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>> tonight on "the reidout" -- >> get everyone you know and everyone you don't know, drag them to register to vote. and then make sure they actually do vote. if they don't, this will be the last election. >> a dangerous accusation from elon musk, and it's just one facet of the fearmongering, racism, and disinformation coming from trump and his maga allies. plus, vp kamala harris' shrewd media strategy. how she's reaching voters in traditional forums like 60 minutes as well as places that aren't so typical, like the call her daddy podcast, especially popular among young women. but we begin tonight with the manic bizarre and frankly

childish fan boying of donald trump as illustrated by ultimate fan boy elon musk literally jumping up and down on stage with trump during a rally in butler, pennsylvania. it was not just weird and meme worthy sparking hilarious online monikers. but also ominous. given some of the frankly alarming things musk has been saying. when you look at the people backing trump, some of the most noticeable ones, notable ones, i should say, are steeped in this precise moment. >> i nelson men dolla, do swear to be -- >> that moment when nelson man dalla became president, giving hope to people around the world and anti-apartheid activists and former political prisoner

inaugurated as president of south africa just four years after the end of apartheid. but for aphrocanners, meaning south africans of european descent, it was a moment of panic. an official end of racial segregation, a policy that benefitted them and only them, despite them comprising less than 10% of the population. by separating the minority white population and designating areas and activities prohibited to the black indigenous africans who comprised 80% of the population. all white enclaves flourished. think jim crow america. >> all i want is my schools must be white, and my residents area should be white also. >> and while some africaners welcomed the end of apartheid, many others fled in fear of black power. it was known as the white

exodus. some of maga's most significant backers were teenagers or very young adults when apartheid was eradicated. the financial times ticks them off. we have elon musk, who lived in south africa until he was 17. david sacks who left as a child and has become a fund-raiser for donald trump and a troll of ukraine. peter thiel, who spent years of his childhood in south africa, where his father was involved in uranium mining. and a lesser known paul furber, a south african software developer living near johannesburg who has been identified by two teams of forensic linguists as the originator of the qanon conspiracy, an allegation he denies. all these men, their formative

experiences in apartheid south africa, now we in america are facing a moment where our politics are turning into their politics. maga is sounding more and more like the old aphrocanner parties ranting about low birth rates, going after immigration and portraying immigrants of color as violent savages. the idea that democracy will end if their white male patriarch is not elected. they're going so far as to lie about the opposing party, whether the biden/harris party is helping with hurricane funding, lies, lies, all lies. and let's not forget their overarching lie about climate change being a hoax. even as hurricane milton strengthened from a tropical storm to a category 5 hurricane in just over a day, part of a trend of rapidly intensifying storms fueled by the climate crisis. but instead of putting their energy toward helping those in

need, these republicans are looking to terrify people with racist, dehumanizing lies about haitians or venezuelans and trump's now thrown in people from the congo. the point is to terrify white voters and vulnerable voters of color into running into the arms of the autocrat, the only one who can save them from the savages. it is the aphrocanning of american politics, which should alarm us greatly given the brutality, fashism, and racism of that era. and how people like elon musk may have been shaped by growing up and coming of age during the institutionalized oppression of black people and its abrupt end. the financial times notes how musk warned in 2023 about potential genocide of white people in south africa. trump's recent claim about american girls being raped and sodomized and murdered by savage criminal aliens preyed on

similar white fears. it is far from a coincidence that this is happening as democrats are fielding a black presidential candidate for the third time in five elections. and why the leader of the republicans is now an extremist known for enabling white supremacists who who is reviving race science as part of the discourse, as he did again in an interview today on conservative commentator hue hewitt's paw cast. >> a murderer, i believe this, it's in their genes. we have a lot of bad genes in our country right now. >> there you have it, trump's long fascination with genes and blood line got a lot creepier and nazier. with the claim that brown people have the murder gene. joining us is adam serwer, and olivia troye, former homeland security and counterterrorism adviser to mike pence, and member of republicans for harris. thank you both for being here. adam, i want to start with you. i sort of read this financial

times piece, and i had this aha moment because i wrote a book in which i interviewed a white south african professor and he labeled this very thing. that you had the afrikaaner nationalist party in 2012 warning american republicans if they didn't get a handle on this, this country would be like south africa. he said republicans need to turn themselves into an open white interests party, and here comes trump doing exactly that with a bunch of south africans at his back. what do you think? >> i think that the race science subtext, excuse me, i think race science has been the subtext of a lot of republican arguments. this idea that trump almost made text in that hugh hewitt interview that there's natural genetic hierarchy of human

