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>> if trump gets georgia where he leads by an average of a point and a half, begets north carolina where it is literally tied in the polls right now, and where trump won in 2020, the only one of the battleground states jump carried four years ago, then all trump would need on top of georgia and north carolina would be pennsylvania, where harris does have a small lead and trump getting those three, what get to 270. >> vice president harris sinking these up on the media blitz this week, appearing on popular podcasts and doing sit down interviews with names like howard stern, stephen colbert and the women of the view. here's a preview of the 60 minutes interview that will air tomorrow. >> it seems that prime minister netanyahu is not listening. >> we will build, the work we has done has resulted in a number of movements in that region by israel, that were very much prompted by or a

result of many things, including our advocacy for what needs to happen in the region. >> cbs has trump changed his mind about doing a 60 minutes interview. you will make his case to voters a short time from now in battleground wisconsin. is a look at the scene there and here is rnc cochair lara trump on the mood of supporters. >> that shows you that there is continued enthusiasm and growing enthusiasm for donald trump and i think as every day goes by, we are 30 days away from the selection, people are really considering what kind of america they want to live in. you want to get back to a time where you have great economic policy, more money in your pocket and a secure southern boarder and peace agreements and set of wars breaking out around the world. >> vice president surrogates also outcome optimistic about her chances in november. >> in people who are disengaged are now engaged, interested, volunteering.

so we are well poised to win this thing. but it is still scary close and i can remember a time in history that we had such a clear, dramatic choice about the direction of the country would take, whether we would move forward to an economy that works for everyone, with democracy that is healthy and intact or whether we move back to this terrible trump american carnage. >> governor tim walz is attending campaign receptions in california today. is wiki also includes a debut on the sunday talk shows as vice presidential candidate. we have reporters and analysts covering the developments. we will begin with ali raffa at the white house, following the harris campaign. what are we hearing from the vice president just one day before the anniversary of that deadly october 7th attack. >> as we approach the somber anniversary, there are growing questions about the relationship between president

biden and prime minister netanyahu as we continue to wait and see how israel will retaliate against iran for its ballistic missile assault against israel just days ago. and in a clip released by cbs news of vice president harris' "60 minutes" interview airing tomorrow, part of their push by the campaign to get across the airwaves, she asked whether the u.s. lacks influence over netanyahu. in here. >> now the work that we do diplomatically, with the leadership of israel is an ongoing pursuit around making clear our principles, which include the need for humanitarian aid, the need for this war to end, the need for a deal to be done -- which would release the hostages and create a cease-fire. i think with all due respect, the better question is, do we have an important alliance between the american people and the israeli people. and the answer to that question is yes. >> president biden on friday saying israel had not yet

decided how it is going to respond to iran, adding he assumes he will speak with netanyahu when a decision is made. the president yesterday, when leaving the white house said that cole had still not happened. and worth noting, the last time the two of them spoke was back in mid-august. as far as i mentioned about the vice president and the media blitz this week, a senior campaign official says she will be sitting down for interviews with howard stern, stephen colbert, the host of the view and popular call her daddy podcasts, reaching a much bigger audience than past interviews has. harris and her running mate tim walz will wrap this week -- with 30 days until the election. >> allie raffa, thank you. we go to nbc's 2024 campaign embed julian frankel. donald trump just took the stage behind you, so what are you hearing from his supporters

in the final month of the campaign and we will understand if it gets really loud. >> that's right, alex. trump has begun remarks here in wisconsin, as you can see behind me, fresh off that rally in butler, pennsylvania yesterday. but his remarks today are set to focus more on the economy and how costs are impacting, agricultural workers statewide. these are some of trump office most ardent supporters. they aren't going anywhere. they said there's nothing he could do at this point that would change their vote. one but i spoke with earlier said he hopes trump will focus more on policy, to win over some of those voters who are still making their decision heading into november. i want you to hear from him. take a listen. >> i have always kind of been a firm believer that the president of the united states is running a big business and what better guy could you have. i like it when he's on policy and going forward. sometimes he does let the ego

get off task a little bit, and that could affect him with some people that might be on the border or on the line of endorsing him. >> as for his week ahead, he said it to florida on monday and tuesday before he goes to battleground states like pennsylvania and michigan later this week, as he and harris compete for purple state voters, as we get closer and closer to election day. >> nice job keeping your focus, my friend. we will let you turn around and keep an eye on what donald trump is saying and report back later. wall street journal senior political correspondent volleyball, welcome to you. the vice president has been doing a campaign blitz in coming days including appearing on the view, the howard stern show, the popular call her daddy podcasts. what you make of the strategies. >> a lot of the democrats i speak to are concerned the vice president harris still seems

