described as an anti-semite in what he says and values. when he comes out and he says, you know, if i lose, it's because of your fault. >> it's because of the jews. >> yeah. when he says, your country, in reference to israel, i think that's dangerous and it comes to a rise of anti-semitism that you're seeing. >> i've got to go. it's the end of the show. coming up, nicolle wallace starts next. thank you for joining us on this terrible day. that's going to do it for me. ""deadline: white house"" starts right now. ♪ ♪ hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york. there's no shortage of big news stories to cover today. in just a few minutes, vice

president kamala harris and second gentleman doug emhoff will commemorate the victims and hostages of that devastating attack. we'll bring those remarks live as soon as they get under way. we begin with the 2024 presidential demain now roiled by a deadly disaster in a republican nominee who is defined by his never-ending penchant for lying. here's what vice president harris said to describe donald trump in a podcast last night. >> this guy is full of lies. i mean, i just have to be very candid with you. you know, in my career, from the time i got out of law school through most of my career as a prosecutor, i understood that the words that i spoke and what i did with those words would be the difference between whether somebody was charged with a crime or went to prison, maybe prison for life.

when i was attorney general, i was the top law enforcement officer of the biggest state in the country, and i was acutely aware that the words i spoke could be the difference between whether a corporation was in business or out of business, that the words i spoke could move markets. the idea that somebody is not only cares and irresponsible and reckless but out and out lies, to create fear and division in our country i, and thinks he should be president of the united states, standing behind the seal? of the president of the united states? using the microphone that comes with that? and using that voice and those words in such an irresponsible -- and that's mild -- way?

and this is why this election matters. >> now, what the vice president was responding to was a question about trump using really heinous disinformation to deflect from his record on reproductive rights. her call to use the bully pulpit matters more than ever as millions of americans seek to recover from hurricane helene and millions more brace for another hurricane to hit florida this week. while we are conditioned -- well, let's listen to the vice president. in a few moments, doug and i will plant a tree here on the grounds of the residence of the vice president of the united states, and we dedicate this tree to the 1,200 innocent souls in an act of pure evil on october 7th, 2023, who were massacred by hamas terrorists. 46 of our fellow americans were killed in this brutal terrorist

attack, including a singer from missouri who died shielding her son from bullets, and academic and peace activist who studied in seattle and who is the grandson of holocaust survivors, and a dancer from california who was killed alongside her fiance while attending the nova music festival. i'm devastated by the pain and loss that occurred on october 7th, and doug and i pray for the family and loved ones of all of those who were lost, and may their memories be a blessing. today i know many jews will be recritesing or reflecting on the jewish prayer for mourning, the qudsish, the words of the prayer

are not about death. it is a prayer about our enduring belief in god even in our darkest moments. so as we reflect on the horrors of october 7th, let us please be reminded that we cannot lose faith. the jewish rabbi wrote, and i quote, religion begins with a consciousness that something is asked of us. so in this moment on the one-year commemoration of october 7th, what is asked of us? what is asked of us? first and foremost, i believe that we must never forget.

i will never forget october 7th, and the world must never forget what is asked of us. we must work to ensure nothing like the horrors of october 7th can ever happen again. and on this solemn day, i will restate my pledge to always ensure that israel has what it needs to defend itself and that i will always work to ensure the safety and security of the jewish people here and around the world. what is asked of us. we must reunite the hostages held in gaza with their families, and i will never stop fighting for the release of all the hostages, including the american citizens living and deceased.

oman, hidan, sagi, keith, judy, god, and etay. what is asked of us. we must uphold the commitment to repair the world, an idea that has been passed on throughout generations of the jewish people and across many faiths. and to that end, we must work to relieve the immense suffering of innocent palestinians in gaza who have experienced so much pain and loss over the year. what is asked of us. we must continue to see light amidst the darkness. as the late rabbi jonathan sax said, a people that can walk through the valley of the shadow of death and still rejoice is a people that cannot be defeated by any force or fear.

that is why today we plant a pomegranate tree, which in judaism is a symbol of hope and righteousness. so for years to come, this pomegranate tree will stand here, spreading its roots and growing stronger to remind future vice presidents of the united states, their families, and all who pass through these grounds not only of the horror of october 7th but the strength and the endurance of the jewish people. it will remind us all not to abandon the goal of peace, dignity, and security for all, and it will remind us all to always have faith. thank you. and i will now turn it over to the second gentleman, my husband

doug. >> thank you. as we gather here today on what was the deadliest day for jewish people since the holocaust, i'm still filled with pain and despair. this is an incredibly challenging day for jews around the world, myself included. october 7th hit us hard as a community. we are still hurting. and today feels just as raw as it did one year ago. what happened on october 7th is seared into our souls. i can't stop thinking about the hostages and their families and all of those we've lost over the past year. earlier today i attended "ajc"'s

national october 7th memorial commemoration at 6 and i, and i recited a prayer for peace, that we all see the day soon when this war and bloodshed come to an end. as the first jewish spouse of an american president or vice president, i take this role very seriously. kamala is the one who encouraged me to use my platform i have to fight against anti-semitism and hate. she's also the person who encouraged me to lean into my jewish faith. when we first moved into this residence, we affixed a ma ziz za on the door post with our family present. now as we prepare to leave a legacy of our time here, we plant this pomegranate tree to honor this solemn day and for the families who will come after us to enjoy. this is the first tree we've planted since we moved in here,

and it will be the firstfruits tree ever planted by a second family at the residence. kamala and i are proud to continue the tradition with a symbolic meaning for every family who's lived here and will live here, and it is especially meaningful to me that this property will now always commemorate the pain of the jewish people as well as the resilience and hope of the jewish people. may the memories of those we've lost be a blessing, thank you.

we're watching vice president kamala harris. it looks like she's fielded a question from the press pool there during this event from the observatory. she wasn't close enough to hear what they said. we'll try to turned that around for you. vice president kamala harris and second gentleman douglas emhoff at a somber event marking the one-year anniversary of the brutal hamas terrorist attack on

israel, the deadliest massacre of jewish people since the holocaust and the dead will iest day since their 76-year history. more than 1,200 men, women, children, and infants were killed by the terrorist group including 46 americans. more than 250 hostages were taken on that day. and roughly 100 still remain in captivity, including at least seven americans. more than 43 are believed to have lost their lives. along the highway, a human chain calling for more to be done for the safe secure release of the hostages as well as many come membership racings around the globe including here in the united states from new york to los angeles, and in d.kr678d, a group of volunteers set up a table with empty chairs and signs with the names and photos of the hostages. at the white house, president joe biden along with first lady dr. jill biden lit a candle in

remembrance of the victims. president joe biden also spoke with the israeli president, reiteraing his commitment to the safety and security of israel and the israeli people and to the peace in gaza and the end of suffering for the palestinians and civilians. sitting along with me at the table is mara gay, former senator and head of msnbc's podcast, claire mccaskill, and donny deutsch is here. donny. >> it's a really tough day, honestly, and it's a tough day as the backdrop of manhattan and all around are protesters instead of a day that should be a memorial day, more happying violence. i was on "joe" this morning with very prominent rabbis. in this tragedy, which we don't

