bunch of newsworthy events in the last couple days, first days of october. the polls, for now, remain unchanged. political respore respondent for "politico," meredith mcgraw. thank you. thank you to all of you for getting up "way too early" on this monday morning. "morning joe" starts right now. is there anybody here that's going to vote for lyin kamala? please raise your hand. actually, don't raise your hand. it'd be very dangerous. we don't want to see anybody get hurt. please don't raise your hand. >> former president trump in wisconsin yesterday flat out suggesting that his followers would physically harm those who support his political opponent. we're going to have more on his increasingly dangerous rhetoric one month now from the election. today also marks one year since the deadly attacks in

israel carried out by hamas terrorists, sparking a war in gaza that has no end in sight. we'll look back at that dark day and get a live report from israel on the current situation there. meanwhile, donald trump continues to lie about the federal response to hurricane helene. >> entire networks continue to lie about it. republicans continue to lie about it. even when republican senators and governors from the states that are affected are actually calling donald trump a liar. actually calling republicans, state officials calling them a liar. north carolina's largest newspaper yesterday said that donald trump's lies are the last thing this battered region needs right now. >> but he is ratcheting up on every level. >> every level. >> hatred and lies. it comes as the biden administration sends more desperately needed aid and resources to the areas hit the hardest. and more severe weather is likely to hit florida this week

with hurricane milton expected to make landfall sometime later this week. a lot to get to. >> yesterday, bill karins showed, as that was just starting to develop, showed that tampa might once again be a bull's eye. said something like he felt like crying. this is going to be -- this is a region already devastated, like north carolina. another storm hitting this area. some of these places just completely wiped out. >> yeah. we're going to -- we have so much to get to this morning. plus sports, as well, with a special guest. good morning. welcome to "morning joe." it is monday, october 7th. with us, we have the host of "way too early," white house bureau chief at "politico," jonathan lemire. bbc's special correspondent katty kay. chief political columnist at "puck," john heilemann. and managing editor at "the bulwark," sam stein. good to have you all this morning. we will begin with former

president trump, who on saturday, returned to the site of the first assassination attempt against him. now, during that rally in butler, pennsylvania, he and his allies accused democrats of trying to kill him. >> over the past eight years, those who want to stop us from achieving this future have slandered me, impeached me, indicted me, tried to throw me off the ballot. and who knows? maybe even tried to kill me. you know, i always say there's an enemy from within. and there's an outside enemy. and if you're smart, the outside enemy is not going to be a problem. russia, china, north korea, we're not going to have a problem if you have a smart president. if you have not such a smart president, then it's a problem. but we have an enemy from within, which i think is much more dangerous than the outside enemy. >> first, they tried to silence

him. when that didn't work, they tried to bankrupt him. when that didn't work, they tried to jail him. and with all the hatred they have spewed at president trump, it was only a matter of time before somebody tried to kill him. >> then, guys, they tried to kill him. they tried to kill him. and it's because the democratic party, they can't do anything right. they can't do anything right. you see it this week in the fema response in north carolina. and in georgia and in south carolina and in florida. >> this is a pivotal moment for our country. i don't even have to tell anybody that here. we can all feel it. this is no longer a fight between republican versus democrat, left versus right. it is good versus evil, and good is going to win this battle, ladies and gentlemen.

>> the level of un-american activity that you just saw is stunning. that is un-american. they know they're lying. donald trump knows that's a lie. he will tell you that the secret service, he thought, did the best job they could do. the fact that jd vance and trump's family would out and out say what they said, takes the threat of violence, takes the threat beyond where it was even leading up to january the 6th. this is an increasingly desperate person, an increasingly desperate family, who is preparing for civil war.

they just are. talking about they're trying to kill him. democrats are trying to kill him. and the lies. think about this. i saw part of donald trump's speech this weekend. it was remarkable, the lies. not just on these things, but on policy, he'd make up things and throw it out there. i was shocked that the audience was really that stupid, to believe the crazy lies that he was throwing out there. but he does it so much. it is the falsehood, the firehose of falsehoods. but they continue to lie about 2020. vance continues lying about 2020. trump continues lying about 2020. senators will not say on sunday news shows that donald trump lost in 2020, despite the fact

republican officials in every one of those states that mattered said that, yes, in fact, donald trump lost. brian kemp said it in georgia. republican officials said it in michigan. republican officials said it in pennsylvania. they said it in arizona. they have said it repeatedly. trump and vance lying about people of ohio eating dogs and cats. you have the republican governor of ohio, lifelong republican, telling them to stop, that it is a lie. now, the people of the carolinas suffering in a way that only those who have gone through tragic hurricanes, like hurricane katrina, hurricane camille, and now this hurricane, could imagine. donald trump, jd vance, eric trump, everyone else in the

republican party, entire news channels out and out lying about what's going on on the ground there. talking about civil war. it's staggering, just staggering, when you have republican governors from those states, republican senators from those states, republican mayors from those states, republican county commissioners from those states, republican officials from those states, saying that they're doing great. in a tragic situation, they are coordinating very well with the federal government. shame on donald trump. show this "charlotte observer" headline. it is an editorial from the largest paper in the state of north carolina. "shame on donald trump for worsening north carolina's tragedy with political lies."

and now the lie about democrats trying to kill him. the lie about a person whose family had a trump sign in his front yard trying to kill him. or the person who voted for donald trump in 2016, the lie that they were somehow part of a federal government conspiracy. they can't run on the truth because they're losing on the truth. and so the lies continue. the lies get more dangerous, increasingly desperate tactics. it's unbelievable. increasingly deranged talk. increasingly dangerous provocation. and perhaps a provocation that is preparation for his loss at the ballot box and a call for civil war. let me tell you, there are hosts, in fact, there's a

specific host on another network, the most popular host on that network that has called for civil war. that has said, let's stop trying to figure this out at the ballot box. let's move to civil war. >> great. >> does anything sound conservative about this? because i spent this weekend, i spent this weekend going back through the books that i grew up on. not this one. this came out in '13. this is extraordinary conservative, a man that every conservative i respected just loved and respected. also, a man who understood the danger of donald trump and warned about the danger of donald trump before he died. a man who won the pulitzer prize, who may be the great

conservative mind of our time, that donald trump called a, i think, quote, dummy. with all this talk this weekend and this desperate, desperate move towards a civil war if they lose at the ballot box, i went back and reread peggy noonan, charles, "conservative mind," and i will tell you, for people trying to find the structure to vote for this man, you cannot find it. you cannot find it in 240 years of conservative writing. you cannot find that justification for any writing before donald trump's lies and

the right's capitulation to him. charles wrote in his introduction to "things that matter," and explaining why he stopped being a psychiatrist and began writing columns. "in the end, everything lives and dies by politics. you can have the most advanced of cultures, get your politics wrong, and everything stands to get swept away. and everything stands to get swept away." he concludes by saying, "this is not ancient history. this is germany 1933." the point applies even if this is not germany 1933. the point applies if this is something not as savage as germany 1933, but simply an

autocrat who decides to be a dictator day one. who decides to arrest all those who he doesn't like. to take news networks off the tv, as he said he would do, if they're not supportive of him. who talked about assassinating generals who aren't sufficiently loyal to him. has complained to his chief of staff that his generals should be more like hitler's generals. of course, hitler's generals tried to kill adolf hitler, but donald trump didn't know history, so he didn't know that. whose own lawyer said in court, he could use s.e.a.l. team six to assassinate, to assassinate political rivals. if he were president of the united states, he could not be arrested. nothing, nothing, nothing conservative about this. i really do wish anybody that

would try to justify a vote for donald trump, i really do wish they'd just read the introduction to russell kirk, a conservative mind, seventh edition. i'll read one line here. "to general principles in politics, the conservative subscribes, these are principles arrived at by convention and compromise. these are principles arrived at by convention and compromise. tested by long experience and applied with prudence." applied with prudence. and for those who would say, how could david french, how could liz cheney, how could hundreds

of people who voted and worked for ronald reagan, george h.w. bush, and george w. bush, and, yes, for donald trump, how can they vote for kamala harris? this is what russell kirk writes at the end of the introduction. "both the impulse to improve and the impulse to conserve are necessary to the healthy functioning of our society. whether we join our energies to the party of progress or the party of permanence must depend upon the circumstances of our time." and to add to this, the fact that charles krauthammer, all the way back to edmund burke, has written about how tyrants, dictators, and radicals can tear

down, in one day, institutions that took centuries to build up by compromise, convention, and prudence. less than a month from now, there is a clear choice. and we saw yesterday -- we all watched football this weekend. well, i had a wonderful time this weekend. sometimes things come at us so quickly that we're numbed by it. newspapers certainly numbed by it. people in tv that follow this every day numbed by it. everybody is numbed by it. but mark this weekend on your calendar. this is the weekend that donald trump spread the virus in the heads of all of his supporters, as did his family, as did his vice presidential candidate, that democrats plotted to assassinate him. john heilemann, if there has

been a more dangerous, dangerous political strategy in the final month of a presidential campaign, i certainly can't even begin to imagine when it was or what it was. tell us just how dangerous this new territory is, that donald trump, vance, and his family have put us as a nation. >> it's pretty dangerous, joe. i struggle for the right superlatives. this has been coming for a while, right? this is not the first time that donald trump -- he maybe was more direct about it this weekend than he's ever been himself. jd vance and others in his orbit have been advancing this claim now for, well, really since the assassination attempt in butler. it was within a few hours of the shot being taken and him being

hit in the ear that the rhetoric started. if you went back and looked at what jd vance, some others on twitter and in some television interviews are saying, literally that day, that was where the virus, the mind virus first germinated, i suppose you'd say, in the maga lab. it's now -- it was a while where trump did not, himself, personally endorse that view. it was inevitable, i would say, that he would come to that view. sadly inevitable. but it puts so much of the lie to the notion that, somehow, the left, democrats, kamala harris, others, are the ones who are germinating political discord and division and dangerous incitement of violence in the country. you just can't listen to the

things that were said this weekend and not reach the conclusion that some people, and maybe many of the most important people right now in the republican party, are not merely campaigning on division and hatred, but are, in fact, actively rooting for and inciting a split, you know, a division in the country. as you said, there are people in the conservative ecosystem who now have been very explicit about wanting that. it is, i think, obvious where the republican ticket now, what they imagine happening and what they are preparing for in the wake of a possibility that they lose this election on november 5th. i'm not a very fearful person. i'm nervous about what that will look like.

>> i am not a catastrophizer. obviously, like everybody, i am concerned about where this country is going. but this is something to be concerned about and, as you said, it's germinated for quite some time. you have the presidential candidate, the vice presidential candidate, members of his family, the most popular hosts on the most popular right-wing network suggesting this. basically calling for civil war. calling for civil war. jonathan lemire, in past lives, political lives, when people actually, in the republican party, looked up to charles krauthammer, followed charles krauthammer's wisdom, actually believed what burke said and

kirk said, in past lifetime, there would be a rush of republicans who work with democrats every day, whether it's bringing hurricane relief on the ground in north carolina or trying to put a bipartisan bill together in washington, d.c., for the betterment of americans, in the past, republicans would rush forward and condemn this type of talk. i wonder today, how many republicans will want to distance themselves from a presidential candidate that is saying people they work with every day for the betterment of americans are trying to assassinate a political rival. >> it is a small number, joe. perhaps liz cheney, mitt romney, perhaps a few others, but most republicans will keep their mouths shut. they won't say anything publicly because this is not the republican party of the conservative intellectual

heavyweights anymore. it's not. it is donald trump's party, at least for the time being. it is thoroughly his party. let's do a little fact-checking here. law enforcement has said there was no known motivation for the shooter in butler county, pennsylvania. no known political ideology there. it remains a bit of a mystery as to why he did what he did. he, of course, now dead. we also know that in the immediate aftermath of the shooting, president biden, vice president harris, other top democrats immediately condemned it. biden, throughout his entire political career and time in the white house, especially this time around, spoke out against political violence, saying it has no place in our culture. yet, it's the republican side that not only inspired violence before, january 6th, but their rhetoric suggests they're trying to do so again. we know from the vp debate, jd

vance refused to say trump lost in 2020 and may do it again. trump said he thought his political enemies, ie, democrats, were more dangerous to our nation than our outside forces and adversaries, vladimir putin, kim jong-un, and the rest. suggesting that his political rivals are traitors and are un-american. >> we've seen this sentiment growing in american politics for a while. i mean, over the course of the last decade, the number of republicans who believe that democrats represent a threat to national security has grown a lot. the number of democrats who believe that republicans represent a threat to national security has also grown. but what's new in the equation, i keep thinking back to the book, "how democracies die."

they talk about the two things that are needed for democracies to die in countries that have been democratic. one is the demonization of the other, of a minority group, and the normalization of the rhetoric of violence, political violence. that's where we've seen a ratcheting up of that. ever since the 2016 election, but even back in 2020, 2022, it grew. now, with this rally, i think, in butler, we're really seeing that at a new level. they tried to kill us. in a country with so many guns, it doesn't take much. perhaps it's not a huge leap of imagination, in communities where donald trump were to lose, would see this as a reason, giving them permission, if you'd like, to take out some kind of vengeance of people who didn't vote for him and didn't support him. >> another great example of the normalization of violence is january 6th and the riot at the capitol and the former president

planning to pardon the people convicted of crimes on that day. >> and most republicans saying -- >> standing by. >> -- that january 6th was much to do about nothing. >> singing in the choir. >> they weren't that way after january 6th. they weren't that way even three, four, five, six months after. but so many republicans have allowed themselves to be conditioned to believe that january 6th was much to do about nothing. we showed you, and speaking of vanderbilt, we have willie geist coming up, but we showed you the vanderbilt survey last week that showed that people that support donald trump consider themselves self-identified maga voters, 54% of them think that vladimir putin is doing a good job as president. only 18% joe biden. when asked who was doing a better job as president, vladimir putin or joe biden. that's just how twisted the republican party has gotten in knots in this personality cult

that is just getting increasingly dangerous. you know, again, final quote from charles krauthammer for this morning, "politics is the mote, the walls beyond which are the barbarians. fail to keep them at bay, and everything burns." now, that could be barbarians on the far right, could be barbarians on the far left, trying to separate american from its history. trying to apply this universal guilt to entire groups of people. but even that, unless it's a calling for violence, even that is not as dangerous right now as a presidential candidate saying the other party is trying to kill him. we are in new territory here, and it's dangerous. >> yes, we are. we'll have more in a moment on this extremely dangerous time in our country's politics.

we'll get sam stein into the conversation. also ahead, israel marking one year of the deadly hamas terrorist attack. we'll take a look back at all that has happened since, and the battles israel is now facing on multiple fronts. plus, we'll debunk the lies donald trump and his allies continue to spread about the biden administration's effort to help those impacted by hurricane helene. >> and we really don't have to debunk it because republican governors and senators and mayors and local officials are all saying donald trump is simply lying. but you knew that. we'll be right back. i know about 20 of you, and you're rich as hell. we're going to give you tax cuts. i'm not rich as hell. i'm the one that really needs the break, not the people that are already rich and have the money. the 1% don't serve anybody but themselves. so for them to get a tax break, no, that's not cool. kamala harris is going to make billionaires pay

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don't take me. that was it. that was the last time i heard from them. >> so in this moment, we must be crystal clear, we stand with israel. we stand with israel. >> they said, gee, i hope hezbollah doesn't attack from the north, because that's the most vulnerable spot. i said, wait a minute. you know hezbollah is very smart. they're all very smart. the press doesn't like when i say that. [ horns honking ] >> under armed guard, hamas handed over 11 hostages, two women and nine children, to the red cross last night, including two 3-year-old twin girls. [ bombs exploding ] >> as israel defends itself, it

matters how. the united states is unequivocal. international humanitarian law must be respected. too many innocent palestinians have been killed. >> celebrations on the streets of tehran, even as the israeli war cabinet meets today to consider what any retaliation could look like, after its military neutralized hundreds of iranian drones and missiles. >> new york's columbia university tonight again a flash point in the rise in anti-semitism on college campuses. as pro-palestinian protests continue across the country and jewish students report being targeted or feeling unsafe. >> in the middle east, iran's axis of terror confronts america, israel, and our arab friends. this is not a clash of civilizations. it's a clash between barbarism and civilization.

