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it. doubled trump's criminality is front of mind for voters, yet once again. this past week special counsel jack smith gave us the clearest appearance of the objective to sur vert the election. the picture showed the length he would go should he get back in power. especially now that he's got the supreme court immunity ruling on his side. in the final stretch of this election, the harris campaign is making clear exactly what's at stake. >> it's really rich for democratic leaders to say that donald trump is unique threat to democracy when he peacefully gave over power. >> you say he didn't lose the election. did he lose the 2020 election? >> tim, i am focused on the future. >> that's a damming nonanswer. america he think you got a

really clear choice of who's going to honor the democracy and who will honor donald trump. >> it's always the damming nonanswers as our next guests can tell you. bring in ms nbc analyst and cohost of prosecutor donald trump podcast andrew weissman general council and former senior member of the mueller probe. mary mccord former deputy aattorney general for the national security division. welcome to you both. >> that's a title. that means they have done a lot of work is what we are trying to say. >> that paper i got. >> yes, heavy titles. this, think that ad is very effective, i wonder what you thought because the silence is like, and in a democracy, okay, democratic republic, we should be able to agree who won and who lost but the problem in this environment right now is that the top of one of the

tickets republican ticket donald trump he does not subscribe to that belief. >> so you know, a friend of mine put it so well on friday. show said we have one candidate who is fighting to win the election running to win the election, and one candidate who is running against the election. and that's what we are seeing. i feel like we have seen this movie before. i mean, in 2020, starting as early as april, we had the, you know candidate and current president at the time donald trump, starting to, you know, seed doubt in the results of the election. and he continued to double down and then triple down after the election itself. and we are seeing this all again. and you know, calling jack smith's filing election interference when it is something that the supreme court directed in its immunity ruling the judge chutkan do a careful analysis at the threshold of the case to determine what kinds of conduct were the president would be immuned from and what conduct he could be prosecuted for. that's what jack smith has done

and that among so many other things are called election interference. >> because we talked about what has happened. we are also talking about what could be the two details i want to pull out from the filing. one is, smith laying out trump's plans to declare victory if early votes counts were misleading in his favor and privately the defendant said he would declare victory before all the ballots were counted and any winner was projected. publicly, the defendant began to plant the seeds for that false declaration. should what extent should we read past the prolong. >> absolutely. to paraphrase nicole she said nothing is new in trump world. it's the same playbook and what also the same playbook is donald trump saying as you pointed out, election interference. that's a label. and that's not dealing with the facts in the brief. if donald trump wanted to, if he thought this was so wrong,

he could file a counter brief before the election and he elected not to. he said he needs more time. but he could address the facts and instead, he just puts a label on it which is mary noted is it's not election interference it's carrying out the supreme court demanded the district court to do. if it was up to donald trump he would have killed the case and have the supreme court kill the case a long time ago. they idea they say it's election interference when you could view the supreme court delaying it for over eight months to be the election interference, i mean, really, it's beyond the pale. >> you've got jim vance. jd vance, donald trump, and cory lowan douse can i laying the seeds in an interesting way first by saying well, 20 -- who is talking about 2020. why are we going back 2020 it

was so long ago. right. but, the other part of this which is important to note is what cbs news is reporting about domestic extremists with election related grievances could turn this to violence. noting domestic extremist could seek to use a range of violent or disruptive tactics against the targets including but not limited to physical attacks, threats of violence, swatting and docking and mailing or otherwise delivering sus specious items arson and other means of property destruction according to the bulletin. it was a joint bulletin from dhs and fbi. our institutions of law enforcement and national security, they are coordinating and trying to get their hand wrapped around about the potential. some of us have been looking at this and saying that a lot was learned from 2020 by the insurrectionists' mind. they are not going to play the

game to go to the building. they are not coming here. this is something that we can anticipate being much more widespread and much more dangerous. >> i think that's right. the bulletin is not what they anticipate but things happened election officials swatted and physical attacks that have happened. having said all that, i don't want to scare voters off from voting, right. i don't want to square people from participating in democratic processes and think the learning is important, and at every level, local, state federal, you know, i think people are more prepared this time for what is to come. but -- and, you know, seeking to ensure and ensure the public that public safety is, you know, their safety is taken seriously. they are doing everything in their power to make sure people feel comfortable. participating in democratic processes without the threats. but the things will happen. you are right. i don't foresee another attack on the capitol the way we saw

