good to be with you, i'm katy tur. we start with politics today. just 32 days until the election. and with so little time left before november 5th, both candidates are in swing states, vp kamala harris is in michigan, specifically the union stronghold of flint, hoping to chip into donald trump's support among working class voters. donald trump, meanwhile, is in georgia, alongside governor brian kemp where the campaign says he will be talking about hurricane relief efforts. again, it is the final stretch

and there is still so much at, the storm devastation, and daunting recovery along with trump's false claim that the federal government doesn't have the money to help because it stole funds from fema to house migrants. the economy and the changing poll numbers on it, along with more good news, more jobs data today that was good. helping to fuel a democratic comeback on economic vibes. there's also another difficult abortion story. this one out of california where the state's ag says a woman was illegally denied emergency care along with melania trump's surprise endorsement of a woman's right to choose, and then there is the election itself, along with donald trump's stubborn refusal to accept the results of the last one, and his continued claims that the system is already rigged against him this time around. again, a lot at issue. joining us now, nbc news correspondent garrett haake who

is in flint, michigan, for us, covering harris for a change. and in columbia county, georgia, nbc news correspondent, shaquille brewster. so, garrett, i will begin with you, what are you doing in flint with harris? and what's she talking about? >> reporter: well, we were in the neighborhood having covered donald trump in saginaw yesterday, and it seemed like a great opportunity to see these two candidates back-to-back in similar areas, it was fascinating to see kamala harris in detroit this morning, really trying to take on donald trump head on on organized labor, on unions, trying to stop any momentum he might be seeing with labor focused voters, suggesting that everything that comes out of his mouth about support for labor is a lie. listen to what she said at a fire house, notably, just outside detroit. >> this is a man who has been a union buster his entire career, who has called union leaders,

quote, dudes sucking people. and as president, he did not lift a finger to save the pensions of millions of american workers. we did. we did. this is a man who sold promise after promise to american workers but never delivered. donald trump's rack record is a disaster for working people. >> reporter: so, katy, if kamala harris was stung by the firefighters union decision yesterday not to endorse, there you see her stinging back, and i think labor will be another key topic. you can see the colored t-shirts over my shoulder, behind me, and behind harris, these are all representative of unions here tonight showing their support. >> because you have been in the unique position of having now been to both campaigns during this election cycle.

can you compare and contrast the crowds, compare and contrast the rallies, the vibes, what's it like? >> i can try. we haven't seen harris take the stage yet, but i was in this same arena for an event for donald trump a couple of weeks ago. footprint was similar. the enthusiasm is similar. for trump, we're used to seeing line up hours and hours to get a glimpse of someone who has become part of their lives. similar enthusiasm to those who got here early in the rain to try to hear from kamala harris. i will say the crowd here is certainly more diverse, and i think, you know, it's tough to eyeball it, but i think also more women, and certainly more women who told me they were very excited to come out and show their support for harris. i think that's going to be one of these huge stories here down the stretch in not just cities but in suburbs.

who's talking to some of the female voters who have been the swing contingent in these races, who's figuring out exactly how to communicate with them on the issues they care about in the end. i'm curious to see how harris and female surrogates, including likely the governor of michigan addressed that here tonight in flint. >> it's priceless experience to see both campaigns up close. i'm glad you got to do it. let's talk about trump in georgia. you covered everybody as well. georgia is so interesting because donald trump's campaign says he's going down there to talk about storm recovery but appearing alongside governor brian kemp. he has not appeared alongside him since 2020 when governor kemp refused to help him try to overturn the election. he has been pretty mad at him for his refusal to do so. what are you seeing today? >> well, we just got our hands on some prepared remarks, and those remarks at least, as prepared for delivery, as we think he will deliver them.

it appears as if he is going to praise governor brian kemp for his disaster response saying essentially that the governor is working around the clock for the people of georgia. the former president is here in georgia now. we haven't seen the two appear together just yet. but we do know that he will be traveling the area, meeting with first responders and volunteers. he'll get a briefing from local emergency management officials, and then you'll see the two appear here, and one of the other things that we expect to hear from the former president is something similar to what we heard earlier this week. he talks about elon musk. and the fact that he has gotten -- he has gotten a commitment for elon musk to work with local officials here to provide the star link devices. we know that, of course, communication continues to be an issue, not just in this area, but also in north carolina. so you can expect the tone, i think, katy, you can see from behind me, the fact that you have water, towels, emergency supplies here. you can expect the tone to be focused on the disaster relief and based on the signals we have