[ applause ] [ crowd chanting "bring them home" ]. >> tonight, thousands rallying outside israel's defense ministry as the largest protests since the start of the war surge on. public fury mounting over hamas' murder of these six young hostages, and the israeli government's failure to bring them back alive. >> under the ruins of beirut, hezbollah's slain leader, nasrallah, killed in a series of huge explosions. it dealt a body blow to regional politics. >> sam stein, absolutely tragic year. starting october the 7th.

the worst slaughter -- let's underline this because this is how this year began. there are some people that want to talk about the year and actually gloss over how it began. that would be like talking about world war ii in 1943 and somehow forgetting about pearl harbor. but a year ago today, the worst slaughter of jews since the holocaust. and since that time, hamas knew, and we said it here, i knew it the second i saw it, hamas knew exactly what they were going to do. they were going to slaughter jews. they were going to hide behind civilians. and their attitude was, and we've said it from day one, that if you kill a jew, that's a good day. but if palestinians are killed, that's a great day.

because they knew how the west would respond. they knew how the world would respond. and so all of that has happened. and i've got to say, sam, the question a year later that israel will not answer, specifically israel's government that netanyahu will not answer, is how could it be that the mossad, how could it be that the idf could make pagers blow up simultaneously, can have everything planned, their attacks against hezbollah so ruthlessly planned over the years. >> precision. >> with precision. yet, on october the 7th, after warnings, especially from women in the government, that hamas was going to attack israel, they had the plan for a year, netanyahu still going to qatar, demanding that they give hamas hundreds of millions of dollars

through the years. donald trump and netanyahu, knowing where hamas' illicit funding came from in 2018 and refusing to do anything. question still after all this time is, how did it happen, and how will women, grandparents, survivors of the holocaust, left for hours, waiting for their own government to protect them from hamas terrorists? again, a year later, the question remains, in a year later, the tragedy of october 7th hangs over all of this. >> right. well, there's another question, too. that is, how does this end? i remember there was an interview with netanyahu just weeks after the tragic attack on october 7th, where they were talking about, well, if you go into gaza, what comes next?

if you refuse to allow the palestinian authority to take over political operations in gaza, what comes next? there wasn't an answer then. frankly, there isn't an answer now. it's not to say the war's objectives have been wrought or bad. obviously, you have to respond to an attack like that. you have to, as a state, take out the threats for an attack like that happening in the future. to a degree, netanyahu has done that. but the long-term strategy here remains complicated and kind of invisible in a way. let me separate that, the politics, and let me talk a little bit about the personal, too. which is watching that video, it's hard to believe it's been a year. it's difficult to relive that day. i remember, i have not been to services in a long time. i went a week after october 7th because i just felt compelled to go back. this sparked a huge, you know,

existential question within the jewish community about what it is to be a proud jew, right? what it is to celebrate your judaism, and what it is to openly celebrate your judaism. i was at a service where they talked about that. can you be proudly jewish anymore? part is the war, and part of it is because the world is filled with anti-semitic behavior. there is a presidential candidate who says if he loses, the jews will be to blame. these questions have been compounded over the past year, not solved. grappling with that, grappling with what october 7th exposed about us as a civilization, humanity, and also what it exposed about the israeli government has been tricky. obviously a year on, we have this reflection point, and i still don't think we have these answers, which is making it incredibly frustrating, too.

>> what sam is demonstrating this morning is something we've not had nearly enough of over the last year, and that's empathy and reflection and an ability to hold in your heart that two things can be true at once. the awful suffering of october the 7th and the awful suffering of palestinians in gaza. there's been a distressing lack of that ability over the course of the last year, and it's lovely to hear sam talk about that. the concern i have as we mark this awful anniversary is, it reminds me of what the white house said to bibi netanyahu straight after october 7th, which is, don't act in anger. don't rush to do things that you may not be able to complete or may lead to disaster. of course, the memory was of america after 9/11. that moment where we thought it was possible to kind of remake the middle east by force of

will. i hear echoes of that today, that, somehow, israel is at a moment where there is a once in a generation opportunity to impose its will through military force on the middle east and remake the region. but all of us can look back to the invasion of iraq and realize that, actually, what happened was a middle east that was less stable, less secure. if israel's aim is an area of the world in which it is safe, if that's the strategy, at the moment, it is having tactical victories, clearly, against iran, but i don't know that it is closer to its strategy of making itself safer. >> well, and you can talk about exactly what we were all saying in america in 2003. 70% of americans supporting an invasion into iraq. the majority of senators supporting that invasion, more so than supported the first gulf war. tactical success, just almost

record speed going into baghdad. and then the most horrific of quagmires. you can also look, of course, katty, at lebanon 1982. again, the idf goes into lebanon. they have overwhelming fire power, like they have right now. and they are stuck, as david ignatius, a young david ignatius saw up close, they're stuck in a hellish quagmire. now, i'm not saying the united states wouldn't respond the same way. i always said if mexico fired three missiles at the united states, in texas, our troops would be in mexico city by nightfall. so i'm not saying that the united states would show any more restraint. i'm just saying, katty, for those who believe this is the time they can remake the map of the middle east, history

suggests that, well, it doesn't repeat itself. but in the middle east, it has been rhyming for 3,000 years. i'm curious, katty, who really believes that this attack, this invasion, this regional war against iran is going to change things. yes, we all -- i think we all understand them going after hamas with a vengeance and them going after hezbollah. but starting a regional war with iran, do they really believe they can remake the middle east? >> i mean, there are many questions that bibi netanyahu has failed to answer since october the 7th. the failure of intelligence. the failure of the troops to get to the kabbutz quicker than they did. the failures to agree to a cease-fire agreement. but hanging over all of that is

the fact that he will not address the question of what the political strategy is. he seems to go from military endeavor to military endeavor to tactical endeavor to tactical endeavor. some have gone better for him than others, in order to extend his political lifeline. because answering the political question he cannot do and will not do. unfortunately, the country that may be able to impose some sort of or negotiate a political settlement, the only party in the world who could have gotten the paries together and was close to doing so over the attack on october 7th, was the united states. and the united states had little leverage with the government of netanyahu. >> despite the fact that the united states has gotten sunni-i

arab neighbors to help with peacekeeping, yet, it continues. mika, i think it is fair to ask of benjamin netanyahu, you think you can redraw the map of the middle east? with a regional war, you can think you can rewrite 3,000 years of history, but you can't even protect people in your own country. you can't even help women being raped and grandmothers being burned alive 12 hours after the attack begins in your own country. >> funded the perpetratperpetra >> after benjamin netanyahu told qatar to continue funding the rapists, the murderers, and those who committed the worst atrocities against jews since the holocaust. >> we're going to get a live report from israel for a look at

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get xfinity streamsaver with netflix, apple tv+, and peacock included, for only $15 a month. what an invest. they've made in diego, this attitude, this program, and the biggest win on the west end. vanderbilt takes down number one alabama! >> final moments. look for willie geist on the field there. one of the most shocking wins in recent college football history. saturday, vandy takes down top-ranked alabama crimson tide. >> incredible. >> 40-35. >> for alabama fans, it wasn't a fluke. they outplayed us beginning to end. let's bring in paul finebaum.

and the host of "pablo torre finds out," contributor pablo torre. paul, let's begin with you. as an alabama fan, you take the final two quarters of the georgia game and the four quarters of the vandy game, i have not seen a defense play for alabama so badly in over 60s -- 20 years. we were outcoached. they knew what they were doing before we knew what they were doing. >> lowers his shoulder. >> joe, a week ago, i was drunk with enthusiasm over kalen deboer, and you stopped me. i haven't forgotten that, and i thought about that saturday afternoon watching this game in nashville. what was so interesting, as big of an upset as it appeared, and it really was, vanderbilt didn't even know how to act. instead of running and jumping over the fence to tear down the

goalposts, they were tiptoeing down the steps. the reason for that is vanderbilt hasn't beaten alabama in nashville since 1969. hasn't beaten alabama since 1984. if you're under 40 years of age, as an alabama fan, you've never lost to vanderbilt. i want to explain to the audience. losing to vanderbilt is not like losing to anyone else in the s.e.c. vanderbilt is the perennial door mat. willie may get upset about this, and i don't really care, by you don't lose to vapidvanderbilt. if you're alabama, it's not in the lexicon. it's forbidden. that's why kalen deboer is in a mess right now. he's not even seven games into his tenure at alabama, and the saban era is over, and a lot of people are wondering, who is that guy coaching us right now? >> well, it happens so rarely. i remember in 1984, walking

around a half empty denny's stadium, i think it was bryant denny then. >> yeah. >> when they beat us in '84. i couldn't believe for a very long time. i will tell you, again, pablo, the thing about this, we talked about alabama's shortcomings. let's talk about what vandy did right. >> yes. >> again, they beat us beginning to end. their offense dominated our defense beginning to end. and with a quarterback, again, who always said he wanted to be like johnny manziel. let me tell you, there was a touchdown that was called back. i said, oh, my god, this guy not only looks like johnny manziel, there's some patrick mahomes in him. you know, when he was twisting around, and the screen pass goes to the side, guy scores a

touchdown. ultimately called back. but this isn't just a game alabama lost. make no mistake, this is a game that vandy won. >> yeah, vandy had over twice the time of possession that alabama had in this game. this was, start to finish, a thing that made me think of everybody actually on this show. paul is getting calls. i cannot wait for the callers, just to point this all out. diego pavia, the quarterback in question, isn't just a guy who beat alabama last year at new mexico state, he beat auburn. he owns the state of alabama as a concept at this point. when vanderbilt gets this kid, gets his offensive coordinator from new mexico, and they have this offense that has a plan and has the talent to execute that plan and execute upsets, this is -- i mean, look, i came in wanting to laugh about how this is the washington generals beating the harlem globetrotters. >> it is. >> but when you watch these

plays, man, when you watch the plays, the fighting willie geist, this was not close. i mean, it just wasn't clearly as close as you'd think an upset to require. by the way, they form an ant colony and bring -- they literally move the goalposts three miles. three miles to throw it into a river. incredible day at nashville. historical day in nashville. >> let's make no mistake about it, they dominated from beginning to end. jon meacham likened it to the president of the science club taking the homecoming queen to prom. except in this case, the president of the science club was 6'5" and, you know, had a body like -- a face like brad pitt, body like schwarzenegger. paul, i'm sure you've already heard it. we talked about how this vandy team, they had a great coaching scheme. had a quarterback who, again,

reminded me of the johnny manziel that beat us in 2012. this is the same quarterback, coaching staff, and the same vandy team that lost to georgia southern this year. there's no place to hide if you're the alabama coaching staff. especially the defensive coordinator. >> joe, there's a lot of aspects of this. this is the new era of the transfer portal, where vandy can get a good quarterback. >> yes. >> but what's so interesting about this, you can't talk about alabama without talking about nick saban. but two weeks ago, nick saban was on espn, and he said the only place in the s.e.c. that's easy to play, of the 16 schools, is vanderbilt. guess what? vanderbilt clipped that tape, played it repeatedly, and, you know, saban always used to talk about the rat poison. i know you can't blame nick saban for everything, but in

some ways, nick saban aided and abetted vanderbilt in this win over his former team by giving them that juice. it's a cliche to say every game is a tough one. we all get sick of that. but in this case, alabama beat georgia. it's one of the greatest wins we've ever seen. and they just took the week off. i know their coaching staff will dispute that, but this is a different era now. kalen deboer is a great offensive mind, but he is not this hard-core, disciplindiscip. players were giving interviews. he was giving interviews. they got gut punched, as everyone said. it wasn't close. it was only close at the end because alabama's offense was so good. but the defense, joe, does alabama have a defense? >> that's one of the things, paul. by the way, i once again will distance myself from your attacks on nick saban, but i understand. >> it's his fault! >> i remember, you know, as paul said, i was the one telling

alabama, you're losers. go after nick saban, right? >> you were. >> the end of the first year, paul calls me up. he says, "why don't you come on my show?" we were 6-6 saban's first year. he goes, "joe, do you think you're right about nick saban? 6-6 this year." old habits die hard. but i will tell you, paul, what i was thinking during this game when we were dominated so badly. i get so tired of people saying, oh, alabama got this five-star player and this five-star player and this four-star cornerback and this five-star linebacker. we're in an age of parody. in this case, man, the team of superstars were just dominated beginning to end by vanderbilt. the funny thing is, the game wasn't as close as the score, was it? >> no. joe, one more thing if you're trying to figure out this new cfp path to get to the playoffs,

alabama had four -- has four road games this year in the s.e.c. vanderbilt was the easiest of the road games. they have to go to knoxville in two weeks, another team that was upset. they go to lsu and go to oklahoma. if you were buying your rose bowl tickets again, joe, beware. a week ago, it was a lock. today, it's a long way from alabama getting back into the playoffs. >> it is also a long season. you know, nick saban won six national championships, five of them had a loss attached to them, i believe. four or five of them did. >> five. >> five of the six. we can survive a loss, especially this year. but, man, they've got to figure out how to play defense. espn's paul finebaum, thank you so much. good job today. it'll be rough. >> are we talking about the mets? >> well, we can talk about the mets. you don't want to talk about the

mets this morning. but, pablo, a lot to talk about in the nfl. you talk about parody, you never know what's going to happen. i will say, last night, i found myself in a strange position of actually rooting for dak. man, he had a rough night. ceedee lamb once again goes off. what is wrong with that guy? he is basically a franchise player. he keeps calling out his quarterback on the sideline, at the very time he needs to go over, put his arm around him, and go, "we'll get them, man. you're great. stick with it." >> none of this felt like a win, though it was a win. it was delayed 90 minutes because of weather. it was ugly, a slog in the most classic sense. nobody felt good about what was happening. dallas fans were ready to seemingly jump off the bandwagon mostly abandoned by the nation at this point. but they eke out this win. of course, this is in spite of a couple of picks for dak. in spite of a fumble. in spite of red zone turnovers.

