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good to be with you. i'm katy tur. one year ago today, hamas militants launched an unprecedented multipronged attack on southern israel, descending on communities close to the border, killing 1,200 people, including 46 americans, and taking more than 250 hostages back to gaza. kids, and babies, moms and dads, grandparents, soldiers, people in their homes, people at work. people at a music festival. it was the largest massacre of jews since the holocaust, the worst security failure in israel's history. in the years since, israel has turned gaza into rubble, trying to root out hamas. and rescue hostages, killing 40,000 gazans, militants and civilians. in many cases, entire families, and lots and lots and lots of children. more than 16,000, according to local accounting. on top of that, an ever

escalating humanitarian catastrophe, a lack of food, water, shelter, and medicine. of the 250 hostages taken back to gaza, 117 have been released in short-term cease fire and lopsided prisoner exchange deals. the rest are either still captive or dead. including the entire bevis family, the youngest only nine months old when he was kidnapped. while the u.s. and, neither benjamin netanyahu or yahya sinwar have relented and netanyahu says his country faces war on seven fronts as conflicts across the middle east escalates. a bleak backdrop against today's bleak anniversary as commemorations take place across israel and around the world. joining us now, nbc news chief

foreign correspondent richard engel who's in tire, lebanon for us, and erin mclaughlin in tel aviv. erin, i'll start with you and the remembrances, what's it like there today? >> reporter: i was just at what's called hostage square here in tel aviv where thousands of israelis had gathered to remember what happened on october 7th. many of them were in tears. it was an emotional ceremony. one of many ceremonies to take place today across israel. today earlier in the morning, at exactly 6:29 a.m., israelis gathered at the site of the nova music festival to remember the exact minute hamas militants crossed the border, storming the festival and the kibbutz scene killing innocent israelis. and that emotion, that sadness

is also compounded by anger. i have been speaking to many israelis here, and they continue to be angry. they feel that this government is not prioritizing the release of the hostages in this war. and to that end, there were hundreds of israelis marching through the streets of jerusalem today, not far from the israeli prime minister's home, demanding just that. and it still, there are also lots of questions, i was speak to go a resident of kibbutz nir oz, one of the hardest hit of the kibbutz, they lost a quarter to kidnapping or killing on october 7th. one resident was asking me why it took the israeli military so long to respond to their kibbutz. it's an open question that a year later has yet to be answered. katy. >> richard, on the other side of this is the northern border of

israel with lebanon, in the day after october 7th last year. hezbollah there started lobbing missiles at israel in solidarity with hamas. this is before the war in gaza began in earnest, before israel started going in there. now, after that year, israel has launched its own strikes against hezbollah in lebanon. concerted strikes killing the leader of hezbollah, and now they're there on the ground, fighting. what's the latest? >> reporter: so the air strikes are continuing in beirut. they are continuing here in the city of tire, just during the latest commercial break, there were more air strikes, i could hear them where i'm standing right now. there have been puffs of smoke on the hills, just behind me on the outskirts of the city. some of them powerful enough to rattle the windows here. a lot of south lebanon is emptying out. israel has been issuing daily

evacuation orders for an increasing number of towns, villages, some small cities, and about a third of the country now has been declared evacuation zones, and the lebanese people are heading north to their safety. they are getting out of that southern suburb, if they can, because there is a sense that israel can strike, and will strike at will wherever it wants to. and there is a deep sense of unease in this country that we are at the beginning stages of a much greater war. people here understand what happened a year ago. not everyone supports hezbollah, not everyone feels that hezbollah should have the ability to drag this country into a war without consulting the government, without consulting the people. that has happened, and now israel is responding, trying to eliminate hezbollah, and