have to talk about the vileness of it that we know, there has been about a lot that has happened as a jew. i'm talking on a personal level. i'm not someone who's overly religious. you got so in touch with your history and so proud to be a jew, but i've never felt more bullish as a jew, more prouder, or more hopeful, and i think out of this tragedy, this kind of group identity that has happened, there's a light there. there's a light there. >> say more. >> it's been really hard. it's been really hard. i understand what people -- for the first time in my life, i felt like -- the president has not been doing anything. and the ex-president, if we lose, it's the jew's fault,

you're not a good jew. we've been a very flourishing group in this country, and the holocaust seems like it was over there somewhere. i think what happened -- and i talked about this with you -- in our gut, something very primal happen. wait a second, this didn't happen 500 years ago. this happened 80 years ago. i said this before, one of my friends talked about the holocaust. and i just, as i said, through this strategy, i know myself as a jew, i've never been more in touch with my jewishness, so there's a blessing that comes out of that. >> to hear doug emhoff to give voice to that, to say i'm still filled with pain and despair, i think, is an important way to articulate the ongoingness of it. i read barry weiss's piece too.

it's still unfolding, including seven americans. >> feign doesn't go away. we follow what happens in the news every day. israel will do what it needs to do to defend itself and make sure they're safe, and this is the world we'll continue to live. there's no solution to this. there's -- what -- every scenario you play out, this and this and this and this, and i also want to say sometimes some jewish people get upset when they'll give speeches and they'll say, we pray for the safety of palestinian unoh sent people. that's a very jewish thing to do, to care about the other. that's okay. it doesn't nullify your devout commitment to the jewish cause and to the preservation of judaism. it's okay to care about the other. that's what judaism is all about. >> every israeli family member of a hostage who i interviewed on this program prayed for the

civilians living in gaza. >> yes, yes. >> i mean, from their own sort of pain and despair. >> yeah, yeah. so that's okay. i just pray. i just pray. i pray every night. i hug my children every night. i say we're going to keep mizzou da's on the street, we're going to keep praying for everybody's safety. >> the vice president handing over the podium to her husband to make this history together was a moment. >> yeah, and i thought it was appropriate that she gave him -- typically it's the highest ranking official that speaks last. she was the warmup for doug today, and i think it was her way of putting a line under, that his pain, while she has a lot of pain about what happened to the israelis who were massacred a year ago, she knows

his pain is deeply rooted in his faith, in his jewish faith, and i think she wanted to recognize that, and i thought it was a sweet moment. >> we are at a moment where the coping mechanisms and the shorthands and the politics require us to zero sum all of this and to view it as inconsistent, to stand with the victims of the terrorist attack and grieve just as deeply for the innocent civilians who have lost their lives in gaza, but it feels like there's some space being created to hold those two thoughts in our head at once. >> i think so. and, by the way, that's called humanity, and that's why i think it's so disappointing that we have a major party in this country that's nominated a man for president that is devoid of that humanity. he has a great deal of difficulty expressing anything that is not self-promoting.

he has a great deal of difficulty expressing the kind of pain that i think the vice president and her husband expressed today. he always has to make it about dividedness and something ugly and the notion that he is saying to everyone of jewish faith that somehow if you don't vote for him, you're not jewish. >> you're a bad jew. >> you're a bad jew. you're a bad jew. >> and if he loses -- >> -- it's your fault. it's the jew's fault. >> because we don't have enough targets on our heads in history. >> it's, frankly, astounding to me that that is normal for him. it's astounding. >> and that it's been normalized by, you know -- >> -- everything else. >> -- his followers.

mari, i feel like you're always here on these very difficult days, sort of holding these deep wounds in a conversation at the same time. this has, though, anyone that works at a college campus, goes to school on a college campus is living with this wound, this injury, this pain that doug emhoff gave voice to as well as the voice that donny gave to. >> i grew up in new york city, in westchester, and then i went to the university of michigan, and in every place i have lived my entire life, there has been a large flourishing beautiful jewish community, and i've spent many a friday night at shabbat dinner. i have friends who have lost loved ones on october 7th, and my entire life and when i was a child, i actually grew up hearing stories about the holocaust from my friends' grandparents who were survivors of that holocaust. they came to our school, and i don't know how many more

generations are going to get that experience. this is part of the immediacy of making sure we fight anti-semitism. but what i do know is that it's been very clear to me that jewish people are seen as outsiders around the world, and i think what was so powerful today for me personally was seeing a -- you know, a front-runner for president who is holding the office of vice president and her husband, you know, at the center of power, at the most powerful nation in the world say actually, i'm going to affirm the humanity of the jewish people, and they are insiders, and i think the more we see one another as human beings and as insiders, everyone has a seat at the table. the harder it's going to be for people like donald trump to come along and take our things and

divide them among us. to me, to hear the second gentleman talk about his mizzou za, i can't think of anything more fitting to establish and reaffirm the americanness of the jewish people than that, so that just makes me really happy. >> that was great. >> that was really nice, right? >> it's true. >> i want to share some of the news that was made. when we first came out of the event from the naval observatory, it looked like the vice president was answering a question. we couldn't hear it, but this is what the pool reports. she was asked if it's possible to get a cease-fire deal before the election, and this is not a very bait, but her answers were along the lines of this. we're not going to give up on everything we can possibly do to get the cease-fire and hostage deal done. it's one of the most important ways to get this war to end and bring stability to this region. she wept onto to say it's one of the highest priorities of this

administration. i'll give you the last word. >> last word. i'm speechless. i'm a little drained. >> it's a lot. >> it is a lot. i think mara said it beautifully. i just -- i just pray for everybody. just pray. i ran out of stuff to say. >> my other -- i guess we'll give dougie the last word. no, it was the vice president who talked about staying in the light. i asked the justice how she survived the brutal murder of her son. she said she made her way toward the light every morning and every day after that. when you hear vice president harris talk about staying in the light, it's pretty profound. >> all right. we're going to sneak in a break. when we come back, we're going to turn back to our top stories and politics and the ex-president's dissemination and how it's affecting our fellow americans and the efforts and the all hands on deck for those