you're right, joe, if you're looking at the sideline, i don't want to just play bodylanguage doctor here, but who has confidence in this team who is on this team? it's one thing for me to laugh at how the cowboys are cowboys-ing. but when you look at how this team is carrying itself, you're right. the ceedee lamb and dak prescott thing, it makes you feel bad, somehow, for the highest paid quarterback in the history of the nfl. >> exactly. >> not something you should necessarily feel, but we do. >> yeah, we do. $55 million plus. we're feeling sorry for dak. we've only got about a minute left, but i'll name two quarterbacks who had two great days, one in a winning effort, another in a losing effort. jd daniels. come on, the commanders, incredible. also, grateful to see joe burrow, as a fan, have a great day, even in a losing effort. >> excellent. never had doubts about him, even

a slow comeback after an injury. jayden daniels having the greatest rookie season. this comes up often, against deshaun watson. for people who don't remember how this went, the worst trade in the history of the nfl. the most morally compromised transaction in the history of the nfl. the most uncuttable -- >> worst than the herschel walker trade. the worst ever in every way. >> yes. six draft picks, three first rounders. theying this guy nine figures. dead cap hits. if they cut him -- so will they pull the plug? they cannot. what can they do is bench him. they should bench him. every time they watch deshaun watson play against, let alone jayden daniels, any quarterback, but think of what they gave up to get wwatson, which is wild o

its own. >> pablo torre, thank you. we'll talk to pablo later this week. >> talking playoffs. thank you, pablo. back to politics now. it is the top of the second hour of "morning joe." let's talk about the donald trump rally on saturday. where he and his allies flat out accused democrats of trying to kill him. >> over the past eight years, those who want to stop us from achieving this future have slandered me, impeached me, indicted me, tried to throw me off the ballot, and, who knows, maybe even tried to kill me. i always say there's an enemy from within. there's an outside enemy. if you're smart, the outside enemy is not going to be a problem. russia, china, north korea, we're not going to have a problem if you have a smart president. if you have not such a smart president, then it's a problem. but we have an enemy from within

which i think is much more dangerous than the outside enemy. >> first, they tried to silence him. when that didn't work, they tried to bankrupt him. when that didn't work, they tried to jail him. and with all the hatred they have spewed at president trump, it was only a matter of time before somebody tried to kill him. >> then, guys, they tried to kill him. they tried to kill him. and it's because the democratic party, they can't do anything right. they can't do anything right. you see it this week in the fema response in north carolina. and in georgia and in south carolina and in florida. >> this is a pivotal moment for our country. and i don't even have to tell anybody that here. we can all feel it. this is no longer a fight between republican versus democrat, left versus right. it is good versus evil. and good is going to win this

battle, ladies and gentlemen. >> we have jonathan lemire, sam stein, katty kay, john heilemann still with us. let's bring into the conversation the host of the podcast "on brand with donny deutsch" and national editor of "the financial times," ed loose. ed, you were fortunate to miss this last hour, i was quoting edmund burke and russell kirk, quoting the great charles krauthammer, and just showing how far from the genius of conservatism, burkian conservative, this republican party has become. no republican today will call out their nominee, who along with his vice president and members of his family, is using the most vile, most dangerous, most provocative call to a political civil war we've ever seen in american politics. can you even begin, can you even begin to put this into perspective for us, about how dangerous that rhetoric this weekend was? >> i mean, it's hard to

overstate how dangerous it was and will continue to be. for the next four weeks. this good versus evil rhetoric and framing that they're using is, of course, going to encourage more violence. makes it much, much easier for people to do what elon musk and others have done with his site. by the way, if we're going to think of an analogy with the 1930s, elon musk is the henry ford of our time. >> yes. >> elon musk is the henry ford of our time. musk, of course, did speak, as well, at the rally, and said this could be, this trump doesn't win, the last election america ever has. so there is a projection going on here that is off the charts. they're essentially declaring their hand. when trump accuses you of something, it's a confession. that is a rule that i found

accurate over trump's political career. you know, i can't think of a better analogy than, i'm afraid to say, the 1930s. that's why the musk/ford analogy is really good. ford, of course, was pro-fascist. he was anti-semitic. he was a supporter of america first. trump is explicitly a rerun of the lindbergh candidacy. >> donny, we're now a month, less than a month until the election. donald trump, this was billed as a major rally. went back to butler county, the site of the assassination attempt. they paid tribute to what happened there before. then he went to a darker place with his rhetoric, as we have been playing all morning. it's not just un-american. he's suggesting that his political opponents are treasonous, they're conspiring against him. it is also setting the path, potentially, to more violence.

we know what his words inspired before. we can all look to january 6th at one example. they seem to be sort of greecing greasing the wheels to have this happen again, creating a permission structures for his supporters, if trump isn't the victor, to be violent again. >> i rarely agree with lara trump, but this election is about good and evil. she just has it reversed, where the food and evil is. the table is being set. the day after election day will be sobering, one way or the other. if donald trump wins, it's going to be extremely sobering. even if kamala harris wins, it'll be sobering. because the streets are going to be flooded. you see it. i mean, it is being set up. i don't think there's any gray areas here. for trump to have gotten up there and say that the democrats were responsible, when we know for a fact that the lone assassin voted for trump before, his family had trump signs in their backyard, is disgusting,

vile, and just dangerous. elon musk i find to be like a bond villain. one of the most dangerous characters to come along. the richest guy in the world that controls a major social media platform. to get up there and actually say donald trump is the one who is going to save democracy. the thought that that guy could be in donald trump's pocket is just terrifying. >> well, by the way, i'm not sure it's the first assassin voted for -- attempted assassin voted for donald trump or not. we know that the second guy that was at the golf course who was planning an assassination actually said he voted for him in 2016. >> i mixed them up. i'm sorry. my bad. >> so what we have, though, here is, again, we have this vile political punch line that donald

trump, vice president nominee, andmembers were getting at. but the recurring theme about everything donald trump says, it's wrong. the lies we have seen over the past week, so many lies. let's just focus in on three. lies about the 2020 election. donald trump continues to lie about it. jd vance continues to lie about it. won't answer questions and then is chased down and says he did win. then you have lies from so many other people. despite the fact that republican officials in georgia, the governor, the secretary of state, republican officials in pennsylvania, republican officials in michigan, republican officials in arizona, in all the swing states saying donald trump lost. yet, four years later, still undermining american democracy and telling all of his supporters, we got robbed. >> yeah. >> then lying about dogs and

cats being eaten by immigrants in ohio. >> legal migrants. >> legal migrants. >> legal. >> even when the governor, the republican governor, the lifelong republican governor, who was the republican senator before and now is a two-term republican governor, is saying that's a lie. and asking vance, an ohio senator, to stop lying about his own constituents and making their lives more dangerous. then the lie, john heilemann, about democrats trying to kill donald trump. democrats trying to kill donald trump. again, as a vile political punch line that all but invites trump supporters to launch a civil war if he loses this campaign. >> like what happened on january 6th. >> we've seen this before.

it's more pronounced, more open, more dangerous, more vile. >> you know what they say, joe, about aging. you know, as we get older, we become more and more ourselves. we become ourselves in kind of like a fine reduction, down to the essence of what we are. you know, donald trump's time in public life has been defined by his lies. the most profitable liar, by far, to sit in the oval office, and they kept the running count in "the washington post." tens of thousands of lies he told when he was president of the united states. to expect him to not lie is obviously ridiculous. he's been someone whoviolence, violence since the earliest days of his campaign in 2015 and 2016. he would, as we've seen many times in the videos, you know, take that guy out on a stretcher, rile the crowd up. he's been directing violence of his crowds toward the press in

real time, to the point where people in the media have had to travel with security. none of these things are -- they are just the logical extension of what we know about him. sam stein, i guess i ask this question to you. you know, the one thing that's -- and we talked about this last hour. donny just said something about it. joe said something. i said something about it. we're all, rightfully, i think, concerned about the prospect of what could happen in the wake of a -- certainly in the wake of a contested election, and certainly in the wake of a harris victory, in terms of the way donald trump seems to be whipping up his supporters and fermenting political violence in advance. there is one fact, you know. we've seen it waning, the enthusiasm for trump. we noted this at the same time. he doesn't fill the arenas like he used to. when he called on his supporters to protest at the criminal court building here when he was on trial in new york, no one showed

up. and so the question i ask is, i think it is 100% right to be concerned about it because of what he's saying and what we've seen from his supporters in the past. but do you, on the base of what you see among reporters who report to you, what you've seen out in the field, and what we observed over the last couple years, is there a chance that the trump army just ain't what it's cracked up to be out there in the -- in what was thought of as the swelling maga faithful? is that a diminished force, and maybe trump makes the call, but there isn't anybody to answer it? >> you and joe, i think, last hour said you're not predisposed warriors. i am. i always think of the worst thing possibly happening. so, no, i don't care that sliver of optimism that you just tried to offer me there. yes, the crowds leave. he can't rile them up necessarily the same that he had. but this past couple days has really sort of unsettled me, in

that you can see the elements all there for something problematic. in particular, i've been sort of, not tickled, but disturbed by the ease by which these fake images from western carolina are popping up on the internet, and people are not just believing them, told they're fake, they leave them up because they say, well, it channels my anger at the government. his willingness to say that the government is responsible for all this calamity, when it is clearly not the case, and you have elected gop officials saying otherwise. the ease by which he and his family say that democrats are, in fact, responsible for the attempted assassinations. and the very well likelihood that, in the next couple weeks, it's just going to get worse, there's just going to be more disinformation circulating, that you have someone who runs one of the biggest social media platforms, elon musk, very much buying into this and spreading it himself. all that is just the horrible, horrible brew for our country and our society. i would add one other element to

it because i now work at the bulwark and we preach this stuff. but the other thing that is troubling, that we know and we've talked to a number of elected republican officials who feel the same way, right? they all know that this is problematic, troubling, that the disinformation is out there. in fact, trump lost on -- in the last election. yet, among the major elected officials who have been willing to not just say that they won't vote for trump but to pro proactively speak out and say we'll vote for harris, it's one or two. really just one, liz cheney. the fact that liz cheney is alone in this endeavor right now is, i think, indicative of part of the problem here. you have the elites, the republican elites and the ole gor olagarchs who know better but won't agree.

>> cheerful way to start the morning. ed luce, we have the laying of the groundwork for the election and what might happen afterward, basically to challenge the result of the election if donald trump loses. what are the things you're looking for that might change the nature of the race? i've had a long chat with somebody from the harris campaign last night, and you can sense the frustration that nothing is really shifting it. they seem less optimistic than they were a month ago. they feel that the race is tighter, at least that's what they're telling reporters, than it was a month ago. it's hard to see if there isn't another debate, what is the moment that could change the dynamic? >> it's a really good question. if you look at the number, clearly, the economy is always the most important thing for voters. if you look at the numbers, really good jobs report last week. the fed cutting interest rates and more to come. the fact that america is, by far, the strongest economy in

the developed world. and you look at things like the quite sharp decline in opioid deaths. various indicators going in the right direction. this shouldn't be such a close election. it's extraordinary that it is. it really is something i have to keep pinching myself, that this will go down to the wire. >> right. >> i think, though, that, you know, if you look at what could go wrong or right, i'd just point out two or three things. in terms of going wrong, look, the price of brent crude oil was $70. it's now $79 something because of the instability in the middle east, the lebanon and israel. if it strikes at iranian oil facilities, that could go up, the price of a barrel of oil could go up into the 90s.

it could hurdle toward $100. that would be bad news. it wouldn't qualify as an october surprise because it's easily foreseeable. but it would be bad news for consumers then in this country. i think that hurricane helene, potentially hurricane milton, i mean, what sam stein was saying is absolutely right. there's been extraordinary fake news. trump had something like six really whopping lies on this subject in the last week. there's an extraordinary amount of fake news out there about fema diverting resources to illegal migrants and paris -- harris overseeing it. if the narrative there isn't sort of won as it should be by the federal government, by the biden-harris administration, you know, that will damage them, too. but i think, you know, ultimately, this is going to come down to a referendum on

trump. harris, and i'm very pleased to see both harris and walz are doing a lot more media in order to drive that point home. i think they were a little bit too scarce and a little bit too much softballing for their first couple of months of their campaign. i'm very pleased to see things like tim walz appearing on fox and taking it to them. >> yes. >> the more of that, the better. >> absolutely. >> this will also be a referendum simply, quite simply, on the truth. >> yes. >> on the truth. you have donald trump who lied. you brought up the jobs numbers. donald trump just out and out lied about the job numbers. again, bringing up illegal immigrants. donald trump lied repeatedly, and the disinformation out there is staggering on hurricane relief efforts. republican senators and governors, i will repeat it, saying that, actually, the biden-harris administration is doing a really good job. they're working together to get

everything they need. things are going well right there. they're lying, of course, about the 2020 election still. trump and vance lying about that. they're lying repeatedly about so many other things. now, lying about democrats trying to kill him. >> in ways that will lead to violence if they're not careful. >> in ways that will lead to violence. yes, this is a referendum on the truth. these are all things that could very easily, if you go on your google machine, in 30 seconds -- that's one of the things that bothers me. i have to say, you know, i will have people who supported donald trump. they go, i'm so confused. i just see so much stuff, joe. i don't know what to do about it. why don't you do a quick google search? well, i don't trust it. you can't tell. where do you get your information? then they'll say they get it from a chinese religious cult's

website. or other conspiracy websites. get it from murdoch's "wall street journal." get it from murdoch's "wall street journal." get it from "the associated press." get it from different news sources. it's there. you can find it. you just don't want to find it. >> by the way, look at the behavior of this candidate. watch him. >> by the way, it's -- >> just watch him. >> -- lies about things big and small. i was slipping past his rally in wisconsin last night, along with the other lies, along with saying people in the audience would beat up kamala harris supporters, that it wouldn't be safe for them. i have to say, any other politician in the age when i was in politics, in the age before trump, you know, you would tell people in the audience, be respectful of those who may disagree with you. we need their vote. we need to bring people together. politics is about addition, not

subtraction. yet, the lies continue. even last night, you know, he was lying about, just throws it out, kamala harris wants to raise social security by five years, the age by five years. he just makes things up. again, this is a referendum on the truth. it's also a referendum on the american people. because they know these are lies or could easily know they're being lied to time and time and time and time again by donald trump. yes, all politicians, quote, are liars. that's what people say. politicians exaggerate. walz exaggerated. harris, at times, biden at times. you can go down the list. republicans and democrats. this is such a new level, and it is so dangerous. so it is a referendum on the truth, this election. it is a referendum on the american people, this election.

right now, jonathan lemire, there are democrats, you've reported, that are very concerned. even though this media blitz is coming up, they are very concerned that the harris-walz campaign is just not doing enough, as they believe so much is on the line over the next 30 days. >> this is the democratic story in politics the last couple weeks. rising fears the harris-walz campaign simply, as you say, was playing it too safe, trying to protect the lead that, frankly, polls suggest they don't even have. the race is tied. democrats urging them to do more. we posted a significant story this weekend on exactly that, and i can't tell you the number of texs i got afterward from democrats. yes, yes, this, and we need them to do more. this week, looks like they are. vice president harris sat with "60 minutes," airing tonight.

she does "the view," "late show with stephen colbert," "howard stern." tim walz was on fox over the weekend. he has high-profile appearances this week, as well. also, vice president harris heads out west as early voting begins in arizona and nevada. this is what democrats want to do, pedal to the metal. a month to go, you have to be everywhere. trump is everywhere. he is lying. he is lying dangerously. he's also got events each and every day. democrats want harris to do the same. the race is too tight. stakes are too high to do otherwise. that's what they say. >> all right. ed luce, thank you so much for coming on this morning. ahead on "morning joe," we'll speak with fema administrator deanne criswell on the cleanup for hurricane helene and preparations for milton. we mark the one-year anniversary of the deadly hamas terror attack. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.