beings with white people at the top and people who are not white at the bottom. and he didn't say -- he came very close to saying in that hugh hewitt interview, he didn't quite say it explicitly, but this is an idea that has grown more popular in the undercurrent of conservative, what you might describe as conservative intellectualism in terms of books that they're reading, the ideas they're toying with, and so it's not really surprising to see trump express it. it's during. but this has been percolaing in white ring circles for a while. >> let me let him express it. here is trump in butler, pennsylvania, talking about the enemy from within. >> i always say this, an enemy from within and there's an outside enemy. and if you're smart, the outside enemy is not going to be a problem.

russia, china, north korea, we're not going to have a problem if you have a smart president. if you have not such a smart president, then it's a problem, but we have an enemy from within which i think is much more dangerous than the outside enemy. we stand on the verge of the four greatest years in the history of our country. >> and the not so smart president, of course, he's implying is kamala harris because as he said before, she was born not smart. that he's got this race science view toward her, that she, the way -- the same way he talked about barack obama, they cannot possibly be the leader of a country, cannot possibly be intelligent. he's saying it straight out, olivia, and this is the policy position of the republican party. it's all about replacement theory and fear of brown and black migrants and them being eating your pets. it's gone so far that you can't imagine it being a part of a republican party even ten years ago. 20 years ago.

>> this used to be, i would say this used to be the conspiracy mongering people on the far right that were on the outskirts of the party but never enabled to be the mainstream. now we have the opposite. now we have the same non-maga republicans on the outskirts that have been kicked out of the party, basically, and the conspiracies and the embracement of these white nationalists are now who are at the head of it is what i would say. this all speaks to the great replacement theory, the dangerous great replacement theory that leads to masshootings and hate crimes that we have seen across our country. that's why all of these words matter when you have someone like donald trump sitting there and elon musk, who has a very large presence on social media, circulating these narratives including the disaster relief. he's been out there recirculating these posts that are dangerous for people who are actually in crisis. people in need. americans who are just looking for help. they need the help right now and

all he's doing is undermining it. i think it's all part of the way they want to maintain power. exclusion, it's fear, it's undermining of everyone but themselves, except for the people who want to be in full control. >> well, just say more, because elon musk, he's done a lot of things. he's being looked at as offering money for people to ridgester to vote. he's been sued for operating tesla with explicit parts of the company where blacks were allowed to work and where whites were allowed to work. that's at least the allegation. lawsuits about open racism, the stuff he says, but you're talking about literally manipulating reactions to the hurricanes. >> yeah, and that's incredibly dangerous. because what they're saying is there's these false narratives that they're pushing out that are frankly have been refuted now by republican governors and leadership on the ground and the effected areas that are saying please don't circulate these lies. you're actually hurting the people in need.

elon musk has been known to be perpetuating some of them on his own social media platform. all of this sort of rose together is what i'm trying to say, and i think it spreads, the best way to capture it is project 2025, because it all kind of plays in there where they touch on all these topics. whether it's reproductive rights, whether it's deportations in the mass raids they want to conduct where they're not going to differentiate between immigration status, where they're going to gut noaa and fema and the natural disaster response capabilities. i say this because when you were describing some of these people and i was listening to a reporter describe some of these people, i was picturing russ vogt sitting in the situation room with some of the far right extremists who really truly believe that america needs to look precisely the way they want to see it, which is christian nationalism. that's why they dehumanize immigrants, they dehumanize anyone who isn't in line with

what their vision is, because that's how they're hoping to continue to gain power. and i'll lastly say this, it's been concerning to me, joy, seeing latinos who are sort of being recruited and taken in. i'm talking to a lot of latino voters and they're creating division in our communities. i'm looking at some of the conservative latino voters i talk to, i have been a lifelong republican as a latina and i'm trying to remind them, remember, they don't want you to be part of the fold, but they're certainly going to use you for their own personal agenda. >> yeah, and they were targeting black voters the same way. adam, it's about saying to even black and brown working class people, the real enemy isn't the oil companies that are fracking the ground so much that it's causing more intense storms that are killing you or the rich people who are taking all the money and leaving you with pennies, it's these new people and turning on them. you wrote an excellent piece in the atlantic that talks about