everyone who isn't supporting hezbollah worries that they're going to be dragged into this war, and are being dragged into this war. like i said, a million people have already been displaced, very difficult to get out of beirut, very difficult to find a safe place, especially here in the south of the country. so there is an overwhelming feeling that the lebanese people are paying the price, the people of gaza are paying the price for the horrific act on october 7th, a year ago, at 6:29 in the morning. >> richard engel, erin mclaughlin, thank you very much for starting us off. joining us now, carnegie endowment for international peace senior fellow and former arab negotiator for the state department, aaron david miller and professor of international relations at the london school of economics, gurgis. a year on, the effort by the u.s. and the qataris to find a permanent cease fire has failed

so far. where are we right now? what happens next? >> our discussions are familiar and depressing. the headlines look grim and sort of the trend lines. october 7th changed everything. what i'm thinking now is what if it didn't. we have three ongoing conflicts and confrontations that show no signs of abating, and frankly do not have transformative or heroic diplomatic outcomes. one between israel and hamas. sinwar and netanyahu facing off. the reason there's no cease fire is there's no urgency. there's no urgency on the part of sinwar, and the same applies to netanyahu. you have israel and hezbollah, the israelis clearly have a right to secure their northern border. i'm concerned, though, that the tactics they are employing won't result in a strategy that is going to secure that northern

border, and now we may well be days away from the first iranian/israeli war. i think october 7th, i try to hold in my head and heart, the pain, the suffering of both israelis and palestinians, hoping somehow that there will be a pathway out of this, but right now, i would be deluding myself, and everyone else if i believe there was. >> fellows are we perhaps days away from an israeli/iranian war? >> if it's up to israeli prime minister, that's exactly what benjamin netanyahu wants. benjamin netanyahu is gunning for war against iran, and he has the united states exactly where it is. look. horrific as it was. the 7th of october, the killing of 1,200 israelis was horrific.

but regardless of how horrific it was, it is, this does not justify the slaughter of palestinians in the past 12 months. as you said, katy, 42,000 palestinians have been killed, including 16,000 children. more than 90,000 palestinians have been injured. gaza is a wasteland, it's no longer. the entire population of gaza has been displaced multiple times. hundreds of palestinians have been killed in the west bank in the occupied west bank. in the past two weeks, as a result of the escalation of benjamin netanyahu, there was a diplomatic initiative on the table. it was an american french call for a temporary cease fire. it had been coordinated with benjamin netanyahu, it came to the united nations, he rejected the american french peace initiative, and decided to assassinate the entire top leadership of hezbollah and

escalate is gone now, full invasion of southern lebanon. israel says it's a limited, targeted operation, exactly what benjamin netanyahu said. the americans said don't worry, it's going to be a limited, targeted operation. rafah no longer exists, it's gone to a million pieces. and yes, i worry a great deal. look, where's the biden administration? i don't think this is really benjamin netanyahu's war. this is joe biden's war. the biden administration feeds this war. the biden administration shields benjamin netanyahu. and look, joe biden and blinken and jack sullivan, and austin, all of them really have been taken, been manipulated by benjamin netanyahu and extremists, religious zionist coalition. so, no, i don't see a light at the end of the tunnel, not because hamas does not want a

cease fire in gaza. hamas is a desperate for a cease fire. >> let me ask you -- let me just -- i have only a couple of minutes left in this block, and i want to get a couple more questions. fawaz, where is yahya sinwar, i've heard him describe to somebody who's willing to sacrifice the entire population of gaza to get his ends met? >> katy, with all due respect, everything you leave from sinwar comes from american intelligence services and israeli intelligence services. this is the narrative that's really being fed to the american people. the hamas political leadership is desperate. they have accepted joe biden's proposal. it's benjamin netanyahu who wants total victory. he has made it clear. we should believe benjamin netanyahu when he says he does not want to end the war in gaza. he wants total victory. how do you square total victory with a permanent cease fire in

