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the line of cars, a mile, two miles long here as people are bracing for a second round of storm surge. just one week since helene. talking about evacuation orders, over 50 counties from a state of emergency. one thing that poses a massive risk, those debris piles left over from helene. they can be very dangerous projectiles especially with increased wind speeds around here. so, we just heard from the governor who said clearing the debris piles is a top priority, jonathan. >> thank you. and that will do it for me. thanks for watching. i will be back next saturday and sunday at 6:00 eastern ck ny and sunday at 6:00 eastern and this is "dateline." he very much recognized how bad she was for him. but she kept showing up in his life, and just like a drug addict, he kept letting her right back in the door. narrator: her trial riveted the country.
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we, the jury, find the defendant, as to count one first degree murder, guilty. [cheering] narrator: jodi arias, who brutally murdered her lover, was facing a possible death sentence. interviewer: did you ever think that she would do what she did? who would think that? narrator: it was a steamy story of sex. we hang out, we have sex. narrator: lies. she's able to tell a lie. she believes the lie. narrator: and murder. he attacked me and i defended myself. narrator: after one of the most sensational and bizarre trials ever, here are the chilling details from her friends. you see any cuts on her? tiny, little cuts. narrator: and his. he was very afraid of her, but every time he tried to break things off with jodi, she would threaten to kill herself. narrator: inside the jodi arias trial. this isn't a ride at disneyland, guys. this is somebody who was tragically murdered. [music playing]
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hello, and welcome to "dateline." when travis alexander was murdered, friends immediately suspected his former girlfriend, jodi arias. graphic evidence found at the scene pointed to jodi as well, and soon, she was arrested. her trial captivated the nation with months of lurid testimony. through it all, there was a fascinating mystery at the heart of the crime, who was jodi arias? here's josh mankiewicz with along came jodi. mr. alexander was stabbed. you would acknowledge that, right? yes. it would be you that did it, correct? yes. josh mankiewicz: the jodi arias trial never played is a murder mystery. jodi, after all, had admitted to 12 jurors in open court, and a few million viewers on tv, that she was the one who shot,
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stabbed, and then stabbed some more, her former boyfriend and secret sex partner. judge: as to count one first degree murder, guilty. josh mankiewicz: why, then, did so many millions of trial followers stick around for the final act? [cheering] and why did so many leave home and work to gather on the courthouse steps to await the final verdict? justice for travis. justice for travis. josh mankiewicz: we'll take an in-depth look at the case into why jodi arias became so obsessed with travis alexander, and why so many of you became obsessed with this trial. hello, carol? [laughter] josh mankiewicz: we start with this home video, played for the jury. it shows travis holding court amid a circle of friends. look a little closer and you'll see a blonde tenderly nestled in his lap.
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that's jodi in much happier times, when she and travis first started dating. no hint then of what was coming. we were excited for travis finding somebody that he was interested in. josh mankiewicz: chris hughes was travis's mentor at work. that's him on the couch with travis and jodi. chris and his wife, sky, were there when the two met. when we met her that first night, we liked her. yeah. right off the bat, she was someone that would be a good match for travis. josh mankiewicz: aaron dewey was a roommate of travis's. aside from the physical chemistry that was already there, there seemed to be a lot of emotional chemistry right off the bat as well. josh mankiewicz: jodi arias has been described as seductive, sexy, sultry. and travis alexander, when they first met, probably felt he was every bit her counterpart. he was a successful insurance salesman, handsome, charismatic. dave hall worked with travis and was close to him. interviewer: good friend?