the snitch culture they're creating, because they're not necessarily counting on the federal government to come down and enforce this new america they want. they're counting on people to enforce it against each other. kind of bull shuvic style. talk about that. >> what you have as a republican party trying to turn back the clock on certain issues in which the american people have moved left. you want -- what they want is for people to be afraid to say or do certain things that no longer have the stigma that they once had. if you talk to a friend about getting an abortion, someone might try to get a bounty on you. if you have a child who does nat dress in a gender conforming way, someone might accuse you of letting them transition. if you have a book by ta-nehisi coates in your classroom, maybe a student will tell their mom and they might snitch on you. the purpose here is simply to make people afraid to say or do

certain things that are really nobody else's business. you can see this in states like texas and florida where they're sort of creating this snitch state where people are supposed to be afraid to express ideas that conservatives oppose or engage in behavior conservatives oppose because they're afraid someone might snitch on them. >> and meanwhile, olivia, going back to elon musk, he's creating a space on x twitter where you can say nazism unimpeded, where you can say racism unimpeded. the things they're trying to mitigate against or to make unacceptable is anything woke. it's anything that cares about other people. it's anything that's, you know, that's kind to other people. but if you want to do racism, fine. misogyny, fine, but you just can't do anything they consider to be too ben fishiant to people they hate. >> yeah, the hypocrisy, right?

free speech for me but not for thee is what he's doing on his own platform. look, it's dangerous because the amount of mis and disinformation on the platform is rampant on a number of issues and also giving prime opportunity for the disinformation that's being pushed by foreign adversaries because they're all playing there. now it's their playground. it's a fertile playground for them to exploit this and fuel these narratives. what better way than to push them out and have elon musk at the head of it spreading them. that's the worst thing ever to see, so i think he's just being utilized as a puppet for some of these foreign adversaries as well. >> i'm sure he assumes he too will have a puppet if donald trump is elected. the puppet would be named donald trump. he would have tremendous power and i'm sure he sees himself as smarter than donald trump. adam and olivia, thank you very much. coming up, from 60 minutes to howard stern, the harris/walz

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and nurses and firefighters are paying a higher tax rate than billionaires and the biggest corporations. and i plan on making that fair. >> that was vice president kamala harris in an interview on "60 minutes" describing how she would pay for her plan to help small businesses. it's one of several interviews harris and governor walz have in store this week, making their case to undecided talking about those still deciding tweeze harris and trump, because honestly, i don't think there are many of those people left at this point. i'm talking about people deciding whether to vote at all or just to stay on the couch. to do that, it appears the harris/walz team is trying to reach out to people who may be less engaged in politics. that's why this week we will see the vice president appear on the late show, the howard stern show, the view, and the widely listened to call her daddy

podcast. for those not familiar with that podcast, it has amassed a huge following, millions of listeners, many young women. it typically focuses more on dating, relationships, and sex than politics but host alex cooper said she understood since one of the main conversations in this election is about women, she couldn't sit it out. she also left an open invitation to trump to join her. during their 40-minute interview, cooper and harris touched on trump's claim he would be a protector of women as well as his false assertions that states are executing babies after birth. >> so he who when he was president hand selected three members of the united states supreme court with the intention that they would undo the protections of roe v. wade, and they did just as he intended, and there are now 20 states with trump abortion bans. this is the same guy who said that women should be punished for having abortions.

this is the same guy who uses the kind of language he does to describe women. >> former president trump claimed that some states are executing babies after birth. can you just clarify. >> that is not happening anywhere in the united states. it is not happening, and it's a lie. just it's a bold faced lie. it's so insulting to suggest that that would be happening, and that women would be doing that. >> harris also responded to this ridiculous criticism from arkansas governor sarah huckabee sanders, who echoed similar statements from trump's running mate jd vance and others on the right. >> so my kids keep me humble. unfortunately, kamala harris doesn't have anything keeping her humble.