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storm or a catastrophe or a hurricane that we've ever seen, ever. probably worse than katrina, and that's hard to beat, right? worse than katrina. they didn't do too good a job either, but this is worse. she sends their money to foreign nations. he and she, they send hundreds of billions of dollars -- [ crowd booing ] they send hundreds of billions of dollars to foreign nations. you know what they're giving our people? 750 bucks. >> everything you heard there was a lie. >> yeah. >> everything you heard there was wrong. i was on the ground just about every day after hurricane katrina. i can tell you, there is no comparison, mika. no comparison. because the government didn't come for quite some time after hurricane katrina. in this case, you have

republican leaders saying that donald trump is lying. the largest newspaper in north carolina said that donald trump's lies are making the tragedy of western carolina even worse. again, it's on donald trump's supporters to not just swallow his lies whole. because they're toxic lies. right now, they're hurting the people of western carolina. brian stelter, you played me a clip yesterday, talking to a congressman who said, people are hearing that. brian stelter said, yeah, it's all a lie. you heard donald trump go, they are saying. who is "they"? russian bots may be saying that. >> or him, just him. >> he may be saying that. people echoing his lies may be saying that. but, again, all lies. all lies.

all lies. first of all, is the media going to call this out the way "the charlotte observer" did? you know, kamala didn't do really well on her interview here. oh, and donald trump, he's been lying and making matters so much worse for the people suffering through helene in the carolinas and tried to flatten all of that out. >> the man who tossed paper towels at victims of a disease. here's what the republican governor of tennessee, bill lee, and republican senator tillis of north carolina had to say over the weekend about the storm response. >> very conservative. >> there's a lot of misinformation. in fact, there's some belief and understanding that may be coming from foreign sources just to confuse on the ground what's happening here. i saw a county mayor every single day with tears in their eyes, emotional, serving the people alongside their fema

counterparts in their eocs. there's nothing but commitment to serving the people of this state. those who spread that kind of misinformation, it's deeply unfortunate that that's happening. >> i've lived in north carolina for almost 30 years. i've seen a lot of storms come through this state. i'm actually impressed with how much attention was paid to a region that wasn't likely to have experienced the impact that they did. this is a new playbook. for anybody who thinks that any level of government, anybody here could have been prepared precisely for what we're dealing with here, clearly are clueless. they're doing a great job. they can always work harder. there's always kinks in the slinky. we're working them out behind the scenes. but we're here to show we're working together, and i'm proud of the effort that's been done now. >> the conservative governor of tennessee, very conservative governor of tennessee, saying fema is doing a great job. the conservative governor of

north carolina saying the same. they're doing a great job. donald trump lied. he kept lying. talked about them not helping georgia. the governor of georgia. again, republican, all republicans. i'm talking about all republicans here. saying that their nominee for president is a liar. as "the charlotte observer" is saying, making matters worse for the people suffering the most in north carolina. the lies continue from donald trump. joining us now from raleigh, north carolina, is fema administrator, deanne criswell. thank very much for joining us this morning. if you could update us on the recovery effort, are state and local officials across the board getting what they need? >> absolutely, mika. we have over 4,500 people on the ground that have been here since before the storm made landfall. working side by side with our state counterparts in the

communities with our local officials, and all i hear on the ground is gratefulness and compassion and a level of unity, to make sure we're getting people what they need. it's, frankly, disappointing that we're having to deal with this narrative. and the fact there are a few leaders having a hard time telling the difference between fact and fiction, it's creating an impedence to our ability to actually get people the help they need. >> you know, we had the governor of tennessee talk about the fact that some of this may be driven by foreign powers, lies from foreign governments to republicans, unfortunately, i'm sorry, presidential candidates are picking that up, others are picking that up, as well, and it is discouraging. but i want you to talk about, as senator tillis said, how unique

this situation is. i've been through far too many hurricanes as a florida resident. and the belief always was, the hurricane, the eye hits the land, it breaks apart. yes, you'll have some tornadoes, some flooding here or there, but nothing, nothing like what happened in western carolina. never seen this before in my life, all the years following hurricanes. talk about the levels of destruction that you've seen, the suffering from the people of western carolina. >> yeah, joe, i have led complex incidents, and this is certainly one of the most complex incidents i've seen. you know, when you talk about the hurricane and the eye and hitting landfall, you know, we can picture what happens on the coast of florida or louisiana when a hurricane hits. you have all of that destruction that's very visible. but the challenge here in

appalachia is we have all these valleys and topography that generates flash floods that come so fast. so with the rate of rainfall, the amount of rainfall, and exactly where it lands, it really creates a dynamic situation that moves quickly and gives people less time to get out of harm's way. so we have roads that have been cut off. we have people that live up in the hills that now have limited access. so us being able to ensure that we're meeting every person where they're at, delivering services, food and water to their doorstep, takes a lot of people to come in and walk those hills to make sure we're getting to them, so they don't have to figure out how to get to us. the amount of debris itself is just going to take a long time to clean up and to get this infrastructure operational, so people can get back to normalcy. >> madam administrator, as the

nation reels from that storm, another is on its way. hurricane milton just a short time ago upgraded to a category 3 storm. it is baring down on the florida gulf coast. can you give us an update, please, as to what people in its path should be doing and what your agency, how your agency is preparing for what could be another life-threatening storm? >> yeah. i mean, we've been watching this one very closely for several days before it even became a storm. i talked to desantis to understand what his concerns are. i assured we were moving in resources to prestage them, to be available, like our search and rescue assets, the army corps of engineers to help with stabilization for the generators that might need to be installed. what i'm hearing is that we also have a lot of people on the ground already. we have a full staff there supporting the response to hurricane helene. we also have a full staff that's in place supporting the recovery from the previous storms.

florida has been hit the last three years in a row with major hurricanes. we've already had staff on the ground, and they'll reposition themselves to support this. i'm going down to tampa this afternoon to meet with the mayor so i can better understand what her needs are as this storm comes in. what people need to know is that there's going to be storm surge. they need to listen to their local officials. they need to evacuate if they're told to do so. because these storms are bringing more water than they ever have. while we have the wind risk, it's the water that's killing people. please listen to your local officials. seek safety. >> fema administrator deanne criswell, thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. >> thanks, mika. >> we appreciate it. take care. coming up, we're going to get a live report from israel where the country is marking one year since the hamas terror attack. also ahead, "the new york times" is raising questions

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today marks the one year anniversary of the deadliest terrorist attack in israel. last year, hamas fighters stormed across the gaza border, rampaging communities in southern israel. they killed about 1,200 people and took more than 250 hostages. the biggest massacre happened in the desert, where thousands of people were attending the supernova music festival. 364 people were killed there. many others kidnapped. now, a year later, more than 100 people remain in captivity in gaza, including seven americans. it's believed more than 30 of those hostages are dead. joining us now, we have rabbi elliott cosgrove, a rabbi at park avenue synagogue in new york city, and wrote the book for "such a time as this" on being jewish today. also with us is rabbi matthew

gurirtz, a senior rabbi in short hills, new jersey. >> rabbi cosgrove, talking about "time such as this" for being jewish in israel, in america, across the world, the attacks on october 7th, the worst slaughter of jews since the holocaust would have been bad enough. but the anti-semitism unleashed on college campuses. the anti-semitism unleashed across america, across europe, across the world, made a tragic situation so much worse. i know you would agree with me that you can disagree with israel politically. i disagree with israel politically a great deal. but there is a big difference in disagreeing with the policies of israel and the type of anti-semitism that we saw across america, especially on some of our most elite college campuses.

>> october 7th was the face of evil revealed on this earth. it wasn't just a crime against israelis. it wasn't just a crime against jews. it was a crime against humanity. to fail to call it out as such is falling short of our moral obligations. so today really marks the day that there was the most vicious, the most brutal attack on jewish people since the holocaust, and it was a moment that not only israel felt isolated on the world stage but also american jewry felt isolated and marginalized. somehow, not just on october 7th itself, but october 8th, we found ourselves going from being victimized to being framed as the aggressors of the attack. so really, a sense of a feel of existential loneliness that extended from the attacks in israel right onto american shores. as you're saying, onto american

campuses, social media, and just thuggery on the streets. >> rabbi, i want to pick up on october 8th, where there was another tragedy that happened. we all felt it. instead of the world embracing us, the world was blaming us, somehow. somehow, we were an other. for the first time in my life, you know, i'd always heard, we'd all heard about the holocaust. it was 80 years ago. it was another time. for the first i know as a jew, and my family did and my friends, we felt horrible. we saw people ripping down signs. we know hate crimes have gone up dramatically against jews. we saw it happen on college campuses. and then today, a year later, the anniversary, there's going to be a flood march all over the city today with people holding signs about "from the river to the sea." we're going to allow that. what do you say to the members of your congregation when they come to you and say, for the first time in our lives, we

don't feel safe as jews? >> this is the holiest week for jews, between the new year and the day of atonement. now, we have this new solemn day that we have to mark, an ominous one that we'll mark for the rest of our lives. i sat on this set about three, four days after that a year ago, and i said, we are terrified but won't be paralyzed. terrified by what happened, the raping, decapitating, killing of babies. and elliott brought up the day after, as you did, as well, marches not in defense of us but calling us colonialists and impeerists, keeping us isolated, our friends being quiet. then this uptick of anti-semitism. broken window of jewish stores. my kids' high school having venom painted on the bathrooms. both of us have kids in the college campus. we had a call that said, don't be an idiot. your muscles are not big enough to deal with this alone. we are alone in ways we've

never, ever experienced. but the counterintuitive paradoxical part of it is we are experiencing a jewish renaissance, also. >> extraordinary. >> somehow, you see professionals leaving other fields to work for jewish non-profits. my synagogues went from high hundreds to high thousands. kids showing up for classes. people packing schools. people are saying if hamas is going to rip our masks off and make the whole world see we're going to be jewish, we're going to double down on who we are. we are showing up in ways we never have before. >> amen. >> you know, the hate the hate spewed towards jews didn't come even with the attacks on hamas in gaza, it came immediately after the october 7th attack, those claiming that this was

somehow israel trying to loot out hamas, cause anti-semitism or lying. interesting, we didn't see these people protesting when 500,000 arabs, muslims, killed in syria. rabbi -- rabbi, there has been, though, a positive coming together, has there not? i've been heartened at times not only to see how jewish men and women have responded to this, but also how others outside the faith have come together to understand the scourge of anti-semitism and actually stand up for their jewish friends, whether it's on campuses, whether it's in classrooms, whether it's in the workplace. >> yeah, i think it was great to be a jew on october 6, it's still great to be a jew today. i think what rabbi gerwitz, what

matt is saying is 100% true. on one hand we found ourselves being defined as the other. look, as long as jews have been jews all the way dating back to in egypt with pharaoh we were defined as the other, we were defined as somehow a threat a fifth column, something to be feared and, therefore, hated and, therefore, oppressed. >> you know, you were concerned, rabbi, were you not, by donald trump using the dual loyalty argument. >> i'm absolutely concerned about that and that's something i addressed ten days ago. if you are on the receiving end of a punch it doesn't matter if that punch is coming from a woke intersectional left or from a white nationalist right, the fist still hurts. as a rabbi it's my responsibility to call out anti-semitism or anyone who traffics in anti-semitism as a threat to my people. so for the former president to preemptively scapegoat the

jewish people is an argument that's both incoherent and, frankly, dangerous. so whether it comes from the left, whether it comes from the right, the very suggestion that somehow jews will be blamed should the election go this way or that way, i just think people of conscience needs to call that out. >> rabbis elliot cosgrove and matthew gerwitz, thank you both very much for coming on the show this morning. >> our prayers are with rabbi cosgrove who is richard haass' rabbi. peace like a river, rabbi. >> rabbi cosgrove's new book is entitled "for such a time as this: on being jewish today" and it is on sale now. thank you both very much for being on. joining us now from the site of the nova music festival massacre in southern israel is

nbc news international correspondent raf sanchez. raf, tell us what's happening there. >> reporter: mika, good morning. one year ago the october 7th attack began right here. there were some 3,000 people attending the nova music festival, most of them were young. this was a place of music, it was a place of 6:29 a.m. the attack began and not long coming from every direction, some 350 people whole site now vast memorial to them. their names, their faces, their memories are remembered here. and this morning at sunrise there was a memorial ceremony, it was attended by israel's president isaac herzog, and they played the last song that festivalgoers heard on october 7th before the music stopped and the shooting started.

now, we have been hearing shooting here today, it is coming from gaza, which is just two miles that way. the sounds of outgoing israeli artillery fire, we've seen israeli gun ships overhead. there are no memorial ceremonies in gaza, this is just another day of palestinian families trying to survive as this war drags on, some 41,000 people killed in gaza according to the hamas-run health ministry. around 17,000 of them are children. and, of course, with every passing day there are growing concerns for the hostages, some 40 hostages were kidnapped from this festival site alone, and one year on, almost unbelievably, around half of them are still being held in gaza. back to you. >> are you going to dee firsthand the terrorists? >> all right. nbc's raf sanchez, thank you very much. >> seriously, he's talking

about -- >> let us know he's okay, guys. >> he's talking about the slaughter of young people. >> is he okay? >> at a music festival, at a peace festival, and people are coming up and harassing him. as we go to break, a look at the cover of the jerusalem post this morning. you can see the front page is blank with only the date visible. october 7th, 2023. along with a caption one year on words still fail to capture this day. day. (tony hawk) skating for over 45 years has taken a toll on my body. i take qunol turmeric because it helps with healthy joints and inflammation support. why qunol? it has superior absorption compared to regular turmeric. qunol. the brand i trust.

