup or polish, being careful to go around the eyes and around

the ears and look themselves in the face and say, you know what, i'm happy and comfortable with the way that i look. there is nothing unintentional about that. my culture is not your costume. and i can't understand how we can say this over and over and over again, and there are no repercussions for this. there have been other people across the country, elected officials, the governor of virginia, by the way, who has done this with no repercussions at all. and we have to get to a point -- >> why? >> because for some reason, they have had the ability to slide it under the rug. it's like, i'm sorry, it will never happen again. i was just honoring someone or i was just making a joke or i was just doing it, not thinking about the history of it. we've talked about the history. we've talked about where this comes from. but the problem is that there are a lot of folks around these individuals that just let it slide, don't call them on this, and there is this sort of on

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