gotten from this campaign, you can expect the tone to be much more positive than what we heard a couple of months ago, when he was also saying he was a disloyal guy. >> shaquille brewster, garrett haake, thank you very much. and joining us now, allergies are killing me this season. "the washington post" senior national political correspondent and msnbc political analyst, ashley parker, and staff writer with "the atlantic," and msnbc political contributor, mark leibovich. ashley, 32 days to go, we see both candidates in swing states. what do you see as the most important question each of them has to answer for voters for the next month? >> reporter: that's a great question, and it's sort of what's stunning to me, and when you say voters, is how small the group of voters they are trying to answer that question for is. and those persuadable voters who don't exactly look quite similar. although, they are both trying

to win over younger voters as defined as under 60 and those in both campaigns, more heavily male. for someone like vice president harris, a lot of things we hear voters say about her is they want to know more about her. and in talking to a ton of experts, part of that, they say, can be sort of a latent, subconscious sexism or bias that female candidates are held to a different bar and different standards than their male counter parts, and part of that they say actually in this piece is very legitimate. nobody pays attention to vice presidents, regardless of who they are. she came on the scene at the top of the ticket very recently. she does need to answer, who is she, what is her plan, what is she going to do to help the lives of americans. and for donald trump, it's a little different. what people like and also what they deeply dislike about him is baked into the cake. so some of what he has to do is

left answering the question, and more not reminding this very small but determinative sliver of voters, everything they don't like about him, the chaos, the insults, the name calling, the sort of dark dystopian revision, and revenge he's wrecking on his political opponents. he needs to steer clear of that, as much as he needs to answer permanent questions. >> peggy noonen had an interesting article on this candidate. what each voter or supporter of each candidate should be worried about, and she mentions donald trump and the chaos and the seemingly losing his grasp on things even further, the lies. speaking of lies, what donald trump said about fema and where the money went or where the money is yesterday, let's listen. >> we had the best four years with hurricanes. we took care of people. now we have a horrific disaster in north carolina, georgia,

south carolina, alabama, tennessee, florida, and virginia. that's how big this hurricane was. and the harris/biden administration says they don't have any money. they've spent all of their money. they have almost no money because they spent it all on illegal migrants. they stole the fema money, just like they stole it from a bank so they could give it to their illegal immigrants that they want to have vote for them this season. >> we had the best four years with hurricanes, what a strange thing to say. i think you would ask the people of puerto rico how they did with the hurricane when donald trump was in office, and that recovery effort. that being beside the point, this idea, this lie, mark, that fema doesn't have any money, the administration has said this is not true, there's no evidence to suggest it's true. where does he get this stuff from? >> he just makes it up. i mean, it's lies.

you called it out. i think what's interesting about this is not just sort of, you know, obviously lies like this which were so egregious, they need to be called out, but i think the larger point is he's walking into the middle of one of the most affected states in a catastrophic natural disaster, and he is basically perpetrating the message that this is terrible and the federal government -- i mean, he's undermining this relief effort in every way, shape and form. kemp has talked about this in the last few days, thom tillis, senator from north carolina, this is not making anyone's job on the ground easier. it's not making the political situation, certainly, look functional at all. and i think in some ways, ashley mentioned sort of the latent message here. this is a reminder of a chaos agent going right into the middle of an inherently chaotic situation, which is a natural disaster of this magnitude, and that is the exhaustion that the donald trump, i think, could --

that could be his biggest obstacle here, i mean, just the weariness of what this looks like when leadership of some kind is needed, and frankly, look, most people don't have immediate recall or knowledge or what is a lie and what is true. they're going to look at a person of authority like donald trump, and they're going to be inclined, i think, in many cases to believe it. i mean, so that's unfortunate on a lot of levels. it's how he operates and not a new story. >> maybe they won't go to a new source to figure out if it's true. they won't bother to do that. speaking of peggy noonen, she has an assessment of harris. this one is interesting. harris still hasn't given voters a satisfying sense of what she is about, what the purpose of her political career is. she hasn't fleshed out her political intent, what she stands for, what she won't abide, what she means to accomplish, and what she won't let happen. what is her essential mission, is it national repair, is it to