unknown to so many voters, particularly undecided voters are still trying to get to know her. additionally we are in the home stretch of the campaign where it is all about turnout, all about motivating your voters, making sure they get to the polls. i think the feeling is, the more she's in front of people, the more she can just be present to convince voters of who she is and to try to close the sale and push people out to the polls. so many states are already boating. it is time to get those votes banked and guaranteed and get the supporters motivated. so i think you're going to see campaigns really trying to seize people's attention and be in the center of sort of the media narrative as much as i possibly can. >> i'm curious, what about tim walz. he appeared on fox news sunday this morning and appeared frequently on cable news prior to becoming the democratic vice presidential nominee but hasn't returned until today. should we accept -- expect more

of him in the coming weeks? >> i think they will probably rule him out more as well. i have been apprised at how much he has been kept under wraps since being put on the ticket, since as you say he's someone who is quite comfortable in that sort of cable circuit role, despite i think a poor debate performance that disappointed a lot of democrats. he is someone who they view as a compelling speaker, someone who's good at making the argument for himself and vice president harris. the democrats would like to see him more as well, particularly potentially tough or hostile venues like fox news interview. at this stage of the campaign it is about getting in front of as many voters as you possibly can and trying to get people motivated. i expect to see all the candidates trying to really be in as much media as they possibly can. >> there's this because donald trump backed out of the 60 minutes election special airing tomorrow night, given the vice

president will be appearing across media this week. you think trump and his campaign are going to regret that decision quite >> it is possible. we haven't seen trump the willing to be in a lot of difficult or tough settings, for all that they have been criticizing kamala harris for in their view, refusing to do tough interviews or press conferences, that kind of thing. trump has not been a lot of those settings either and there are a lot of questions that he should ask, if he wants to say that candidates should be setting out specific views on policy, saying at some level of detail exactly how they would govern and what they would do, there are a lot of questions about his platform that i think he should be answering as well. but we definitely have seen he's much more likely to go into those friendlier settings and i would be surprised frankly has campaign did not choose to take up the 60 minutes interview. >> molly, do you think the "new york times", i will answer with

the gel -- with the wall street journal, but the "new york times", trump office speeches angry and rambling, reigniting the question of age and diminished acuity. that is something we talked about joe biden earlier, but you think the campaign sees that and feels they need to keep them from these kinds of interviews that we are referencing. >> i think it is a version of that. i think it is less, the unpredictability due to his sort of age and unsteadiness that we saw with biden. when you look at polls or talk to rank and file undecided voters, their concern with trump tends not to be so much that he's not with it as he sort of erratic. it is more a concern about his temperament. whether it is something that has been intensified by advancing age, as the times analyzes and what is an interesting article, or whether it is something that has always concerned people about trump

for as long as he's been on the public stage, there certainly, you certainly see his campaign would like him to be more on skirt. how many times have we had republican operatives and experts on that side of the aisle saying if only he would stick to policy, if only he would lay off personal attack. i think they do want him to be in the kinds of settings where he can be relatively on message, but as we know, that is some thing that has always been a challenge to put it lightly, for trump, who tends to talk about whatever he feels like talking. >> it may not be either or, it might be both scenarios as you have potentially suggested here. we have president barack obama is going to join kamala harris this week. what sort of energy can we expect from him on the campaign trail? >> we saw him a couple of months ago at the convention, very lively. it is kind of amazing to think that he still only in his early 60s, when you look, he's not much older than kamala harris when you think about the age of

trump and biden and many other people on the political scene. but i remember seeing him campaigning in the midterms, two years ago, and drawing big crowds, still very popular figure with the democratic base. with segments of the democratic base, that i think kamala harris is still struggling to consolidate, particularly men without college degrees and voters of color. even young voters, i think have curiosity about barack obama. even if they were too young to have been around when he was president. so i think he's still a major asset on the democratic side, smart to deploy him and he is certainly showing willingness to get out and be as helpful as he can. >> molly, you mentioned the polls a moment ago. from a polling perspective, do you get a sense from each campaign, which side might be more competent at this point? >> i see both campaigns act thing like they are in a tough race and a tied race, and that

is the reality. now i don't know about what is in donald trump's mind, he likes to, he tends to have somewhat a skewed view of things and to always think he's waiting. that the campaigns are very realistic and both of the campaigns realized that this is perhaps the closest residential race in any of our lifetimes. it is going to come down to the wire. it is close in the national polling, it is razor thin and all of the seven swing states. so i think you're going to see both of these campaigns racing to the finish and doing absolutely everything in their power to get each and every one of their voters off the sidelines because they realize this is a really tight race and it is a race that i think either candidate realistically could win if the election were held today or tomorrow. >> i think you are right and we will be having your back -- you back again. what we know about the new trouble heading to part of the