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as of today, what's been the assistance? >> we're giving assistance, everything they need. >> they always work hard. >> and you see this rush of

local officials, tema, fema, to the federal, the state, the local emergency management agencies, local county mail yores with tears in their eyes out there serving their people. >> we're grateful for the quick actions and close communications that we've had with the president and with the fema team. >> we have been, sean, i have to say, working well with fema. they have been working very quickly over the last few days for us. >> president biden, thank you for coming. thank you for paying attention to our needs. we've had a good working relationship between the federal government. >> so over here where up is up and down is down, all those were republicans except one. even lindsey graham, trump's super fan, with nothing but the facts, and that is to praise the biden administration's handling of hurricane helene and its response because as we mentioned about donald trump on earth 2

come astor end of lies. hurricane milton is set to hit florida in less than 48 hours. here's what transportation secretary pete buttigieg had to say about misinformation coming from the right. >> it can have a real cost for people on the ground who are already dealing with so much. you know, it's right up there with making sure people have access to transportation, making sure people get their power back on, making sure communications come back. another part of that is making sure you can get good, accurate, and useful information. unfortunately that has become in many ways more difficult than the current digital information environmental. and so it's become more important than ever to have trusted and reliable sources. we've worked to make sure that information that gets to users, for example, state 5-1-1 systems, and then for responders, we set up a router assistance hotline so if you're

involved in an emergency operation, you can get a call about data where a road might actually be open and available or out of service where a road is taken out. when you look online, a lot of it seems to be driven by politics, and that is actively harming and disrupting. the process of getting back to normal for so many people whose lives were upended by this awful storm. >> for any of us who wonder how low they'll go, we're starting to have an answer to that, and it's scary. there's a lot to talk about on the disinformation front, but we'll start with the facts and what's happening on the ground and the areas impacted by the coming storm. the department of defense, major the department of defense, major patrick ryder joining us from the pentagon. just share with us what you would like people to know about the storm that is incoming, what assets are being deployed by the pentagon. >> well, first of all, thanks so much for having me, and thanks so much for putting a spotlight

on this incoming storm and ensuring that people are having timely information about what's about to transpire here. we're obviously watching this storm very closely, working lockstep with fema, the federal, state, local agencies to be prepared for when the storm makes landfall, from a department of defense standpoint. of course, we want to do that in coordination, sin conization with fema and other agencies that are leading the effort on this to make sure that we do it in a smart and concerted way. capabilities that we are prepared to support include search and rescue, route clearance, transportation of important commodities like food and water, and, of course, central to all of this, of course, is our national guards, which support our states so well. so, again, we're going to continue to stay in very frequent ongoing communication as the storm gets closer and keep all those in its path in

our thoughts and prayers. >> major general, do you have any sort of -- with sort of all the credibility of not just the federal government but the pentagon and the united states military, do you have any advice for where we tell people to get their information and what information should be trusted since the secretary of transportation pointed out there's so much disinformation for people readily available who may be making life-and-death situations whether or not to trust an evacuation warning, for example? >> i'm sure. as you see in crises and contingencies around the world, getting accurate information is always a challenge, especially as communication nodes are impacted. and so in this particular case as was highlighted, you've got fema, you've got federal, state, local agencies that are working very hard to make sure that we have the facts, that we're

responding to the right places as quickly as possible. so i would encourage folks to go to those official sources, whether they be online or whether they be in the local communities, and as they look at information, make sure you're getting most accurate information. from the department of defense standpoint, we're going to continue do what we can at all echelons to push information out, and that includes obviously engagements like this, talking to the media, which plays such an important role in getting information quickly to the public. >> and can you just -- you know, for the record, tell us if there's anything that's been requested that hasn't been granted, if there's any offer that has been made that hasn't been received. >> you know, i'm not aware of anything at this point that we haven't supported. of course, this is a very fluid situation. right now, for example, in north carolina, we've deployed upward

of 1,500tive-duty soldiers to deliver food and water, root clearance, air transportation. on top of that, of course, you have the u.s. army corps of engineers who have set up 12 emergency operation centers throughout the areas impacted by hurricane helene, three of those in north carolina itself. and then as i mentioned earlier, you know, our national guard, over 6,100 national guard from 18 different states that are just doing phenomenal work across the board to help their communities. i would just add again the important work is these are our fellow americans, and we're going to be laser focused on doing everything we can to work with fema, federal,ste, local authorities to be integrated and be helped wherever they can to be asked. >> major general rider, it's really -- it's a privilege to get to talk to you at such a busy time. i'm sure for all of you and your colleagues, thank you for your

time. we're grateful. >> thank you, i appreciate it. just so important for the administration to have the people doing the work and the people in the community at a time when the disinformation is -- you know, i think i asked this question in 2017. i said -- i wrote it myself. the bottom was calling and wanted to know if i was there yet. how stupid was i? >> you said, how low can we go? not only to exploit tragedy, but to turn it upside down and lie about it -- nicolle, i asked you. what is the first thing we teach our children. we'll let you get away with anything, but just tell us the truth. just tell us the truth. half of this country, 43% of this country, 46% of this country does not hold our president to a standard that we hold a 5-year-old to, and it is just -- the ones that don't know any better, okay, you don't know anybody, you live in an echo

chamber. the ones that hear the lies, oh, this is crazy, how bankrupt are you? how morally bankrupt are you? this election -- i talked to you, we're going to have to deal with who you are. >> we're going to have to talk with elon. not just elon, but the silly ones, donald trump, someone will have to explain that to me. i want to understand the business model. the rewards, one of the biggest human on the planet to destroy lives at a moment of genuine natural disaster crisis. >> his irresponsibility is, frankly, astounding, in light of the fact he has a board, this company, in light of the fact he departnt of defense.he

elon musk's company is responsible for going into some of the most sensitive equipment and he's doing this nonsense. nicolle, trump has eroded the trust in institutions so severely that i've enthe most bizarre lies take root. let's look at some he's told about the disaster. this one's my favorite. that the federal government is blocking aid coming to the people in north carolina, blocking it, and seizing it for their own use, and this one's really a doozy. don't claim any problem with your property because the federal government's going to seize your property. they're going to take your property. now, on what planet do these people believe that the federal government has any interest in seizing their property?

it is crazy. elon musk is part of it. he's a platform for it. this is local news channels all over the country. they're repeating elon musk's claims on x that the federal government, the government is blocking aid to communities. >> i think the motives are pretty obvious, but that one has really broken through in the right wing infosphere. >> anyone in the hurricane country knows that's bs. $750 is the check they cut right away that you can get food and water and housing and gas. it is not all you get when you've been devastated by a hurricane. >> unfortunately there's a lot more to tell about this story and we'll bring mara in, but i

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you know, people need resources, and we need them to get into the system. and it's -- it's just, you know, a shame that people are sitting home on their comfortable couches while people are here on the ground leaving their families to help those in need. >> i need to make sure we have the resources to get them where needed. and when you have this dangerous rhetoric like you're hearing, it creates fears in our own employees, and we need to get help to those who need it. >> i wish i wouldn't be surprised at how deep the rot goes by donald trump. i was surprised about this story. it took a couple of days to read into this disinformation on the right and to see the head of fema having to respond to questions like that to me is insane. >> i mean, the reason that the fema administrator said this is dangerous is because, you know, we have another storm approaching right now. just imagine a scenario in which

you have been told you cannot trust the government and then the government tells you you need to evacuate your home. >> yeah, that's why i asked the question. >> that's the right question because i think sowing distrust of government is dangerous for this -- it misses the immediate fraught of that. i mean, there are people who say, well, if they're not going to help, they're corrupt. i'm not going to ask for help. i'm not going to apply for a loan i need. i'm not going to trust people when they literally come to my door to try to help evacuate me or my family or my pets. this could be putting first responders in danger, and it's going to stop americans from getting help they need. it's also meant to divide americans at a time when so many people need help, and that just shows the cynicism underneath this all because ultimately for the people who are disseminating this misinformation and disinformation, i don't believe

