the official acts in prosecution. this could be, not only widespread crimes, but we would not even know about it, ali. it would be against that triangle. the haves and have-nots, winners and losers based on arbitrary criteria, not fairness . as much as it is impossible to achieve complete equality, the idea behind the constitution is that there are processes to ensure it is not arbitrary winners and losers placed based on political loyalty. my deepest concern is that americans will feel chilled . they will feel chilled in who they talk to me who they associate with, what they post on social media, that there will be retaliation. when we can't speak, ali, we can't think freely. that is when we really lose humanity. everything is on the line in november. >> kim good to talk to you as always. thank you for joining us. kim whaley, university of baltimore school of law professor, author of "pardon power" and we have still got another hour of "velshi"

underway. campaigning for kim harris in michigan right now after the event, shawn fain will join us to discuss the importance of union support in this election. another hour of "velshi" begins right now. ns right now. 31 days until election day with voting underway in several states and both campaigns ramping up their efforts as we enter the final high-stakes push to november 5th. vice president harris is expected to travel to north carolina to survey the damage caused by hurricane helene while donald trump alongside the tech billionaire elon musk will be in butler, pennsylvania, returning to the site for the first time since the assassination attempt against him in july. meanwhileag bernie sanders and sean fain are rallying union members in michigan. we will talk to sean fain later in the show. the month before the election day, mistakes could not be higher.

republican plans and agenda 47 to drastically alter the structure of the federal government and reshape the power around a man who tried to overturn the last election and who has pledged retribution against his political enemies present a clear and present danger to our democracy. for donald trump this week was a stark reminder that though he has been granted aid and reprieve again and again he has not willing escaped legal accountability. jack smith filing slurs a dual purpose at this point. it signals what is at stake trump himself. his legal troubles are not over. for the rest of us it is a red light warning of donald trump and his accolades in the face of electoral defeat judge chutkan unsealing the filing on wednesday revealing the most comprehensive picture yet of trump's desperate attempt to cling to power at all cost after he lost the last election. one of the most revelations is

the response after learning that his vice presidents safety was at risk after the capital was breached. so what? jack smith uses the incident and much of the evidence he presents to make the case that trump was not acting in his official capacity when he schemed to overturn the election results in 2020. a . and acting in his official capacity would care about the safety of his vice president but we will return to that in a moment. less than 24 hours after the release of this motion, liz cheney, the daughter of the consumer icon dick cheney went to rippon, wisconsin, the birthplace of the republican party. they warned of the threat that trump poses to democracy, should he return to power. >> i know that the most conservative of conservative values is fidelity to our constitution. i tell you i've never voted for a democrat.

this year, i am probably casting my vote for vice president kamala harris. what january 6th shows us is that there is not an and, not an ounce of compassion in donald trump. he is petty. he is vindictive and he is cool. donald trump is not fit to lead this good and great nation. >> that same day trump was in saginaw, michigan, where he peddled lies about the 2020 election along with his daily fear mongering of immigrants. what is new in jack smith latest court filing? the latest account provides striking new details about trump's state of mind in the lead up to the capital riot. the effort comes after the supreme court's controversial and criticized ruling in july which expanded presidential immunity. smith is pulling out all the stops this time to convince the courts that the case against trump should proceed despite

the conservative led supreme court's new immunity test jack smith main goal of the motion is to show that trump's actions, as he tried to overturn election results, were those of a private person and not those of a present carrying out official duties. smith draws a critical distinction between whether trump was acting as president or as political candidate. the motion point the new testimony from a secret service agent who said trump's securityc detail on january 6th, quote, was not getting information about the rally from their counterparts at the white house. it was noticed after the event. this was a campaign driven event. the motion highlights trump's practice of exuding white house advisers and relying on private or campaign lawyers when pressuring pence to overturn the electoral count. according to the filing, quote, it is hard to imagine stronger evidence that conduct is private and when the president excludes his white house counsel and only wishes to have his private counsel present.

