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okay. so we are 29 days out from the presidential election. people are voting across the country and the key swing states already. vice president kamala harris and governor tim walz are on a media blitz right now. tim walz was unleashed on fox news yesterday and it seemed to go well. harris was unleashed on call her daddy, and both, done with a slew of podcast daytime and late-night hosts in the coming days. believe me, i would love to talk to you about my take on these media strategies and we will during the show. we kind of have to start somewhere else tonight. right now, on a parallel track tell the interviews and the campaign events and early

voting and normal election year kind of stuff, we have a republican nominee who will lie about anything, if he thinks he can benefit from that i. we have a maga machine that amplifies those lies on his behalf and we are watching real people suffer as a result. for the past few days, trump has been brazenly lying about the federal government's response to hurricane helene. overnight, he once again repeated the complete lie that the biden administration used disaster funds for migrants instead of helping people impacted by the hurricane. that is not true. it has been repeatedly fact checked and easily debunked. i can debug it right now. those are two entirely different programs funded by two completely different sources. trump knows they. the fema funds are directed by congress, including by many of the members who are outgoing this to be spent on disaster

response specifically. congress directed them for that. listen to harassment call trump out, fact check his lies, and urge people to listen to actual authorities just a few hours ago. >> there's a lot of disinformation being pushed out there by the former president about what is available. particular to the survivors of helene. it is extraordinarily irresponsible. it is about him. it is not about you. the reality is fema has so many resources available for folks who desperately need them. listen to your local sheriff who will tell you straight about what's available to you and how so many reasons there's no conditions attached to the relief available. >> the spreading of misinformation is not normal at all from anybody of any political party. none of this stop trump from continuing to repeat it.

his goal is not insuring people of accurate information, even in a time of crisis, it is to anger people with misinformation. he created an environment where pushing those falsehoods is encouraged. when "the new york times" asked the trump campaign about his role in spreading false claims? his spokeswoman simply reiterated the falsehood. elon musk, the richest man in the world and top trump ally has pushed lies about the hurricane to his millions of followers on the social media platform he owns. the front pages of the new york post pushed lies to their readers and we watched the lies trickle down from the top and spark other lies and cause real- world problems in communities that are suffering. these are real effects on real people because of fake stories. trump does not care. he wants people to be confused and enraged and he is willing to do anything for his political gain. he's willing to say anything for his own survival, and it's

far from the first time we've seen this with trump. it's all a pattern. remember, just a couple of weeks ago that the lies from donald trump and as i lies about springfield, ohio, had people hiding in their homes and state troopers posted at schools. a couple of years ago that the lies from donald trump and his allies about the election had people charging at the u.s. capitol and chanting hang mike pence. if it suits trump and his allies, they will lie about it. consequences be . to watch the lies spread a watch trump and his allies not back away but double down should be a huge concern right now. especially is another category 5 storm bears down on florida. it should also serve as a big wake-up call for anyone out there as we head into this election. if his allies don't like the results, they will do the exact same thing. they will lie if it suits them, and consequences, be if they

are unwilling to say who won the last election? how do you think they will handle a trump boss this time around. i think you know the answer. we hear it from trumpet every single rally. we saw it on the debate stage from j.d. vance and we saw yesterday with house speaker mike johnson. >> can you say unequivocally that joe biden won the 2020 election and job -- trump lost? >> this is a game played by mainstream media with republicans. you want us to litigate things that happen four years ago when we are talking about the future. >> they are planning it now. this is how it goes. trump allies for his political ends, and his allies refused to denounce the lies and in fact often fuel them. the rest of the country is left to pick up the pieces. we watched it in 2020,

springfield, ohio, and were watching it in the aftermath of hurricane helene and it will happen in 29 days if he does not like the election results. if it doesn't matter if the people of western north carolina being fed misinformation. it doesn't matter if there is violence around the election. he will wreak havoc if he thinks it will help him. if you listen to him and those closest to him, have it is what they want. >> over the past eight years, those who want to stop us from achieving this future have slandered me, impeach me, and dated me, tried to throw me off the ballot, and who knows, maybe even try to kill me. >> and then, they tried to kill him. they tried to kill him. it is because the democratic party, they can't do anything right. >> this is no longer a fight between republican versus democrat, left versus right. it is good versus evil. and good is going to win this