stabilize an unstable country, relaunch, more from the stop than the bottom, period, america as defender of democracy in the world, is it about focusing now first and until something works on the hay daily cost of living. there's nothing to reduce, she so far hasn't conveyed a sense of intellectual grasp. it's harsh. do you agree with that. do you think people understand why she wants to be in office and what her goals are, mark? >> i don't know wrote you begin, it's a very short campaign. i think what she's trying to do is define herself in the broad brushes of where she is on big issues, reproductive rights, the economy, the environment, democracy, that kind of thing. the broadest of brushes is an alternative to donald trump, and what she has done is make herself acceptable, redefined

herself, reintroduced herself, and i think she has been effective between the convention, between the debate performance, between the picking of tim walz and a number of other things, but i think, really, the last six weeks of this campaign or five weeks of the campaign is where, i mean, ultimately that kind of journey is going to be defined one way or the other. >> i did not get to abortion like i wanted to, so everybody go out there, go to "washington post," go to republican from abortion restrictions in final weeks of campaign. that's ashley parker's latest piece on the subject. we're going to have something later with what happened in california on the attorney general and the subject of abortion. ashley, thank you, and mark leibovich, thank you, still ahead, what a better than expected jobs report could do for vice president harris until the polls, and one week after assassinating hezbollah's leader, what israel just did to take it a step further. plus, we're live on the ground in tennessee in an area hit hard by helene. what people there are telling

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million jobs since i've come to office, more in any presidential term in history. >> talking about jobs, a better than expected jobs report was released today, and it quieted the fears of an economic slowdown. the economy added 254,000 jobs in september, the strongest monthly gain since march. and perhaps most importantly, americans are seeing more money in their paychecks. average hourly earnings grew 4% over the last year. joining us now, nbc news senior business correspondent christine romans. >> hey. >> i kind of lost my mind this morning because we have had pretty much every economic indicator that we have experienced in the last couple of years has been on the right track. good, good, good, good, good, and every single time we still say, but the fears of a recession are still looming. how is that possible? why do we talk about a recession

constantly when we have not seen ourselves close to one yet? >> the naysayers have been wrong for about two years now, quite frankly, putting to rest concerns that we were on the edge of a crumbling job market. a quarter million jobs in a month is a good job market. you hear people say, we're expecting things to slow down later. >> has it always been like this? >> what do you mean? >> do we talk about a recession incessantly until we're in a recession. >> there has been something different about the last couple of years. everyone thought there would be a recession, and kept broadcasting it over and over again, it just wasn't. it never happened. you were living through a really good economy with the stock market hitting records and records, and people were waiting for the shoe to drop. >> are we the problem? is this the reason people have bad feelings about the economy? >> i was talking to reporters today. we have our reporters embedded all over the country, and talking to voters about what they think about the economy, and mostly what i'm getting is

i'm doing great, but everyone else is not, or i'm doing great but i'm ticked off about child care costs or i'm doing great but i can't afford to move some place else. it's affordability that's a problem, even though top line numbers look pretty good, in fact, really good. the affordability is gnawing at people. >> i did pay $30 for a salad and tuna today down the street in new york city, and i was horrified, not even a drink. just a tuna salad, i thought that was insane. i want to talk about poll numbers. donald trump is with brian kemp in georgia talking about recovery efforts, also going to be pretty costly. poll numbers show that kamala harris is closing the gap on the economy with voters, but she's also winning on the economy with female voters, how do you explain that? >> i don't know. these polls right now, i watch them like you do, and i feel like in five weeks, we have no idea what's going to happen. i think it's a not very scientific or economic term, but

time heals all wounds. the longer we go from inflation shock and covid shock as people get used to baseline prices, the pain of the economy or what they think are the affordability of the economy starts to go, you know, to drift behind them, but, again, you look at these numbers, there are a lot of people getting jobs. there are record small business creation. people say they don't feel great about the economy, and they act the opposite way. >> they're spending money like crazy. >> they're spending money like crazy. something interesting happened this year, travel used to be something that was a maybe, if you could afford it. america and americans now travel is a necessity. we moved into this new gear where we -- americans spend money, but we complain about it. americans are spending a lot of money. >> like me and my crazy $30 salad, i'm going to be thinking about that today. it's an insane amount of money. this is why i bring my lunch.

christine romans, thank you very much. >> you're welcome. we're going to change gears. what is happening in lebanon where israel targeted hezbollah's presumed new leader. and a survivor of helene on what the storm has done to her. >> one minute i'm baking cookies, and the next minute i'm fighting for my life, and my whole life has been turned upside down. upside down. start your day with nature made. the #1 pharmacist recommended vitamin and supplement brand.