in january 6th. the capitol hardened itself and taking intelligence collection and intelligence sharing you know, treating it much differently, and we will have those backups from the national guard, and think frankly, a lot of people do not want to get prosecute for donald trump and we are not going to see a repeat but we are worried about decentralized localized threat at hyperlocal level. >> if you think about ate, the precursor to january 6th we saw at capitol was michigan state capitol. >> right exactly. >> there were extremists who literally took up arms against their state government, and occupied the michigan state capitol. >> and went to assassinate the governor. >> they were look for her. governor whit mer. and so i do think that threat is -- i guess it's more concerning because the state capitols across the country have not fortified their buildings and their -- they don't have resources of the

federal government. and i just, maybe you tell me, andrew, the f b, is this something that the fbi would be meeting with folks in anticipation of things like this happening? because, that part of the filing that what she read i remember standing in our boiler room the night of election night, watching donald trump go to that podium in the white house, and declare victory when he knew he had not won. and we knew he was going to do it, but, just to see it happen, and then the tripling down and how the rest of the ecosystem media apparatus seems like state governments were not prepared for what was happening, what he was doing. it concerns mow this could be where we are again except he will do it from mar-a-lago. >> there's certainly going to be federal, state coordination on this. and assistance and they are as mary said, very, very focused because they have a blueprint to follow in terms of what has

happened to anticipate what could happen. i think it's really important, though, for voters to go out and vote and not worry about this. people have to do their duty, one of the things that causes this to be a win already for people who are -- have engaged in this sort of behavior is this sort of deterrent effect in people thinking oh, you know i don't want to go to the polls at all. because, i don't want to sort of base kind of onslaught and it's important for people to know there are many, many different ways to vote and you can do so safely. and, you can be sure state and local and federal level, they are going to be a lot of people watching out as well as private groups to make sure that nothing goes wrong. >> there's so many people that i heard wonder if their vote matters. and it would not scare you from the polls if it department.

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tomorrow morning the supreme court is back from the summer recess and while the country is coming to grips with the fallout from the conservative majority's last term, this one could prove to be just as contentious. with major cases on guns, transgender rights set to be decided. but potentially more concerning, nbc news reporting that if trump wins they have eyes set on confirming more young hard right justices to the court. andrew and mary are back with us. >> andrew, that's where i want to go. i want to start right there,

because it is still stunning to me for 20 years no one paid attention to what the game plan was -- has always been for the gop and it was the courts. always the courts. you got reporting out says you know, nbc news republicans expect that to confirm more. i think you will see on conservative side at least one retirement i am speculating, but i am fairly confident of that senator josh holly of missouri said, adding that republicans would probably look for more potential justices in the mold of thomas and alito i don't know if it includes oath, violations along the way particularly if we replace one of those individuals. it's a fact that if donald trump wins the two gentlemen will retire and if he loses, they are going to try to hold on. but that's the play. it's not what the supreme court terms up you know in terms of the cases for me. i am looking going into this

election of what the balance of this court is going to look like after the election. how to you see the political strategy involving the court? >> well, i wanted to take it into one illustration. many people may be thinking how much worse can it get? they overturned roe versus wade and that's done and now it's at the states. and donald trump saying don't worry i am letting the states do whatever they want. so, that is really wrong. in terms of what to expectdown road on the mifepristone case saying there was no standing but it's coming back to the court. and so, you know, dobbs is not the end. the mifepristone case is going to be back before the supreme court deciding whether it's legal and disseminateed to

every state in the union. second, all you have to do is read black and white what is in project 2025 about what is on the agenda for women's rights to control their own bodies. where the agenda is not to leave it to the states. it is to have a national ban. it's to have a national registry. it is to have enforcement of the criminal laws so if you are traveling interstate in anyway to aide someone getting an abortion, you can be criminally prosecuted. all of that is set out in black and white in project 2025. this is not fanciful and it's not made up. this is something that is in the project 2025 agenda. so for people thinking the court doesn't matter and dobbs is over, that's just simply not the case. >> mary, i don't know if it's because the air is on in here, or what, but i just got chills. the supreme court docket has like really will affect us. and can you talk about the what