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close friend? - very good friend. best friend? you know, it's funny because i've seen, recently, numerous people come forward and say, hey, he was my best friend. and that's just the type of guy travis was. he made everybody feel like you were his best friend. josh mankiewicz: according to his friends, travis was more than a bit of a ladies' man. but this time, travis was out of his league. jodi became travis's drug. he was able to get something from her that he couldn't get anywhere else with the good, wholesome mormon girls that he typically dated here in arizona. which was what, not just sex, but crazy sex, or? yeah. sex that-- over-the-top, over-the-top stuff. jodi used sex to control travis. at first, she tried to be like this good girl with morals and values. and then that didn't work and so then she turned on the sex. josh mankiewicz: and that had travis, a devout mormon, tied up in knots. breaking the church's law of chastity, that is,
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having sex before marriage, is serious stuff. mormons believe the sinner risks an eternity in hell if he or she fails to repent before death. the result seems to have been that travis kept his relationship with jodi in the closet. aaron dewey: he wanted people to believe, especially the girls that he was dating, that he was still a virgin, that he was still worthy to have a healthy, long-term marriage with a good mormon girl. so this was a guy leading a double life. yeah. josh mankiewicz: jodi tried to resolve that conflict by converting to mormonism, only to find it wasn't good enough for travis. he summoned his will and broke it off with her. the moral equation may have been cruel, but to travis, it was undeniable. jodi's lust, her willingness to have sex in all sorts of ways before marriage, might have made her the perfect secret girlfriend, but it simultaneously
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disqualified her as a wife. aaron dewey: she was not going to be the one that he was going to spend the rest of his life with, and he communicated that to her. that would make anybody feel pretty bad and pretty hurt. yeah. josh mankiewicz: what travis kept secret from his friends was that he and jodi were still having sex. what he didn't keep secret were his concerns that jodi was stalking him. he was very disturbed by her behavior, but every time he tried to break things off with jodi, she would threaten to kill herself. josh mankiewicz: clearly, jodi wasn't serious about suicide. we know that now because at the time she was making those threats, she was prowling sales conventions and on the phone at night, flirting with a guy named ryan burns. she seemed like a cool girl. we exchanged numbers. but about two or three weeks after that, we started talking on the phone four or five times a week. josh mankiewicz: during one of those calls, jodi promised to visit ryan in utah.
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and one morning in june 2008, she came knocking at his door. he had no idea what had just happened at travis's house in arizona, and he didn't know jodi had been there just one day before. how did she look? she looked fine. she just looked normal. you see any cuts on her? tiny, little cuts. she had a couple of little bandages on one of her hands. there wasn't a moment where i thought, you know, are you ok? is anything wrong? we were laughing about simple, little things. she seemed totally into the moment. josh mankiewicz: back in arizona, travis's friends found him dead, his home a bloody crime scene. in the washing machine, police found a waterlogged camera that would come to mean everything in this case. some of travis's friends, like chris and sky hughes, suspected jodi from the start. i knew, in that very moment, that jodi arias did it. he turned to me and said, jodi did this.
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josh mankiewicz: ryan burns thought he knew jodi, and the girl he knew was no killer. i honestly and genuinely didn't believe that she could have had anything to do with it. i thought there's no way. i mean, this girl won't even let me kill a spider on the wall because she didn't want to hurt god's creature. but then you started hearing, from other friends of yours and people who were friends of travis, that they suspected her. right. people told me not to take her calls. people told me not to talk to her. but at that point, she had become either a very good friend that this is a horrible time to turn the back on her or it was just the situation where, am i really talking to a murderer? josh mankiewicz: aaron dewey wasn't sure what to believe. jodi, he said, played the role of the innocent perfectly. 13 days after travis's murder, she volunteered to talk to the mesa police, asking dewey for a ride to the station. tell me what happened in the car that day. ironically, nothing out of the ordinary. she was acting like nothing was going on.
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and she came out and said, what, everything's fine? we're good. let's go home. what else did she say about travis's murder? she claimed to know nothing about it, you know. she was saying that she wasn't there, that she hadn't seen him in months. josh mankiewicz: that's the story jodi told police as well, and the one she stuck with for weeks, up until the day police took her away in handcuffs, and that's when jodi's story started changing. coming up. love and death caught on camera for all the world to see. were there's some that involved mr. alexander in the shower? technician: yes. josh mankiewicz: when "dateline" continues. ♪♪ stay ahead of your child's moderate-to-severe eczema. and they can show off clearer skin and less itch with dupixent, the #1 prescribed biologic by dermatologists and allergists, that helps heal your child's skin from within. serious allergic reactions can occur that can be severe.