look, the israelis have every right to respond to the vicious attacks on them, not just from the iranians, everyone from hezbollah to houthis, anyway, and but the fact is that you have to be very much more careful about dealing with civilian casualties. >> how should they respond? you express concerns about attacks on iranian oil facilities, how should they respond? >> that's between me and them. >> president biden in the

briefing room, in an intense round of air strikes, israeli targeted the cousin and presumed successor of hassan nasrallah, the leader of the u.s. designated terror group hezbollah who israel killed last week with a 2,000 pound bunker busting bomb. the idf is assessing whether he was killed among other militants. at least five hospitals across lebanon are out of service. israeli strikes also cut off a key road that hundreds of thousands had been using to flee to syria. joining us now, nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel and with me is international correspondent raf sanchez in the northern most israeli city near the border with lebanon. what is the latest? >> reporter: so we can start with those attacks in beirut,

and they are not limited. there are now frequent israeli air strikes in beirut. there are drones flying over the city. there are drones flying over this city. we were listening to them not long ago. there is outgoing hezbollah fire from here. there is a ground war between israeli troops and hezbollah fighters in southern lebanon. and so there is now an open ground war, an open air war that seems to be intensifying by the day. you talked about those strikes in beirut. there were ten separate air strikes at least in beirut, very close to the beirut international airport. they targeted, according to an israeli official, the presumed successor, to the hezbollah leader, who was assassinated a week ago. no clarity, that i have at this point, if he, in fact, was killed or survived. but apparently it was an underground bunker facility, and it was -- and it was targeted

and blew up repeatedly. the question that people in beirut are having, people across the region are having, where does this go. the answer that many lebanese are finding is it's starting to look and feel as they imagined it felt in gaza in the early days when hospitals are starting to be shut down. when you're seeing day after day of evacuation orders, when you're seeing main supply routes closed. when there are constant drones overhead, people here saw what happened in gaza, and they are very nervous that the same scenario is going to be fall this country. >> wow, raf, from the israeli perspective, what are you seeing there? >> reporter: richard talked about how people in lebanon are starting to feel the way people inside gaza felt. i can tell you on this side of the border, it's starting to

feel eerily similar to how it felt on the gaza border on the weeks after october 7th. the entire world knew israel was amassing for a ground invasion of gaza. you may be able to hear outgoing israeli artillery. the whole world knew they were amassing for a ground invasion of gaza, and it's feeling very similar tonight here in northern israel. we have been here four days. every day, we are seeing more and more israeli ground forces, we drove past a field earlier, yesterday it was empty. today it was full of dozens of israeli tanks, armored personnel carriers, every indication is that while israel is tellings world this is a targeted operation against hezbollah forces immediately on the other side of the border that they have the strength here for potentially a much much larger operation. and we are seeing in these constant evacuation orders that they are issuing to lebanese civilians, those evacuation orders began immediately on the

border. those small villages where hezbollah fighters have been camped out, and those evacuation orders are going further and further into lebanon. they gave an order for people in napatieh, it is outside the buffer zone between israel and hezbollah, north of the litani river. the world, the middle east, waiting to see how israel will respond to that iranian ballistic missile attack. we at this point don't have any sense of the exact timing, but it does seem that one of the options that prime minister netanyahu is considering is an attack on iran's oil production facilities. those would be a softer target, a less provocative target than an attack on iran's nuclear program, and it's worth noting

that when israel has struck against houthi militants in yemen, it has gone after oil supplies which cause just an enormous fire ball, huge pillar of smoke, a very very visible way of signaling to your enemies that you can reach them, katy. >> gentlemen, thank you very much. we'll watch and see what happened at a catholic california hospital that prompted a lawsuit from the state's attorney general. that is coming up. first, though, the woman who owns this floating house was inside it as it drifted away. what she told nbc news about the day she was rescued. rescued. with dawn platinum... and not even scrubbing. —well, fluff my feathers. — [giggle] it cuts through the slimy stuff better than their old dish soap, removing 99% of grease. that's why only dawn is trusted to save wildlife. subject 1: who's coming in the driveway? subject 2: dad! dad! dad, we missed you! daddy, hi! subject 3: goodness!

