tammy baldwin, again, it's turned into a toss-up, a place where she would have been a bit of a shoo-in. jon tester now. and seems to be behind a fairly vulnerable and weak republican candidate. it's unclear if this is purely kamala harris effect. or what. but the senate democratic forecast is not -- >> right. for sure. and the signs that wisconsin is also a visit for the presidential race in a key battleground. congressional reporter for "the washington post," jackie alemany, thank you so much. thanks to all of you for getting up way to early on this wednesday morning. "morning joe" starts right now. you all have been reporting on the highways, being open, everybody evacuating out,

evacuate now, now, now, you should have already been evacuated. that's not hyperbole, it's a matter of life and death. >> president biden urging floridians in the path of hurricane milton to take seriously evacuation orders from local officials. it comes as the storm is gaining strength in the gulf, expected to make landfall in the next 24 hours. we have the very latest on the hurricane's track. and a live report from florida straight ahead. also ahead, a new book by longtime journalist bob woodward is putting donald trump's relationship with vladimir putin back into the spotlight. we're going into the staggering new revelations. good morning, welcome to "morning joe." it's wednesday, october 9th along with willie and me, we have jonathan lemire, eddie glaude jr. and president emeritus of the council on

foreign relations, richard haass. he's author of the weekly newsletter "home and away" available on substack. we have a lot to talk to, richard, especially on the revelations of covid tests sent to vladimir putin, are you kidding me. we'll get to that, personally from his friend donald trump, i can't. but first, this from willie. yeah, this is a historically dangerous hurricane. the latest out of florida, hurricane milton category 5 storm expected to make landfall thursday night or early friday morning. right now, evacuations under way as residents scramble to flee triggering massive traffic jams and fuel shortages. officials say milton appears to be headed straight for tampa, where the storm surge could reach up to 15 feet of water, obviously cause major flooding from that rainfall and damaging

winds. joining us live from fort myers, florida, nbc's jay gray. jay, good morning. what are you seeing there in terms of preparations and people still having time to get out? >> reporter: yeah, willie, but that window is closing very quickly here. we've seen a bit of rain overnight into the early morning here which is obviously not good for this area. they've seen rain over the last couple of days and getting ready to get a deluge for the storm as it moves closer to the coastline here. what we've seen in the last couple of days is sandbagging. a lot of sandbags moved into place. boarding up of windows, things that you traditionally see ahead of a hurricane. doing that eye were the knowledge that this could be the most powerful storm that many in the area have seen, and they've seen plenty. helene just a couple weeks ago, leaving debris that is still piled up had in some areas and a major concern when that storm moves in, picking up debris, scattering making it projectiles that could be dangerous.

but don't forget ian two years ago that really ravaged this entire region. they're still rebuilding from ian. there are a lot of people that haven't quite finished rebuilding their homes, their businesses, as a result of that storm. now, within hours, they're going to is see what may be the most powerful of all three. there are mandatory evacuations in place. if there's any good news here, it looks like, and we've toured fort myers, we've toured fort myers beach yesterday. it looks like people have listened to the warnings. that they've moved to higher ground. moved out of the area. it was really quiet yesterday and into the evening. so that's the good news. the tough part, and i talked to somebody just last night, willie, about all of this, they were sheltering. they said, look, the tough part is waiting, watching. and seeing where the storm hits and what it may leave behind. and there's a lot of concern about that right now. >> jay, you've seen a lot of these storms in the years. you've covered a lot of them,

just curious, looking at the radar, looking at the path, where this could rank in terms of storms you've seen and what they're preparing for there. and also unique in that tampa also hasn't had a direct hit in more than 100 years. if it stays in the current trajectory, it looks like it's going right at tampa. >> reporter: yeah, i think you're absolutely right, tampa has always managed somehow to be out of the way of these storms. it's closing in on tampa right now. what concerns me compared to other storms how quickly this thing ramped up. it gained 100 miles an hour in strength in less than 24 hours. and it continues to barrel, not only gaining intensity, but also, it's getting a bigger footprint. the windfield is getting much larger, so that's going to be an issue as well. it's very concerning to see how tightly wound this storm is. when you look at the eye of this storm, it's tiny. it almost looks, really, like a buzz saw when you look at those