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today, governor desantis increasing the state of emergency to nifty one counties. here's what fema administrator told me an hour go about federal prepping for milton. >> we have begun moving additional resources into the area and that is on top of all the personnel and resources we have from hurricane helene. ahead of opportunity, to talk to governor desantis this morning and i expect he's going to be coming in for emergency declaration request that enables us to make sure we can do everything we need to support the people that might be in harms way as a result of hurricane milton. >> let's go to marissa parra joining us from st. petersburg, florida. we saw how hard the gulf coast was hit and now another storm. how are people doing and how are they preparing? >> reporter: it almost feels like deja vu because here we are again, looking at the storm ahead of what is now another hurricane. so we have emergency response working on getting sandbags

filled. they are doing an excellent job, working all day and will continue to work throughout the day until sunlight is gone, for what is a massive line of cars. between one mile and two miles of cars lined up and that is st. petersburg, alone. and i will tell you on the ground here, i am noticing a different response from people that i'm talking to and we've only been here for a little bit, alex. so remember that the big headline is that it's been one week since the lien, one week ago i was here in this area, the st. petersburg area talking about the destruction from helene. that was record levels of storm surge from the hurricane that didn't even have a direct hit for this area. 100 miles off shore. so now when you look at the potential impact, of hurricane milken, we are expecting higher levels of storm surge, worse than helene. and the hardest parts that people are having is that all

the debris piles, the danger that poses because you see now, hurricane level wind being cast around, that could be very dangerous, those could be projectiles. they are projectiles waiting to happen. so in terms of response, state response, the debris piles are the priority. and i want to take you to what we are hearing from governor desantis not long ago. >> make sure your gas tanks are filled. make sure you have enough water and did not perishable food to last you as long as the power maybe out. you are potentially looking at storm surge that is more significant than what we saw in hurricane helene. >> reporter: we have previously talked about the floridian attitude toward hurricanes. i will say, if there were nonbelievers before helene, there are less of them now. i am noticing people are taking it a lot more seriously. people who didn't have hurricane anxiety are taking it serious right now.

just a few moments ago before i went live, talk to people saying they are sandbagging for the first time in their life. they are further inland, they normally didn't worry but they are taking it seriously in a way that they haven't before. to echo what we heard from the governor, keep in mind that it is very important, if you are evacuating your home, make sure you take your electric vehicle to higher ground, that can pose a massive hazard. we also want to make sure you turn off electric lines and gas lines, that can also be a massive tire hazard. in addition to the flooding, storm surge that we saw, wealso did see rescue crews responding to burned down homes because of the failure or inability to do that. a lot of preparation happening as we speak for hurricane milton . before it makes landfall somewhere in this area. >> all good points, thank you for that. you knew it was coming, the republican rebuttal to the release of jack smith filing about january 6. my next guest has more than a thing or two to say about it.

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right now, donald trump, railing supporters in wisconsin as republican allies are out today. they are slamming the release of jack smith's new filing, the special counsel's memo reveals new evidence about his election interference investigation into donald trump. >> jack smith is asserting, unverified and and cross- examined hearsay. it is a perfect example of actual election interference. jack smith violating department of justice regulations to get out as much unverified so- called evidence as he has, because he's angry he lost and democrats don't think they will be donald trump on inflation and immigration. >> joining me now, former congressman from virginia, denver riggleman, senior adviser to the january so it house select committee and chair for the virginia republicans for harris

campaign. welcome, my friend. with the sea. is the release of this evidence weeks before voters go to the polls on election interference, is it a way to distract voters from kamala harris, senator tom cotton and donald trump himself proclaiming? >> no, when you are looking at how long this has lasted, this came out, i would rather it came out months earlier. it refocuses what the real argument is and we have an individual, her past -- saying the exact same things before the event november election back in 2020. so i think it refocuses voters and actually who they are going to vote for and looking at what donald trump is as a community -- human being, but heading into november 2020 when he was going against joe biden. >> one nugget in the filing, was that and they told prosecutors trump said so what, when he was told vice president mike pence had to be evacuated