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f a former boyfriend, of hers, an individual that she was in love with. josh mankiewicz: on january 2, 2013, 4 and 1/2 years after the slaughter of travis alexander, the prosecutor opened the first degree murder trial of jodi arias by talking about a love that had gone very, very wrong. she rewarded that love by sticking a knife in his chest. josh mankiewicz: juan martinez laid out his case for jodi's guilt, as detectives, technicians, and analysts, one by one, took the stand and connected jodi to the crime. her hair and dna at the scene.
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so this hair that you examined, who did that match? the root matched jodi arias. josh mankiewicz: a crime scene specialist testified she found jodi's bloody handprint on the wall. martinez had that part of the wall brought into court. what is it? this is the piece of the wall that was cut out and collected as item number 77 lb. and this is what we're looking at in this photograph? while it's still in the wall, yes. josh mankiewicz: perhaps the most damning evidence came from this sony camera, discovered in travis's washing machine. after weeks of work, technicians restored photos that were once deleted. and with regard to the items that were deleted, were there some that involved mr. alexander in the shower? technician: yes. josh mankiewicz: what made these pictures key to the case had to do with a feature built into the camera. these images, when you take them with this camera, it embeds the date and time that the camera has set on it to the file itself. josh mankiewicz: meaning, for the prosecution, those photos, along with the other evidence, told a story,
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that jodi showed up at travis's home around 4:00 am on june 4th, 2008. they had steamy sex until about 5:00 pm, photographing each other as they did so. between 5:22 and 5:29, jodi took these time-stamped photos of travis in his shower. about one minute after this picture was taken, the repeated stabbing of travis alexander began. maricopa county medical examiner kevin horne testified that cuts on travis's hands help explain what happened, as he was stabbed 27 times, nearly decapitated, and shot in the head. i believe the wounds to the hands must have occurred before the fatal injuries, either of the head or of the throat. josh mankiewicz: at 5:31, the camera snaps what seems to be an accidental photo
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of the bathroom ceiling. the next photo, taken at 5:32, shows travis on the floor, bleeding profusely around the neck. in the foreground is what looks like a woman's pant leg. according to the prosecutor, it could only be jodi's. brian burns testified, telling the court the same story he told us, about how jodi visited him in utah one day after killing travis. she got on top of me pretty aggressively and we were kissing. josh mankiewicz: martinez then played for the jury powerful video of jodi lying outright to mesa police detective esteban flores, just before her arrest. why won't you admit to it? josh mankiewicz: an accusation that would make many people crumble. but jodi persistently stuck to her story.
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what's so remarkable, looking back at this police interview tape, is that even in the face of immutable evidence, jody can lie, seamlessly and definitely, and very creatively. because the next day, after being booked and charged with travis's murder, jodi had a completely different story to tell the police, admitting she was there that night, but that masked intruders had burst in and killed travis, and that she'd been too afraid to say anything. and it was through these videotapes the jury heard, in jodi's own words, how her story had evolved. but it's the outtakes from these recordings, the parts
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the jury didn't see, that may also give insight into how jodi operates. let's go back to the exchange between jodi and detective flores, just before he confronted her with the photos from travis's camera. i was like, no. esteban flores: it's him, typical. yeah. josh mankiewicz: if jody was nervous, she didn't show it, maybe because a giggle and a head toss had worked on so many guys so many times before. then after her flirtatious routine fell flat and she was about to be arrested, jodi still seemed completely unworried. facing murder charges, many of us might think the world had turned upside down. but for jodi arias, it was a chance to get into a headstand.
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in yoga, it's called salamba shirshasana, a cure for whatever is ailing you. then finally, before being led away, she made one last request. she wanted to look good, apparently, for this cheerful mug shot, in control and out to win over an audience, no matter how big or small, which may explain why, when the defense was ready to put on its case, the first witness they called-- judge: you may come forward and take a seat, please. josh mankiewicz: --was jodi arias. narrator: coming up. jodi's new defense, self-defense, as she takes the stand and almost won't get off. he gets a hotel room, i show up. we hang out. we have sex.