we actually see, but the shadow docket business, that also where the supreme court is deciding on, again consequential things but there are no opinions that are signed. ism e, we don't know where different justices come down when it comes to the shadow docket. and just what are you looking for as a supreme court term is started next -- tomorrow. >> sure, well, i am really, you know, anxious to hear argument in the first case. argument on tuesday, about ghosts guns and whether those can be regulated the way we regulate federal firearms licenseees around the country. that means background checks and serial numbers. ghost guns are responsible for a huge number of crimes of violence in this country. and also by drug cartels and terrorists, and these are guns that you can put together from weapons kits and so far, they are not subject to some of the same regulations. so we have got more gun case, right. we have got cases about

providing transgender care to minors. not cases, a case that the court has accepted. and we have, you know, a case about the death penalty. we have so many things that already the court has taken. but to your point on the shadow docket, that continues to happen more and more and more. and, it is not always, and i hate to try to take cast blame, certainly, i think americans have lost some faith in the supreme court in part because of decisions that are so monumental part of the shadow docket that have no actual written opinions so there's no transparency about how the justices voted, which justices supported it and which justices didn't except for occasionally there's a written descent. but this is because of the parties. because it's the parties in cases oftentimes states, who are bringing the cases to the court at the early stages like a motion to stay a preliminary junction or emergency motions. so those court that has to rule

on these emergency motions and that's oftentimes where you get the shadow docket. and so, i think it's both the behavior of the court, but they are responding to the behavior of the litigants who are really taking advantage of this type of procedure in ways we didn't see in the past. >> before we go, i with a. to play this sound from vice president harris in flint, michigan talking about restoring rights and freedoms. >> when congress passes a bill to restore reproductive freedom, as president of the united states, i will proudly sign it into law. and that's not our only battle. across our nation, we are witnessing a full on assault on other hard fought hard won freedoms and rights. like the freedom to vote. the freedom to be safe from gun violence. the freedom to join a union.

the freedom to love who you love openly and with pride. >> appreciate she doesn't feel the need to be -- she is talking about legislation and about the courts without naming the courts specifically. >> absolutely. and it's so important for people to look at what the court has done and to think about their own values. the separation between where the public is and where the court is has never been greater and it's so if that is something that you care about, that's not going to shrink in a trump 2.0. it's going to grow. you are going to have more conservative justices so if that's something you care about, the supreme court is so on the ballot this year that you really have to be thinking about what it means when you cast your vote. >> andrew, weissman mary mccord thank you both for being with

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to the company, and dan stood up. saved my job, saved our jobs. he took on the big corporations for people like us. he is a heck of a mechanic. but even better guy. >> i am dan osborn and approved this message because if you want to face washington, send in a mechanic. >> nebraska under spent senate candidate joins i now. >> good to see you, look, he love the public oohed and i did a race from the race in 20 a 06 i love it. good to see you. my wife is out of town and he needs a lap to sit in so here we are. >> you got puppy duty. >> look, you are causing a little bit of a stir out your way. and i am loving it for where i am sitting if i am a candidate or charm looking a the a race like yours. what are the dynamics for you right now in this race?

30 days out, how are you assessing your chances is very, very close. in fact, slate is reporting that you know, nebraska could cost republicans a senate. and if osborn wins or puts a credible scare into fisher the campaign could serve as templet for how to dislodge republicans from statewide monopolies in places where democrats have long struggled to compete. you came at this campaign from a very independent state of mind. and you -- that seems to have resonateed with a lot of voters across the state. >> yeah, i mean, you know, certainly we are definitely competing. i am not a political analyst. i am a mechanic. i am doing this because corporate greed came knock on my door in the form of some of the commercial kellogg's making record profits and what they tried to take from us. it opened my eyes to the fact

if we band together around issues and causes, we can make a difference in people's lives. a positive difference. so, that's what we are doing. you know, we are polling ahead but ultimately, it's all about the people of nebraska. that's, you know i don't take corporate money. our average donation is $35. we raised over $4 million so it's really about the way the framers of the constitution set this whole thing out. government for and by the people. >> dan, if you were to be elected to the u.s. senate, would you vote to codify roe versus wade? >> the answer to that is yes. and here's why. you know, in my own personal life, i am pro life. i would never advocate for one of my daughters to have on abortion. i would fight certainly for that not to happen. but the flip side of that coin is since roe v. wade has been overturn women are dying.