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the death toll from hurricane helene is now at 223. hundreds of others still remain unaccounted for. joining us now, nbc news correspondent marissa parra, who is in erwin, tennessee, for us. marissa, what is it like there? >> reporter: katy, i can tell you, being on the ground, something that i find striking is you see the devastation. you see the images, you hear the numbers, the death toll rising as a number. you hear the number of missing rising or fluctuating as a number. what i wanted to do as someone on the ground hearing stories all around me is take a deep dive on one person's story, just to illustrate what so many others have gone through. so i want to take you to this video, if we can pull that up, there's this video that went viral of a home floating down

the river during the worst of the flooding, that's in jonesboro, tennessee, and if you look at the video, you might see a distant shadow on the porch. this went viral across social media platforms. i couldn't help but wonder. i saw in the comments, what happened to the person on the porch. i wanted to know. i was able to get in touch with her and her family. what i found out was more heartbreaking, she was a trapped on the front porch, her dog clutching her, clinging to the front porch for dear life. her husband is on the other side of the home. this home floats into trees. it starts to splinter apart, and here's a little bit of our interview with her as she said, first responders, those rescuers approached her. here's what we heard. >> so the rescue crew would blow a whistle, and i would scream help. i would scream help. and about the time that they came around, probably 20 feet away, i could see the red front of that rubber boat. that's when my house started

popping and cracking and breaking apart, and i had to jump, and i'm in the water. and i seriously, i don't know how deep it was, but i sank. >> reporter: the rescue crew was able to get her from the water. she never saw her husband alive or her dog ever again. and this is one story, katy. her husband, jerry hunter, is among the over 200 who have been confirmed dead. so many others still missing across this entire region. and so when we talk about the toll here, it's so much more than a number, as we know, that's our job here is to show the human aspect of it all. jerry hunter is among those who have been confirmed dead, but even though who survived, like vicky, have so much heartbreak ahead. she not only didn't have flood insurance. she doesn't know what she's going to do. she is homeless currently and so many others. 2% of those impacted had flood

insurance. on top of that, she's homeless, living with her sister, and now she's planning her husband's funeral on top of all of it. you may be able to hear a helicopter whirring ahead, there has been so much help around the region, people driving five hours, donating their own time. that appears to be a federal helicopter. we have seen people using their private resources to give aid however, and wherever they can. >> marissa, such a heartbreaking story. thank you very much for bringing it to us. still ahead, we've got other sad stuff. what nbc news correspondent, jacob soboroff learned when he embedded with a separated migrant family. a new film takes us inside his journey. this matters. the election is coming up. first, what california is accusing a catholic hospital of doing to a woman who was suffering a life threatening miscarriage. california. ia

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suing a catholic hospital for illegally denying a woman abortion care. joining us now, california attorney general rob banta, what exactly happened here? >> back in february this year, a patient, anna nuslok had a terrible and tragic unlawful thing happen to her. she was pregnant with twins, and she had a premature bursting of her amniotic sack, and she went in to the emergency room in her area in eureka, california, in the far north, providence st. joseph hospital, and essentially instead of being provided with care, because of her life threatening condition, she was turned away. she found out the tragic news that both of her twins that she was carrying were not viable. they were not going to make it, and her life was threatened

because of the potential for infection and hemorrhaging, and she was told that because there was a heart tone detected, even with the nonviable twins, they could not provide her emergency care. now, mind you, this is an emergency room, abortion is health care, abortion is emergency care, and they refused to provide it against california law, the california emergency services law. they gave her a bucket with towels in it when they sent her away, quote, in case something happened in the car. she asked if she could drive to ucsf, which was a number of hours away, they told her she would hemorrhage and die before she arrived. they knew her life was at risk. they refused to comply with the law and provide the life saving care she needed. she had to go 20 minutes to a community hospital called mad river, and when she got on the operating table she was already hemorrhaging, indeed her life was at risk, her health at serious risk. this should never happen. this was against the law.

she was mourning and traumatized in pain and bleeding and was not provided the emergency care that the law requires. >> the hospital says it's reviewing the situation. a spokesperson told the associated press that it reached out to anna, and apologized. it was revisiting training and education in emergency medical situations saying they're going to learn from this. the doctor, are you concerned that the doctor might try to sue over this themselves, and say that they don't believe in abortion because of a religious belief and that this is the sort of thing that could be taken back to the supreme court. i'm not saying it's happening. i'm asking if you're worried about the potential for that? >> we think that the u.s. supreme court has settled this area of the law. so as the california supreme court, when there is a law that is neutral and of general applicability as is california's