is there anybody here that's going to vote for lying kamala? please raise your hand. please raise it. actually, i should say don't raise your hand, it would be very dangerous. we don't want to see anybody get hurt. please don't raise your hand.

former president trump in wisconsin yesterday flat out suggesting that his followers would physically harm those who support his political opponent. we're going to have more on his increasingly dangerous rhetoric one month now from the election. today also marks one year since the deadly attacks in israel, carried out by hamas terrorists, sparking a war in gaza that has no end in sight. we will look back at that dark day and get a live report from israel on the current situation there. meanwhile, donald trump continues to lie about the federal response to hurricane helene. >> well, entire networks continue to lie about it. republicans continue to lie about it. even when republican senators and governors from the states that are affected are actually calling donald trump a liar, actually calling republicans -- the state officials are calling them a liar, and north carolina's largest newspaper yesterday said that donald trump's lies are the last thing this battered region needs right

now. >> but he is ratcheting up on every level. >> every level. >> hatred and lies. it comes as the biden administration sends more desperately needed aid and resources to the areas hit the hardest. and more severe weather is likely to hit florida this week with hurricane milton expected to make landfall sometime later this week. a lot to get to. >> yesterday bill karins showed as that was just starting to develop, showed that tampa might once again be a bull's-eye and said something like he felt like crying. this is going to be -- this is a region already devastated, like north carolina, and another storm hitting this area. some of these places just completely wiped out. >> yeah. we're going to get to -- we have so much to get to this morning, plus sports news as well, a special guest for. >> you a special to "morning joe." it is monday, october 7th. with us we have the host of "way too early" jonathan lemire, u.s.

special correspondent for bbc news katty kay is with us, nbc news national affairs analyst and a partner and chief political columnist at puck john heilemann and managing editor at the bulwark, sam stein. good to have you all this morning. we will begin with former president trump who on saturday returned to the site of the first assassination attempt against him. now, during that rally in butler, pennsylvania, he and his allies accused democrats of trying to kill him. >> over the past eight years those who want to stop us from achieving this future have slandered me, impeached me, indicted me, tried to throw me off the ballot, and, who knows, maybe even tried to kill me. >> you know, i always say this, an enemy from within and there's an outside enemy, and if you are smart, the outside enemy is not

going to be a problem. russia, china, north korea, we're not going to have a problem when you have a smart president. if you have not such a smart president then it's a problem. but we have an enemy from within which i think is much more dangerous than the outside enemy. >> first, they tried to silence him. when that didn't work, they tried to bankrupt him. when that didn't work, they tried to jail him. and with all the hatred they have spewed at president trump, it was only a matter of time before somebody tried to kill him. >> and then, guys, they tried to kill him. they tried to kill him. and it's because the democratic party, they can't do anything right. they can't do anything right. you see it this week in the fema response in north carolina and in georgia and in south carolina and in florida. >> this is a pivotal moment for our country and i don't even have to tell anybody that here, we can all feel it. this is no longer a fight

between republican versus democrat, left versus right, it is good versus evil, and good is going to win this battle, ladies and gentlemen. >> the level of unamerican activity that you just saw is stunning. that is unamerican. they know they're lying. donald trump knows that's a lie. he will tell you that the secret service, he thought, did the best job they could do. the fact that j.d. vance and trump's family would out and out say what they said takes the threat of violence -- takes the

threat beyond where it was even leading up to january the 6th. this is an increasingly desperate person, an increasingly desperate family who is preparing for civil war. they just are. talking about they're trying to kill him, democrats are trying to kill him. this is -- and the lies. think about this. i saw part of donald trump's speech this weekend, it was remarkable the lies, not just on things -- but even on policy, he would just make up things and just throw it out there. i was shocked that the audience was really that stupid, to believe the crazy lies that he was throwing out there, but he does it so much. it is the falsehood, the

firehood of falsehoods, but they continue lying about 2020. vance continues lying about 2020. trump continues lying about 2020. senators will not say on sunday news shows that donald trump lost in 2020, despite the fact republican officials in every one of those states that mattered said that, yes, in fact, donald trump lost. brian kemp said it in georgia, republican officials said it in michigan, republican officials said it in pennsylvania. they said it in arizona. they have said it repeatedly. trump and vance lying about people of ohio eating dogs and cats, and yet the governor of ohio, the republican governor of ohio, lifelong republican, telling them to stop. that it is a lie. and now with the people of carolinas suffering in a way

that only those who have gone through tragic hurricanes, like hurricane katrina, hurricane camille and now this hurricane could imagine, donald trump, j.d. vance, eric trump, everyone else in the republican party, entire news channels, out and out lying about what's going on on the ground there. talking about civil war. it's staggering, just staggering, when you have republican governors from those states, republican senators from those states, republican mayors from those states, republican county commissioners from those states, republican officials from those states saying that they're doing great. in the tragic situation they are coordinating very well with the

federal government. shame on donald trump. show ""the charlotte observer"" headline, it's an editorial from the largest paper in the state of north carolina, shame on donald trump for worsening north carolina's tragedy with political lies. and now the lie about democrats trying to kill him. the lie about a person whose family had a trump sign in his front yard trying to kill him, or the person who voted for donald trump in 2016, the lie that they were somehow part of a federal government conspiracy. they can't run on the truth because they're losing on the truth. so the lies continue and the lies get more dangerous, increasingly desperate tactics. it's unbelievable. increasingly deranged talk.

increasingly dangerous provocation. and perhaps a provocation that is preparation for his loss at the ballot box and a call for civil war. and let me tell you, there are hosts, in fact, there is a specific host on another network, the most popular host from that network, that has called for civil war, that has said, let's stop trying to figure this out at the ballot box, let's move to civil war. >> great. >> does anything sound conservative about this? because i spent this weekend -- i spent this weekend going back through the books that i grew up on, not this one, this one came out in '13 it's charles krauthammer, who -- this is an extraordinary conservative, a

man that every conservative i respected just loved and respected. also a man who understood the danger of donald trump and warned about the danger of donald trump before he died. a man who won the pulitzer prize, who may be the great conservative mind of our time that donald trump called a, i think, quote dummy. with all this talk this weekend and this desperate, desperate move towards a civil war if they lose at the ballot box, i went back and i reread peggy noonan, charles krauthammer, the conservative mind by russell kirk and edmund burke and i will tell you for people that are trying to find the permission structure, who claim to be conservative and vote for this

man, you cannot find it. you cannot find it in 240 years of conservative writing. you cannot find that justification for any writing before donald trump's rise and the right's capitulation to him. charles krauthammer wrote in his introduction to "things that matter", explaining why he stopped being a psychiatrist and began writing columns, in the end everything lives and dies by politics. you can have the most advanced of cultures, get your politics wrong, and everything stands to get swept away. and everything stands to get swept away. krauthammer concludes by saying, this is not ancient history.

this is germany 1933. the point applies even if this is not germany 1933. the point applies if this is something not as savage as germany 1933, but simply an autocrat who decides to be a dictator on day one, who decides to arrest all those who he doesn't like, to take news networks off the tv as he said he would do if they're not supportive of him. who has talked about assassinating generals that aren't sufficiently loyal to him. has complained to his chief of staff that his generals should be more like hitler's generals. of course, hitler's generals tried to kill adolf hitler, but donald trump didn't know history so he didn't know that. whose own lawyer said in court

he could use s.e.a.l. team six to assassinate -- to assassinate -- political rivals and if he were president of the united states he could not be arrested. nothing -- nothing, nothing conservative about this. i really do wish anybody that would try to justify a vote for donald trump, i really do wish that they would just read the introduction to russell kirk, "conservative mind." i will just read one line. to general principles in politics the conservative subscribes. these are principles arrived at by convention and compromise. these are principles arrived at by convention and compromise. tested by long experience, and

applied with prudence. and applied with prudence. and for those who would say, how could david french, how could liz cheney, how could hundreds of people who voted and worked for ronald reagan, george h.w. bush and george w. bush and, yes, for donald trump, how could they vote for kamala harris? this is what russell kirk writes at the end of the introduction, both the impulse to improve and the impulse to conserve are necessary to the healthy functioning of our society. whether we join our energies to the party of progress or the party of permanence, must depend upon the circumstances of our

time. and add to this the fact that charles krauthammer, all the way back to edmund burke has written about how tyrants and dictators and radicals can tear down in one day institutions that took centuries to build up by compromise and convention and prudence. less than a month from now there is a clear choice and we saw yesterday the most -- we all watched football this weekend. we all had a wonderful time this weekend. sometimes things come at us so quickly that we're numbed by it. newspapers certainly numbed by it. people in tv that follow this every day are numbed by it. everybody is numbed by it. but mark this weekend on your calendar.

this is the weekend that donald trump spread the virus in the heads of all of his supporters, as did his family, as did his vice presidential candidate, that democrats plotted to assassinate him. john heilemann, if there's been a more dangerous, dangerous political strategy in the final month of a presidential campaign, i certainly can't even begin to imagine when it was or what it was. tell us just how dangerous this new territory is that donald trump, vance and his family have put us as a nation. >> it's pretty dangerous, joe. i struggle for the right superlatives. you know, this has been coming for a while, right? it's not -- this is not the first time that donald trump -- he maybe was more direct about

it this weekend than he has ever been himself. j.d. vance and others in his orbit have been advancing this claim now for -- well, really since the assassination attempt in butler, it was within -- within a few hours of the shot being taken and him being hit in the ear that the rhetoric started. and if you went back and looked at what j.d. vance and what others on twitter sand in some television interviews were saying literally that day, that was where the virus, the mind virus, first germinated, i suppose you would say in the maga lab. it's now -- it was a while where trump did not himself personally endorse that view. it was inevitable, i would say, that he would come to that view. sadly inevitable. but it gives -- it puts so much of the lie to the notion that

somehow the left, democrats, kamala harris, others, are the ones who are germinating political discord and division and dangerous incitement to violence in the country when you hear -- it's just you can't -- you can't listen to the things that are said this weekend and not reach the conclusion that some people, and maybe many of the most important people right now in the republican party, are not merely campaigning on division and hatred, but are, in fact, actively rooting for and inciting a split, you know, a division in the country, as you said, there are people in the conservative ecosystem that now have been very explicit about wanting that. it is, i think, obvious where the republican ticket now what

they imagine happening and what they are preparing for in the wake of a possibility that they lose this election on november 5th and i -- i'm not a very fearful person. i'm nervous about -- very nervous about what that will look like. >> yeah. >> i'm not a can a tsa catastrophizer. this is something as you said has germinated for quite some people. it's not some people in the republican party, you have the presidential candidate, vice presidential candidate, members of his family, the most popular host on the most popular right wing network suggesting this and basically calling for civil war. calling for civil war. and, jonathan lemire, in past lives, political lives, when

people actually -- the republican party looked up to charles krauthammer and followed charles krauthammer's wisdom, actually leave what burke said and kirk said, in past lifetimes there would be a rush of republicans who work with democrats every day, whether it's bringing hurricane relief on the ground in north carolina or trying to put a bipartisan bill together in washington, d.c. for the betterment of americans, in the past republicans would rush forward and condemn this type of talk. i wonder today how many republicans will want to distance themselves from a presidential candidate that is saying people they work with every day for the betterment of americans are trying to

assassinate a political rival. >> it is a very small number, joe, perhaps liz cheney, perhaps mitt romney, a few others but most republicans will keep their mouths shut. they won't say anything publicly because this is not the republican party of those conservative intellectual heavy weights anymore. it's simply not. it's donald trump's republican party, at least for the time being. it is thoroughly his party. we should note of course -- let's do a little fact checking here. law enforcement has said there was no known motivation for the shooter in butler county, pennsylvania. no known political ideology there. it remains a bit of a mystery as to why he did what he did. he, of course, now dead. we also know that in the immediate aftermath of that shooting president biden, vice president harris, other top democrats immediately condemned it and biden threw out his entire political career and particularly his time in the white house this time around has spoken out strongly on a near daily basis against political

violence saying it has no place in our culture, and yet it's the republican side that not only has inspired violence before, january 6, but their rhetoric suggests they're trying to do so again and we know in that vp debate j.d. vance once more refused to suggest that donald trump lost in 2020 and has refused to say he would certify a trump loss in 2024. coming up, reflections on the one-year anniversary of the october 7th terror attack in israel. we will talk about the impacts overseas and the rise of anti-semitism here at home. "morning joe" is back in a moment. here at home "morning joe" is back in a moment ♪♪ well would you look at that? jerry, you've got to see this. i've seen it. trust me, after 15 walks, it gets a little old. ugh. i really should be retired by now. wish i'd invested when i had the chance... to the moon! unbelievable.

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over the past eight years those who want to stop us from achieving this future have slandered me, impeached me, indicted me, tried to throw me off the ballot, and, who knows, maybe even tried to kill me. it's not just some people in the republican party, you have the presidential candidate, the vice presidential candidate, members of his family, the most popular host on the most popular right wing network suggesting this, and basically calling for civil war. calling for civil war. and, jonathan lemire, in past lives, political lives, when people actually -- the

republican party looked up to charles krauthammer and followed charles krauthammer's wisdom, actually believed what burke said and kirk said, in past lifetimes there would be a rush of republicans who work with democrats every day, whether it's bringing hurricane relief on the ground in north carolina or trying to put a bipartisan bill together in washington, d.c. for the betterment of americans. in the past republicans would rush forward and condemn this type of talk, and i wonder today how many republicans will want to distance themselves from a presidential candidate that is saying people they work with every day for the betterment of americans are trying to assassinate a political rival. >> it is a very small number, joe, perhaps liz cheney, perhaps

mitt romney, a few others, but most republicans will keep their mouths shut, they won't say anything publicly, because it does -- this is not the republican party of those conservative intellectual heavy weights anymore, it's simply not. it's donald trump's republican party, at least for the time being. it is thoroughly his party. we should note, of course, let's do a little fact checking here, law enforcement has said there was no known motivation for the shooter in butler county, pennsylvania. no known political ideology there. it remains a bit of a mystery as to why he did what he did. he, of course, now dead. we also know that in the immediate aftermath of that shooting president biden, vice president harris, other top democrats immediately condemned it and biden throughout his entire political career and particularly his time in the white house this time around has spoken out strongly on a near daily basis against political violence saying it has no place in our culture. and yet it's the republican side that not only has inspired violence before, january 6, but

their rhetoric suggests they're trying to do so again and we know in that vp debate j.d. vance, once more, refused to suggest that donald trump lost in 2020 and has refused to say he would certify a trump loss in 2024. katty, there's so much dangerous rhetoric here to go through, but one thing that struck us was at one moment trump said that he thought that his political enemies, i.e., democrats were more dangerous to our nation than our outside forces, our outside adversaries, vladimir putin, kim jong-un and the rest, suggesting that his -- his political rivals are traitors and are unamerican. >> and we've seen this sentiment growing in american politics for a while. i mean, over the course of the last decade the number of republicans who believe that democrats represent a threat to national security has grown a lot. the number of democrats who believe that republicans represent a threat to national

security has also grown. but what's new in the equation is -- i keep thinking back to that book "how democracies died" and they talk about the two things that are needed for democracies to die in countries that have been democratic and one is the demonization of the other, of any other group, of kind of a minority group and the normalization of the rhetoric of violence and political violence. and i think that's where we've seen a ratcheting up of that ever since the 2016 election, but even back in 2020, 2022022 grew and now with this rally in butler we're really seeing that at a new level of they tried to kill us. in a country with so many guns it doesn't take very much, people perhaps not a huge leap of imagination where communities if donald trump were to lose to see this as a reason, giving

them permission if you like to take out some kind of vengeance on people who didn't vote for and support him. coming up, a fixture in american politics just cast a vote for kamala harris, al cardenas explains why just ahead on "morning joe." cardenas explains why just ahead on "morning joe. here you go. is there anyway to get a better price on this? have you checked singlecare? before i pick up my prescription at the pharmacy, i always check the singlecare price. it's quick, easy, and totally free to use.