the filing also presents communication showing that trump knew he had lost the election but continue to spread lies about election subversion. among the most damning evidence to show that trump had no intention of respecting the election outcome is a staffer who overheard trump telling family members, quote, it does not matter if you won or lost the election but you still have to fight. one of the most shocking revelations described an incident involving a batch of vote in detroit that heavily favored president joe biden. a trump campaign employee urged a calling to find a reason to dispute the legitimacy of those votes. when it was triggered that it could have civil unrest the trump employee respond with, make them riot. let us zoom out. by now, we all have fatigue from keeping up with trump's many indictments, hearings and cases. fatigue from his nonstop fear mongering fatigue from a

republican party that is held back on dividing the nation for this latest unsealed motion may not register much after all we have endured over the past year. it's gravity should not be understated this is an historic document smith takes care in this latest filing to sort out official acts from unofficial ones making a careful case election subversion is simply not a core function of the executive branch or the president. it is legal jargon a present trump knew he was peddling a lie and manipulating his base as pawns in a larger scheme to overturn the ballot election results. he knew he was risking the safety of his vice president on january 6th when he tweeted that he lacks courage. he egg on his supporters to gather at the capital despite being told repeatedly by state officials that there was no proof of election fraud. trump knew he lost. st he simply did not care.

plotting to overturn election results, according to smith, cannot be considered an official act of the executive office. surely that is not what the framers had in mind the greater the office of the presidency. at its coarseness criminal indictment seek to demonstrate that trump is not above the law and no president should be or as smith puts it, he must stand trial for his private crimes as would any other citizen. whether that happens is yet to be seen. wh this trial will not see the if trump is re- elected or if it reaches the same supreme court that got eli miss previous indictment the conduct laid out in this motion could easily be ripped from today's headlines. smith's latest filing is not about a specific moment in time, it is a glimpse it is a warning of what is to come. trump has shown no sign of a banning of lie about the 2020 election and is sowing the same chaos ahead of the upcoming a lesson.

his attitude towards our democratic institution and the lives of americans endangered by his words, including his own followers, remains essentially, so what? that is white jack smith pursuit of justice will go down in history as one of the greatest indefenses of our democracy. we are all part of this effort. as americans cast their votes over the next few weeks we will participate in the largest and most critical effort yet to safeguard our democracy from the existential threat posed by donald trump. joining me to discuss this is tom nichols, a staff writer at the atlanta and professor emeritus of national security affairs at the u.s. naval war college. he is also the author of our own worst enemy: assault from within on modern democracy liz rubin joint is now, a msnbc legal correspondent and a ru former litigator . thank you for being here. tom, i want to make that point. i think what jack smith has in done is remarkable because i am

sure he thinks he should not have had to do this because of what the supreme court interpreted teams to be out of sync with what are framers wanted. that said, he had done it. that is part of an effort that we are all a part of right now. this will not hitch on jack smith or the supreme court or the election. it will be all of the above. >> reporter: the first thing i thought, he should not have had to do it. that is the worst part is the next worst part is a reminder that no matter what jack smith does, six members of the supreme court decided that donald trump must never stand trial, period.. they've narrowed the eye to microscopic level. i have no doubt that no matter what smith does, they are going to argue that donald trump exchanging oxygen for carbon dioxide is a presidential act. i guess i am pessimistic about where that goes. in terms of revealing this, yet

again, you have to wonder, when is this going to be enough, not only for voters but other republicans? elected republicans -- because the question becomes where do we go from here? what is left to say about how to safeguard our democracy from this depraved and emotionally unstable man? smith's brief really, it is remarkable that a prosecutor working for the united states of america has to put this out there and say a president of the united dates did these things and we should consider them crimes. maybe i'm just being overly nostalgic but in an earlier time, things would never have gotten this far. we would not have had avto be parsing this.

i hope it has an effect but as you say, i doubt that this trial does check -- even if trump is not elected i think the six justices said this is si our guy and he's not going to trial >> let us work that out, lisa. you do not have to have a law agreed -- lot agreed to know this is weird. jack smith had to rewrite this thing. he had to parse this for better or worse. to tom's point, he gets elected, he does not go to trial. if he doesn't, it may go to trial but tells me how this bumps up against the supreme court. tom is right, what happens then ? what happens if this gets back to the supreme whcourt in some fashion and jack smith has parsed this as well as he can. play hithis out for me. >> reporter: i think he is not re-elected there some portion of jack smith indictment that even the supreme court would agree is fair game that is because going back to their decision in july, they set up former president trump's conduct into three buckets.

there is a bucket of core constitutional conduct for which a president can never be prosecuted. they explained that, for example, the conduct with respect to department of justice officials falls into that jubucket. all the conversations he had with then acting attorney general jeff rosen and richard donahue in the days right before january 6th. that is part of what had to come out. indeed, it came out of the superseding indictment. and then you have what is the holy unofficial conduct. what is in the center is the part that bumps up against the supreme court and the morass they fear into judge chutkan's lap. that conduct which is unofficial , for which there is a rebuttable presumption that the government can overcome. and that july decision they do not explain exactly how does one overcome that presumption of immunity? what is enough to show that something is unofficial or would not threaten the presidency itself?