gaza? i talk to hamas political leaders, they are desperate for cease fire. they want to survive politically. it's benjamin netanyahu who really does not want to end the war in gaza because he wants total victory. he's delusional. you cannot have total victory. even the americans could not have total victory. >> i'm not here to defend benjamin netanyahu, nor would i want to. aaron david miller, though, what do you think of what fawaz just said that hamas is desperate for this? >> i'm the last person who wants to write a brief for benjamin netanyahu, the longest governing prime minister presiding over the most extreme right wing government, probably the leader at the right time, for israel's greatest crisis. that said, frankly analytically, and i'm not here to advocate. i'm here to analyze. it is not one hand clapping. let's be clear here. israeli palestinian conflict didn't begin on october 7th. there's no doubt about that. but the three of us would not, i

repeat, the three of us would not be having this conversation if october 7th did not occur. it wasn't some sort of prison break where hamas was completely under the control of am rational military strategy. it was to inflict pain and cruelty and sadistic practices that took the israeli/palestinian conflict to a new level. yahya sinwar is waiting desperately. the only desperate part about yahya sinwar is his desperation to see whether or not israel and iran can actually find themselves into a regional confrontation. this is not one-hand clapping. this is a complicated conflict. frankly, i don't think it serves anybody's interests in order to portray it in any other way. yes, benjamin netanyahu's decisions on war making have

been fundamentally skewed and at the time -- tethered to his political survival. about that, there's no doubt. the complicated problem between israel and hamas, israel and hezbollah, and frankly, i think we need to analyze, rather than advocate with respect to the motives and consequences of what's occurred over the last year. if we don't, basically you're going to end up with a situation in which we'll be unable to create any sort of positive pathway forward. it's a tragedy, i'll grant you that. >> fawaz, i have to leave it there. i have a family member of some of the hostages that are still in gaza waiting. fawaz, thank you. aaron david miller, thank you as well. still ahead, for 366 days they have been held in captivity, a relative of two children believed to be the youngest of hamas's hostages joins us. one year after the worst attack on jewish people since

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hostages being held by hamas had been stuck in limbo as the world grinds on. with no information, just hope that their loved ones are still alive. my next guest, ephat wishes good night to her nephews every single night as she tucks her own small children into bed in tel aviv. the boys are believed to be the youngest hostages held by hamas. two of her four family members who have been captive now for the last 366 days and counting. joining us now, ephad zeiler whose relatives are being held by hamas. the images of the boys is heartbreaking. how are you? how are you dealing with this? >> i don't think there are words in the english language to describe how i feel, how my family feels after a year, this long, gruesome, horrible year.

>> what's the latest information you have on them? >> last november, in the last cease fire, the last hostage deal, my cousin and the two boys, didn't return from gaza. hamas issued a notice that they're gone, that they're dead. the day after they released a video of yeldin, their father, saying that to the camera. they released it to telegram, we received it through social media. watching him, heartbroken. saying to the camera. since then we haven't received any confirmation about that. the intelligence here and all

the intelligence agencies that are working day and night to retrieve information of the hostages. they can't confirm if my cousin and the two boys are gone. we are in this horrible situation of not knowing and as the days went by, and holding hope, holding on to hope is really hard. and i wish this will all be over soon, and they will be released and returned to us. >> do you feel like you're being heard by your government? >> no.

i think fear, anger and revenge are what's leading my government into making their decisions. i think the people in israel, the majority of the people in israel want to see the hostages home. there's no price for human life that were taken from us on october 7. we understand that another deal, hostage deal is the best way to save their lives. and i think my government doesn't believe that. >> would you want another hostage deal if it was a permanent cease fire and hamas still existed? because that's why benjamin netanyahu says he won't take it. >> it's a very hard question.

i was raised in a very peaceful family. i was raised to respect whomever is different from me, to respect all narratives to respect all nationalities. we believe in a two-state solution our entire lives. my cousin believed that as well, her husband believed that as well. and then october 7th happened. and something broke inside me. i feel that hamas stole the narrative of the palestinians, using the narrative of the palestinians and their will for a country of their own. they're disguising themselves. i'm afraid.