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today marks the one-year anniversary of the deadliest terrorist attack in israel when hamas fighters stormed across the gaza border, rampaging communities in southern israel. here is a look at what happened exactly one year ago and what

has transpired since. >> i could hear people speaking in arabic outside our door and they broke in and the last thing i heard was the youngest who is 12 saying to them, i'm too young, don't take me. and that was it. that was the last time i heard from them. >> so in this moment we must be crystal clear. we stand with israel. we stand with israel. >> they say, gee, i hope hezbollah doesn't attack from the north because that's the most vulnerable spot. i said, wait a minute, you know, hezbollah is very smart, they will all very smart. the press doesn't like when i

say that. >> under armed guard, hamas handed over 11 hostages, two women and nine children, to the red cross last night, including two 3-year-old twin girls. >> as israel defends itself, it matters how. the united states is unequivocal, international humanitarian law must be respected. too many innocent palestinians have been killed. >> celebrations on the streets of tehran, even as the israeli war cabinet meets today to consider what any retaliation could look like after its military neutralized hundreds of iranian drones and missiles. >> new york's columbia university tonight a flash point in the rise in anti-semitism on college campuses.

as pro-palestinian protests continue across the country, and jewish students report being targeted or feeling unsafe. >> in the middle east iran's axis of terror confronts america, israel, and our arab friends. this is not a clash of civilizations, it's a clash between barbarism and civilization. [ crowd chanting "bring them home ]" >> tonight thousands rallying outside israel's defense ministry as the largest protests since the start of the war surge on. public fury mounting over hamas' murder of these six young hostages, and the israeli government's failure to bring

them back alive. >> under the ruins of beirut, recovery workers unearth the body of hassan nasrallah who was killed in the series of huge explosions. the death of nasrallah shocked lebanon and dealt a body blow to regional politics. >> we will get the latest from tel aviv in our fourth hour of "morning joe." also ahead, a live report from north carolina where officials are rushing in resources in the wake of the historic flooding there. the latest on the ongoing recovery efforts straight ahead on "morning joe." covery efforts on "morning joe. ed... itchy, burning... my dry eye symptoms got worse over time. my eye doctor explained the root was inflammation. xiidra was made for that, so relief is lasting. xiidra treats the signs and symptoms of dry eye disease. don't use if allergic to xiidra and seek medical help if needed. common side effects include eye irritation, discomfort, blurred vision, and unusual taste sensation. don't touch container tip to your eye or any surface. before using xiidra, remove contact lenses and wait fifteen minutes before re-inserting. dry eye over and over?

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in 2016, donald trump said he would choose only the best people to work in his white house. now those people have a warning for america: trump is not fit to be president again. here's his vice president: "anyone who puts himself over the constitution should never be president of the united states." "i cannot in good conscience endorse donald trump this year." his defense secretary: "do you think trump can be trusted with the nation's secrets ever again?" "no. i mean, it's just irresponsible action that places our service members at risk, places our nation's security at risk." his national security advisor: "donald trump will cause a lot of damage." "the only thing he cares about is donald trump." and the nation's former highest ranking military officer:

"we don't take an oath to a king or queen. or to a tyrant or a dictator. and we don't take an oath to a wannabe dictator." take it from the people who knew him best: donald trump is too big a risk for america. i'm kamala harris and i approve this message.

i want to clarify what the law is there in minnesota. abortion finder, a website that helps women find access says abortion is legal throughout

pregnancy in minnesota. there is no ban or limit on abortion in minnesota based on how far along in a pregnancy you are. you signed a bill that makes it legal through all nine months. is that a position you think democrats should advocate for nationally? >> look, the vice president and i have been clear the restoration of roe versus wade is what we're asking for. >> that goes far beyond roe v. wade. >> the law is very clear, it does not change that. that has been debunked on every occasion. >> let's agree what you signed is there is not a single limit through nine months of pregnancy. roe had a trimester framework that did have limits through the pregnancy, the minnesota law does not have that. >> this puts the decision with the woman and her health care providers. the situation we have is when you don't have the ability of health care providers to provide that, that's who you end up with a situation like amanda zawarski in texas where they are afraid to do what's necessary. this doesn't change anything. it puts the decision back on to the woman, to the physicians.

>> that is not happening anywhere in the united states. it is not happening and it's a lie. just it's a bold-faced lie that he is suggesting that -- can you imagine -- can you imagine? he's suggesting that women in their ninth month of pregnancy are electing to have an abortion. are you kidding? that is -- that is so outrageously inaccurate and it's so insulting to suggest that that would be happening and that women would be doing that. it's not happening anywhere. this guy is full of lies. i mean, i have to be very candid with you. >> vice president kamala harris in a wide-ranging interview with the popular podcast "call her daddy." and before that you saw her running mate, governor tim walz,

on fox news yesterday speaking about the issues of abortion, trying to set the record straight. as reproductive health care stays at the forefront of the 2024 elections, a new documentary is taking a look at the physical and emotional toll of these abortion bans. you heard governor walz mention amanda zuwarski the new documentary zuwarski v. texas follows four women as they take on the texas courts in an attempt to regain reproductive rights in the state. take a look. >> you will hear testimony from amanda zuwarski whose water broke prematurely and who became septic waiting to become eligible for an abortion. >> i'm going to write a w on my wand for willa. she's always there. all right. let's do this. >> you will hear how samantha was forced to suffer the trauma of carrying a nonviable pregnancy to term and then watched her daughter gasp for

air for the four short hours of her life. ulg also hear from austin who was an ob/gyn herself and who was forced to travel out of state for an abortion after her baby was diagnosed with a fatal condition. by any measure, texas is in a health care crisis. the only issue in this case, however, is who should be getting abortions under the medical exception to the state's abortion bans and two years later, still, no one knows. >> and amanda joining us now. amanda is back on the show with us, along with the film's directors, macy crow and abby perot she is joining us along with uma abedin, an adviser for one of the producers who directed the documentary. all right. so macy and abby, in order, just tell us briefly if you could what you set out to do to

accomplish in this documentary. >> well, we wanted to understand what abortion bans meant in practice, especially in a state like texas where we're both from. one of the first things we asked amanda when we began filming was what wasn't being covered in the media that she had already done, and we all agreed that understanding the long-term effects, traumatic effects, of being denied health care was important to focus on. >> abby. >> i think the other thing that we really felt was so important to cover is this is an issue that effects women across our country. there are 25 million women living in states with abortion bans right now and what was so important to understand was that it's not just women being harmed, families are being harmed, families are being denied the ability to plan what their family looks like and i think that's something people need to understand. >> amanda, if you could remind

our viewers what the outcome of your health care situation was after you struggled to get the health care that you desperately needed. >> sure. so unfortunately i was suffering a miscarriage and was denied the abortion that i needed in that moment and had to wait until i qualified for health care in texas and that meant life of the mother. so i had to wait until my life was on the line. went into septic shock twice, survived that, thankfully, but my fertility unfortunately is permanently compromised. >> amanda, i want to ask you, we were all at the hampton's film festival on saturday where the film was screened. we debuted in telluride a month ago. you've been on tv for the last two years sharing your story. you do talk about this being a health care issue not just for american women but their families. at the end of both screenings i have been stunned by the silence in the room because people are so overcome with emotion and

then people just flock to you and to maisey and abby and the other characters in the film. what are they saying to you? >> overwhelming support, first and foremost, and then i'm hearing their stories because everyone has their own story, whether it's somebody who lives in a safe state or not in a safe state, you know, they're telling me about their loss, their ms. carriages, their abortions, their struggles to get pregnant, their experience with ivf. everyone has a story. by the way, it's not just women, it's men as well. what we are talking about here is reproductive care which is basic health care and that's something that impacts every single person in this country. >> it certainly does, macy, abby, both of you, many of the things strike me in the film but one is how hopeful you feel at the end, the sort of sense of triumph. tell us what you hope viewers will take away from the screenings. >> macy, go first.

>> sure. i think when we set out to make the film one of the things that was important to us was to show there is still hope amongst all the devastation we were seeing and we found that in molly dwayne, the lead attorney in the case. molly and her colleagues are going to continue to fight on this front and i think that that does bring hope to the story. >> and i think the women in this film bring hope because each made a very difficult decision to share such private, intimate moments of their lives and i am in awe of them because they continue to bear the truth out and speak and continue to speak, and that's what we need to hear right now. >> so, macy, where can people see this if they would like to see it? >> we're doing a number of screenings throughout the month, both at film festivals and impact screenings in various states. right now you can go to our website can zurawski v. texas.

>> i'm sorry g ahead. >> we're bringing the film to as many communities as possible, to states where bans are in place, to states where abortion is on the ballot and it's so crucial people understand the real impact of what's happening in their state. >> amanda, i'd like to know when you saw the entire doc what your feelings were and are you hopeful, especially given what these bans have actually -- how they have impacted your life. >> seeing the film for the first time was surreal, i will admit, but these filmmakers did such a beautiful job. what you see on screen is exactly what i lived, what i experienced and i think that's true of my co-plaintiffs and our attorney as well. i think when other folks see, it you know, we hear about these stories, but to see the long-term effects and to see them on screen i think really has a different and profound impact and i think between the

four of us everyone in america is going to see a little bit of themselves on that screen in each of us and i'm definitely hopeful, you know, it started -- it started small and we're seeing this kind of ground swell across the country of additional people speaking up and speaking out and fighting back. >> you can find out more information about screenings for the documentary at www.zurawskivtexas.com. abby, macy and amanda, thank you so much for being a part of this and uma abedin, of course, thank you as well. up next, we're going to go through the concerning and now extremely dangerous rhetoric from donald trump's rally over the weekend, and we will get a live report from north carolina where recovery efforts continue more than a week after helene devastated that state. keep it right here on "morning joe." keep it right here on "morning

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welcome to the fourth hour of "morning joe." it's 6:00 a.m. on the west coast, 9:00 a.m. in the east. jonathan lemire is back with us for the hour, of course, and our top story this hour, former president donald trump and vice president kamala harris are focusing heavily on the battleground states that will decide the outcome of the election. this as harris and her running mate, governor tim walz, launch a high-profile media blitz. nbc news senior washington correspondent hallie jackson has the latest. >> reporter: election day officially less than a month away this morning and amping up the attacks, former president trump in battleground wisconsin. >> kamala is a disastrous, radical and grocery incompetent vice president. >> reporter: mr. trump saturday back in butler, pennsylvania,

the scene of the first assassination attempt against him, picking up his speech where he left off in july. >> as i was saying -- >> reporter: and touting the endorsement of billionaire elon musk. the harris/walz team for its part kicking their media messaging into higher gear with broadcasts and podcasts many with friendly interviewers, though walz appeared on fox news. on "60 minutes" harris pressed on the u.s. relationship with the israeli prime minister. >> do we have a real close ally in prime minister netanyahu? >> i think, with all due respect, the better question is do we have an important alliance between the american people and the israeli people. and the answer to that question is yes. >> reporter: and with popular podcast host alex cooper, taking aim at former president trump's record on restricting abortion access. and asked about comments from arkansas governor sara hum bee

sanders that her children keep her humble, drawing an apparent contrast with harris who has stepchildren. >> i don't think she understands that there are a whole lot of women out here who are not aspiring to be humble, two, a whole lot of women out here who have a lot of love in their life. this is not the 1950s anymore. families come in all kinds of shapes and forms. >> that was nbc's hallie jackson with that reporting. joining us now, chief white house correspondent for "the new york times" peter baker. so, peter, you've been writing about trump's speeches, maybe perhaps showing signs of age. i will read from it. you point out, quote, this, he rambles, he repeats himself, he roams from thought to thought, some of them hard to understand, some of them unfinished, some of

them factually fantastical. he voices outlandish claims that seem to be made up out of whole cloth. he digress noose bizarre tangents about golf, about sharks, about his own, quote, beautiful body. he relishes a great day in louisiana after spending the day in georgia. he expresses fear that north korea is trying to kill me when he presumably means iran. his latest last month mr. trump was still speaking as if he were running against president biden, five weeks after his withdrawal from the race. >> and we have world war, of course, him talking about world war ii, him continually saying that he beat barack obama, and confusing barack obama and joe biden. and the list does go on. >> but now dangerous, whether it's age or something more nefarious, he's talking about saying the democrats were trying

to kill him. >> right. and so, again, everything does seem to be amped up and more unhinged. but here is a question, peter, we've been talking about this for quite some time, that donald trump has broken all norms of political rhetoric. i've been talking about charles krauthammer and how radically different donald trump is from charles krauthammer, how radically different he is from the 240 years of conservatism before he came on the scene. so i'm curious, because even in 2017 charles krauthammer was saying that donald trump was basically unhinged and acting like an 11-year-old. so you've looked at the speeches, sorry for the long wind up, but it's important so people don't say, oh, peter is just saying the same thing that they have all been saying for years. you've looked at the speeches through the years. do you actually see him

regressing? do you see a difference between the danger and just the maniacal rantings today and what we may have seen in 2017, 2018, 2020? >> yeah, no, joe, i mean, you're right to say that it's not new that donald trump is a dis cursive speaker, that he rambles, that he says things that are outrageous, that he says things that are untrue, that he seems to at times be disconnected from the norps, the standards that we are used to, you're absolutely right about that. so there is this debate does that mean he's getting older or not. we went back and looked at all of the rallies -- not all of the rallies, we did an analysis of all of the rallies going back to 2015, i looked at many of them, not all of them, and we do see some changes. yes, more accentuation of the negative, more accentuation of all or nothing wording like never, like always, more, you know, use of swear words. here is a funny statistic, he