battle, ladies and gentlemen. >> is or anybody here who is going to vote for lying kamala harris? please raise your hand. i should say to raise your hand. it would be very dangerous. we don't want to see anybody get hurt. >> i mean, with rhetoric like that, with so many lies, is that any wonder that president biden said this about the upcoming election in the briefing room friday? >> i am confident it will be free and fair. i don't know whether it will be peaceful. i am concerned about what they will do. >> joining me as homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas. the department of homeland security overseas a lot. upstart there. i want to ask about misinformation but before i get there, want to start with a

story on the top of "the new york times" right now as people are watching the hurricane and hurricane movement. "the new york times" reporting that fema is running out of staff to respond to this hurricane that seems to be barreling towards florida. the story says only 9% of the agency's personnel is available. for people watching, dhs, fema, do they have what it needs to respond to the storm? >> yes, it does. quite clearly and everybody should rest confident that fema has the resources. we already have 900 personnel deployed, pre-position, in florida. people responding to hurricane helene. people who were responding previously to hurricanes. we are there. we have search and rescue teams. the army corps of engineers are there. we are ready. we have the personnel. fema likes to say it is fema flexible. we can respond to multiple events at a single time.

>> one of the things you are doing that right now, i talked a little about misinformation and the spreading of and the impact. this is not normal. i have been around this town for a long time under democratic, republican presidents, not that everything has been perfect, but you spent a lot of time in government. the level of misinformation we are seeing that is spreading and giving people an accurate understanding of what's happening with the hurricane, have you seen this before? >> i have not seen at this before at this level. you remember when an extreme natural disaster brought people together. now, unfortunately, tragically quite frankly, it is politicized. what happens is the people who are victimized by the natural disaster are the ones who will suffer. it sows distressed in their government and therefore they do not seek the help they truly need. we have funds to put in their

pockets to be able to help them address immediate needs. these individuals are not seeking that relief because of the disinformation, intentionally false information, they are receiving. it debilitate our workforce. individuals who are putting their lives on the line to search and rescue for victims of hurricane helene. a hurricane of historic magnitude. it is very sad. it's very damaging. >> you feel people people are not seeking it information they are entitled. one of the things were seen without trump spreads misinformation is it's a targeting of migrants, often. the migrant community. we saw that in springfield and a bit around the hurricane. you are a child of immigrants who herself. but also, as the secretary of the department of homeland security, you watch this issue

closely. i want to play what he said this morning and get your thoughts on it. >> she has no clue. how about allowing people to come to an open border, 13,000 of which were murderers. many of them murdered far more than one person and they are happily living in the united states. a murderer, i believe this, it's in their genes. we have a lot of bad genes in our country right now. >> that is obviously disgusting what he just said. i want to put the politics aside and ask you on a personal level but also if i may, as the secretary of homeland security, how concerned are you with the repetition of that rhetoric into migrant communities are being targeted by his supporters? >> i think you put it powerfully a few minutes ago and point poignantly. we have parents who are scared

to send their children to school because of this demonization. because of the false information, the targeting of migrants. in our darkest chapters of world history, we have seen this demonization victimize millions of people. you speak of my, reference my personal story. 6 million jews were killed in world war ii. my mother lost family because of this rhetoric and the violence it breeds. >> i can't imagine how you digest this on a personal level especially with your responsibilities. you referenced your mother and you referenced your family and your mother is a holocaust survivor. today is the anniversary of october 7. you are somebody who has spoken a power play against anti-semitism. you see the rise of it but you are a jewish american. how are you digesting this moment a year later? >> my mother passed away in