they give a fig about the people waiting for help right now. that's just collateral damage, pawns in their larger scheme to make sure that donald trump gets into the white house. god only knows, you know, russians or others who are amplifying this information -- misinformation. but i just think it's so cynical, and it's completely unnecessary. there are publicer is vajts right now who are literally knocking on people's doors, putting their own lives at risk trying to help americans, and this is the response. so how do you say you're for america when you're spreading these lies? and elon musk's role in this is something unfortunately we're going to have to come back to. >> yeah, i think we're going to have to deal with him for a little bit. claire, having been on -- i mean, all the committees you've served, politics has fell by the wayside. that doesn't seem to be the moment we're in. >> disaster relief was always a

nonpartisan oasis, a bipartisan effort. >> you talk about president obama. >> exactly. you saw recently republicans divided in the house, even defunding fema prior to this hurricane. you saw trump when he was in office trying to cut emergency management money. the fight for funding, ted cruz was always against funding for disasters when it was for louisiana or for new jersey, and then it came time for texas and he was like all in. but he was an exception. typically everybody understood, you know, we have tornados in missouri. everybody under disasters can happen in any state and that's when we need to knit this thing together. that's when we need to be the united states. we need to respond to our people in need. i think he has done -- as he's

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thank you. >> in the grand scheme of donald trump's neverending circus of a presidency this was actually among the subtler, slightly less nauseating footnotes of statesmanship, believe it or not. hamburg, 2017. a year before the infamous disaster of the meeting and press conference in helsinki. but "the new york times" today identifies that moment as a vital touchstone in donald trump's understanding of and political grudge with our allies, our democratic friends and allies in ukraine. through some extraordinary new forensic reporting made up of interviews with american and european officials and allies of donald trump as well acts and memoirs that have been written, the "times" today stitches together trump's evolution before and after that flashpoint we showed you in hamburg. the result, not a history lesson but a grave predictor. a warning really.

that as much as we the american people have on the line in a few weeks so too do our closest allies across the globe. joining our conversation investigative reporter for the "new york times" mark mazzetti's here. his byline is on that piece of reporting. tell us what you have reported. >> well, as you mentioned, the infamous summit in helsinki is what people remember because the press conference between trump and putin happened and trump famously said, you know, he didn't necessarily believe the american intelligence agencies versus putin on who disrupted the 2016 election. but in the context of the ukraine war, everything that has happened since, and the question of what trump would do for the ukraine war if he were president, the hamburg summit is quite significant because as we report it is the hamburg summit and the months leading up to it where trump's views on ukraine start to take shape. and it starts from a sort of political grudge where people in

his camp started to believe that it was the ukrainians, not the russians who had disrupted the 2016 election, were doing it for hillary clinton. but then vladimir putin sort of seizes the moment and takes that political grudge and sort of adds a geopolitical layer on to it. so at the hamburg summit in july of 2017 he sort of attacks and he sort of feeds trump's neuroses about ukraine saying it's a fabricated country. trump asked him whether he thought the united states should give weapons to ukraine. and putin said that's a bad idea because the ukrainians will just take more of whatever you give them. so we looked at the hamburg summit because if we wanted to look at what trump might do as president with ukraine, and of course we know about the impeachment phone call, we looked at that as a sort of formative period. >> what is it that is sort of clearer now heading into his third try at this in terms of not just his affinity for putin but his trust in putin over

every traditional american ally? >> yeah, i think that there's sort of many different dynamics. so when the period we started looking at, which is the summer of 2016, which was during his campaign and he'd already shown this sort of affinity for authoritarians, right? including putin. and of course this was the time that there was questions about whether the russians were aiding donald trump. so this fed into an insecurity that he wasn't -- he didn't become a legitimate president. up to that point when he talked about ukraine it was much more in the line of the america first mindset, which is why do we care about this country? why are european countries like the germans freeloading off the united states? doesn't matter. but it becomes a lot darker as we get closer to the election and then into the next year, which is that not only is this insignificant, it's actually an enemy of me and my movement because they're supporting my enemies. so what we've seen actually most

recently is things blow up between him and zelenskyy. when zelenskyy comes to the united states, goes to pennsylvania, trump calls it a sort of political rally. and trump's rhetoric actually becomes i think even darker still in the last couple weeks. because if you look at his rallies since the zelenskyy meeting, the zelenskyy trip, he really actually has started to blame zelenskyy for the war. so the war that has devastated his country. he basically says, as he said in one rally in north carolina, which was that zelenskyy could have taken a deal, like vladimir putin was on his doorstep and the guy just refused to cut a deal. and so it's in effect his fault. you see the rhetoric change over time up until a few weeks before the election. >> and just really, really quick, what is the degree of alarm in ukraine and among our allies about a second trump term? >> well, certainly among american allies, nato allies there is a great deal of concern. it's all out there in public. right? what he says. he basically has said and

continues to say he'll cut a deal on day one. right? there will be peace. and we know that the contours of that peace deal would be very favorable -- >> ukrainian surrender. >> yes. and the ukrainians are being very careful. zelenskyy is very diplomatic. he looked extremely uncomfortable in that press conference he had with trump. trump basically indicated that, you know, he's going to push him to a deal. so we'll see. but there's a lot of alarm. >> it's really important new reporting. thank you for being here to talk about it. >> thank you. >> i feel like there's another hour on it that we could do. bring out all of the old players you certainly stitched together one of the darkest periods as you said of trump's presidency. thank you. >> thank you. >> mara, it for being here. claire, thank you for being here. done donny, i know it's a hard day. thank you for being here. >> thank you for always teeing it up. >> real men do what you did. i love it. up next what we've all been watching slowly unfold. donald trump's public speeches becoming more and more

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they didn't correct her once, and they corrected me, everything i said practically. i think nine times or 11 times. and the audience was absolutely -- they went crazy. >> venezuelan killers, street gangs occupying the town with mk47s. i know that gun very well. i got to know it very well. i've become an expert on guns. quickly. >> the nuclear is the biggest single problem the world has, not global warming, where the ocean will rise 1/8 of an inch in the next 500 years. you know, these people are crazy. the biggest problem we have is nuclear warming. >> none of those things are a thing. but we'll get there. hi, everyone. it's now 5:00 in new york.