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josh mankiewicz: when "dateline" continues.
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like the color of her hair, jodi arias's account of the death of her boyfriend changed over time. first, she told police she wasn't there. next, that masked home invaders had killed travis. then in court came version number 3.
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judge: do you solemnly swear. josh mankiewicz: this time, she swore she was telling the whole truth. juan martinez: did you kill travis alexander on june 4th, 2008? yes, i did. prosecutor: why? um, the simple answer is that he attacked me and i defended myself. having a client that's lied in the past makes it very difficult for a defense attorney. you're trying to play catch up the entire time, trying to prove that your client's credible. josh mankiewicz: ulises ferragut is a phoenix defense attorney who's tried death penalty cases, but wasn't part of the arias trial. he said jodi's defense team was right to put jodi on the stand, risky as it was, to try to connect with the jury. they do need to have the jury feel some sense of sympathy, some sorrow for her. it was very important to humanize jodi. josh mankiewicz: the defense started with the claim
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that jodi had suffered long-term physical and emotional abuse, first around of the age of seven from her parents. i think that's the first year my dad started using a belt. um, my mom began to carry a wooden spoon in her purse. josh mankiewicz: jodi's parents, who were there for much of her testimony, won't say whether her claims are true. the defense theme of jodi as a victim continued with her accusations that she felt used and debased by travis alexander. what do you mean, though, that you felt used? he gets a hotel room, i show up. we hang out. we have sex. i'm getting a lot of attention, but only while we're engaging in sexual activity. i kind of felt like a prostitute, sort of. the graphic sexual testimony really goes to the heart of the question as to whether travis was physically and emotionally abusing her
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through the sexual relationship they had. josh mankiewicz: the jury heard a recording jodi made, she said, at travis's request of a steamy phone call. did you and travis ever videotape yourself while having sex? yes. and whose desire was for that to take place? his. josh mankiewicz: defense expert alyce laviolette, who co-authored a book about battered women, suggested emails from travis's friends to jodi show travis took advantage of women. they advised her to move on from the relationship, that mr. alexander has been abusive to women. josh mankiewicz: that testimony, heard by millions and the jury, was stricken by the judge. jodi's defense lawyers never called to the stand
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the authors of those emails, chris and sky hughes, who say their words were twisted by the defense. it doesn't exist. the abuse does not exist. what's it like to see your words used as a murder defense when the victim was your friend? it's gut-wrenching. you know, they're using our words to make travis like somebody that he absolutely was not. he called me a bitch. he kicked me in the ribs. josh mankiewicz: during her marathon 18 days on the stand, 11 coming under friendly defense questioning, jodi said travis had once become enraged after they'd argued over money. he went to kick me again and i put my hand out. what happened after that segment? i screamed really loud. i think i yelled out, my finger and my hand, or something to that effect. josh mankiewicz: jodi showed the jury the misshapen fingers she claimed was the result of travis's outburst. but whatever concerns she may have had about violence, she and travis didn't stop seeing each other.
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he seemed very happy to see me. josh mankiewicz: jodi came to travis's house early one morning in june 2008. that day, the day he died, there was sex, lots of it, she acknowledged. after all, there was no denying all the photos they took. we were trying out different poses. josh mankiewicz: jodi herself described a happy, playful, erotic day, until travis's brand new camera slipped out of her hands. he was screaming that i was a stupid idiot and he body slammed me again on the tile. josh mankiewicz: jodi testified that she remembered travis kept a gun in his closet and ran to get it. i grabbed the gun. i run out of the closet. he was chasing me. josh mankiewicz: she described travis lunging at her, the gun going off without her even knowing it. she said travis then kept coming, even with a bullet in his head.