i'm afraid. every day i'm afraid. i was afraid as a child when buses exploded in the streets. but i always silenced those voices and i said there are people like me on the other side who just want to leave and exist peacefully. last year, we thought my aunt and uncle were taken as well as hostages for two weeks we believe that shia's parents were taken as well, but eventually we found out they were murdered in their home. it took two weeks to find any remains of them. i don't think that a cease fire should be one-sided. i think hamas should be held responsible and accountable for what happened.

i heard your previous guest talking about benjamin netanyahu, and really not saying any word about the responsibility of sinwar, about the situation, about what happened on october 7th and what's happened ever since then. i think we should separate hamas from the palestinian cause. i'm heartbroken. we didn't deserve this. children with no political point of view, the hostage situation should not be a political issue. it's human crime admitted against us. we just wanted to coexist, and they didn't care. they took whomever they saw.

my cousin was in her pajamas holding her 9-month-old baby and her 4-year-old son. is this how you free palestine? i don't know what's true anymore. this kind of violence, seeing any child hurt in a war. i'm hard broken. but tell me does anyone on the other side know about fear? where are they? propaganda is in europe and in the u.s. does anyone ask anything about what the 101 hostages sinwar knows that if he release all the

hostages today, the world will be over. he knows that. my family is being held as a pawn in this very sick game that i have no control of. i think all people deserve right leaders. >> yifat, i don't want to torture you anymore with this interview. you are in such an emotional state rightfully so, and my heart goes out to you. and i thank you for coming on and speaking your truth and telling us about the pain that your family is in on this terrible anniversary, a day of remembrance, we shouldn't even call it an anniversary.

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october 7th became the deadliest massacre of jewish people since the holocaust, and in many ways, it ripped israel apart. today there are deep divides over the past forward over the war, the hostages, the leadership and the day after. whenever that comes. joining us now from inside of israel, independent journalist noga tarnopolsky. we have had you on now for a year, the aftermath of all the horror we have seen. benjamin netanyahu was in a bad place ahead of the war, politically speaking and the country did not like him. when october 7th happened, there was horror within the country that security could have allowed this to happen, and blame or allegations that he was too focused on his own political issues and court reform as he

called it and not focused enough on security even though he was warned that something like this was brewing. it has been a year since. he's hung on. and he's now waging a lot of wars. he's now fighting hard, bombing a lot of places. how does the country feel about benjamin netanyahu right now? >> that's a tough question. i'll answer first in another way. the way netanyahu feels about the state of israel today is that he didn't dare show his face in any public place today. in commemorations, in a day in which people's hearts were torn out, and there were ceremonies and small rituals all over the country, netanyahu wasn't seen in public. the public does not feel good about him, and it's a really

difficult paradoxical situation because a year ago, as you mentioned, it was seen as this monumental failure on the part of mr. security. which went even beyond his own political standing. netanyahu's doctrine, vis-a-vis hamas was to allow it to enrich itself, to encourage the transfer of hundreds of millions of dollars from qatar to strengthen hamas and thus, in netanyahu's view, weaken the palestinian authority. in the past year, all netanyahu appears to have really achieved concretely is to strengthen his own political hold on the state of israel and people are very afraid of that. >> is there a way to come to an end of this war with netanyahu still in power. is he willing to make a deal? >> at the moment.

it seems that the answer to that question is no. and i say that, you know, with great caution because it's a terrible accusation to make, but at this point, very serious people, former chief of staff of the israeli army, who was a member of netanyahu's emergency government, as long as that lasted, a very serious investigation on an israeli tv channel. all of these have shown that whatever the difficulties of negotiating with hamas, and there are many, that netanyahu himself has stymied every effort to reach a deal as it came close, and the fear is that he thinks that as long as the war lasts, his hold on power will last. >> do you get the sense that he wants a war with iran? i know that's hotly debated right now.