graphics that you're talking about when you look at the radar. and unfortunately, it looks like that's what this may be as it makes landfall. >> we hope you stay safe, jay. jay gray live from fort myers, florida. we're going to talk to the mayor of sarasota in a few minutes and get to our meteorologist when the storm is going to hit. president biden has postponed a trip abroad to oversee the response to hurricane milton. the president was supposed to travel tomorrow to germany and then angola which would have been his first visit to africa as president. president biden yesterday said he's been in contact with governor ron desantis. >> last night, i spoke again with the governor of florida, desantis, and tampa's mayor caster, and i made clear to them, they should reach out including to me directly, with

anything else they seed as the storm hits. i gave them my personal number to contact me here in the white house. the governor of florida has been cooperative, he said he's gotten all that he needs. i talked to him again yesterday. and i said, no i know, 82 doing a great job, it's all been done well, we thank you for it. and sigh gave him my personal phone number to call. i don't know, there was a rough start in some places, but every governor, every governor, from florida to north carolina, has been fully cooperative and supportive and acknowledged what this team is doing. and they're doing an incredible job. we've got a lot more to do. and meanwhile, former president donald trump and his allies continue to lie about the federal response to hurricane milton and helene. in a post on social media yesterday, trump called the response to helene, quote, the worst in u.s. history. in "the wall street journal" op-ed published yesterday trump's running mate ohio

senator jd vance continued to run with the lie started by the former president last week. writing, quote, under ms. harris and mr. biden, fema has funneled millions of dollars to nongovernmental organizations whose stating goal is facilitating mass migration into the u.s. none of that is true. although it is something trump did as president, right in the middle of hurricane season, back in 2019. and while campaigning on trump's behalf in arizona yesterday, the second highest ranking republican in the house, majority leader steve scalise also pushed that lie. take a look at that. and the response from vice president kamala harris yesterday. to the misinformation being spread by trump. >> fema, among a whole bunch of other federal agencies has been used your tax dollars that's

supposed to help you as american citizens if you get some kind of disaster, and every community gets them. they use that money helping illegals here that they brought into america to get hotel rooms that they're destroying. free cell phones, food, shelter, all of those things. and when an american needs help from their federal government, they say, oh, we're spread too thin and we're out of money. >> it's profound and it is the height of irresponsibility. and, frankly, callousness. >> yes. >> so, lives are literally at stake right now. and the idea that somebody would be playing political games for the sake of himself. this is so consistent for donald trump. he puts himself before the needs of everybody. i fear he really lacks empathy on a very basic level to care about the suffering of other people and understand the role of the leader is not to beat people down, it's to lift people up.

>> absolutely. >> especially in time of crisis. [ applause ] >> so, jonathan lemire, the big lie moves around, whether it's wreaking havoc on our constitutional republic with the lie about the election or lies about january 6. to lives that actually impact people's day-to-day lives and their safety. whether it's about haitians, legal migrants in springfield, making their lives miserable, and people in the town, city of springfield, now to people in disaster zones who are being fed misinformation. and they don't understand and know what is true and what is not true. this, again, is what this election is about what the choice is about. >> yeah. these are lies from donald trump that put people's lives in danger. these are extraordinarily dangerous. we're still seeing in the aftermath of hurricane helene people who are not trustful of the federal response officials who are there. fema representative encountering tense situations when they find people, particularly in western

north carolina who are obviously suffering and isolated after what happened there. and now, we have local officials really concerned about the impact in florida. we heard president biden yesterday kind of go out of his way to speak in partisan terms, look, i spoke to governor desantis. >> the governors also will say, yes, we spoke to the president. we're getting what we need. >> the desantis did not take a call from the vice president, but he did take a call from the president. other senators in georgia have said yes, we spoke to the white house. it's local officials who are deeply concerned we just interviewed the mayor of fort myers a few minutes ago, and he urged sources to turn to the websites. look, this is what you need to hear. you need to get out, listen to us. everything that trump's say is more more dangerous. >> and to the op-ed in "the wall street journal" which we respect and read all the time, talk