29 days to go, folks, until election day in america. voting is already under way in many places. and alarms are sounding at a deafening level now over the disgraced twice impeached four times indicted ex-president and his increasingly disconnected from reality rambling, difficult to track, downright disturbing public statements. let the record show quickly it is an ak-47, not an mk47. nuclear warming isn't a thing. and as "the new york times" points out, quote, the debate was held in an empty hall. no one, quote, went crazy as trump put it because no one was there, end quote. peter baker of the "new york times" writes this, quote, anyone can misremember, of course, but the debate had been just a week earlier at the time mr. trump made those remarks and a fairly memorable moment, and it was hardly the only time trump has seemed confused, forgetful, incoherent or

disconnected from reality lately. and so given that donald trump is now the oldest major party nominee for president in history and would be the oldest president ever if he were to win, "the new york times" did a comprehensive analysis of donald trump's public appearances and how they have deteriorated and morphed over time. they found this. quote, signs of change since trump first took the political stage in 2015. quote, he has always been discursive and has often been untethered to truth. but with the passage of time his speeches have grown darker, harsher, longer, angrier, less focused, more profane, and increasingly fixated on the past. quote, donald trump rambles. he repeats himself. he roams from thought to thought, some of them hard to understand. some of them unfinished. some of them factually fantastical. he voices outlandish claims that seem to be made up out of whole cloth. he digresses into bizarre

tangents about golf, about sharks, about his own beautiful body, end quote. and you don't have to take our word for it or the analysis from the "new york times." you can listen for yourself. >> sunbathing on the beach. you have never seen a body so beautiful. much better than -- much better than sleepy joe. >> they were like rambo. like putting a million rambos. sylvester stallone is my friend. but it's like putting a million rambos -- somebody explained that to me. >> we're bringing a big actor and you look and say he's got no muscle content. he's got no muscle. we need a little muscle. then they bring in another one. but he's got a weak face. he looks weak. >> oh, there's a fly. oh, i wonder where the fly came from. see? two years ago i wouldn't have had a fly up here. >> while none of us will ever unsee that mental image of donald trump sunbathing at the

beach, this analysis by the "new york times" raises an urgent question for voters less than a month out from the election. a question about his among many, many other concerns, about his cognitive ability and basic competence. one study cited by the "times" found this. quote, mr. trump's speech complexity was significantly lower than that of the average president over american history. the "times'" analysis found that, quote, mr. trump speaks at a fourth-grade level. again, significantly lower than other modern american presidents. 29 days to go. that's where we start the hour with some of our favorite reporters and friends. chief white house correspondent for the "new york times" peter baker is here. he is bylined on that rather stunning piece of reporting. with me at the table for the hour former assistant u.s. attorney and president of a leadership conference on civil and human rights, maya wiley's here. and distinguished political scholar and professor at princeton university, eddie glaude is here. peter baker, take us through

what you've reported. >> well, i mean, you've done a pretty good job of summing up of it. thank you for reading some of the article. but we wanted to go back and look at the questions about trump's age in part because they were obscured for a long time by questions about biden's age. of course president biden three years older. he presents physically in a more frail way. he had trouble walking. obviously people saw that debate. he kind of seemed to freeze up at times, had a hard time speaking. but that doesn't mean that there aren't issues also with former president trump, who's 78 and would be 82 at the end of his second term. now-e doesn't present the same way obviously as president biden. he does seem to have more energy. he does seem to speak more loudly and bombastically. but if you listen to what he's saying, which is what i did for the story, go back and watch rally after rally, speech after speech, especially going back ten years, you really see a whole different way of communicating. it's much more accentuated. you used some of the statistics. uses much more all or nothing

language. uses more negative words than positive words. he's speaking twice as long as he did when he first got on the stage eight years ago, nine years ago. his rallies, he's doing fewer of them. only about 1/4 as many as he did in 2016. and he's using a lot more profbt. one of my favorite statistics from our study is he uses 69% more curse words today. which some people might recall is a sign perhaps of something called disinhibition. that's what the experts call it. disinhibition when you lose your inhibitions later in life. it's even important to us to take a look and see what consequences we can see if there are any of age on former president trump. >> i mean, disinhibition is an interesting word. it correlates with a lot of other age-related degenerative conditions as well. it's fascinating. i just want to ask you to say a little bit more about the extraordinary effort that's undertaken here. and i know that in the climate in which we all operate there's been a real appetite, probably since the summer, to see this

kind of reporting. and i think when the "times" does something they go deep. i want to read some of those numbers that you just shared with us. quote, according to a computer analysis by the "new york times" trump's rally speeches now last an average of 82 minutes compared with 45 in '16. proportionately he uses 13% more all or nothing terms like always and never than he did eight years ago, which some experts consider a sign of advancing age. similarly he uses 32% more negative words than positive words compared with 21% in '16. which can be another indicator of cognitive change. and he uses swear words, as you just said, 69% more often than he did when he first ran, a trend that could reflect what experts call disinhibition. i wonder if you could take all that data and what you see and mash it up against the moment where you've got this disinhibited person spreading lies that endanger the lives of people living in hurricane zones. >> well, i think that's a good point in the sense that look,

disinhibition might be one thing if it's your father or your grandfather or your grandmother, and so forth. when you're talking to them about what they can do in retirement. what we're talking about here is of course the most powerful position in the country if not the world. and you're right. disinhibition, if it results in more falsehoods or lies or misleading statements has real consequence, right? we see that as you say in these hurricane zones where misinformation right now is confusing a lot of residents. they're being told things that are not true about migrants, will federal aid and so forth. and it's muddying up the waters, if you will, about what really needs to be done to help people down there. and that's something that obviously voters will or will not take into account as they choose to. and it is true of course that president trump, former president trump has long been, you know, a discursive speaker. it's not new in that sense. but it does seem to be more pronounced as he is getting older. >> let me read one more quote from someone familiar to our viewers. this is anthony scaramucci in your piece.

quote, he's not competing at the level he was competing at eight years ago. no question about it, said anthony scaramucci. quote, he's lost a step. he's lost an ability to put powerful sentences together. you can like trump or hate trump, but he's been an effective -- a very effective communicator. but now the word salad buffet on the trump campaign is being offered at a discount. you can eat all you can eat but it's at a discount. you know, it correlates with fox news not airing him live as often as they used to. any reporting or sense that there's any awareness of that or effort to rein him in or tighten this up so that they can have those platforms again? >> well, look, i think his campaign advisers certainly understand that. that's why they want him to be more disciplined. they want him to follow the script more. you know, that's just not going to happen. that's not the way he rolls. he's made that very clear. but it is interesting. you're right. i don't think a lot of people, a lot of americans watch the rallies as much as they used to because they're not shown on tv

as much. they're not shown at length as much. and when we pull them out for news reports or for stories in the newspaper we tend to pull out, you know, a small segment of a quote or something like that to get across whatever he's trying to say rather than the longer, more impactful impression you might have if you watched it at length. and it's a reminder that there is a value to actually seeing, you know, a full-on presentation by a politician or a candidate, not just what the filter, you know, ends up screening for our information. we need to be engaged as voters to see what's out there and to make our own judgments. >> i mean, i have wrestled pretty publicly with this question of platforming trump. when he was president and spreading lies about the caravan, we aggressively cut that -- cut away from it because we knew they were lies and we thought there was a cost to knowingly broadcasting his lies. but you're describing something that i think some careful

observers of this program and readers of the "new york times" have coined as sanewashing, right? where we pull out the news that he's trying to make because in an effort to not -- to strike the right balance, right? to not platform the lies, which i've done, a choice i made years and years ago, we're trying to grasp the one thing we think is relevant. do you reflect on and rumble with that, peter baker? >> yeah, no, i think we all do as journalists. of course we do. we have to find that balance. it is our job to help readers and viewers to have the information that they need to make an informed decision. how do you do that in a way that doesn't, you know, accentuate untrue statements, false statements, lies, and gives readers and viewers the information they need to evaluate what they're seeing? but at the same time i think the sanewashing critique, i understand it, it's not because news organizations are trying to make him sound more this or that. it's just that there is a concern about how much you go forward in the same way we did in 2016. there's a lot of second-guessing after 2016 by the cable