1997. this is the first time in my life since her passing that i'm almost relieved that she is not alive to see what occurred on october 7, when year ago today, she would've been fearful of the survival of jews across the world and yet, we are confident in our resilience and the resilience of all individuals of all faiths. we have to fight hate, and the tragedy of october 7 was absolutely horrific and we have the duty to remember it. to never forget it and to be resolved it never occurs again. >> i do want to ask you as we look ahead, 29 days out from the election. i watch president biden go to the briefing room for the first time since he was president. he said something that struck me as quite honest which he is confident it will be fair but is not sure it will be peaceful. with everything we saw in 2020,

they should not be a surprise. i know at this point, a couple weeks from the election, you, he, other members of the national security team are likely meeting to prepare for what likely will happen. are those meetings happening? how confident are you it will be peaceful? how are you approaching it? >> i am hopeful it will be peaceful. there is reason to be concerned it might not be. it is our job at the department of homeland security to be preferred for what reality occurs and that's what we're doing. >> which means internal discussions and meetings never for any scenario, especially since 2020. >> that's our obligation and we are executing on it. >> it's a pleasure being with you. >> it's great to see you. republicans refused to say donald trump loss of 2020 election. which tells us a lot of what they are prepared to do for him in the selection. i will talk to congressman dan goldman about that.

i will keep reminding you, we are 29 days out until election day so there is a lot to talk about. with that, just about four years since trump loss of 2020 election and still so many republicans can bring themselves to answer a very straightforward question. >> he is still saying he did not lose the election. did he lose a 2020 election? >> tim, i'm focused on the future. >> can you say definitively that donald trump lost the 2020 election? >> joe biden was elected president. it was an unfair election in many ways. >> did trump lose? >> joe biden was elected. >> do you just want to say he lost? >> can you say trump lost? >> this is a game that's always played by mainstream media with leading republicans. it's a gotcha game.

you want us to litigate things that happened four years ago when we are talking about the future. >> it's not a gotcha question. it's a pretty easy one. these questions are testify willing these republicans will be to help trump in his efforts to mess with the selection. it's not a question about the past. it's a question about the future. their answers and it does everything we need to know. joining his democratic congressman dan goldman of new york. i have to start with what mike johnson just said. the question of whether donald trump lost as a gotcha game, that's what he said, which is not a hard question. i raise this because it's a reminder of what they are capable of doing another time around. what you say to that and how did you hear it? >> i heard it as you did which is that mike johnson, who is the architect of a brief filed in the supreme court but a number of house members, republican house members, trying to overturn the election.

it refuses to acknowledge that donald trump lost the election. why is that important? it's important because it's in the mist test for donald trump as to whether he will choose someone for vice president which j.d. vance clearly had the pass and must continue to pass, but also mike johnson could be the speaker of the house of the republicans maintain the majority. he will control the gavel on january 6. it matters a lot what mike johnson thinks about the last election when 60 judges said there was no fraud. bill barr resigned because there was no fraud and he was getting pressured as attorney general to say there was fraud. it's unequivocal and unquestionable that donald trump lost. they cannot say it. what that means is they will be happy to say the same big lie

once again in 2024 if the opportunity presents itself. we know it will because trump has already been saying that. >> history repeats. speaker johnson, i was talking to secretary mayorkas about the hurricanes and hurricane recovery and another one coming to the coast of florida, expected to come to the coast of florida. johnson said despite the damage, congress can wait to reconvene and boost federal disaster relief and it. he said it will take time to assess the damage. lawmakers are not scheduled to return to session until november 12. are you concerned, can congress wait? >> i am concerned about it. we passed an additional $20 billion of funding for fema and the continuing resolution in september. there is some money for immediate needs, but what the republicans refuse to acknowledge is because of

climate change, fema has three times as many devastating natural disasters as they had about 15 years ago. their funds need to be blessed up accordingly, and they're not because republicans refuse to do it. the reason why fema does not have enough money in the natural disaster relief fund which is entirely separate from the shelter and services program which is the one that reimburses localities or some other immigration costs, predominantly in republican states, but that's a totally different bucket of money. fema doesn't have enough because republicans refuse to give enough, another not allowing us to come back to make sure the americans suffering from helene and potentially milton can actually get the help that they need. >> it's hard to understand i think i will say. i want to ask you --

>> is not that hard to understand. they will lie until they -- >> i agree. you were diplomatic in a good way. you were in israel and today is the anniversary of october 7. you were in israel with your family during the horrific attack. i still remember watching the interview you did with my colleague rachel maddow around that 1200 people were killed. more than 250 taken hostage. how are you reflecting on the day when your later? >> it has been a hard day. certainly flashbacks to what was going on with me in tel aviv as rockets were raining on my, down on my family and my three little kids. it pales in comparison to seeking hostage families, as i have today, the family from long island whose son remains a hostage one year later.