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and we fell. and i got up, and he's just screaming, angry. and after i broke away from him, he said, [bleep] kill you, bitch. do you remember stabbing travis alexander? i have no memory of stabbing him. do you remember dragging him across the floor? no. do you remember placing him in the shower? josh mankiewicz: jodi had lied so many times before that she must have hoped she'd get away with it one last time with the 12 people who mattered the most, the jury. but so many people watching on tv and the internet had, by now, heard enough of jodi's stories that they'd already reached their own verdicts. the jodi arias trial goes viral with its own twitter account, ticket scalpers, and an unexpected new cable star. narrator: coming up. josh mankiewicz: people ask you for your autograph now? yes, they do. interviewer: right? people want to take a picture with you.
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katie wick: they do. narrator: when "dateline" continues. ♪♪ when you have moderate to severe eczema, it's okay to show off. with dupixent, show off your clearer skin and less itch. because you have plenty of reasons to show off your skin. with dupixent, the #1 prescribed biologic by dermatologists and allergists, you can stay ahead of your eczema. it helps block a key source of inflammation inside the body that can cause eczema to help heal your skin from within. many adults saw 90% clearer skin, some even achieved long-lasting clearer skin and fast itch relief after first dose. serious allergic reactions can occur that can be severe. tell your doctor about new or worsening eye problems such as eye pain or vision changes including blurred vision, joint aches and pain, or a parasitic infection. don't change or stop asthma medicines without talking to your doctor.
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. news update, the world is commemorating one year since the october 7th attacks on israel by hamas. over 100 hostages remain in gaza while more than 40,000 people were killed as the conflict continues to escalate across the middle east. hurricane milton continues to intensify, strengthening to a category 1 on sunday. the storm is expected to impact florida this week as the state is recovering from hurricane helene. for now, back to "dateline." he helene. for now, back to "dateline." jodi arias took the stand at her own murder trial, spinning a graphic tale of sex and abuse. she admitted she killed travis alexander, but said it was self-defense. millions watched her testimony live on tv and the internet.
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and some would take their obsession further. here, again, is josh mankiewicz with along came jodi. josh mankiewicz: the many faces of jodi arias, and a steamy four-month saga of sex, lies, and videotape, quickly made her trial the hottest show in town. every morning at daybreak, people would line up, hoping to get a seat for a close-up look at moments like these. alyce laviolette: mr. martinez, i think-- yes or no. my question is, are you talking, yes or no? mr. martinez, are you angry with me? [laughs] ma'am, is that relevant to you? is that important to you? judge: please refrain from laughing in the courtroom. josh mankiewicz: one early rising regular even sold her spot in line to a late comer for 200 bucks. judge: ladies and gentlemen. josh mankiewicz: the judge, unhappy to hear tickets to her trial were being scalped, ordered the money refunded. and this juror, dismissed for reasons unknown,
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returned to court the following day. apparently, she was hooked on the action. i knew that my life was pretty much over. josh mankiewicz: as were millions of people, who just couldn't get enough of the story of boy meets girl, girl kills boy. it wasn't just televised, but streamed live, raw, unfiltered across the internet. people aren't content to just watch. they want to participate. they're doing research on the players. josh mankiewicz: arizona republic reporter michael kiefer covered the trial, and said many were ready with their verdicts long before the testimony was over. anyone who takes less than an approach of, well, she deserves the death penalty and she deserves it now, is considered biased. josh mankiewicz: and any perception of bias for the defense, even by defense witnesses, could bring a hostile reaction from jodi haters. this all became dangerously interactive
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when psychotherapist alyce laviolette testified for the defense, supporting jodi's claim she'd been sexually used by travis. prosecutor: and what does he do, after he gives her the "book of mormon?" he tells her that he's horny and they have oral sex. she performs oral sex on him. while laviolette's testimony was calm and measured, the vitriol thrown at her on the internet was anything but. she was personally and professionally attacked. a petition was started to stop her from speaking at conferences, and her book about why battered women stay with their accusers, was hit with hundreds of online mudslinging reviews. michael kiefer: she got hundreds and thousands of those kinds of remarks over the internet, people calling her office, threatening her. they had to call the police. if i were to walk up to her in the hallway of the courtroom and say, you know, i don't like your testimony and i may hurt you and i'm going to try to ruin
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your career, that's a felony. josh mankiewicz: and she wasn't the only target. michael kiefer reported jodi's lawyer, jennifer willmott, also received threats. jodi herself also took to social media with a twitter account that drew more than 51,000 followers. she did it through a friend she met in jail. donavan bering became jodi's unofficial spokeswoman and twitter administrator. you actually operate the twitter account? yes. but those are jodi's words. everything that's on there comes from jodi. those are her thoughts, those are her opinions. josh mankiewicz: jodi used twitter to sell her own original artwork and to make points she couldn't make on the witness stand. in one, she needled prosecutor martinez. "hmm, anger management problems, anyone?" another tweet was more snarky, intimating that martinez was "afflicted with little man syndrome." that comment has since been deleted.