in this filing jack smith says that for example, when donald trump was interacting with vice president pence, they were interacting as co-candidates. none of those conversations, when viewed in the proper context, endangers the presidency or comes up against what we should consider the prerogatives of the president's. it is thef sixth justice majority on the supreme court that ultimately will make that u call. what we should consider is that former president trump will move to dismiss the superseding indictment in the coming weeks. judge chutkan will make a decision and likely it will be immediately appealed to the d.c. circuit and then to the supreme court before we can even have a conversation about what pretrial proceedings look like and what a trial would look like here. in that respect i think tom is definitely right that there is a group of people here who have not determined to prevent former president trump from seeing trial, will certainly want to narrow the conduct and

have not given judge chutkan much in the way of guidance of how to do that. >> tom, putting the legal side aside for a second and to the point that you're making the republicanst , donald trump is setting the table for a big life 2.0. i take it will be immigrants who do not speak english or do not know what country they are in but somehow they will manage to vote in massive numbers for kamala harris. j.d. vance has saidla if he were in mike pence's position, he will certify the election. they are telling you how this will unfold chastened by nothing. >> reporter: they are telling that their base with their going to do. they don't care about the rest of america. this is not a strategy to see if they can widen their coalition or bring in the independence or the undecideds. this is the 2016 strategy all over again. squeeze out the maximum number of votes you can get out of

your angry base and hope that that carries you over in the four or five swing states to thread the electrical needle that will make donald trump legally the president but, yet again, producing an outcome because of our electoral college where a minority president, who is never commanded the vote of the country becomes president again. i wanted to point out the situation we are in. something lisa said was so striking when we talk about this and she said, even the supreme court -- this is where we are now. we are faced with this obvious conduct and we are saying, this is so terrible that even the supreme court would have to notice it. i don't think they will. i think that trump's strategy , the trump's team strategy because i don't think donald trump has a strategy for

anything. it has worked. it has strong this out and turned it into a great puddle. most voters do not understand and do not care about one of the virtues of what smith did was to lay it out in compelling and clear terms that the average person can grasp. will that be enough? i do not know. it is certainly not enough to go back to your question about republican electeds who has decided to shrug and go on long to save is how we have to win, then that is how we win. when is everything and power is the only object. >> thanks to both of you. tom nichols, a staffer at the atlantic and the author of multiple books including our own worst enemy: the assault from within. lisa rubin is the msnbc correspondent a great friend of the show. still ahead, the leader of one of the largest labor union spoke alongside bernie sanders. sean fain will join me to discuss the american worker and the critical role that unions are playing in this

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president biden is sending 400 active-duty servicemembers to western north carolina to help with the eight and recover in the aftermath of hurricane helene. 223 people are dead and hundreds are unaccounted for across several states. more than a week after the storm made landfall 500,000 are still without power across the southeast mountainous regions have become more remote and isolated from sun damage. residents are just beginning to take stock of the destruction. antonia hylton is on the ground in nashville, north carolina. >> reporter: one of the major concerns for residents right now is water. they are getting a lot of water bottles delivered and support from local organizations and the federal government.

they are hearing that in many cases of water may not actually be turned back on for several more weeks because of all of the damage done to the treatment plants around asheville. i am in the arts district. you can see there behind me but is artist going into the damage warehouses and galleries and trying to recover and rescue their life work. it is really hard to do a cleanup job if you are a family or a business owner. if you do not have water and the ability to turn on equipment and supplies to do that work take a listen to a conversation we had with one of the artists here. what do you need from people right now ? >> we need a lot of long-term support to get back on our feet. people need to look up artist and tried to support them. everyone i know on social media has a gofundme because they are struggling. it is a tourism and gig economy here. people go week to week and month to month. it is hard. just keep remembering us.