from the capitol on january 6. how much of this information was new to you and was there anything particularly relevant tory? >> not really. i do like the phone data, alex. that is something i really like to see and the fact they had a trump's phone. however we also, on the janay reece six committee had multiple phone numbers linked to donald trump and we're talking about evidence that is -- listening to tom patton beforehand, he sort of hyperbolic lee saying things because he has no idea what happened january 6 or if he does, he's lying. talking about the phone data itself alex, it is interesting that they're going to have the data, i don't know if you remember the phone lock for seven hours where there were no phone calls in or out of the white house, we know that there were dozens of them and we know that people did them and the white house extensions. we can get exactly who is on the other end of the white house it engines but my guess is that jack might have them and that is why you see so much beer on the campaign right now. >> i would like you to listen to an interesting exchange between my colleague and two people you are familiar with, former trump official gordon

and former white house press secretary sarah matthews. both of who testified against trump and both said no more trump shortly after the capitol attack. eras that. >> why was it important for you to say no more trump because of the january 6 conduct and you stand by that? >> i don't and by and i will tell you why. i have now lived for years under the biden/harris policies and i have to say that those policies are not only becoming an existential threat to our country's way of life, but to our allies as well. >> the difference between us is that i'm willing to set policy aside and i don't agree with kamala harris on most things. but at the end of the day, we can agree on, that we respect the constitution. i believe she someone that will uphold and donald trump has shown us he won't. >> what are your thoughts on all of that? >> you know i have thoughts on that.

first of all, what policies are damaging to the united states, what is he talking about with our allies. they are just spitting out ridiculousness and the fact -- maybe he's unemployed. peter navarro is in jail. those are the people supporting trump. you have somebody who flip- flops because he thinks there's maybe a chance donald trump is going to win so he is completely disingenuous and he's just full of it. it is the same thing, this hyperbolic idiocy, fireeye talking points getting directly from the trump campaign, i almost said the campaign. but the trump campaign from mar- a-lago, it is ludicrous and sarah saying, setting solace -- policy aside and it is great that she said that but it is data-driven. when you look at drops, looking across the united states,

looking up one policy, looking at the fact we have a presidential hopeful and kamala harris that doesn't want to leave nato. it is ludicrous they say these things because my next question was, what policies. unemployment rate, what does the job look like, how are we on inflation. what are you talking about as far as what is going on overseas. the republicans are pro-putin. what you talking about, it is those questions that we need to ask these mouth breathers when they say these types of things and all of the sun change their mind based on the fact they are getting paid from donald trump. you look at peter navarro, this guy's nuts. he wrote the immaculate deception, part of the january 6th ridiculousness. he is unknown liar. everything you can find about a bad human being is peter navarro. i think anybody who says those types of things after what we've seen and what is happening right now is disingenuous and they can't pack it up with policy positions at all. other than that i don't have a lot of opinions, alex. >> i was going to say, how do you really feel. i love our conversations, i love your candor and you are always fact-based and i appreciate that as well. i will see you very soon.

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hezbollah in lebanon amid rising concerns over widespread regional war that could draw in iran. it comes tomorrow, marking one year since hamas involved israel and to 251 people hostage and estimated 97 of those captured are still being held in gaza. joining me now, the aunt of --, it has to twos been held in gaza by hamas. i want to welcome you in these obviously super difficult times, as you look to tomorrow and marking one year since the hamas attack on israel. how are you coping, what goes through your mind and what do you want to share with the world about your family's ordeal? >> thank you for having me. it is been a year, but also has been a minute or a second, or an hour. i think for all of us, who are on hold, everything is stood still for a year, with 366 days

, to be exact, today, and we are still in the of day one, of october 7th of last year, praying and hoping and fighting and just in anguish for this past year. >> i can't begin to imagine. we have images of naama, who's been up. dead, she's barefoot and bloodied. it is so disturbing. do you know anything about her condition and her health? >> we heard, i think the last time was months ago. i want to say the spring and since then we have not heard anything. we are confident and we believe she is alive, but we have not had any confirmation from --. >> your sister, who is naama's