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but all of this attention helped elevate the public persona of juan martinez-- a once anonymous bulldog of a prosecutor, now a prominent co-star in the jodi show. just ask some of the trial tourists, the mostly women who traveled from around the country to witness the trial firsthand. juan martinez, you never know what he's going to pull out of his hat. he's travis's voice and we admire him for that. oh, yeah. josh mankiewicz: sisters amy markham and dawn johnson both took the week off from their jobs in st. louis in hopes of getting a ringside seat ear and maybe meeting some cable tv celebrities. once you go into the courtroom, it's so surreal, like you've been seeing all these people on tv. and here they are in person. yeah. this is like our hollywood. josh mankiewicz: one of the stars the sisters were hoping to spot was katie wick.
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oh, dr. drew, what a crazy day. josh mankiewicz: every night, katie gave her take on the trial during hln's dr. drew show. i have a lot of respect and admiration for juan martinez. josh mankiewicz: she wasn't an anchor, reporter, or an attorney, just a regular spectator who caught the eye of a cable news booker, hand and voila. people want to take a picture with you. they do. they do. i mean, to the audience that is fixated on the jodi arias trial, you're a celeb. what i have people telling me is, katie, i love that you're just i do want to say average person, but in essence, i am. i'm not going in there as a lawyer or a doctor, i'm just going in there just a person. josh mankiewicz: just a regular person in the jodi arias show. this is not jersey shore. this isn't like, did you see it last night when jwoww popped mike the situation in the eye? this is life and death. this is a death penalty case. and america's reacting to it like it's a reality show. like it's a reality show.
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without talking to your doctor. show off to the world. ask your child's eczema specialist about dupixent. the jodi arias trial may have played like entertainment to millions of devoted viewers hooked on the daily drama unfolding on cable. judge: miss arias, you may come forward and take a seat, please. josh mankiewicz: but this wasn't a tv show.
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it was a murder trial. the stakes were literally life and death. what are you trying to say? am i allowed to tell you what i'm trying to say? josh mankiewicz: looking back, the four-month trial really came down to this, a showdown between the bulldog prosecutor and the woman whose image changed at trial from sexy wannabe photographer to plain jane admitted killer. prosecutor martinez set the tone from the beginning of his cross-examination. he found a crack in jodi's trademark composure. when jody appeared to have a perfect memory of her sexual escapades, but not of stabbing travis 27 times. i have no memory of stabbing him. josh mankiewicz: at first, jodi gave as good as she got in sparring with the prosecutor. what factors influence your having a memory problem? usually when men like you are screaming at me or grilling me, or someone like travis doing the same.
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so that affects your memory problems, right? it does. it makes my brain scrambled. josh mankiewicz: and then there was the matter of the gun jodi used to shoot travis. she testified she found it at his house. because now he's in the closet. josh mankiewicz: martinez presented evidence that a gun of the same caliber was stolen from the home of jodi's grandparents in yreka, california just before the killing, while jodi was living there. juan martinez: you brought the gun from yreka, didn't you? no. josh mankiewicz: the implication? this was premeditated murder. after all the lies and the tweeting by jodi arias, finally, after days of cross-examination, prosecutor martinez seemed to break her down. juan martinez: you would acknowledge that that stabbing was after the shooting, according to you, right? yes. i don't remember. juan martinez: i'm not asking you if you remember, ma'am. i'm asking if you acknowledge that it would be you that did it, correct?