uses swear words 69% of the time more than he did in 2016. that's something that could be what experts call dis inhibition, you lose your inhibitions as you get older, that's a possibility here. we see the speeches getting longer, more rambling. they're nearly twice as long today as they were in 2016. at the same time he's doing far fewer of them. does that mean he's tired? we don't know. obviously we remember he nodded off during his hush money trial. he's doing less than one quarter of the rallies so far this year than he did in 2016. so i think it's appropriate to look at age, obviously he doesn't have the same issues that president biden has, president biden presents it very, you know, old physically, right, he looked frail, he was having a hard time on that debate stage, we all remember that. trump has different issues. he obviously still exudes energy and he obviously is loud and bombastic. that hasn't changed. but if you watch the speech

patterns, if you spend time watching these rallies and comparing them to the past you can see some differences. >> peter, it's such an important work. you and i have had conversations many times about why joe biden drew so much attention for his age and for his verbal missteps, shall we say, and donald trump seemed to avoid that. i think you directly note a part of it is because trump projects his at such volume it's easy just to assume that he's more with it. but let's talk a little bit more about some of the rhetoric itself in terms of the call -- we've been talking about this morning, these calls for violence, these claims, dangerous claims, about hurricane responses or even, as we heard over the weekend, this idea with no evidence whatsoever that democrats were behind or inspired the assassination attempt against him. you know, this is something -- the impact of this i feel like really can't be overstated. >> no, absolutely. there's no filter here, right? it used to be that politicians knew they had to be careful in what they said, at least to some extent, because if they went too

far there would be a price to pay, that there would be a blow back. there doesn't seem to be that in the case of donald trump. now, why is that? it's a good question. i mean, you know, in the end a lot of democrats turn their eyes away from biden's problems for an awful long time until they had to confront it because of his debate performance and then they decided, no, it's not tenable, we can't have a candidate for president who is going to be 82 -- he's already 81, he will be 86 at the end of his second term. we decided to do something about t republicans have not had that moment with trump. they have not decided this is a problem that they need to replace him on the ballot. that's not likely to happen. doesn't seem to be any chance of that at this point. so part of it is that the democrats decided to deal with their aging candidate and the republicans decided they're perfectly happy with their aging candidate. you know, also part of that is because there are so many other issues with trump that we tend to follow, right? his criminal issues, he's been convicted of 34 felonies, the

threats to not recognize the election. there's so many issues that, you know, are involved when you talk about trump's candidacy that his age doesn't often get to the top of the list necessarily. but has been the concern of voters for a long time, about 51% or so of voters have said that they think trump is too old, they're concerned about his age. he is 78, three years younger than biden, he would be 82 at the end of his second term. >> so we're seeing more and more long-time republicans announcing their plans to vote for kamala harris. last month it was former wyoming congresswoman liz cheney who campaigned with harris last thursday. and yesterday it was another conservative stalwart, the former chair of florida's republican party, al cardenas. al joins us now. he also served in the administrations of both presidents reagan and george h.w. bush. >> you know -- >> it's great to have you on the

show. >> thank you. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. >> thank you for being with us, al. for those not as familiar with al's career, just simply saying that he was chairman of florida's gop is an understatement. >> that should be everything you need to know. >> i mean that. i mean, al was the florida republican party for decades and, al, i remember you giving your life to promoting republican ideas. i remember, you know, seeing you in escambia county and walton county, santa rosa, all the counties and you were tirelessly working, but now you've made the decision that dick cheney, liz cheney, ken aidelman, over 100 people in the reagan, bush '41, bush 43 and even trump administration have made and it's so important, i believe, as a former republican that you have. tell me why you did it. what moved you to make such a

dramatic -- interest dramatic s? >> thanks, joe. i will give you two recent examples, although there are many. one, i knew i wasn't going to vote for donald trump, in addition to the intellectual diminishing as covered with the previous speaker on your show, it was pretty obvious that he's just not a good person. so i had made that decision. but actually voting for the harris/walz and maybe doing it with some enthusiasm is a fairly recent development. i will give you two recent examples, both of which i'm very familiar with. one is the national disasters. you know, that's always been a bipartisan issue, both democrats and republicans have worked together to assist the people in harm's way. well, you know, the white house asked congress to pass a bill to -- a supplemental bill to really help people with these disasters because we may be running out of cash. all of a sudden the trolling,

the trump operatives and everybody else started saying, well, they're giving that money to illegal immigrants. not true. there are various parts of fema that are funded separately and national disasters is one of them. well, you know, when andrew hit florida, which has been one of many, i worked hand in hand with george h.w. bush administration and the democrat governor. it was always a bipartisan spirit. everybody wanted to help those in harm's way. well, you take it now, you know, the trump operatives are already lying about fema not having resources, about fema not going over. when the white house asked -- asked the congress to meet for a supplemental bill to pass a supplemental bill for fema, they said, call us after november 5. that's something that is just -- the second one was with immigration. it was so hard to get a bipartisan bill put together in order to stop the intrusions at the border, but, oh, no, trump

had to tell the republicans not to pass it because it was not in his best interest. so we have a bad porous border now. you know, there's nothing that comes up that's important to our citizens that trump doesn't weigh in terms of his own interests. i just can't vote or support someone like that, and i think that harris and walz may not necessarily be my ideal pick, but they're not going to put americans in harm's way. so i made an easy decision for me and there are many others. incidentally, mika, i'm sorry that your dad is not around. our country could really use him at this time. >> me, too. i think about that all the time, especially on the world stage right now. it is really great to have you on the show and to have you as an example of choosing country over party, like liz cheney did. i think for some very high-level

republicans, formers, present, in terms of service, it might be a difficult decision, maybe even deeply personal, it may be complicated. are there some republicans that are very well-known that you wish would step up and make the choice publicly country over party? >> sure. my good friend mitt romney, who, you know, who is a moderate by and large, but well-liked, our republican presidential nominee would be one. a lot of leadership in the house and senate i know feel the same way i do, many who have retired, have retired because they could not work with a, you know, trump administration or with trump supporters. this whole idea about, you know, embracing, you know, these platitudes that we now have with trump, it's a world of hate. you know, in america we've always found opportunities to have bipartisan unity whenever

it's crucial for the country. that will not exist if donald trump gets elected. we are going to run into a period of time of great risk for america globally and a lot of challenges domestically and i don't think that our country can survive four years of donald trump being oblivious to the constitution, being oblivious to the rule of law, being oblivious to the importance of our institutions. so, you know, i'm very confident with my vote and i think it's a vote to preserve american values. >> it is so -- it is the antithesis of reagan. the personal hatred that is spewed. i'm with john kasich who, you know, john said i don't hate donald trump, i just -- his policies are bad for america and that's why -- why he said he couldn't vote for donald trump. i want to read this -- i've been reading some conservative things that conservatives used to always believe in. this applies to you, i think,

today. the conservative mind always on my desk in congress. russell kirk. both the impulse to improve and the impulse to conserve are necessary. whether we join our energies to the party of progress or the party of permanence must depend on the circumstances of the time. and i think about the circumstances -- when david french and others like you make this bold decision based on the circumstances of the time i ask you to explain this for americans who may not understand, for republicans that may not understand. you are looking through the lens of a man whose family fled a dictatorship. talk about the circumstances of these times and your fears. >> well, joe, when we joined the reagan revolution, it was based on policy. it was based on the fact that we believe in conservative policies. and so, you know, we had a revolution, we had a change, but

it was based on policy. now this cult the trump cult is not based on policy, it's based on fear mongering, it's based on appealing to our lower interests, it's based on diminishing the importance of what made our nation great. respect for our laws, respect for others. and you can't join a bandwagon that's based on separating our country, on instilling fear and hatred on the backs of americans. it's not healthy, hasn't happened in a long time and it's very difficult and cancerous for our country's survival. i frankly, you know, given every other choice, i will say the number one choice is preserving our constitution, preserving the rule of law, preserving the respect for institutions and, frankly, our love and compassion for one another. we're not enemies, we're all part of one america. that's why i am so disgusted.

>> one america. and he's so right. and it reminds me, of again, something i read over the weekend when he said ronald reagan was about ideas. >> yeah. >> ronald reagan told peggy noonan in 1993, she asked him about his legacy, and he said thi -- the opposite of donald trump who talks about how great he is every day -- i've never thought of myself as a great man, just a man committed to great ideas. >> exactly. >> ronald reagan. >> and to get back to that, that's the argument, i think, for pushing away from trump is that if trump loses, perhaps the republican party finally has a chance to rebuild in that type of -- >> being committed to ideas and not being committed to a personality cult. >> one of the most important conservative voices in the florida republican party, al cardenas. thank you so much for coming on

"morning joe." we really appreciate it. >> thank you, al. and coming up, on friday afternoon donald trump announced he received a major endorsement. the only problem, he didn't. >> another lie. >> yeah. we will dig into the details surrounding jamie dimon's non-endorsement ahead. plus, one business leader who has endorsed the former president joined him on stage at a pennsylvania campaign event on saturday and brought with him an ominous warning to rallygoers. we will dig into the details with cnbc's andrew ross sorkin next. we will be right back. we will be right back. power e*trade's award-winning trading app makes trading easier.

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these are uncomfortable statistics, there's something wrong, there's something unbalanced about all these numbers and where the country is going. >> well, especially so since, as you see, and i guess you

probably read one of the numbers where the illegal migrants that are coming into the country are getting the jobs. they're getting most of the jobs and the citizens aren't getting the jobs. one other reference i want to refer to when he was talking about more illegals are accounting for these jobs than anyone else, i don't know where he's getting that. in the latest employment report out today, 254,000 jobs were gained, says nothing about annotations for illegals getting those jobs, nor would it. >> look, i'm going to be very careful here. if you notice anything the maga republicans don't like they call fake. anything. the job numbers are what the job numbers are. they're real. they lie about the job numbers, they lie about the election in 2020, they continue to lie about the election in 2020. united states senators will not say on sunday shows that donald

trump lost in 2020 because they don't want to upset donald trump. that's -- that's how sick -- how sick this personality cult that was once the republican party has become. it's really sad. again, i -- again, unfortunately for you all i've been boring you with a lot of books from conservatives that have shaped my thinking, whether it was russell kirk, whether it's edmund burke, whether it's charles krauthammer. the lies are constant. >> yeah. >> they're about the election, they're lies about hurricane relief. i mean, if you believe the lies about the hurricane relief, i feel sorry for you. it's being spread. the very conservative governor of tennessee believes by foreign influences as well as donald trump and j.d. vance. you talk to a republican governor in the states affected they will tell you fema is doing a great job. they will tell you the federal government is doing everything they can to work together. as al cardenas said before, this

has always been bipartisan. i learned so much in 1995 when hurricane opal and hurricane erin came on shore, i had just become a member of congress that year. the governor i didn't care for, i was really fiscally conservative and went after him and bill clinton and everybody else. i will tell you i didn't know how it was going to work out when bill clinton and the governors and the senators all got together. it was lauten chiles who before that had always been very stern around me, he came through the district i represented, he put his arm around me and he basically said, you know, when some -- i will just say it -- some of bill clinton's staff members were less than inviting, lauten, then the governor, put his arm around me and he said, hey, it's his district, like let's -- let's help him out and

let's everybody work together, and the republican senators, the democratic governor, everybody worked together. and i learned it there and that's what al cardenas just said. these storms it brings us together to help people who are suffering in western carolina, people who were suffering in georgia, people who were suffering in georgia are going to suffer again. as "the charlotte observer" said, donald trump and j.d. vance and i don't know if it's russia, i don't know who the foreign interests are that the republican governor of tennessee said that are spreading misinformation, but as "the charlotte observer" said, donald trump's lies are making the suffering in western carolina worse, and actually making the job of the republicans and democrats trying to help them more difficult because of the misinformation they are spewing for political conditions. you know, it's just like, mika,

they had a chance to pass the toughest border security bill ever, sponsored -- >> it was right there on the table ready for them to sign. >> donald trump killed it, he said blame it on me, and he killed it because he knew it would help solve the crisis. and now we're doing the same thing with hurricane relief where he's lying about it and spreading disinformation when that's the last thing the people in north carolina and south carolina -- towns totally wiped out. they don't need this right now. >> and another lie, the jamie dimon endorsement. let's bring in the co-anchor of cnbc's "squawk box." >> not quite as significant. it's a flat out lie. >> andrew ross sorkin. where does he get that? >> i don't know where he gets any of this stuff, but i think to your point the -- just the amount of misinformation and the attack on just truth and the attack on what is real creates a

genuine problem in this country because if you have somebody of his stature telling the public that there's an individual like a jamie dimon who is endorsing him, and then -- and people are going to believe that, and then, of course, jamie dimon has to come out with a statement saying, this is not true. what do you do? you know, we had jobs numbers last friday, these were great jobs numbers. we now have people like marco rubio and others questioning whether the numbers are real. whether the bureau of labor is actually providing accurate statistics. if we can't believe these things, if at every turn there is going to be an effort to undermine this information, that i think is being brought to us in good faith, and, by the way, there have been efforts to undermine the jobs numbers for years. you can go back, i don't know if you recall, back in 2012 jack welch who ran general electric once owned these stations. >> i remember jack.