i talked to many medical professionals that talk about women coming into their offices every day with pelvic sepsis, and they have to leave their state to go get -- they have to go get a surgery or not a surgery but you know, medical procedure done, and some women are dying because they are not able to get to the doctor. so, absolutely, i would. >> dan, the republicans in the state have attempted to paint you like an independent and democrat's clothing for lack of a better term. but the washington post wrote this about you. on friday, they noted that if elected he said he woo create an independent caucus rather than caucus with democrats and republicans. four independent sanders, plus angus king joe manchin and cinema caucus with democrats.

and i say this as a native in brass can from north omaha, why is it important to you to continue if in fact you are elected because the race is competitive, and you very well could end up being the next united states senator from nebraska to not caucus with democrats but to keep the independent streak and what is the biggest differengoing to ca with them, but, you know, are there things the republican party has put forward that you can see yourself voting with republicans on? >> first of all, i mention omaha star. >> she told me about you she said i interviewed him i said yes, yes. >> yeah she is doing great, thanks for sure. but ultimately, you know, i want to challenge the system. deb fisher called us a political science experiment throwing a jab my way and we turned in 12,000 signatures from all 93 counties. and then we started polling

ahead, but i own that. because you know what else is political science experiment, the declaration of independence right? the cops use of the united states. the whole thing is a political science experiment and it's time to take it a step further and challenge the system. so no i don't caucus with either party. george norris was the last nd pent senator from nebraska. he helped create the nonpartisan unicamera we enjoy that d.c. can take a few notes from. but he didn't caucus with anyone the last term. so there's some precedence set this. but ultimately, again, i just want to did what's best for the people of nebraska, and like for mow and my family and friends i talk to on a daily basis, i am a steam fitter by trade and certainly not a wealthy person, but this two- party system is not working for us. george washington and james madison in federalist paper number 10 warned us of the two factions and where it could lead our country. and i think we are finding

ourselves there today. >> speaking to that point, dan, and i think an important one, it is a thread that is seemingly running throughout a number of down ballot campaign u.s. senate, governor's races and certainly state legislative races where candidates while they may be aligned with a particular party and i am thinking right now of larry hogan in my state of maryland, do have a very strong independent voice. and so to your point about the precedent it's not being independent per se but the idea of leveling up exactly the things you talking about. that are anchored in the way we govern ourselves. how is -- how are people responding to that on the ground across your state?

because you know, nebraska is very red, and then there's a blue dot, right. and so, across the state, in more traditional republican areas where you have to have to be very competitive, how is your messaging resonating with republicans? >> yeah, so i have done 140 publicly advertised events town halls, and mock debate where deb fisher doesn't show us because she refuses to debate. 120 of those have been outside of omaha in lincoln. so i traveled the state extensively. and what i hear from people all across nebraska is they are fed up. polling data shows us ahead. i was in the surprised because most people are frustrated with the status quo. they are frustrated and they see how much corporations affect and influence our elections. and they are fed up with it. they are fed up with the price

at gas pump and fed up with not being able to fill the grocery cart up with the same price they were able to you know three five years ago. and they are feeling it. when people are hurting they take notice. i am one of them. i haven't made lot of money the last 12 months of my life and so when i go to the grocery store if i have to change a tire on my son's car, i certainly have to decide whether i am getting chicken or steak for my grocery list that woke. that's the things that regular people deal with every day in their lives. and they see the millionaire and billionaire class as the ruling class, and making decisions that certainly don't affect themselves. but it affects us in a daley life. and, so, i would say, going out and talking to the folks every day, they are -- they understand. >> dan osborn running for the u.s. senate out of nebraska as