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claim that vice president kamala harris doesn't have anything doing the same for her. attacking harris for not having any biological children of her own, even though she's a step mother to her husband's two kids. here's harris' response on the call her daddy podcast. >> i don't think she understands that there are a whole lot of women out here who, one, are not aspiring to be humble. i think that increasingly, you know, all of us understand that this is not the 1950s anymore. families come in all kinds of shapes and forms. and they're family nonetheless. >> i'm joined now by basil smikle, democratic strategist and msnbc political analyst, and sammy sage, cofounder of betches media and cofounder of democracy in retrograde, how to make changes big and small in our country and in our lives. what to you make of that answer, and are women your age aspiring

to be humble? >> i wouldn't say that that's the number one priority, but nor would i say that they see motherhood as the only thing that can make someone humble. i think that we have all had experiences in our lives that build our humility and that motherhood is not -- does not have a complete ownership over that trait. >> yeah. well, let me ask you about this decision by vice president harris to go on the call her daddy podcast. i have to be honest, i had not heard of it before this weekend, but for young women, it's very obviously extremely popular, something like 5 million users. what do you think is the significance of doing that and is that an effective way to reach particularly young white women because that is one of the goals, to increase the number of white women voters voting democratic this time? >> absolutely. not only do i think it's effective because of the volume and scale, but i think that this is exactly the type of media that she should be doing because

we have heard from voters that they want to know more about her, that even though they have heard about her resume and they have heard her convention speech, they don't necessarily feel that they know her. and i think what i hear when people are saying that is that they want to have a greater intuitive understanding of who she is and who she will be as a leader. especially when you have her in contrast to joe biden, who has been in office since 1970, and jd vance and donald trump, who will say anything anytime, anywhere, no matter how true or outrageous or evil. so she's up against very candid people, and she's on this abridged timeline. i think one of the most effective ways she's going to be able to reach undecided voters specifically is through individuals and personalities who people have parasocial relationships. because she needs to spend the last month building trust. not only that, but i think that trust she is able to build from those appearances is going to

pay off in a number of ways. one is that we're at a really quick point in the conversion funnel so people can be listening to her on a podcast and they can be like, you know, i have time. i'm in my car. i might as well go to my polling place and vote early. the second thing is that as we can see, there's going to be a ton of disinformation around election day. and it is critical that she and the campaign build trust with voters now so that when there are lies flying everywhere, that trust will have been established with a large swath of the electorate. >> that's very smart thinking. basil smikle, i think we have two democratic strategists on tonight because there are smart points. i'm going to put up the whole panoply of things that vice president is going to be doing. 60 minutes, howard stern, which there was a big criticism that hillary clinton didn't go on the stern show in 2016, the view, late show with stephen colbert,

a town hall, and the call her daddy podcast. it's pretty smart. the audience data on call heridaty, 70% women, 76% of them are under 35. 93% are under 45. 48% democratic. 24% republican, 20% independent. 34% live in the south. it seems pretty smart. >> it's a very smart strategy. much to my chagrin, many of my students when i talked to them about me being on tv, they had no idea what i'm talking about but they tell me that their parents love me, so it's really smart to go where the voters are and go on the platforms that they're listening to. so yes, do the podcasts. yeah, you do the view, you do 60 minutes, but you also, and i'm a big fan of going to local media. hyperlocal media, because when most of america gets up in the morning, they want to know what the traffic is like, what the weather is like, and what happened in their neighborhood. and if they see that kamala

harris was in their neighborhood, or talking to a local reporter, that will touch a voter, particularly an undecided voter, and say oh, my god, she came to some place that resonates with me. let me go out there and support her. so i love this strategy. and one quick point, democrats should not engage in the hand wringing that echoes republican talking points about doing all of this media. they're saying it just so that they can find something to go after her with. she's doing the right thing staying the course. >> and i wonder, last word to you on this, because this is in a -- she's doing in the in a context where the georgia supreme court just reinstated a six-week abortion ban, which is basically a total abortion ban. they let stand a ban in texas which would let women lose their organs or come near death in order to force them to give birth. you had the montana candidate -- let's see, do we have time to

play it? >> young people, listen up. they have been indoctrinated for too long. we don't even try to talk to them anymore. we don't even go to them and explain to them, i sat with a group of younger folks a couple months ago talking about just various issues. and one of them was life, because of course young women between the age of 19 and 30, abortion is their number one concern. that's all they want to talk about. they are single-issue voters. and it's all about pro-choice, pro-choice. >> they're all pro choice, and this is the florida governor is so threatened by an abortion rights amendment that he's threatening to prosecute stations that play a pro-choice ad. is that true? are young women hyperfocused on abortion, and why wouldn't they be given the fact that women's bodily autonomy is being stolen state by state? >> i think that this goes back to pre-roe being overturned where people assume abortion is

about only about choice. and it's actually not. it's really about health. and i think that what we're seeing especially when you see the stories coming out of texas, is that this is not -- this is really any woman who wants to get pregnant, who wants to have a family, they could ultimately be at risk for the severe health complications including fatalities that will come from these abortion bans. so yes, it is the choice, but it's also the life and death consequences that come from not having this autonomy. so single issue, sure. but it's our being. >> i think the single issue, exactly, is control of your own being. that's the single issue. thank you very much, thank you both. >> before we get to break, back in 2020, i hosted a podcast for msnbc and wondery called kamala next in line. it explores then senator kamala