>> and, by the way, became a trump supporter, but back then i think was a supporter of mitt romney was trying to question the jobs numbers and whether the obama administration was somehow trying to mess with the numbers. you had never seen, i don't recall, the democrats claiming that jobs numbers, for example, are somehow being brought to us inaccurately. in fact, i would say just to buttress and support the numbers we saw on friday, they were also upwardly revised over the summer. so as we were talking this summer about questions about how good was the economy, would it hold up, where jobs really were, what did we find out? we found out that some of those numbers unfortunately was inaccurate at the time. that seems to be the nature of the way these jobs numbers get collected. but i say all of this because at some point someone has to say stop. stop it. we have to actually look at the information as it is and when we have people who are trying to undermine what is truth or at

least the truth as we understand it today, it confuses people and does a demonstrable disservice to the american public. i don't think there's any other way to say it. >> it really does. and you look at the lies that are being spread, again, we've been talking about all the lies about hurricane relief, the lies about the 2020 election, the lies about democrats trying to kill donald trump, the lies about all of this, and you see donald trump and, sadly, you know, a host on fox business news that used to work in the government that knows better, that's sad. i've got to say a question that many people have asked in florida and across -- across the country, jonathan lemire, is what happened to marco rubio? i mean, here is a guy in the last six months that has gone

full maga, calling jobs numbers fake, as if a guy who believes in industrial policy knows more about what the real job number situation is than the men and women on wall street, who are investing big in this growing economy. that's number one. and then, you know, he claims that the juries can't be trusted. you're just like, how deep -- how deep this infection of the republican party, of former conservatives, how just total it is that we now have a completely different universe, where they can't admit on sunday shows that donald trump lost the 2020 election. when other republican local officials admitted it, they can't admit that the federal government and state governments and the local governments are

coordinating well on hurricane relief. marco rubio knows how important this is. he is from florida. he knows better. and yet the lies just continue unabated and it's really sad. yes, it's concerning, i would say it's also very sad that some people -- >> you have to really wonder -- >> -- who can be so much better than this and really contribute are choosing to follow instead in donald trump's path of lies and disinformation. >> yeah, rubio is a good case study of this phenomenon. he clashed with trump some during the 2016 primary, we remember. after trump was elected president he largely fell in line but did break with him on some foreign policy issues as well as on the intel committee. he would occasionally separate himself from trump. those days are over. i mean, some of this may have been his ill-fated bid to be trump's vice president, we know he was in the final three or four candidates for that. it's also his read on florida, which is becoming increasingly

trumpified and he thinks he can't break with trump at all if he wants to have an electoral future there. andrew ross sorkin, another person who has decided not to break with donald trump at all is elon musk, and i will say that elon musk is perhaps the world's leading spreader of disinformation, including outright lies about hurricane relief, about illegal immigrants. we have seen him do that in the last couple of weeks. and then on saturday he steps on stage with donald trump, with one of the less athletic leaps i have ever seen as he bounded his way on stage with trump. tell us -- and then spoke briefly on the former president's behalf. tell us about that moment and what sort of -- yeah, he does not have much of a vertical, mr. musk. but set that aside, andrew, and just tell us what do you think this means politically? >> well, look, i thought that the most complicated,

controversial comment that he made was he said that he believed that this would be -- that if former president trump wasn't reelected that this would be the last election, effectively saying democracy was on the line, but trying to suggest democracy was on the line from the other side. there is a poll, by the way, that a number of republicans are now pointing to from the "washington post" last week where this question was asked about a threat to democracy, but depending on how you, i think, read the wording of it, republicans have historically thought that republicans and trump may be better on national security. we can debate that, but nonetheless maybe that's where that's coming from, but, you know, i think that he has riled up the base, he is part of that base. there is a question about what kind of impact it's going to have on his business, but he is clearly making a bet that former president trump is going to win and if he does win i think it would be surprising if his

businesses don't ultimately benefit. of course, spacex is a huge business with a massive government contract, tesla is a beneficiary of all sorts of subsidies and other things -- >> donald trump has said that. i mean, donald trump has said that elon musk relies on subsidies from the federal government. again, it's once again, all these great libertarians out in silicon valley that rely on the federal government to give them corporate welfare. it's pretty fascinating. >> to be fair -- >> to talk really quickly about andriese and horowitz. we have an interesting split there, don't we? >> so this is fascinating. mark andriese and ben horowitz who are sort of the kings, legendary in silicon valley as some of the great venture capitalists who have supported and funded some of the biggest technology companies that you know today, by the way, mark

andreessen was the creator of what is today the web browser that we all use. >> yeah. >> his partner and him had come out quite publicly, vocally and surprisingly given just how liberal oftentimes silicon valley has been seen as voting in favor of former president trump, and they had made an explicit argument on a podcast that went viral. since then ben horowitz just last week has turned around and said, actually, that he is going to fund vice president harris' campaign, which as a long-time friend of harris. now, at the time that they made their endorsement of trump, biden was still in the race. so that's playing a bit of a part of t his wife felicia also apparently friends or long-time friends of the vice president. part of this has been around technology, around some of these issues -- not carried interest, but how taxes would be made on certain types of technology

companies, what it would do to the startup economy. it's a fascinating one. a lot of people in silicon valley focused on t i don't know if changes the outcome of anything, but definitely raising eyebrows this morning. >> for sure. cnbc's andrew ross sorkin, thank you very much. and chief white house correspondent for "the new york times" peter baker, final thoughts from you before you go. i take it you've watched the trump rally this weekend very closely for your reporting, including the -- what seemed to be pretty dangerous allegations about democrats trying to kill him. >> yeah, obviously he is, of course, trying to galvanize that base, he's playing to victimization and grievance which of course has been a strong political card that he has played over the years. i think he was surprised that the assassination attempts didn't do more to lift his popularity. they didn't actually change anything. obviously people on both sides of the aisle condemned the violence or certainly, you know, nobody was happy with the way

the secret service handled things, but the matter of politics, it didn't transform the race. i think in a way that he thought it would. so he's trying to remind at least his voters, his own supporters even if not people in the middle that he is, in fact, been now the victim of two apparent assassination attempts and he's trying to impute motives on the would be assassins, at least in one of the cases we don't have any clue what his motives were, and certainly there is no connection to any organized, you know, effort or democratic party, but he wants to be the victim here. he wants to be the martyr. that works to, i think, the sense of bitterness and resentment a lot of voters feel toward power, toward people in the elite, toward the media, toward institutions. that's part of the whole sowing of distrust. you talked about the thing with marco rubio and the jobs numbers, they are so in distrust in all of the institutions in order to build up one character,

one figure, and that's donald trump. >> peter baker, thank you very much. >> that's such a great point by peter, and, again, just interesting -- >> it's how it happens. >> talk being how non-conservative, how much of a conservative donald trump is not. notice it is an attack on the institutions that are the foundation of america. america's government, the rule of law. they attack the jury. they attack american democracy by saying the elections are rigged. >> nothing matters. >> they attack the rule of law by attacking judges constantly, by dismissing what 63 federal judges -- we could go on and on. but, again, edmund burke -- edmund burke who is echoed by russell kirk, edmund burke said -- looking across the

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mika -- >> yes. >> -- i'm going to read to quote to you. >> please, i love that. >> about donald trump. >> okay. >> this man is a pathological liar. >> well, yes. >> he doesn't know the difference between truth and lies. >> true.

check. >> he lies practically every word that comes out of his mouth. >> 100% check. good quote. >> by ted cruz, u.s. senator from texas. >> well, there you go. what year was that? >> 2016. >> right. of course. before he got -- >> before he gained power, before donald trump gained power. >> over the weekend president biden announced an additional 500 active duty troops would be applied to north carolina to help in the recovery effort there following hurricane helene. those 500 troops will join the 1,000 already on the ground in the hard-hit state. let's go live to burnsville, north carolina, and nbc news correspondent antonia hilton. what's the latest on the ground there? >> reporter: good morning, mika and joe. i think the reality here is starting to set in. just the scope of what people are going to be struggling with here for months. hearing in the asheville area

people may not have running water for weeks. here in burnsville which is a more remote and rural part of the mountains, people hearing they may not have water for more like a few months. so there's the panic and the pain that comes with that. that means people are going to need a lot more than just water bottles and hot meals and visits. they need a lot of clothing. they're going to need jackets, they're going to need heaters, they're going to need blankets, sleeping bags, all kinds of supplies. already it's getting very cold here in the mornings and it is only going to get colder. you know, this is a very small area, about 2,000 -- less than 2,000 or so people. so they're grateful for the aid that is coming in, but sometimes the outsiders who come in here they don't always know how to frankly handle themselves in these very rural parts. i mean, we have heard from people that helicopters have come overhead with aid, but then not understood how to land. this he don't know how to land in parts of the mountains. we heard there have been

volunteers that have gotten up in the mountains and gotten themselves stuck in deep mud and locals have to rescue them. that tells you about the complexity here and it's why 10, 11 days out there are still so many people in desperate need. take a listen to one fire official describing some of the dynamic here. >> well, see, these people here, they're used to helping people. that's all they've done their entire lives is help other people. when you go to these folks and tell them we have aid centers set up, we have things here to help them, they go, no, i don't want to take it, i want it to go to somebody else that needs it without ever realizing that they are actually in need. what we do is we try to convince them if you want to help somebody, come and get some of the food and the water and the supplies, bring to it to your house and if you have a neighbor in need send it to their neighbor and it works every time. >> reporter: and that's what you see happening right behind me here. this is very much a neighbor to neighbor operation, people bringing clothing, in a few

hours families are going to start up their own stations where they're going to make food for the people that they know that they go to church with. that's what it feels like right now here on the ground, guys. >> all right. of course, we are still waiting for hurricane milton to bear down on florida this week. nbc news correspondent antonia hilton reporting live from burns vim, north carolina, thank you very much for that reporting. so today marks the one-year anniversary of the deadliest day in israeli history. last year hamas fighters stormed across the gaza border, rampaging communities in southern israel, killing about 1,200 people and taking more than 250 hostages. now the entire middle east one year later is in conflict. a new documentary is recounting the horrifying events from that day at the nova music festival, it's entitled "we will dance again."

the film features harrowing firsthand accounts from two dozen survivors of the festival and weaves together footage from cell phones of festivalgoers, surveillance cameras and body cameras of hamas terrorists. let's take a look at the trailer for the documentary which features disturbing footage and may be very difficult to watch. >> i remember seeing a terrorist with a hamas emblem on his head, he was smiling, like it was a game. [ speaking in a global language ] >> i'm never going to be the person i was before the 7th of october and i'm trying to figure out who i'm going to be now. >> every single person that i lost on that day would have made the hell out of this life and for them i need to continue

living. >> joining us now from tel aviv is the director of "we will dance again" and one of the documentary's participants atam haley a nova music festival survivor. thank you both so much for joining us. >> thank you for having us. >> we really appreciate what you've done here. tell us more of the elements you were able to pull together to put this together. >> you know, on the 7th of october after hearing the news and watching the story evolve in front of my eyes i was keen to get there, to see it, to be there, to file it, to see it in my own eyes and i got the permission to be there after two days with my camera crew. i have never seen such a sight

of a massacre in my life and it was devastating to see. from that specific point i started collecting the footage from the partygoers, the survivors, but also, as you said, from the terrorists themselves that were keen to capture those atrocities that they did and did it so joyfully. i mean, they were bragging and enjoyed killing harmless people which it was a clear shock to me. >> we're obviously so glad you are with us. please tell us, if you will, a little bit about what that day was like, but also just what has the next 12 months been like as we stand here at a year mark, of course, your life forever changed in ways we can't really comprehend. >> so first i want to say thank you for giving me this platform to speak out and to share my story with everyone. this movie is very important, it's evidence of what happened that same day, and to be there

and to go through what i went through, no human being in the world should ever need to see the horrors that i saw. i was -- i was there, i fought shoulder to shoulder with other people, with other youngsters like me that were just at the party, just there to have a good time, and we found ourselves fighting for our lives and just trying to survive. and to answer how it's been ever since, it's been the toughest 12 months i have had in my life. i've been trying to get back to life and it hasn't been easy, but i feel like i'm on the correct path. >> eitan, we thank you so much for being with us and our hearts break for you, everyone who was there, the people of israel. i want to ask you to tell us

about one person that you knew there that was lost that you would like all of us to remember. >> it's hard to pick out one person from the bunch that were in there. we were 29 people in the concrete shelter that went in there together without knowing what our fate would lead us to. we really -- we thought this we were going into a protective zone, somewhere we could be safe and get away from all the missiles and the shrapnel and we found ourselves in a horrible situation. there's two people that are very close friends to me that i would like to say their names, etiai and shanai two friends from university that i've known for the last four years that came with me to the festival. it breaks my heart but they

didn't come back. two other people stood shoulder to shoulder with me and fought off the terrorists at then trans, one of them literally gave his life to save us, his name is anel, a brilliant kid, he was so young and he threw out so many grenades and saved our lives and of course you can't think about the concrete structure without remembering hersh pollen goldberg, a brave kid, he was bradley injured while the attack was happening, he lost his arm, and after that he was kidnapped back to gaza and he survived for such a long time and as the military was about to get to him, the hamas militants murdered him in cold blood. he survived such a long time, just to have such a horrible fate, and i really -- my heart goes out to all their families. it was an honor knowing them. >> the new documentary "we will

dance again" is streaming now on paramount plus. director yariv mozer and eitan heal, thank you both so much for the documentary and for coming on the show this morning. thank you. >> thank you for having us. this is truly important to all of us. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. let's bring in the ceo of the anti-defamation league jonathan goldblatt. jonathan, your thoughts on this day. >> so hard. i mean, this is a solemn day that, you know, to paraphrase president roosevelt, will live in infamy. 1,200 people killed, 101 still alive, still held hostage. like we just saw in that segment, thousands and thousands of people either physically injured or psychologically traumatized for life. what's so scary is this happened, joe and mika and jonathan and somehow it triggered not a wave of empathy

but a wave of hate here at home. we've seen over 10,000 anti-jewish incidents over the last 12 months. it's extraordinary. >> jonathan, let's talk about that a little further. the sort of state of anti-semitism, well-chronicled, disturbingly so, the rise in the immediate aftermath of the attack. now we are a year later, where are we? >> it's unfortunate that we're still having this conversation that we had a year ago where somehow this worst act of anti-semitism triggered the tsunami that we're all struggling with now, on college campuses the issue has been very acute, but this public places as well. 150 assaults, 1,800 plus acts of vandalism, more than 8,000 acts of harassment. and even today, even today when we want to honor the memory of those people who were killed, there is a, quote, unquote, week of rage being launched in new york city by pro-hamas organizations. imagine if on 9/11 a day when we commemorate those who were

killed, a group of people want us to equivocate and actually celebrate al qaeda. that's what's happening now and it's totally unacceptable. >> are you finding also in some of our priefs guests we had a pair of rabbis who said this. >> yes. >> they said obviously to your point a moment of such sadness and anger but also of such strength. they feel like for so many jewish people across the united states they feel like their identity has been reborn. >> what a great point. i have certainly seen this. i think while our resolve has been tested the resilience demonstrated is extraordinary. i think it has strengthened communal bonds, not just people coming to synagogue but waking up with a sense of pride. that's how we win. you can't beat hate with hate, you have to beat it with love, beat it with pride, beat it with strength. seeing jewish people reawaken, reemerge, united and stronger, that's how we'll win. >> yes. ceo of the anti-defamation league jonathan greenblatt, thank you very much, we appreciate it. >> thank you so much, jonathan. of course, our prayers -- our

prayers certainly go out to those innocent israelis killed a year ago, the innocent palestinians that have been killed in the year since, along with israelis and others, and all of those that are caught in the middle of a terrible tragic war that seems to be endless, that was started by hamas and i think we all -- this morning we pray -- we pray for peace. >> yes. that does it for us this morning. we thank you for joining us. we will be back bright and early tomorrow morning at 6:00 a.m. ana cabrera picks up the coverage in 90 seconds. . ana cabrera picks up the coverage in 90 seconds ♪ thinkin' i can see through this and see what's behind ♪ ♪ 'cause i'm only human after all ♪ ♪ i'm only human after all ♪

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