check on us. we are going to need help for a long time. >> reporter: i think is important to mention that we are hearing there is a lot of misinformation spreading around north carolina right now. some on the right pushing conspiracy theories that fema has spent all of its money on immigration. on services for migrants. that they are blocking aid and seizing land for people here in north carolina. that is not true. we are seeing additional federal workers and officers from the u.s. military coming in to support. we got to ride with the national guard as they went to deliver aid and support people. fema has three different centers open just today to answer peoples questions and help them file their claims. already, millions of dollars have been approved in assistance for people here predict that is important to know as people understandably are dealing with so much and

have so many questions right now. >> thanks. it is wild how the anti- immigrant sentiment has made into this discussion. antonia hylton in asheville, north carolina. coming up, how it unchecked climate crisis is making way for disaster just like what we are seeing play out in the aftermath of hurricane helene. ur . olay visibly firms, lifts, and smooths wrinkles, by penetrating the skin, to boost regeneration at the surface cellular level. try olay. sleep more deeply and wake up rejuvenated. purple mattresses exclusive gel flex grid draws away heat, at the surface cellular level. relieves pressure, and instantly adapts. sleep better. live purple. right now buy more, save more. up to $600 off. visit purple.com or a store near you

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108 years ago in the year 1916, asheville, north carolina, saw a deadly flood two feet of rain fell in two days. funnel into valleys by the mountain terrain it flooded the town and destroyed homes and businesses and killed 80 people. with record rainfall, record death toll and record instruction it became known as the great flood. the flood by which all other floods are measured. last week hurricane helene

broke every record set more than a century ago in asheville. it has now been just over a week since the hurricane made landfall in florida and tore across the south east becoming the deadliest storm to hit the mainland united states since hurricane katrina in 2005 at least 223 people died across six states and many more remain unaccounted for. as waters receipt and power is restored to devastated areas and search and rescue crews finally get access to more remote areas, communities are still uncovering the extent of the devastation. what made the storms of destructive? hurricane helene form over the caribbean and the gulf of mexico. in the context of record- breaking ocean heat and humidity over the last two years, the atlantic ocean, in particular, has seen temperatures far above anything ever recorded. among the scientific community there was a sense of foreboding about the upcoming hurricane season. look at the article from the scientific american from may of this year. the record regime foreshadows a dangerous hurricane season.

the warm ocean water fuel hurricane helene's rapid intensification helping him develop from a tropical storm to a massive 400 mile across category 4 hurricane in just about 48 hours. oftentimes storms reach their peak intensity over the open ocean and they began to weaken as they make landfall. fueled by warm oceans and pulled north by other pressure systems lingering over appalachia, helene made landfall at full strength. the storm surge caused catastrophic flooding in the big bend region of florida, grinning record-breaking storm surge and leaving feet of sand and debris covering street. not only do warmer ocean temperatures encourage large storms to intensive in their speed and size but moisture from the ocean. these rapidly intensified storms get bigger and stronger faster than they drop more rain than they would without human caused climate

change. there is solid evidence that some major hurricanes that caused catastrophic flooding like hurricane harvey in 2017 and hurricane florence in 2018 did so because of the increased moisture absorption because of warmer ocean temperatures. this summer was also most humid on record, which also helped fuel the storm's destructive power and contributed to flood conditions. western north carolina, where asheville is, had already seen more rain than average toward the end of august and early september the watershed in the region was already we are at capacity. some areas have reported some mild mountain flooding in streams and rivers in the days before helene hit. the hot and humid conditions encourage the storm system to accumulate a lot of moisture. meaning when that the storm stalled over the mountains of north carolina and tennessee, it encountered the atmospheric pressure change from the mountain elevation, it down

poured some parts of western north carolina, like asheville, sought to and a half feet of rainfall in a period of about two days. 1916 was two feet in two days. entire neighborhoods had been wiped out but mountain towns, roads and bridges are just gone. the main road in chimney rock and biltmore and parts of asheville now look like jagged riverbeds. in a statement north carolina's governor roy cooper emphasize that into recovery and rebuilding effort, the state must prioritize rebuilding with resilience in mind and he said we need to take this time to make sure that when we rebuild western carolina -- and we will -- that it is done in a more resilient way. join me now is michael, the director of the penn center for science sustainability and the author of many portables including our fragile moment: how lessons from earth's pass

can help us survive the climate crisis. thanks for being here. >> always good to be with you i have covered hurricanes for a long time typically, we would not even think of the coverage of a hurricane that came into the big bend in a florida. we would not think about going to asheville, north carolina. we think about having an impact where it makes landfall and a little bit inward with somebody. this tells us about how complicated our climate has become in the fact that a place like asheville, which you would not have thought to be at risk is now severely damaged. >> absolutely. i have to throw in a little nugget of irony here. asheville, north carolina, is the location of noah's datacenter. as you may know, project 2025 which would be the trump administration agenda, were they to seize power again, project 2025 it seeks to eliminate noaa that it would seek to eliminate the data center in north carolina that records and analyzes and helps