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vice president harris made history many times over in her political career. but in just 30 days, she could do it again by being the first woman elected to lead the united states. think about it. the hope for that history is palpable on broadway. the tony award winning musical suffs exposes what women went through during suffrage movement to gain the hard earned right to vote. a right more than 68 million women exercised in the last presidential election. joining us now, two stars of

suffs. award winning tony winner, nick ym jams and anastasia mcclose beingy who plays mary church terrell. welcome to you both. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you for being here. i got got see su if. fs two weeks ago and you are magnet he can. i can't take my eyes off you your talented and hard to describe. one of the producers had seen the show before kamala harris rose to the top of the ticket and said for her it was retrospective and felt like it was talking hillary clinton nearly captured nomination and hadn't. i see it with kamala harris at the top of the ticket felt it was so relevant. and so perspective and i wonder both on stage as actors and having the incredible characters, but for the audience, if there has been a shift given what you are seeing outside of the show? >> yes. >> yeah. >> the answer to that is yes.

the story i say i tell is it was july 21st when president biden said he was no longer going to be running and later, you know half an hour later he endorsed kamala. and we had a 3:00 p.m. matinee and as the curtain rose, on our dear friend and costar jen, audience respond tanously burst into chants of kamala, kamala. it was the first time we heard it, you know, and it was you can feel the energy shift. it went from message of you know our show about the right to vote and about the power of democracy, and then it feeling like really present. it has been electric. >> yeah. yeah electrifying i was going to say the same thing. it was exciting moment that day, and that day one of our swings was on dk for phyllis who plays who is the daughter and the three of us hugged back stage. >> that's right. >> and it was an emotional

moment as well. because the idea that a woman will be president but also a black and indian woman will be president is very exciting. >> the vice president doesn't talk a lot about herself about the history that we are all witnessing. we have witnessed being made to be clear it's historic that a black woman a woman of color a black woman is the major party is a nominee for a major political party. win or lose she made history already. but the history and what we might see come january 20th if vice president harris is successful in the bid is nothing -- is remarkable. and she stands on the shoulders of folks like mary churchtureel and people like ida b wells and those people can you talk about these historical figures because i think people suffrage movement and they think oh white women. and it's like i am saying

that's what people think. >> that's what they think. >> yes. >> tell the people, ladies. >> well, you know, mary was someone not talked about enough. there's not lot of information on the internet about her. and for me, doing character research i found this amazing book called unceasing militant by allison parker and i learned a lot about mary how show was fearless and tyrant and elegant but also she didn't stand for no. she fought tirelessly for a civil rights and for voting rights for women. and for antilynching laws. close with ida b wells. and she was very smart. and strategic in how she moved. she played the game how i would say but show played the game to benefit black people and women and all of humanity in my

opinion. and she is definitely become a huge hero of mine. >> yeah, and our show does not shy away from the fact that many women in this suffrage movement were dopely racist, and our show handles that the new ands of that conversation but also engages in between the mary church terrell and ida b wells have different method moving through space and political climate. i will just say last night we were on stage about to enter for a scene and stacy turned to me and said the powerful women live inside us. and we get to share that with our audiences. and i know that all the other actors and performers feel the same. it feels very important to be telling the story about democracy and about how one person can change the -- yo know one person's efforts can really change the face of history and that's what kamala is doing. and it's what so many of the

women who come before us are doing, and we are so deeply proud. >> yeah. >> many of the suffrages suffrages in the show as well as in history, you know, talk about and leveled up proximity to men as their reason to be allowed to vote. which i found to be very interesting. you know, their connection as mothers and sisters and daughters and all that. do you see echoes of that in this current political environment where those lines are being drawn again particularly given kamala harris' elevation in the race for the presidency? >> [laughter] >> okay. >> you didn't know. >> i think what happens is a lot of times what someone is saying and doing publicly is alining with what they are doing privately. and a lot of times you are trying to build a leaguence and

coalitions and trying to include as many people as possible to get your message as far as possible. and there are a lot of people making compromises and that maybe you wouldn't agree with or you disagree with but there is-- you know there's a narrative, our show is a narrative and political people's political opinions are narratives, too. >> i agree exactly what she said. yeah. >> what she said. >> i think. [laughter] >> i am glad -- i am glad when you teased out the fact she has the two incredible black protagonists on stage and the other piece well put out how an age and generation comes into your perspective. what it means to be radical. that what is radical in one moment is mainstream in the next is radical in the next and that also, to me, speaks to the moment that we find ourselves