just imagining the pain and anguish, and the fact that israel, because there's 101 hostages who were illegally abducted and remain illegally in captivity in the dungeon tunnels of gaza by a brutal terrorist group, israel cannot move on until those hostages are home. the frustrating part is not only that it has been one year since they were abducted, but what we are seeing in new york city here and elsewhere is a rise in violent protests and calls for violence. people outwardly waving hamas and hezbollah flags, supporting terrorist groups funded by iran who not only want to erase israel and all jews, but chant death to america. and yet, that's growing here in our own country.

i think every american needs to take stock of what's going on and what this fight is about. it truly is democracy versus terran man, and tyranny and it's bigger than israel and hamas although hamas needs to be eradicated just like all the other iranian backed militias and terrorist groups who are attacking israel and surrounding them. it has been an emotional day. i was in central park for a moving ceremony, a commemoration with some excellent speakers and videos. it breaks your heart to see the families of these victims, the families of these hostages who were so brutally murdered in an unprovoked sneak attack on october 7 last year. >> so much pain felt by these families and the tens of

thousands of families, more than that, who lost loved ones in gaza in the years since. it's been dan goldman, thank you for joining me. kamala harris and tim walz are embarking on a big media blitz and some is very mad. i will share my thoughts after a quick break. quick break. (man) these men of means with their silver spoons. what will become of them when they discover robinhood gold allows others to earn their very liberal rates on idle cash. they would descend into chaos.

for weeks, many republicans have been hemming and hawing how vice president kamala

harris is avoiding the press. now, they will have to find something to complain about because harris is going on a pretty big media blitz. tonight, 60 minutes aired an in- depth interview and we will talk about more specific moments from there. that comes the day after harris appeared in the popular call her daddy podcast hosted by alex cooper. tomorrow she set for media appearances including the view, the howard stern show and "the late show with stephen colbert". perhaps predictably, the more traditional legacy d.c. media are spitting mad. political claims, quote, harris is still largely avoiding the media. complaining that most of these are not the types of interviews that are going to press her on issues she may not want to talk about. "the new york times" focused on the, quote, friendly nature the interviews unlikely to place her in front of many inquisitors. okay. let me give you insight into why these outlets are so upset

about this. it's not because they think they reach more people. they don't and it's not because they are going to ask different questions than say 60 minutes from her creative outside the box questions than alex cooper, or stephen colbert. it's because their relevance relies on being the sole arbiters of asking the questions. the problem for them is the way people consume information and the public looks for information has completely evolved. i don't see that lately. i stood at the front of the white house briefing room and answered a room full of journalists every day in part because a respect what they do and the role of the press. separately, i suffered three years of criticism for what was considered a less traditional media strategy for two different presidents including when i was a communications director for president obama.

the traditional media did not deem hard-hitting or presidential enough like an interview to talk about climate change or an interview inside a prison to talk about criminal justice reform are the biggest violation of all, sitting down with between two burns to talk about health care. hats off to tan out there because that one drove hundreds of thousands of people to the online portal where they could sign up for the affordable health care. my point is, the job of a president is not to satisfy the demands of the major networks are the major daily newspapers. it's to connect with more of the people you represent who may not be clicking refresh and white house.gov or describing to white house newsletters. for a presidential candidate, especially when people are voting, which they are, your job is to engage more people to support your candidacy and get out the vote. people who are probably not

watching me right now. i'm not saying that press conferences or interviews around a range of issues with major outlets are bad. they are all important in parts of democracy. this mission the only people capable of asking a presidential question, a candidate a question are credentialed members of the white house press corps is as insane as it sounds. if you're the harris campaign and you know there are no more debates or conventions and 29 days left to reach voters, this makes a ton of sense to me. 29 days out, having a conversation with alex cooper who has 10 million listeners per episode, is more valuable than any interview with a more traditional outlet. maybe even and i will go on a limb, 60 minutes. my all-star political panel is standing by and some of them might disagree. might disagree. so you can keep saying... you mastered it! you fixed it! you nailed it! you did it!