mother, requested -- to accompany his visit in july. with cease-fire and hostage release talks at stalemate, what is your message to the israeli government? >> focus on what is important. that is my message, that is my sisters message. that is my families message. you know, we are interviewing, we are participating in what we feel can make an impact as opposed to the theatrics around it, the visit in july. and our message is yes, it is escalating to different fronts in the north and you talked about iran earlier. but the most important thing is to bring these hostages home. there's nothing more important than that. the country cannot heal, our families cannot heal. until that is done, and that is the most important thing. we are all really worried that

it has taken a back seat to other fronts. >> as you look at the jewish new year, that has passed, yom kippur for begins on friday. what are you hearing from members of your community ahead of tomorrow's terrible anniversary? >> i am hearing, and i'm here in the u.s., i am hearing a lot of prayers, kind wishes, a lot of support. and asking for forgiveness, yom kippur is around the corner, a day of atonement, and people are saying we are so sorry this hasn't happened yet, though we have not been able to bring naama home. and it is strengthening and encouraging that the community is so supportive and so sympathetic to what is going on and where we are going through. but it is not enough, the government has to do it, to bring them home.

that is the most important part. >> can i ask you how your sister is doing?, naama's mother. >> she is such an inspiration. she is incredible. i see her, you know, thrown into this unbelievable anguish, into the spotlight and into a fight she never asked for and she is just -- i can't say it without crying. i watch her and i'm in awe of where her strength is coming from. and how determined she is to do everything she can to bring naama home. and it is just -- i don't know how she does it. >> i think she does it with your help. i since you are an unwavering support and i thank you for sharing the story with us. we think about you so much. >> thank you, appreciate it. elon musk factor in this race was an article today about

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we have dirty days until the election and keeping an eye on wisconsin where former president donald trump is speaking at a rally at the battleground state. in fact, right now. one day after he returned to butler, pennsylvania, the site of his first -- first assassination attempt. he spoke from behind a wall of

proof glass and honored former firefighter corey comperatore was killed during the shooting. he also applied to -- try to blame democrats for the shooting. >> those who want to stop us from achieving this future have slandered me, impeached me, indicted me, tried to me off the ballot and who knows, maybe even tried to kill me. >> doing -- joining me now, tom nichols, staff writer with the atlantic. in light of the assassination attempt in july, -- in the months since, we have seen a return to, spreading lies about his disaster relief response. what do you make of the fallout of what happened in butler, to donald trump? >> donald trump can't change. certainly not his personality type and certainly not at his age. it is not surprising that he keeps going back to it because

look, i am glad he's okay, i think we always have to point out here that the fact donald trump is politicizing the attempt doesn't mean the rest of us have to. i'm glad the shooter missed, i'm glad the secret service got the bad guy. but for trump, this is just an unending cycle of grievance, of mining the event in a way other presidents didn't. president for didn't, ronald reagan didn't, the grievance he can say, i don't know, maybe they were trying to kill me. they, it is always day. you know, when in fact, we've seen to note that this was yet another kind of disturbed loner who was going to shoot at somebody, including perhaps joe biden from what his phone suggested to us. but trump doesn't think that way, it has to be about trump, he's going to go back to this,

he's going to keep pressing the raw nerve and it is dangerous because he's telling his supporters that everyone who doesn't disagree with them, everyone who disagrees with them and doesn't want donald trump to be president is basically potentially agitating for his martyr. >> that last point, very scary. also joining donald trump yesterday, billionaire elon musk , and here's a little bit of what he had to say. >> text people, now. now. and then make sure they actually do vote. if they don't, this will be the last election. that is my prediction. nothing is more important, nothing is more important. >> what are your thoughts on him attending the event and using his platform x to plat -- to campaign for trump. >> i know the word has been overused but what a weird appearance that was. and so much projection. only one candidate is running on a platform of, i will be a

dictator. i will be your vengeance. i will get even with all the other people. but to understand elon musk, it is important to understand, he's part of a global group of plutocrats, of fantastically wealthy people whom for various reasons, some of them practical, business reasons but mostly out of a sense of really wanting to be part of a gang, gets up there and riles up ordinary voters, by saying completely crazy stuff like this. and this is where he's going. this is a guy who is so insecure that he spent $44 billion to buy his own social network because he thought people weren't respecting him enough. and that has been a global phenomenon. you saw in england, people, with brexit, italy, poland, turkey and other places where you have authoritarian movements that are led by pretty well off people. and musk is no different.