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yes. juan martinez: so if he is being stabbed in the back, would you acknowledge that at that point, that he's no threat to you, right? i don't know. juan martinez: well, if he's already been shot, according to you, and he's facing away from you, how could he possibly be any threat to you? i could only guess. i don't know what you're asking me. josh mankiewicz: jodi's claim of self-defense was being whittled away. juan martinez: would you agree that you're the person who actually slit mr. alexander's throat from ear to ear? yes. juan martinez: would you also agree that you're the individual that stabbed him in the upper torso?
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yes. juan martinez: and you're doing all of this-- according to your version of events, you're doing to this individual after you have already shot him, right? yes. josh mankiewicz: jodi initially tried to lie her way out of this jam, but was she now trying to cry her way out of it on the witness stand? she's manipulative. she's cunning. and i suspect she can be extremely seductive. josh mankiewicz: forensic psychiatrist steve pitt, who was familiar with the case, but did not examine jodi arias, saw a woman good at manipulating others, but not so good with being rejected. i saw her diagnosed by the prosecution's expert witness as having borderline personality disorder. what does that mean? what could be the understatement
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of this particular case, they do not do real well with rejection or abandonment. jodi arias is, essentially, the 21st century version of the character that glenn close played in "fatal attraction." josh mankiewicz: if there was any time during the trial when jurors tip their hand about how they felt about jodi arias, it came over the course of two days when they questioned her directly. arizona is one state where jurors can actually ask questions of the defendant. the judge reads them. did police ever find your grandfather's gun? josh mankiewicz: while the tone was not as biting as that of the prosecutor, those jury questions were overwhelmingly full of skepticism and disbelief. why did you place travis's body back in the shower? why not just tell the police the truth from the start? after all the lies you have told, why should we believe you now? the lies that i've told in this case
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can be tied directly back to either protecting travis's reputation or my involvement in his death in any way, because i was very ashamed. josh mankiewicz: and that's what this would all boil down to, all of jody's lies. she was a chameleon. she read people really well, really well. and she would adapt to whatever situation she was in. josh mankiewicz: jodi's old friend, aaron dewey. she would reflect back to you whatever it was that you wanted to hear, whatever, whoever it was that you wanted her to be. josh mankiewicz: jodi arias spent 18 days on the stand, an almost unheard of stand for a defendant in any murder trial. but was that part of the defense's grand strategy, keep arias on the stand so long that jurors would never vote to execute someone they'd gotten to know so well, in such intimate detail? phoenix criminal defense attorney ulises ferragut
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followed the arias' case. i think that was the defense strategy. the longer we keep her on the stand, the more they hear from her, they will hopefully ingratiate themselves with her to a certain extent and, hopefully, spare her life. josh mankiewicz: jurors had four months to think about all the questions. now it was time for answers and a verdict. "dateline" returns after the break. feeling ughh from a backed up gut? ughh. miralax works naturally with the water in your body to help you go. free your gut and your mood will follow. for 8 grams of fiber, try mirafiber gummies.
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end neared... the spectacle that was the jodi arias trial spilled out of the courtroom and off the flat screens... and onto the street. "did you kill travis alexander?" josh mankiewicz (voiceover): this trial started with jodi arias admitting she killed travis alexander. and yet... she testified in her own defense for weeks... as if she still thought she could talk her way out of trouble. juan martinez (in court): you saw her crying on the witness stand. can anybody debate the reason she was crying was because she cries for herself? josh mankiewicz (voiceover): if there was one point juan martinez wanted to drive home in his closing arguments to the jury-- juan martinez (in court): she's such an ornate liar josh mankiewicz (voiceover): it was that jodi arias had spent the last 4 months running a con on them. juan martinez (in court): are you going to buy her lies? are you going to believe what she tells you? josh mankiewicz (voiceover): in his summation, defense lawyer kirk nurmi didn't ask for an acquittal.