networks, how much should we show, you know, live and unedited. i think the real question here is that news organizations have to provide context, information, fact checking, and as much full information as we can. >> eddie, i think that's such a thoughtful and smart sort of way to look at it. it's something we've all wrestled with. and i wonder what you think about sort of -- we have all the information now. we can see him with our own eyes. what are your thoughts as we head into this final 29 days? >> i think it's never been the case that donald trump -- first of all, it's wonderful to see you. it's never been the case that donald trump's competency has been the source of his attraction. it's never been the case that he's been a kind of avatar for some sophisticated ideological viewpoint. he's a character. he's an avatar. for a certain set of grievances. so you know, charlie sykes will describe him as the fat elvis. but a lost people went to see

fat elvis. so we can say these things about him being incoherent. we can say these things about it being dangerous about him becoming the president. but we're not speaking to what's at the heart of his attraction. it's never been the substance of donald trump. it's always been the performance. it's always been the carnival barker. and the carnival barker can say whatever he wants or she wants as long as it entertains. >> i guess, though, at the root of peter's reporting is that the bark is more of a drool. >> well, so as someone who had a lot of disinhibition in 2015 and 2016, is it drool? and what i mean by that is one of the things we've seen in trump, and to eddie's point about what actually is it an avatar for, but it's also what does he himself believe, what is he using his platform for? it has always been, always been to tell lies that advance his

own personal agenda. and we've always seen that when it's not going his way he gets angrier. the ketchup goes on the wall. he refuses to tell people to maybe stand down and not charge the capitol. i mean, we saw it in some of the things we were seeing in the new briefing from the united states in its case against donald trump for insurrection. we're even seeing it in some of the comments he is making where he has said something that falls squarely in the definition of overt racism. when he says that some people by the basis of who they are as a group are by definition violent. is overt -- >> the genes. >> the genes. that's just old-fashioned white supremacy. and he has always tilted his hat at that.

he has always referenced it. and the fact that as he is losing what he perceived is the win he was going to get. remember, in the republican national convention he was going to be the new kinder gentler donald trump. but can't maintain it when he sees the opportunity for his victory in danger. so i can't -- i don't want to reduce it to drool because it is too fundamental to even the policy positions that he has pushed as a candidate. and i think we have to be clear there has been a substance to it like building a wall, like being willing to whip up hate. and we have a new poll out of the leadership conference on civil and human rights. and we for the first time, the third year of doing this polling, looking at the trends, for the first time we put in a political violence question. and 73% of respondents fear political violence after the election. and it is because of this kind

of performance that makes people afraid. and the other thing is when he drools or states what he really feels, whatever we want to call it, there are a whole bunch of other politicians that will follow suit and they're real people who will pay the price. >> i'll give you the last word and see if you want to answer this question for me. if you took his name out and the circumstances of our current politics out and you were just describing anyone else in someone's family or patriarch of any family or matriarch for that matter, the conversations would be about guardians and they would be about lowering their public speeches and it would be about maybe not doing things live. is there anyone around him that's worried about anything that you report out with data and statistics? >> well, look, i think it is a conversation we're all familiar with, right? because we all have it instances in our families where people get older. we're all getting older. it's the one thing none of us can ever beat. even donald trump cannot beat age. he can't tweet it out. he can't bully it. he can't intimidate it with a clever truth social posting,

right? it is the inevitable force. and i think people around him recognize that. now, i did interviews. i will say that people that i interviewed will tell you that no, he hasn't changed at all, that they see the same guy that he was ten years ago or eight years ago or nine years ago. we should put that in there as an important caveat and we shouldn't assume everybody sees that. but i think that the indiscipline, right? the lack of focus. the speeches that go on endlessly and all around the topic that people are trying to get him to focus on are a concern for republican strategists. absolutely. but they also recognize they're not going to change him at this point. that he is who he is. and he will win or lose based on whether people find him appealing or not. a lot of people do. sort of what we find to be discursive and kind of rambling is seen as entertaining and captivating by a lot of his supporters. and they don't look at it as a

sign of trouble. >> except the ones that walk out in increasing numbers. but i take your point. peter baker, it's a really -- it's an important piece of reporting and analysis. thank you for writing it and for joining us to talk about it. maya and eddie, stick around. when we come back, vice president kamala harris firing back against the torrent of disinformation regarding hurricane relief efforts disseminated by the disgraced ex-president just as another powerful, potentially dangerous storm is bearing down on florida. her remarks are next. also ahead, the united states supreme court is back in session, and already it has handed a big victory to opponents of reproductive rights. it is something vice president harris warned us would happen. and it keeps happening. if donald trump returns to the white house, it will continue for another four years and beyond. "deadline: white house" continues after a quick break. don't go anywhere. break. don't go anywhere. healthcare should evolve with you, and part of that evolution means choosing the right medicare plan for you. humana can help.

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just moments ago vice president kamala harris addressed the powerful hurricane milton now bearing down on florida's gulf coast. and also the dangerous disinformation we've been covering today that's being spread right now by donald trump about the government's relief efforts from hurricane helene. listen to the vice president's exchange with reporters on the tarmac at joint base andrews just moments ago. >> so i just got off the phone with administrator criswell at fema, and i cannot stress enough to all the folks in florida, in the tampa area, please listen to evacuation orders. please listen to your local

officials. because i know a lot of folks out there have survived these hurricanes before. this one is going to be very, very serious. and i urge you to please just grab whatever you need, listen to the orders you're getting from your local officials. they know what they're telling you and they know what milton is about to be. so please do that. the other point i'd make is there's a lot of mis and disinformation being pushed out there by the former president about what is available, in particular to the survivors of helene. and first of all, it's extraordinarily irresponsible. it's about him. it's not about you. and the reality is that fema has so many resources that are available to folks who desperately need them now and resources that are about helping people get back on their feet and rebuild and have places to go. you are entitled to these resources. people are entitled to these

resources. and it is critically important that people apply for the help that is there to support. that all those resources were created for just these kinds of moments in an emergency situation knowing that folks are entitled to have the relief that they so rightly need at this moment in time. so listen to your sheriffs. around the places that have been impacted by helene. listen to your local serve who's going to tell you straight about what's available to you and how in so many reasons and ways there are no conditions attached to the relief available to you. >> governor desantis, nbc is reporting governor desantis is ignoring your calls on hurricane resources and help. how does that hurt the situation here? >> you know, moments of crisis, if nothing else, should really be the moment that anyone who