>> it's hard for me to answer that question specifically. i think that netanyahu is at a stage in his life and career in which he will do almost anything to guarantee his hold on power in israel, and we saw that through the so called judicial reform, which was a kind of legislative coup, and until really terrible moments in recent weeks, when it became clear that bringing the hostages home was simply not his priority, that he perceives aggression as a greater -- as a greater priority. so you've seen signs increasingly, including protests tonight that say we want the jews back alive, and we don't want another dead arab. this is a retort to netanyahu's efforts to just apparently kill

the chieftons of every islamic militia. he hasn't done it yet. >> the day after -- it's a hard thing to fathom. the u.s. wants there to be a two-state solution. the jordanian foreign minister told benjamin netanyahu that the arab state surrounding him, he calls it the ring of fire. the jordanian minister said the arab states around him, jordan, egypt, can guarantee israel's safe, and will guarantee israel's safety if the war stops, and the palestinians are put on a path towards state hood. is that something that the israeli public wants? >> you know, it's something that the israeli public shockingly didn't even hear about, and there's so many important details in what you just said.

first of all, to have such an important arab leader as the foreign minister of jordan stand up in public and say we will guarantee israeli security, that's something that i think every israeli head of state, until this moment would have just dreamt of. in a way, it's proof that the state of israel is a viable entity in this region, but that statement was almost not broadcast in israel, barely at all, and when it did come out, it came out sort of as see the rest of the world is talking about this. and it's part of a very sad superficial, i think, israeli coverage. many times when a country is attacked, the media falls in line, kind of rara, and in israel, that absolutely has

happened. there has been very little serious discussion of israel's real predicament. there's been even two little, if you ask me, two little serious discussion of how the netanyahu government is endangering the israeli american alliance, which is certainly as important if not much more important than israel's ties to friendly arab nations. but i think it's undeniable that one of the many israeli losses in the last year is the loss of its diplomatic standing? and as a result, i think israelis aren't even aware that that's out there. >> that's amazing. a source of disagreement to the chagrin of netanyahu, and you have done reporting. noga tarnopolsky thank you very much for today. thank you for every time you have appeared on this show over the past year, and all of the important reporting you have

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governor ron desantis is now giving a briefing. it started a moment ago. let's listen. >> the storm has moved a little slower than projected. but remember, don't get wetted to the cone. there will be impacts far outside the cone. and these cones can shift. and so there's not an approximation that you can hang your hat on about where this storm is going to make landfall. all folks west of the florida peninsula should be prepared for potential major impacts. we have made a pre-landfall declaration request from fema for support, and the federal government has approved a portion of our request for pre-landfall items, and we expect the remaining part of our request subsequent to landfall for debris and individual assistance once the storm hits will also be approved. we currently have 51 counties under a state of emergency. as of 3:00, milton has

strengthened, not just into a major hurricane but a category 5 hurricane, and not just a category 5 hurricane but a very strong 175 mile per hour sustained wind, category 5 hurricane. thousand, there's a lot of uncertainty about what is going to happen in terms of this track. it is predicted that this will weaken, but, you know, it was not predicted that it would get this strong to begin with. so we can hope and pray that it does weaken. as of right now, this is a ferocious hurricane. it is currently a little less than 700 miles southwest of tampa. storm surge watch has been issued for the florida gulf coast from mainland monroe county to the dixie levy county line. possible storm surge forecast to the englewood, including tampa bay. 5 to 10 feet peak storm surge

from yankee town southward and from englewood south ward to bonita beach, including charlotte harbor. those numbers can change and go up in certain areas, depending on how the storm ultimately approaches the florida peninsula. hurricane watches have been issued for portions of west central florida and the nature coast. tropical storm watches extend further south and north through southwest florida and the keys, and along northern florida. the florida division of emergency management is actively addressing storm-related resource requests. they're currently in the process of fulfilling 850 missions. they have deployed everything from sandbags to shelf stable meals, to tens of thousands of water bottles to thousands of tarps. we have sent truckloads of food and water to central florida in preparation for points of distribution site, subsequent to the storm hitting.