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. this election is about more than just who is at the top of the ticket. it's also about who controls your state. the republican party has used and abused gerrymandering to their benefit, which is why they love saying everything is up to the states, especially when it comes to women. >> every legal scholar, every democrat, every republican, liberal, conservative, they all wanted this issue to be brought back to the states where the people could vote. and that's whathe thing, there is a way to fight back. something barack obama reminded democrats about at the convention. >> if we work like we have never worked before, if we hold firm to our convictions, we will elect kamala harris as the next president of the united states. and tim walz as the next vice president of the united states.

we will elect leaders up and down the ballot who will fight for the hopeful, forward looking america we all believe in. >> the officials you elect down the ballot will be placed on your state supreme court, your state house, and your state senate. it is these people who determine if women can be prosecuted if they go out of state for medical care, if your teachers are armed because they refuse to regulate guns, and what history your kids are allowed to learn in school. the state's project is an organization that is dishing out big bucks in nine swing states like pennsylvania, michigan, and north carolina to insure that democrats in those states can elect what president obama called hopeful forward looking leaders. and joining me now is democratic strategist tara dowdle, one of the hosts of their fund-raising event tomorrow night, democracy in vogue, which features my

buddy, yvette nicole brown. before i talk about this event, i want to show you three things. trifectas after the disastrous 2010 midterm in which democrats just dropped their participation. republicans came out of that election with control of 20 trifecta states, meaning they controlled the governor's mansion and both state houses, house and state senate. democrats are nine. after the 2022 election, the republicans upped theirs to 23 trifectas and democrats did better, too, they upped them in 17. look at that map and now look at the map with states that have abortion bans. i want everybody to look at the change. it looks almost identical to the map of the trifectas. that's why you have to control states, tara, right? >> that's absolutely right. and i want to make a very critical point about the states project's work. so if you look at virginia, virginia is the only southern state that did not enact an abortion ban after dobbs, after the dobbs decision.

and you look at the flipside of that, you look at minnesota and michigan, where the state's project was involved and helped to flip those state houses, and those state legislatures, they passed laws that protect a woman's right to her own being, as was said earlier by your guest. that's why states matter. part of the problem is that a lot of people don't understand that. but the right wing, as you pointed out, did and continues to understand that. so that's why this work is so important, from whether it be child care as you talked about, minimum wage, paid family leave, a woman's right to choose. all of that, most of the impact of that, the daily lives, is at the state level. >> right. even people are lying and being lied to about fema, you know, it's your state governor that requests fema assistance from the federal government. it's the congress that passes the amount you get in the check, but your state has to take

action. i think people sometimes don't know who to be mad at and a lot of times it's your state legislature and state governor. >> exactly right. i think that's the point of this work, that we're working to raise that awareness, to make sure people understand, because you see people getting mad all the time at the president, as if the president can wave a magic wand. but what people don't understand is federal policy is actually enacted by the states. and if you look at examples -- >> talk about -- yeah. go, like michigan. >> i was going to say, you look at examples like michigan. you have a child tax credit there, you have school lunches, free school lunches, minnesota as well. that is all because of the state legislature and breaking those right-wing supermajorities that existed because they understood that. >> yeah, north carolina, they would have had abortion rights but for one democrat who turn coated and flipped and gave republicans a supermajority in north carolina. that's why they have an abortion

ban, because of one turn coat democrat who switched parties. talk about the event you're doing to raise money for this. >> thank you so much. we have an event tomorrow. democracy en vogue. people can go to learn more about at, we're doing it with style and substance. so this event is about harnessing, we see all this energy across the country for vice president kamala harris. we see all this energy. so we're harnessing that energy and that momentum of this historic election to really put a spotlight on particularly pennsylvania, where we're aiming to basically protect the majority in the house, right, because we can't just -- once you get it, you have to protect it. we're trying to protect the majorities in michigan and where we're trying to break that right-wing super majority in north carolina. this event is focused on doing those things, and it's really called the giving circle event. what that is, it's like a book club. it's a book club for those of us who are political junkies but a

book club aimed at creating political change, and so that's the work of what we're doing, so we're having a big book club democracy in style event tomorrow to do the work and to just make it exciting and to do that joy. >> we want a little bit of that. tara dowdell, my friend, thank you so much. check out states' project.org. thank you, tara. coming up next, it's been exactly one year since the horrific october 7th attack and the ensuing and brutal war in gaza and there's no sign of resolution with israeli strikes widening to lebanon. the latest in how it's led to a fractious political environment fractious political environment here in the states is next.