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i happen to think kamala harris interview with alex cooper on the call her daddy podcast was a huge win for her campaign. if you watched the interview, it's easy to see why. >> us the governor of arkansas said, my kids keep me humble. unfortunately, kamala harris doesn't have anything keeping her humble. how did that make you feel? >> i don't think she understands that there is a lot of women out here who are not

aspiring to be humble. this is not the 1950s anymore. >> that was a very good restrained answer but effective. remember call her daddy is a must listen to podcast by a lot of women and a lot of them liked what they saw. sarah matthews served as procedure for trump. a staff writer at the atlantic and the politics bureau chief and senior political columnist at politico. i want to talk about that interview, some of the 60 minutes were pulling clips which we will share. my breakdown of their strategy. you may not agree with me. what did i get wrong there? >> i think you were largely right, and i will say it makes all the sense in the world for any candidate to take advantage of a large audience to get their message out one month from the election. the role of technology has changed how americans get information.

do podcasts. do between the two ferns. do tv. >> if you were in a different role and advising them, you wouldn't say sit down with a two-hour interview with the "new york times"? >> take advantage of any media or the folks have not decided who they will vote for. or no vote at all. where i differ is the snippet where you said what makes the press corps relevant as they have the exclusive rights to ask questions of lawmakers. what makes the press corps relevant is we are the institution in america that can hold powerful interest, public or private, accountable to the public interest. it's a much barbara -- >> that's not exactly what i said. i said they want to get the interviews because they think they're the relevant want to ask the questions. >> i think there's a larger responsibility that makes us relevant. >> that is true and i believe

in the. i am grateful to see you. it's your first time on my show. you can disagree with jonathan anytime. >> you don't have to though. >> one of the things that's interesting about this. 10 million listeners for her podcast but i want to get this right. call her daddy and their listenership is 70% women and 76% underage 35. that's a hard group to reach through any form of media. do you think watching it, she got what she wanted? will let matter with that audience? >> i think it's pretty clear that harris campaign is targeting women by going to this. when you see trump going to these male audiences when he does and traditional media enter campaign is doing something different there. i think i have various agreements and disagreements. when you take a step back, it's not a question of what is good

for harris' campaign to do. how was the media landscape changed such that it's easy to engage with tons of voters without going to any gatekeepers. it's great she can go on call her daddy and talk about values. they talked about her upbringing, abortion, politics, and the state outside policy details. what happens in a world where candidates don't have to engage in policy specifics? i don't think the previous adoration and media where there were five or six gatekeepers and you have to satisfy them is a great model. new one may have problems. >> it's very much for this moment in time. 29 days out from the election, it's a different time. i think there are spaces for policy interviews. it's whether the only people can do those are legacy outlets. >> we are in a unique situation where she became a candidate quickly. she is a unique candidate in that she came on the national stage very recently to be vice

president and then presidential nominee and does not have a long history of statements on economic policy things outside of criminal justice reform and public safety when she was in california. it's unique relative to other candidates where you can say, you need to know what joe biden has been in office for decades is saying about economic policy. you can look at his statements. >> she did and 81 plan and did a speech and interview. i take your point and policy interviews are important. i am a policy nerd. let me ask you. you were telling us and giving a briefing on alex cooper. you are a listener. you worked for trump. you have had a conservative background. she has a diverse audience. if you were given the biden team advice on how to reach people like you who may not have said they would support harris but maybe open, what

outlets would you have them do? >> that's a great question and call her daddy was a smart move and a graphic you showed, shows a breakdown of the political leanings of that audience you had. i think it was 48% democrat. 24% republican and 20% independent. that is smart for them to meet these voters where they are at. in particular for her to target young women is so important. call her daddy was a great start. i know a bunch of my friends listen to the show who are not politically engaged. >> what did they listen to? >> the morning toast. that would be a huge one. during the pandemic, the biden white house did a good job of putting officials and shows like that. the trump white house tapped into doing some of those and traditional media podcasts during the pandemic to get the message out there. i would say something like the morning toast would be a good one. they call themselves the millennial morning show.