we're also coordinating the deployment of more than 2,000 feet of flood protection systems and prioritizing critical infrastructure, like hospitals, waste water treatment facilities, and electrical infrastructure. we have generators deployed to support special needs sheltering. we also have star links deployed. in areas that have asked for that, more than 200 ambulances, and more than 30 para transits are in central florida, ready to support first responder operations as appropriate. state of florida is amassing fuel reserves ahead of milton, and staging it to be utilized as needed. those quantities include 415,000 gallons of diesel, 389,000 gallons of gasoline, and there is, as i mentioned this morning, an additional 1.5 million gallons of both diesel and gasoline that are in route to the state. now, there is currently no fuel shortage in the state of

florida. fuel continues to arrive at florida ports. however, there are long lines at some gas stations, and because you've had a run on gas, there have been gas stations that have run out of fuel, but they are being resupplied with the fuel. we're going to continue to ensure that we have fuel coming. they're still coming with the ports. we have some coming on the ground so people can go. you may be in a line, but if the gas station runs out, there's going to be more fuel on the way. as i've mentioned, we have ramped up support for county debris removal operations. we're working this mission to supplement their mission 24/7, around the clock, and we're going to continue to do that all the way until it is no longer safe to do so. please local officials, these vendors, there's been vendors that they don't necessarily do, and then when there's some sunlight and people see they're not doing, they start to work really hard.

we got to get as much of this taken care of as possible. i know with kevin and with jared putting the state assets to supplement, it has made a really significant difference. we want to continue to do that. those barrier islands like pinellas, manatee, under evacuation orders, people should heed those. once that deadline passes, we're still going to have the debris removal operations ongoing, all the way until we start to hit tropical storm force winds. that's all the rest of today through the night, all day tomorrow, most likely into the beginning of wednesday morning. so i appreciate all the effort that's gone into that on the state. we have deployed just on the state side, to assist with the federal or excuse me, with the local debris mission over 300 dump trucks to help with debris. and in the last 36 hours, state

assets have been able to do 12,000 cubic yards of debris removed from communities and brought to landfill. that's 663 total loads. so that's been a good mobilization. it will make a difference, but we need to keep doing that to mitigate the harm that could happen once the storm goes. florida national guard, state guard, official fdot personnel, and florida highway patrol are all engaged in that debris mission. for the storm, we have 5,000 national guardsmen that have been mobilized, and we will have, before the storm hits, another 3,000 national guardsmen that will be on duty. we're also deploying major heavy equipment to assist with debris removaland, of course, the national guard will be a big part of any search and rescue that needs to happen as well as helping set up our points of distribution. these debris and landfill sites are open not just from state assets or from the local debris

contractors, but for private individuals and citizens. and so if you've got a pickup truck, you load debris up, we want you to go and do that. i know we've had issues. >> all right. that is governor ron desantis right now giving an update on the path of the storm and the preparations the state is making right now, hoping that it does calm down, that it weakens, but so far it has strengthened now to a category 5. joining us, jesse kirsch in sarasota, florida. jesse, what are you seeing there? >> reporter: yes, so one of the things the governor is talking about is debris removal that's going to be going on around the clock. behind me i'll have our photographer push in. that is a boat that is partially submerged off the coast of sarasota. that is the impact of helene. i'm looking off to my right here. you can't see it from my vantage point, but there is another boat tipped over in the brush.

there is multiple boats still in place and effectively now large pieces of debris. you see shattered glass on the ground after cleanup crews have come in. you're talking about a potential storm that's going to be bringing potentially 100-mile-per-hour wind gusts on a good day. on a day when you haven't had a hurricane, that's concerning, having debris flying around. you're talking about that much more that could be in the air, taking off, becoming projectiles when the storm hits. we're also talking about a place that will have storm surges twice as high. this is large population center, and so that is another thing to be keeping an eye on is the impact along the coastline from the storm. we always say you hide from the wind, you run from the water. people are being told to evacuate from barrier island areas. this is not something to be playing with. as the governor is talking about, we're looking at a very serious hurricane headed for the gulf coast.