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even he seemed to acknowledge that jurors were likely to convict jodi of -something-. kirk nurmi (in court): if ms. arias is guilty of any crime at all it is the crime of manslaughter and nothing more. josh mankiewicz (voiceover): and he pointedly reminded the jury that this wasn't a reality show--that their decision shouldn't be about whether they approve of the woman whose sexual escapades have been part of their daily routine for four months.. kirk nurmi (in court): 9 days out of 10 i don't like jodi arias. josh mankiewicz (voiceover): it was a phrase that resonated ... if not with the jury, then certainly with his client... who responded via twitter: "9 days out of 10...that sounds about right." if you think it's strange that a murder defendant would laugh it up via social media even while a jury deliberates her fate, then you don't know jodi arias. but of course, that was kind of the issue throughout this trial.
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who was she? jodi arias (in court): i don't know. josh mankiewicz (voiceover): look closely at jodi arias during cross examination. no matter how much she sobs--while strategically, perhaps, covering here face --there seem to be no tear-drops falling from her eyes. forensic psychiatrist steven pitt was struck by her ability to lie with confidence. steven pitt: that's a terrific, sociopathic skill. she's able to tell a lie.he'l the wool over someone else. josh mankiewicz (voiceover): if that's true...this jury didn't fall for it in their assessment of jodi's state of mind.... "ladies and gentlemen, i understand you have reached a verdict?" josh mankiewicz (voiceover): their judgment? that it was premeditated... "we the jury do find the defendant, as to count one, first degree murder, guilty." (crowd cheering) josh mankiewicz (voiceover): outside... the crowd erupted in cheers. "justice for travis!" josh mankiewicz (voiceover): inside, though, a much different mood...
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jodi arias sat in silence, as each juror was individually polled. this time, her tears were definitely real. and while travis' family quietly cried and hugged... his old friend, dave hall, took to the courthouse steps. dave hall: i'm just glad that the jury realized jodi is a pathological liar and gave her what she deserves. josh mankiewicz (voiceover): while travis' friends were relieved jodi would be held accountable, they also held fast to their mormon faith. sky hughes: i'm required to forgive her. it's gonna take me some time. josh mankiewicz (voiceover): and just after her conviction, the rarely-silent jodi made clear what kind of punishment she'd like to receive in an interview with phoenix tv station k-s-a-z. ksaz tape: jodi: i believe death is the ultimate freedom, so i would rather just have my freedom as soon as i can get it. josh mankiewicz (voiceover): after those words, the sheriff's department announced it was placing arias on suicide watch. her family members left the jail that night in stunned silence.
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and the next phase of her murder trial--to determine if the level of brutality met arizona's death penalty standards--was unexpectedly postponed. no explanation. although the maricopa county sheriff's office confirmed she had been transferred to a jail house psych ward. turns out, two juries deadlocked on whether jodi should be executed, leaving the decision to a judge. in april 2015, jodi arias was sentenced to life without parole. juan martinez (in court): a former boyfriend of hers josh mankiewicz (voiceover): as for the man who prosecuted her, in march 2019, juan martinez was hit with a misconduct complaint filed by the state bar of arizona. it alleged, in part, that he leaked information to a blogger during the penalty phase of the arias trial and that he had inappropriate communications with a dismissed juror. in february 2020, martinez was dismissed from the county
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attorney's office. in july, he agreed to give up his license to practice law in the state of arizona, ending the misconduct complaint. martinez's attorney said that although he agreed to be disbarred, he was not admitting misconduct. meanwhile, jodi arias remains behind bars. after being the center of attention for so long, she is serving her sentence, and living her own reality craig melvin: that's all for this edition of dateline. i'm craig melvin. thank you for watching. heli tell people it'sin, the miracle of facebook. all i did was put one sentence, just one sentence. it's not often that you get to be a hero. i got halfway through this and just went, oh, my god!

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