improve our predictions of future climate events. there is some degree of irony there. when we get back to the physics of what is going on, you made it out very well with the setup. warmer oceans evaporate more moisture into the atmosphere. it is fundamental physics but you don't need a complicated climate model to tell you that. we can do the calculations. is about 7% more moisture for each degree fahrenheit of warming. that fuel stronger hurricanes. but with the stronger winds, they actually funnel more moisture into the storm. that warming -- right now it is about two degrees celsius, four degrees fahrenheit, warmer than preindustrial times in the gulf of mexico. that led probably to a 50% more intense storm than we would have seen. there has been some of what we call attribution

studies that have already been done. they run a climate model both with and without the impact of human caused warming, carbon pollution. they look at how often a particular event happened in the two different cases. what they could show is that the storm produced at least 50% more rainfall and the devastating flooding, the scenes we are seeing right now because of it because of human caused warming. 50% more flooding. >> we do have to continue our efforts to minimize climate change but how does that go hand-in-hand with what roy cooper said? resilience, building more resilient places i would think living in asheville is pretty safe from a hurricane perspective but that is clearly not true but we are seeing wildfires and flooding causing substantial more damage than wind in the last 15 or 20 years for most of these major storms. >> that is right. again, there is some irony here. asheville, north carolina, is a

popular retirement community. more and more people retiring in that area because it is getting so warm and so muggy and uncomfortable and so dangerous when we talk about these hurricanes in places like florida, arizona, the sun belt. it is literally getting too hot for many people. we are seeing retirees you might go to places like asheville, north carolina, in part to escape the aggravating impacts of human caused warming and the irony there is no escape the impacts are pervasive. there is no way you can get away from the more intense, you know, heat waves and wildfires and floods and super storms. and these very dangerous tropical systems, hurricanes. there is no safe haven for that is what we are seeing here. >> good to talk to as allies. michael mann is the cofounder of real climate. or the author of our new book our fragile moment: how lessons

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as israel continues the war in gaza and is can win against hezbollah in lebanon we can generate the bad response to israel's -- iran recent ballistic missile attack which was in response to israel's killing of hezbollah's leader in strikes near beirut. joining me now is news international correspondent matt bradley. you and i spoke about what the death of nostril that would mean for the region and iran has now retaliated israel's military has entered lebanon it is continuing strikes against

hezbollah officials and the world is wondering where israel will launch an attack on iran. tell me what you think is happening. >> reporter: i cannot believe how much is happened since the last time you and i hope. it has been so many political -- pivotal events and the whole region is waiting for the moment when the israelis decide how and when to retaliate against the iranian missiles. 180 or more that were fired at the israelis. we can still here, just behind me, it sounds like -- we do not know for sure airstrikes that have been pounding day in and day out for this neighborhood, which is muslim majority area with a small hole in exactly the location where hassan nasrallah was killed a little bit of a week ago. we heard from the iranians yesterday and we saw the rare moments when they went out and spoke at friday prayers. he defended iran's attacks against the israelis.

he said that iran and its allies. we all know this means the so- called axis of resistance groups like hezbollah, hamas, the houthis in yemen. they have spent decades pulling them together but they were all going to be ready to retaliate back against israel's retaliation. that is why we are so close to where we could see the entire region wrapped up into war. and it all depends on how and when the israelis are going to retaliate. we heard from the biden administration they are saying they think the israelis should retaliate not against oil installations. whether or not they decide to strike in some sort of symbolic move like vaped -- like they did back in april with this -for-tat shot at each other but did not hurt each other. that was a real face-saving for both the israelis and i run is pretty so the region did not

end up in a war that engulfed the whole middle east but it does not look like that is going to be the case this time because of the rate the iranians respond with a part of the israelis, it looks like we will see something a little more dangerous, a little more destructive when the israelis decide to retaliate. >> it is a matter of degree these days and one never knows were a little more danger becomes a lot more dangerous. matt, we will stay close. matt bradley for us in beirut. circle kamala harris and donald trump are fighting for support from major labor unions. i will speak with united auto workers leader shawn fain, fresh off his rally alongside senator bernie sanders and just a month after he labeled donald trump a scab. nald trump . ♪♪ citi's industry leading global payments solutions help their clients move money around the world seamlessly in over 180 countries... and help a partner like the world food programme