in. >> of course. each new generation that comes in thinks they are the first people to feel the things they are feeling. and i was guilty of that in my early 20s and now we are working with lot of performers that are just starting their careers just starting their lives, and i look back and i think oh, yeah, i had that fire too. and there's a way in which there's tension between the generations in our show and by the end of the show, they start to really -- it dawns on each of the generations that these young radicals, young upstarts are actual mirror reflects of themselves in the past. and we need both sides pulling. you need a person with experience saying calm down, a little bit. and you need a young person pushing hard for change. and lifting each other up. >> and i also say not just in story telling, but in activism work it's spiritual work and so the blueprint is there even if you don't know what the blueprint is, it is threaded through us via humanity. and i believe that firmly. so it's within you. regardless. >> i want to say i sat in the

theater very misty eyed but also i laughed so much. >> yeah. >> it's funny. >> it's very funny. democracy messy also. sometimes kind of funny. thank you both so much for being with us. get tickets to sea suffs on badway at suffsmusical.com. we have much more on weekend and we are back after this. . .

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asked one simple question, and senator vance would not acknowledge donald trump lost 2020 election. think there are probably far more concerned than my wife and i used iui to have our child and donald trump would restrict that. so i think folks know who i am my constituents in minnesota elect me eight times and know where i am, and i am proud to be on the ticket and will deliver like in minnesota. >> all right. >> okay. governor walz going on fox news sunday. that was i mean, he did a wide ranging interview i would argue. and this is what they should be doing. governor walz people are like he should sit down with joe rogan probably not he is problem matic this is good and reaching people who otherwise are not going to be reached by going on maybe you know, coming -- we have got some overlap with fox viewers but i would argue, not much. therefore, going over there talk together folks so they can

see governor walz in his own words and hearing it from his mouth makes a difference. >> i think that's fine. >> oh, lord. i am going to sit back. >> that's fine. >> what are you going to say michael steele. >> i am all for it. do it, do it. but i don't see -- i just don't see the same level of passionate urgency for donald trump and jd vance. and so, look, i will tell you i am extending. >> okay. >> i am extending invitation for the vice presidential nominee for the republican party jd vance to join us at table. we would love to have a sit- down conversation with you. you know, no crazy stuff no got you straight up. talk about policy, talk about withior want to go. >> hes the only one that does gotch you but i would love to ask about it. >> i am saying i wish there was more equality in this equation

everyone flipping out and making a big deal about if and when someone on the harris-walz team meaning harris and walz shows up and sit down for a tough interview. you know. >> i think there are two sides of that coin. there's the side you are talking about which is the critique media chatter but there's the strategy piece which is if the more people are exposed to them and more people learn about them, the more that they like them, and i think there's just a tactical question of how much you put them out there and where you put them so you have audiences that maybe didn't watch the debate or haven't been able to see them on the stomp getting exposure to the core message. the one we thought was walz defending himself and talk about the economy did we have time to play that. >> the fund menial difference is donald trump many cut

promise he cut tax for wealthiest and she is talking about making sure we are able to buy a things a crib or baby formula get start and she simply asking we can pay for it by asking those at the top to pay their fair share. >> i just think there's an audience that perhaps has not heard that message and has not heard the framing around donald trump cutting tacks for the taxes for the wealthiest. >> they will say you are being critical because they are sensitive the people on the internet. >> so sensitive and don't be sensitive. i am not trying to be critical. i am trying to find balance in all this, and here's the other fundamental aspect of all this to understand, in the 30-day calendar left for the campaign, to you know what time means to them? >> yeah. >> do you know what time it takes to put together a sit- down interview. it's a balancing act and complicated. i just think we just need to

understand that the walz-harris -- harris-walz campaign has been out across the country, has gone and made its message and making its message clear to people. and i just think the press needs to put that in context sometimes. but, you know, they ain't talking to you they are talking directly to people. >> michael steele ladies and gentlemen, michael steele. we love it. more ahead on the weekend right. >> there is. coming up, on velshi congressman jamie razz beingin will talk about the new following at 10:00 a.m. eastern on msn nbc. i am going to have something else to drink. have something else to drink. ♪♪ citi's industry leading global payments solutions help their clients move money around the world seamlessly in over 180 countries... and help a partner like the world food programme as they provide more than food to people in need.

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