these are insecure, fantastically rich people hiding out as populace and unfortunately it is a product they can get people to buy. >> i want to look at this "new york times" article that has what they say is a headline, noticeable decline in donald trump. related to his age. it says quote, he's always been -- and often untethered to truth but with the passage of time, speeches have grown darker, harsher, longer, angrier, less focused and or profane and increasingly fixated on the past. is this going to concern his voters? >> i was so glad to finally see this because i think it is about four years too late. but it doesn't concern his voters because remember his voters think of him as an instrument of revenge. they want to elect him in part because of how it will make them feel, to see other people be unhappy about his election. so in some ways, the worse he

is, the more his base actually wants to see him in office. as something that disturbs other americans. but we have been talking about this for a long time. even if you compare trump with two, three, four years ago, he's clearly visibly declining. joe biden, was showing evidence of decline that wasn't a patch on this. and he's no longer in the race. trump, literally, sort of has these emotional and mental meltdowns, during his rallies, and people just shrug and say, he is an unusual guy. is the way he talks. that is not the way he talks. there something wrong with him and we need to say that more often. >> we are keeping an eye on the rally underway right now. it is always, thank you tom nichols and i look forward to seeing you again. sorry seems to be the hardest word but forgiving can be more difficult.

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a world-renowned artist known in part for telling stories of the black cultural and family experience in his paintings, is trying his hand at storytelling through his new film, exhibiting forgiveness. this time, writer, director telling his own story, reckoning with his past and the father who deserved -- deserted him. the film premiered this year at sundance. here's a clip, watch. ♪ ♪

>> joining me now is artist and filmmaker titus. titus, we are glad to have you here. i want to say to folks that this to -- this film is so beautiful it reduced me to tears and filled me with hope when i saw it at sundance and i only had manage -- imagine what it was like to write this. to see it on screen, it is loosely based on your own life but there is a lot of truth to it. what compelled you to tell your story? >> honestly, it was my sons. i have two young boys. my oldest is 17 and my youngest is 15. and i needed a way to help them understand a little bit more about their father. they would ask me a bit about my youth, when they were small and i didn't feel like it was time to be able to share that story. my 17-year-old is going off to

college next year and so there's no more time left to say, when you're older. so i sat down and i started writing and originally it wasn't a script, it was just kind of a letter to my son. and over time it grew into what it is, what it is now. >> can you explain the title, exhibiting forgiveness and how it applies to the story it tells? it is a parable for what society needs more of today and the challenges of finding it. >> absolutely. this is beautiful book called exhibiting blackness that i read years ago that has been an inspiration to me for many years. what i liked about the title in terms of exhibiting forgiveness, is it is a bit of a double entendre. there is a question of the exhibit itself, as an artist, this character terrel putting these things up. but there's also this idea of, are you actually forgiving or

are you just showing something. is this an exhibition, an activity that is not truly forgiveness. and this film is one that doesn't push forward a traditional narrative around forgiveness. so i wanted to play with that in the title itself. >> how different is it, telling a story on film versus on a canvas. what was unique to the experience for you. may be the collaborative nature of making a movie must be one big difference. >> yeah, i mean, it is impossible to do a film by yourself. i'm sure somebody has done it and someone would disagree with me but i can't imagine. the film is a necessarily communal activity. i thought i was not going to like that. i can go into my studio, pick up my paintbrush and make a painting by myself, i don't need anyone else to do that. film is not like that. as i said, i thought i wasn't

going to like that, but it ended up being one of the most important things. the community of people who came together, to realize this vision. every single person had a little bit of their own story, wrapped up in this story and for that, they gave -- and i am incredibly grateful to the people who worked on this project. >> where there seems you couldn't watch during filming or conversely, was there a scene in the film you go, this is it, this is what it is all about. >> that is a good question. we were filming a scene upstairs in the gallery. you will remember, i don't want to completely spoil it. but i had gone through the situation and wasn't in the gallery, i was actually in my studio. that there was something about watching andre, our league, go through what i had gone through. there was something about me seeing it, that really just broke me inside. i don't know how else to say it

. i found myself laying on the floor for half an hour in a dark room just crying. i had to leave the set. it was a very difficult thing but it really speaks to the power of andre's ability to realize, real emotions. he's not playing. he doesn't feel like acting, it was more conjuring of something. it was a very powerful event and the reality is that it helped me move forward in my own healing. own healing. watching it, at sundance, that was one of the spots. a beautiful film. i am so ofglad to grab a little bit of your time. you are so busy right now in san francisco. for all of you, "exhibiting forgiveness." >> thank you very much. and that is going to do it for me on this edition of alex witt reports. prime weekend, next is edition x witt reports. prime weekend, next