emergency services law, then an appeal to the first amendment does not overcome and outweigh the need to provide life saving emergency care or emergency care that is jeopardy to an individual's health or a medical hazard. so we believe that it's settled. we don't know who will do what and who will decide to sue. that will be up to them, but we believe we are on very firm and solid legal ground based on the facts here. this is the emergency care setting where people can lose lives and health can be damaged forever, and there was a duty, it was clear. and the first amendment or a religious belief does not overcome the duty to provide that emergency services care. >> is anna okay? >> she's traumatized. physically, i stood by her. i was able to give her a hug. and share my sympathies for what she had to go through. what she's very focused on is making sure that while her tragic incident happened to her,

it doesn't happen to anyone else. i'm focused on that too. and i know that she's even more courageous and resilient and powerful because she's working through her own pain to fight for others who she may never know, and they may never know her. she may help save their lives and make their health better if we achieve the change we're seeking here. >> the way it's been described an awful situation, very scary, and traumatizing. ag bonta, thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you for having me, katy. the new film that takes us inside the realities of the trump family separation policy at the border with some of the people that saw it happen in realtime. don't go anywhere. it was a program designed to be a child protection program for children who entered the united states without parents and it was instead used as a tool to take children from their parents. ke children from their parents. they release medicine fast for fast pain relief. and now, get max strength topical pain relief precisely where you need it.

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>> separation from your parents is a profoundly traumatizing event, but systematic separation of children from parents officially it wasn't happening, but it was happening. ♪♪ >> you should tell me how you got involved in all of this. >> define "all of this." ♪♪ >> their version of stopping people interest coming into the country was taking children away from their parents so that they wouldn't come. >> our field staff started to notice very young kids, tender age, anyone below five. that's kind of unusual, right? >> what your intolerance did was turn their helpers into their worst nightmare.

♪♪ >> a few thought the child was in danger that's the only circumstance to which you would separate? >> i can't imagine doing anything otherwise. >> the government thought that showing the world separations through the eyes of people like me, they would keep the set of people attempting to come from coming. >> is that a good strategy. >> if you are a family and break the law you will be incarcerated. >> i have never seen anything like that. there are about 1,500 kids in there. >> you are a parent. don't you have any empathy for what they go through? >> we now know this was right from the get-go. someone must have been planning this. >> a federal judge says the government needs to reunite young immigrant children with their families. >> their assessment in the

system doesn't have that much information. what's your mom's name? mom. every mom, her name is mom. >> do i call this child abuse? do i call it torture? >> separation was the purpose. prosecution was the tool. >> it's not over. five years later, we are still trying to reunite up to 1,000 children. >> there is really nothing to stop this. >> this is a new era. >> it troubles me profoundly that it could happen again. ♪♪ >> that it could happen again. we are 32 days from an election and the person who initiated that policy is running for election again, wants to be president again. i know, jacob, you have asked him a number of people within the trump orbit whether they

would do it again. i have as well. haven't gotten a straight answer from them on t asked on the debate stage also. erroll, what compelled you to make this book into a documentary? >> it's an important issue. i like the book. i could see -- not very clearly, i might add, but i could see making a movie out of it. >> why did you want to make an movie out of it? >> it's an important issue. we are a country of immigrants. i'm an american jew, my entire family emigrated to the united states from poland and we all know what would have happened if they hadn't come here, it would not have had a good outcome. immigration is essential to this country and here we have a policy based on demonizing

immigrants, vilifying immigrants. i don't want to add to a list of adjectives, but there's something really truly terrible about it. >> when you started this donald trump wasn't running for office again. i think we can say that, right? >> that's right. >> do you see it now as a warning? >> i think he was always running for office. he was always somewhere lurking in the shadows and he's frightening. i can tell you quite simply he frightens me. it's a visceral reaction. i don't even think it's intellectual anymore. i used to describe it as i want my mommy politics, it's the only thing i can think really to do at times would be to crawl under the bed and start sucking my thumb, but the opportunity to do something, to weigh in in some way on these issues, i'm pleased.

>> just quickly, he has put it in the context, erroll has in the way only erroll can as a filmmaker of decades of bipartisan deterrents-based policy. what donald trump did wouldn't have been possible were it not for democratic administrations treating immigration as a deterrents policy, something to punish and harm people from coming to the united states to do and that's how we ended up with the separation policy, where we are today. there are a lot more questions to ask which is what erroll does magnificently. >> jacob, it might have been a slippery slope from one administration to another. >> i'm going to tell everybody go to your screen right now, there is a qr code, you can watch the documentary and join me and jacob and erroll for a conversation about the film tonight. we're going to get into more of the slippery slope, et cetera. tickets can be bought here, there are also other showings at new york's ifc center through october 10th. that will do it for me