calls themselves a leader is going to put politics aside and put the people first. people are in desperate need of support right now, and playing political games at this moment in these crisis situations, these are the height of the emergency situations. it's utterly irresponsible and it is selfish and it is about political gamesmanship instead of doing the job that you took an oath to do, which is to put the people first. >> that was vice president kamala harris, i believe on her way to new york, fielding some questions from reporters about -- i mean, putting it plain, quote, you are entitled to these resources, listen to the sheriffs. i mean, she's dealing both with the disaster that trump has made out of the efforts to pond f respond to hurricane helene by making people distrust fema and helping them rebuild as well as warning people now in the path of another deadly hurricane to listen to as she just said, quote, listen to your sheriffs. >> right. i mean, it's so ridiculous that

this man continues to shovel much b.s. and to put people in danger, in clear and undisputable ways he's putting folks in danger. but what's interesting is that what he's saying is he's putting forward a claim, nicolle, that enters into an ecosystem, that automatically has distrust of the federal government. automatically has distrust of the federal government. so he's deepening that distrust in a moment in which the federal government is needed. and so it's almost a self-fulfilling prophecy. see, they don't support you when you need support. republicans aren't funding it. i mean, there's a list of how many republicans that did not fund fema, or voted against fema not too long ago. this is entering into an ecosystem that actually deepens a sense of distrust, and donald trump's lying upon lying upon lying puts people in danger. and it just irks me as someone who grew up on the gulf coast, who's lived through hurricanes,

who knows what this is about, who knows what awaits folk and what folk are actually going through now. >> i can't imagine any family without power or having to evacuate and not wanting what -- as she just said, it's -- you're entitled to this aid. this is your right as a citizen of this country, to have access to aid in a case of a disaster. it is so much farther down the spiral than even i imagined that people who have been hurt, who have lost their homes or lost their businesses are not accessing what they are -- to quote the vice president, entitled to. or listening to, quote, their sheriffs because they believe -- i mean, it really gets into something else, not right-left but some addiction to the lies and the liar. >> addiction to lies and the liar for the purpose of trying to tell people as eddie said don't trust government, trust me. this is from a person who's asking to lead government. and saying but don't trust it.

it's backward. but this is the point about driving conspiracy theories for personal gain. i mean, how many times in this country, which has never had a perfect union, never, but how many times in this country did we watch politicians put their differences aside in an emergency? just say we are not -- in fact, even believing it was the kiss of death to be a politician who used human suffering to do anything other than unite or help or support but to use it for division and to drive division. and the other thing we were talking about being a patriot at the break when we weren't on television. and this point about where mis and disinformation is coming from in this election cycle, we should not forget, we have been warned about the way we have foreign countries interested in driving division between us as americans who are also utilizing

social media platforms and creating mis and disinformation. it is even more incumbent upon someone asking to be a commander in chief of this country as well as someone who is going to lead government, ensure that government is serving all of its people, to be very cautious about where they're getting information, what they spread. so in every way what was most interesting about what kamala harris said is when she showed up on that tarmac she showed up as the vice president. actually, it was not about the election. it was about her saying as the vice president this is what you're entitled to. it shifts to politics because of what he has done, not because what she was doing. >> i wonder -- which is of course a distinction only appreciated on earth one. because on earth two it's catch the paper towel when lives are on the line and when people have experienced real suffering.

i wonder what sort of the state of play is in terms of the last 29 days where we have -- you know, we have all the information. trump isn't capable it would appear from peter baker's analysis of reforming himself or tightening it up. and the polls stay neck and neck. what do you make of that as we head into -- >> oh, god, nicolle, you ask that question, right? i mean, it just shows us -- a, it shows us the nature of the country. we've said over and over again as pundits, as folks who do this for a living that the country is a 50-50 country. we know that it's split. and then we know that it's complicated in relation to the electoral college system. right? we've got that. but we also know that there is a cultural shift that's happening in america. and folks aren't comfortable with it. we're changing. we don't know what we're changing into. and folk aren't comfortable with it. and we know that there are politicians who aren't very decent people, who are

exploiting it and they're exploiting it for their own aims and ends. and so that sense of unease. and we must add that we're not okay. we're not okay. there's something about -- maya and i were talking about this earlier. there's a kind of madness that has a grip on us. we can call it a fever dream or whatever. and we're trying to make our way to the other side of it. but we're in it. and i think those numbers reflect americans who are just grabbing on to something, trying to hold on in the face of winds and americans who are desperately trying to make sure that we survive it. and who knows? who knows where we're going to land? >> i quote aaron sorkin all the time. and i blame him for making me feel more idealistic than our politics could deliver, right? when i was young i watched "the west wing." but there's a line in "the american president" where michael j. fox is talking about how people crave this thing to hang on to. he says people are so desperate for leadership that they'll

crawl through the sand and when they realize it's a mirage they'll eat the sand. and i wonder every day when i get up how many people are going to realize they are choking on sand and say you know what, this person over here, if i'm a democrat she's got a very forward-looking -- she looks like the future. her policy sounds -- talking about the middle class. she's talking about ai. she's talking about things that my kids are talking about, right? and then you look at her convention and you had republican lieutenant governor geoff duncan saying being a democrat doesn't make you a democrat, it makes you a patriot. you've got a republican talking to all the republican people. and then you've got young people who may not think that they see themselves in the other party but they live or they experience what peter baker wrote. and he's incoherent and disinhibited. and you say i don't want someone with their hand on the buttons who's disinhibited. i just wonder how many people know that they're eating sand

and it's that thing that gets me in the gut every morning. >> you know, what -- i hear you. and i think that's such a powerful formulation. the tradition out of which i come is that some people are willing to choke on the sand. they would rather give the whole damn thing up, throw the whole experiment into the trash bin before they hand it over to this idea that we can be a genuinely multiracial democracy. right? and it seems to me that donald trump as broken as he is has -- as flawed as he is, is willing to tear this entire experiment down for his own ends. and then there are other people who are willing to let him do it because they don't want -- >> it's the purest test -- >> exactly. >> we'll have our answer in 29 days. when we come back, vice president kamala harris warned over the weekend what post-roe

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president hand-selected three members of the united states supreme court with the intention that they would undo the protections of roe v. wade and they did just as he intended and there are now 20 states with trump abortion bans including bans that make no exception for rape or incest, this is the same guy who said that women should be punished for having abortions? this is the same guy who uses the kind of language he does to describe women? >> that's vice president kamala harris in a new interview with podcast superstar alex cooper reacting to donald trump's bizarre claim that he would i guess be a protector. that's how he's describing it. for women. if elected president of the united states. it comes as vice president harris and her running mate tim walz spent the weekend making their case and sounding the alarm about how much worse things will be for women's

reproductive freedom and basic health care if donald trump were elected to a second term. and to that point there are new warning signs of what could be in store for american women. earlier today the united states supreme court allowed texas to deny emergency abortion care to women if their abortions would violate the state's strict ban. something which would not have been possible without donald trump's hand-picked justices, three of them, overturning roe in the first place. a decision donald trump continues to celebrate and boast about even as we have learned that women have died as a result. over the weekend donald trump's running mate j.d. vance, despite recent attempts to try to pretend to sound more reasonable on abortion, let his mask slip, promising to end a vital health care lifeline for women, saying he and donald trump will end federal funding for planned parenthood if they're elected in november. joining our coverage, georgetown law school professor and author of "policing the womb: invisible