when you are reaching out to nontraditional outlets, you will break through because these clips will live online. it's not even the viewership of the tiktok videos and instagram reels that will get millions of views, and the people who consume a look at the tiny snippet of the message. kamala harris saying on call her daddy that women do not aspire to be humble and it's not the 1950s. that's gotten a ton of traction and it resonates with women and goes in line with what this campaign is been about which is the trump campaign is been attacking women. they haven't made the case to them when you have j.d. vance saying things like childless cat ladies in the trump campaign has been doubling down on the strategy of targeting young man, going on podcast like logan paul, these names might not mean anything to you but these are influencers that a lot of young men listen to for not politically engaged. >> to your point in the tiktok thing, any of us may have, my

friends are not necessarily in her demographic. they saw that clip and they were like, i don't know this podcast and i will listen to this. we have to sneak in a quick break. everyone is sticking around. we have some clips we will show from kamala harris' interview from 60 minutes. we will talk about those after a quick break. a quick break.

you have called him a racist and devices that trump has the support of millions and millions of americans. how do you explain that? >> i am glad your point in these comments out that his mate that resulted any response by most reasonable people to say it is wrong. it's just wrong. >> so many people supporting donald trump, a menu called a racist, how do you bridge that seemingly unbridgeable gap? >> i believe that the people of

america want a leader who is not trying to divide us and demean. i believe the american people recognize that the true measure of the strength of a leader is not based on who you beat down but based on who you lift up. >> so, that was a piece of vice president kamala harris interview and there are more pieces. they are all back with me. we have seen parts of the interview and we can talk about any part that stuck out? that's the hard part of this. i don't know she could've changed the answer. you may have a different take on it. she is attacking trump for lighting and being racist and misogynist but also trying to lure some people her way. >> it's a difficult balancing act the democrats have to plan immigration right now. on one level, there's a lot of voters are concerned about the

way immigration has happened the past four years under joe biden, and kamala harris' watch. this gets characterized as being only about the amount of people coming in but a lot has to do with how it was managed and how people came in. sleeping on the floors in police stations in chicago are overwhelming systems in your. kamala harris knows that the concern a lot of people have. you do not want to accept this framing from trump. >> beyond immigration, the question is, how does she lure people who are trump people or leaning trump people over to her way. you get asked this a lot. >> i do get asked this a lot of how to convince people to see the light or come to the other side. for some voters, you will never get through to them. there are people who will be with donald trump no matter what. there are trump voters that are gettable. they are the nikki haley voters, on the fence, they don't like trump's character

but they like some of the policies like immigration for example. the way to reach them is not to shame them out of their beliefs. that was a grave mistake hillary clinton made when she called trump supporters a basket of deplorables. harris is saying there people craving normalcy. they want someone who will find common ground solutions, and i will be that. >> we tie these together. she went hard on your supporter plan and he killed it. she is a little gentler. you are talking to people. what works? >> the interview tonight was consensus, compromise, and common ground. it's no accident those of the words she used. she was asked about her -- 2019. it's a different answer than the one she gave with different network this summer. she said my values have not changed. >> she was answering a question on fracking and asked a similar question in this interview about

changing her position. >> a litany of issues four years ago. different answer this time. moving more to the center and not being defensive and saying i've been vp and i know what the country wants. consensus, compromise, and common ground. this are magic words for the voters you are talking about who don't want to vote for trump. deplore trump but get there for a liberal democrat. when she says those words, i don't think it's enough, but it's further than she's going to date. >> and i will say on that, it's a good thing. i have been pushed on this how can i identify for a republican but vote for kamala harris? she has moderate her stances on a lot of issues and meeting voters where they are at. i feel we should relish in the facts of forgoing bad policies and ones that are better. middle america's on these things.

it's a good thing she's saving it, and i want to say people are calling her a flip-flop or for moderating. we should give her grace. if she can moderate her positions, when j.d. vance is at the calling trump america hitler now his running mate, she has the grace -- >> is clear through the interview her main concern is not coming off as too liberal to voters. whether her comment about having a glock for her comments about immigration or whether or not she flipped on these issues. what is important is -- imi policy journalist, but people don't care if you flip on your issues. >> -- they may. >> she said she's going on these interviews where she's articulating who she is and not caring about specifics. >> imi s too. not an accident. >> thank you all so much for being here. it's always great to have you.

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