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today marks one year since the palestinian militant group, hamas, staged a deadly attack on israel, since its founding, leaving 1200 people dead, 250 taken hostage, triggering a brutal attack on the gaza strip that has left nearly 42,000 dead. now, one year later, there seems to be no end in sight for the conflict. more than 100 hostages remained in captivity, and adding to the death toll in gaza, which includes an estimated 16,000 children, many areas have been flattened and hunger remains rapid, with the u.n. warning of

famine. the region is on the brink of an even wider work, as israel has launched airstrikes on lebanon and islamic retaliation against iran. meanwhile, the conflict has reverberated here at home as well and is having a profound effect on our political, cultural, even our media environment. i am joined now by peter viner, msnbc political analyst, editor at large of jewish currents, and author of the upcoming book , "being jewish after the destruction of gaza." peter, my friend, it is good to see you. you have a piece in the guardian entitled, "the mainstream media has failed us after 7 october. " please explain. >> my point was, after the horrifying attacks of october 7th, there were a group of people, palestinians with roots in gaza, maybe series of predictions, which have turned out to be stunningly prescient, that the ward would not bring the hostages back to me that israel would not defeat hamas, that the war would destroy gaza, and it would lead to a

wider war. unfortunately, those folks did not get much access to the mainstream media. the mainstream media, unfortunately, like 9/11, they were obviously honorable exceptions, but in general, you had a lot of people close to power in washington who tend to get a big platform, but not people who knew gaza well. as a result, i don't think we had the kind of the public debate in the united states that would have served as well. >> and it seems that instead of debate-- just a holistic point of view to pull back, obviously the human tragedy, 100 million people missing their people, or 2000 palestinians dead, every possible place you could hide to or run to, flattened. there's nowhere to live. it is miserable on all sides and now the misery has spread to lebanon. from a journalistic point of view, i feel like there was not an encouragement to examine, similar to 9/11, we mustn't examine anything about this conflict, other than, one side

is cartoonishly evil, one side is the good side, and we decide we don't even talk about-- i don't know, we seem to not be able to do the story and tell the story in a fulsome way. he believed that? >> yes. what hamas did on october 7th was evil and targeted civilians in a really horrifying way. if you want to fight against that violence, you can't do it effectively, unless you understand that it is within a larger structure of the violence of oppression, and if you don't recognize that, put aside that morally, you have an obligation if you believe that all human life, all civilian life is precious, you have to believe palestinian life is precious too, which means, palestinians deserve their freedom. even strategically, if you don't understand the context in which this october 7th attack happened, if you can't distinguish between understanding and justifying, which are completely different things, you will not have an effective strategy. in a different way, that is what happened after 9/11.

we did not have a good strategy for dealing with iraq and afghanistan, and we did not do the right analysis about why in fact those attacks had happened. >> the fact that the media played along with the idea that iraq had anything to do with it, that is a big question about the way we treat arabs and muslims as one single mush, not understanding individual cultures. i want to play two soundbites, both responding to this anniversary. here is trump. >> i think they have shown a level of warfare that has been pretty amazing, whether you are for them or not for them, it has been amazing. israel would be-- i think israel has to do one thing, get smart about trump, because they don't backed me. i did more for israel than anybody, i did more for the jewish people than everybody. it is not reciprocal, as they say. >> we must uphold the commitment to repair the world, an idea that has been passed on throughout generations of the jewish people, and across many faiths. and to that end, we

must work to relieve the immense suffering of innocent palestinians in gaza, who have experienced so much pain and loss over the year. >> vice president harris expressing empathy, she and her husband planted a pomegranate tree in memory of those lost october 7th. donald trump said, hey, here is good real estate here, also it is about me, and all about himself. comment on that, if you would like, also about whether going forward, you know what, just comment on that if you would like. we have 15 seconds. >> good for kamala harris for showing genuine empathy and talking about palestinians as human beings. people will not take you fiercely that rhetoric if you keep providing unconditional weapons, the same weapons killing people in gaza and lebanon. if the words will meet,