women and the criminalization of motherhood," michelle goodman is back. maya and eddie are here. michelle, let me play something for you that i've watched twice. i find it searing and powerful. this is sally fields. >> i had no anesthetic. there was a technician giving me a few puffs of ether. but he would then take it away. so it just made my arms and legs feel numb and weird. but i felt everything and how much pain i was in. and then i realized that the technician was actually molesting me. so i had to figure out how can i make my arms move to push him away. you know, so it was just, you know, this absolute pit of shame and i -- then when it was finished they said go, go, go, go, go. like the building was on fire. and they didn't want me there. you know, it was -- it was

illegal. so many young women, my generation of women, were going through this. and these are the things that women are going through now. >> it's hard to watch. i've watched it a couple of times. but anyone who thinks they're going to cast a vote in november and has a woman in their life they love or a woman that could become pregnant or want to be pregnant but then find out the pregnancy could threaten her life or it isn't viable needs to watch that because that's in no uncertain or hyperbolic terms that's where we're all heading if donald trump is president. >> that's right. it's chilling. it truly is. and it is a punch in the gut. and this is what not only women but girls have been experiencing in the united states post dobbs, as you mentioned. and the prologue to this session, that these have been

horrific times. and it's been a time in which the former president has celebrated the outcomes or celebrated that he put members on the supreme court that would lead to this particular outcome. and it's been chilling because the post-dobbs reality has been tremendous suffering, pain, and that has included death as well. and so what is there to celebrate in women being victimized as they have been in the post-dobbs reality in the united states. >> michelle, let me read you the opinion from the judge, who's actually a republican man who overturned georgia's six-week ban. he wrote this, quote, women are not some piece of collectively owned community property. the disposition of which is decided by majority vote. for thing a woman to carry an unwanted, not yet viable fetus to term violates her constitutional rights to liberty and privacy. it is not for a legislator, a judge or a commander from the handmaid's tale to tell these

women what to do with their bodies during this period when the fetus cannot survive. the court finds that until the pregnancy is viable a woman's right to make decisions about her body and her health remains her business and her business alone. when someone other than the pregnant woman is able to sustain the fetus, then and only then should those other voices have a say in the discussion about the decisions the pregnant woman makes concerning her body and what is growing within it. sort of a rare bright light in this conversation morass. >> that's right. and it reminds me of the judicial order that was issued by judge carlton reeves that capped the mississippi law at bay until the supreme court that was constituted by donald trump took it up and undid roe v. wade. but these courageous judges like that one and judge reeves who noted that mississippi couldn't be telling the truth when it

said that its abortion limitation, it wasn't a full ban, it was a 15-week gestational limit ban on abortion, but he said mississippi, you claim that you're doing this to protect women, and how could that possibly be so when mississippi, you're the state that has denied women the right to vote, you're the state that denied them to serve on juries, you're the state that denied them to fake out credit cards in their own name, bank accounts in their own names, and you're the state where fannie lou hamer was amongst the women who experienced coercive sterilization. what can you show where you have ever been committed to promoting the health and the safeties of women? and so you see a similar kind of reasoning but one that goes even further in this particular judge's order. >> i have to sneak in a break. we have much more on this. i'm also going to show you on the other side the vice president of the united states clapping back at sarah huckabee. that's next. at sarah huckabee. that's next. that's passed down through the generations. on ancestry i was able to actually put together our family tree.

each person is a glass worker. we stood on some pretty broad shoulders to get to where we are today.

i don't think she understands that there are a whole lot of women out here who, one, are not aspiring to be humble. i have two beautiful children, cole and ella, who call me mamala. we have a i think that increasingly, you

know, all of us understand that this is not the 1950s anymore. families come in all kinds of shapes and forms and their family, nonetheless. >> i love that answer. >> it was the best answer ever. because it was both true, and it showed us more about who she is, but also spoke to all of us, right? and we have this conversation about that, i had a stepfather, your kids have a stepfather, when i buried my stepfather, i buried a parent. it didn't matter that i had to others, and i think the fact that i got kids living in my house i didn't give birth to, but they are mine, and their mothers didn't even give them to me. i mean what are we as a

society, if we don't celebrate that? >> who is left in the tent, i guess, because the modern blended family, i mean, you know, the vice president has become a champion of modern blended families that we didn't know that we needed. the idea that she just seems to have this universality because of the narrowness of the other side . >> the narrowness of the other side, has its power, and what it is rejecting. she billboards it, donald trump declares that he is going to be your protector, at that moment, he is giving voice to the patriarchy, right? that is as explicit as you can get -- >> wait, wait, grabbing body parts? >> but this is exactly, this is exactly the point, right? the point is that this, this, we are in this moment where we

are relitigating -- >> but wait he is credibly accused of sexual assault by two dozen women. >> we know wrestling is fake but we still watch it. >> yeah, yeah. michelle, your thoughts and these final 29 days, and the questions before all women, before they cast a vote in november? >> well, we saw an indication of how women are thinking about these issues and men, too, through the ballot initiatives where consistently reproductive freedom, civil liberties and civil rights connected with your own bodily autonomy and that has been winning. i am deeply concerned, about voter suppression, about gerrymandering, about police being at the polls and intimidating voters, especially black voters. i'm deeply concerned about black voters having to stay in line four, five, six hours, i'm concerned about georgia we can

give someone a cup of water or sandwich who's been standing in line and i'm concerned about people with disabilities voting under those conditions. that all said, you're absolutely right, the vice president is giving us real feels as it relates to the families that we need and that we wanted the united states which is, families that love us, and that is the message. >> that sentence never used to have a partisan connotation. it's just an unbelievably -- on believable commentary on where we are. thank you. another break for us, we will be right back. , i just can't do this alone and make it work. one in five children face hunger in america, and food costs are rising. but everyone needs nourishing

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hurricane, and the national hurricane center is calling it a quote, extremely serious threat and potentially catastrophic as it rapidly intensifies to a maximum of 180 miles per hour winds, as of 5:00 p.m. it's expected to make landfall wednesday, or early thursday as a category 3 storm and underway, as 15 million people are currently under flood watches and 11 million people are at risk for tropical tornadoes through wednesday. we will keep an eye on that for you. another break for us, we will be , weright back. right bak president trump, you have long vowed

to repeal and replace the affordable care act. if we come up with something, we're going to do it and we're going to replace it. you still do not have a plan? i have concepts of a plan. there are concepts and options we have to do that. you have no plan. when donald trump was president, he tried to get rid of the affordable care act. and what the affordable care act has done is eliminate the ability of insurance companies to deny people with pre-existing conditions. you remember what that was like? we over the last four years have strengthened the affordable care act. and now we have capped the cost of insulin at $35 a month. we have capped the cost of prescription medication for seniors at two thousand dollars a year. and when i am president, we will do that for all people, understanding that access to health care should be a right and not just a privilege of those who can afford it. i'm kamala harris and i approve this message. (♪♪) you founded your kayak company because you love the ocean.

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