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the labor sectors playing a big role in this 2024 election kamala harris and donald trump are battling for the support of different unions. senator bernie sanders and the present of the united auto workers, shawn fain, hosted a rally in support of the harris campaign it was billed as a rally against corporate greed. shawn fain, the president of united auto workers, joined me now. good to see you. >> good to see you, thanks for having me. >> talk about your shirt, kill nafta. >> we have all lived this. we have seen it since the conception. 90,000 manufacturing plants leave the united states. that is what has hurt the working class for decades.

we have got to move forward and fight for the jobs. that is one thing i will say about kamala harris and the biden admitted dusted biden administration but they are the first administration that have employed manufacturing over 20 plants have been built right now. they are bringing jobs and keeping jobs in america and bringing more jobs to america. workers that donald trump left behind in ohio. when the gm plant that was close. kamala harris and joe biden with their batteries and it there. hundreds of those workers from the plant that were left behind our napper returning home because of the work kamala harris is done. >> let us talk about donald trump. talk about tariffs. obviously, for you and the uaw and autoworkers, you would like to protect and build more plants here. more manufacturing for cars but you like other countries to come and make their plans here. at the same time, you do not want to be in a trade war were people put the tariffs on u.s.

built cars. how do you think about tariffs and where we should be in terms of trade agreements and tariffs? >> it is pretty apparent that these trade deals, nafta has not worked for american workers in general . my opinion on "the katie phang show" is this with some of the trade deals. it is up for nestor to review again in 2026. in my opinion if things do not change we do not find where works for us and does not decimate our main base, we have to abandon them. you know, tariffs are nice. tariffs can work for the interim but it will start a trade war. we have seen that. at the end of the day, i make we have look at these trade agreements. if they do not work, we have to get out. as a result of nafta, it is 90,000 manufacturing plants

leave the country. the other part, i always hear -- people like say that clinton passed nafta. george bush actually started trying to make. clinton signed it. clinton should have vetoed it. i did not vote for clinton back in those days. democrats did not pass it. the only people talking against it at that time were democrats. we have got to put working- class people first. this whole fight is about corporate greed. no matter if there is trade laws, no matter if there is tariffs. the corporate world, the global corporate world will be chasing the cheapest dollar and try to exploit workers wherever they can but we have to bring living standards up not just to america but globally. so we don't have that type of threat and the corporations cannot abuse working-class people.

>> we've had a remarkable year as it relates to collective bargaining. we have the president show up on your picket lines at the uaw. we saw the teamsters strike averted but we saw the end of a long strike with the writers guild but with some real gains made by them but we saw the sack after a strike resolved. you have called donald trump a scab. the uaw called for a national labor relations board investigation to comment that elon musk made on social media. it was discussing firing striking workers, which would be illegal. what is the update on that? there is a deeper issue and it is the type of message that we are sending to american workers when donald trump says things like that. >> that is who he is. you know, as kamala harris put it when people tell you who they are, believe them. it is all on donald dumps -- donald trump's track record. he was president and did not do anything to bring jobs back factories closed and he did nothing.

it is the same thing. he talks about his stance with workers and our members he sits there with elon musk and called e long the greatest cutter and celebrates ham and laughing about the fact that he fired striking workers. i tell our members all the time. if donald trump was president there would have been no strike, they would have fired us all. that is who he is. he does not care about working- class people, never has and never will. he represents the corporate class. that is all he represents. we call him a scab because scabs are people that break strikes. donald trump has walked across picket lines before in his own building. in his own business. and he talks about firing striking workers. donald trump is a scab. exactly what he is. >> shawn, good to see you. shawn fain is the presence of united auto workers union. quick note for those in new york city, houston and toronto, i will be in those cities for events to talk about my book,

politics and the election about voting and civic engagement. due to come october 8th joined the canadian consulate general in new york for a conversation between my great friend and mentor canadian consul tom clark and me. registration is free but it is required but on wednesday october 9th dream in houston with the council and the harris county public library, the west university library. also in houston on thursday, october 10th, jenny at the sugarland center. tickets for both houston events are available on the counsel for the southwestern usa about right. i'll be back home in toronto on tuesday, october 15th, to be part of the ramsey talks. i will be joined by susan ormiston. tickets for that are available at the world conservatories website, rc music.com. i hope to see you any event. thanks for watching. the katie phang show begins right now. w.