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following up from the hamas attack and everything that's happened next has contributed to a particularly toxic and hateful year here in the united states. c.a.r.e. has reported so many cases. strife and violent confrontations have dominated and roiled ivy league universities. angry individuals have ripped down or vandalized hostage posters in cities around the country. and according to the adl, a spike in anti-sem missic incidents, 10,000 since 2023, up from 3,325 in the year before.

joining us now, iman and yair. i'm really happy to have both of you on. we have talked about this a lot over the past year, not as much as i would have liked to. talk about what this country is going through from the reporting you've done, the conversations that you've had? >> i mean, i think it's a country grappling with two very important issues. one domestic, depending on which community you talk to, there are big swaths of this country watching foreign policy and watching that there is a huge disconnect between values we claim to hold and fail to uphold and the actions that the american government is doing, and specifically it's the kind of unfetterred, unconditional support that the united states has provided israel over the course of the past not just one year, but ore the course of

decades, but specifically this one year because of what they've seen on the ground in gaza and now in lebanon has caused so much pain and anger, not just in specific communities like arab and muslim communities but for a lot of people who wanted to see different values. >> there's been an impact as well on a number of people in the arab community like in michigan, that they don't support the democrats any longer and either moved to not voting at all or some saying donald trump couldn't be much worse snietd's a very dangerous time. i've been speaking to people on my show about this. there's a large muslim advocacy action here. they've come out and endorsed kamala. others have withheld their endorsement. they wanted to see more specific steps from the vice president as a candidate before she comes into office if she does ultimately win. the position they've taken is she's part of the biden

administration, but they recognize there's only one president at a time, and the president has more, if you will, control over foreign policy than a vice president. they've been wanting to give her that leeway because they know how dangerous donald trump is, because they know how bad he is for the country and the community and care about. but at the same time, she's changed her views on so many issues and saying this is a new path forward. they feel, to those that i've spoken to, the leaders in the community, that she's not seg nalled enough change or any change in a departure in american policy. >> then on the american jew's side, there's the feeling that donald trump is better for israelis and israel than the democrats are. i'm not painting with a broad brush. there's definitely divisions within american perception as well. but politically speaking, this is an issue, yair, that has

roiled parties on both ends of it. >> the reason it's roiled both parties is the overall party of american jews have voted for democrats. they're going to do so again. we'll see what the market looks like. they see themselves not just, you know, there's that, but whatever feeling you have on an american jew, you yourself can be under assault or under attack in america and be held to account for things going on in the middle east, and they want to see the party and the progressives and liberals in politics, their friends, stand up for them and say, that's not okay. >> there's been a lot of writers who have come out and said there have been allowances to say it's okay to be anti-semitic, what we're seeing in gaza and in lebanon. >> on this topic, i've seen a

permission structure being equated to allow people to justify or even celebrate mass jewish death, which is horrifying and has no connection to the palestinian cause or palestinian sovereignty and statehood. putting those two together is toxic for that cause. it's also true that american yous perceive sem lar structures being created of the american right, and they see comments by tucker carlson, these sorts of things going on, right, that there's a long -- you know, there's a long line of trump whisperers who have these sorts of ideas and views that have grown more to the central power as trump himself has become more powerful. they see these as foreboding developments. >> trump himself blaminging jews if he loses the election. this is the part i also struggle with, when you see somebody like

donald trump who has been described as an anti-semite in what he says and values. when he comes out and he says, you know, if i lose, it's because of your fault. >> it's because of the jews. >> yeah. when he says, your country, in reference to israel, i think that's dangerous and it comes to a rise of anti-semitism that you're seeing. >> i've got to go. it's the end of the show. coming up, nicolle wallace starts next. thank you for joining us on this terrible day. that's going to do it for me. ""deadline: white house"" starts right now. ♪ ♪ hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york. there's no shortage of big news stories to cover today. in just a few minutes,