about on the show, just publishing and critical what jd vance is saying about the management of this hurricane. we've been saying now since helene hit. and donald trump has been saying these things. what a disgusting moment to go right to lies, to go right to division when people need unity, they need help. by the way, as john points out they're getting the republican governors of tennessee and georgia as well that fema is doing a great job, they're here, they're on the ground. we talked to governor cooper yesterday of north carolina who said it's a tense moment, there's destruction everywhere you look, but we're getting help. and donald trump cannot help himself, and jd vance is the beta, he has to echo the lie. my gosh, what an appalling time to do that. >> first of all, our heart and prayers go out to the folks in the eye of the storm. it seems to be, it's not only bereft, but it's reflection of kind of a moral depravity, so

that you translate people's sorrows into grievance. >> these people's lives are on the line. >> right. and you're translating people's gravity into that nature. it shows you the calculus informing these folks, it's morally depraved in my view. >> and it impacts overall, i don't think a leap, richard haass, when you look at what's happening in this country, we have a system breaking down from top to bottom. because the former president keeps trying to poke holes in what is our constitutional republic. and our systems of responding to people, and federal aid getting to people. doesn't that impact the way that nato allies and others around the world are looking at us, and watching this election ever so closely? >> interaction, there's nothing sacred anymore. >> nothing matters. >> there's no norms. there's simply no norms -- or there are norms, there's just no acceptance of them or observation of them.

yeah. i just came from germany this week, and the rest of the world doesn't get a vote, but, boy, are they worried, they're affected, obviously, by what happens here fundamentally. it's not just foreign policy, it connects to what you said, mika. the impact with the united states in the world is not just what the state department does or the military, it's who we are. it's the example we set. when people see things like this, it gets to the core -- they don't recognize this united states and they're worried if we're divided by the most human crisis, how are we there for them. >> and as i said before, in the middle of the clinton administration that things were as heated as they thought they could ever be, republicans and democrats work together, we had three hurricanes come to shore in northwest florida. bill clinton was there. you want the president of the united states there. you want him there, you want everything that comes with the president of the united states there.

that's what every governor, governor of tennessee, willie, governor lee, a very conservative republican, governor mcmaster in south carolina, very conservative governor, of course, governor kemp in georgia, overwhelmingly popular governor. and you have senator thom tillis in north carolina, all of these officials have been saying that the white house and the administration is doing a great job. and they're very grateful. ron desantis saying he's gotten everything he's asked for. and this -- you know, no standards -- one of the things i always tell people when they spread conspiracy theorys is go to "the wall street journal" pipe said it'smy murdoch paper go to "the wall street journal." as you point out, "the wall street journal" is publishing this information that might as well be in epic times.

the fact that it's from a vice presidential candidate matters not. this is the same man who lied about cats and dogs being eaten when the governor of his own state said stop. this is when you said there are no standards, this is a perfect example of it, willie. there's lies every day. there's people here, in "the wall street journal" that i've respected for decades who are trying to pretend this is just any other election, they're people i've known my entire life. engaging in this anti- -- ain't trumpism. oh, yeah, sure. i said this before. sure, you know, yeah. so, donald trump is lying about eating cats and dogs and donald trump is lying about hurricanes. and donald trump tried to overthrow the 2020 election results. but you see kamala harris' third answer on "the view"? no, we laugh, very dead serious. >> oh, yeah. >> we've seen this for four

years. a very respected u.s. senator who went on to work at a university. told friends, he said, yeah, january 6, okay, whatever. but did you see what biden did with student debt relief? i don't want to -- democrats to ever complain about the riots on january -- see, again, this flattening out that we talk about. and here when people are in such misery and suffering, you have "the wall street journal" editorial page running disinformation, running lies, that the republican governor of georgia, republican governor of south carolina, republican governor of tennessee, the republican governor of virginia, republican senator of north carolina, a democratic senator of north carolina also saying it, all of the local leaders, state officials, republican and democratic alike, are saying this administration is doing everything that we've asked of

it. and yet, disinformation spreads, even in sources that used to be above that. >> and, again, at a time of great suffering which is to donald trump and jd vance and the people who follow him, the politicians who follow him, this is a political game. this is a moment -- >> a flash, a sweet spot. >> it is. and, you know, on a lesser scale, springfield, ohio, was covering, people were suffering because of the lies they were telling and they just didn't care because they felt there was political benefit to that. you're right, joe, people will say of january 6, ah -- but student debt loan. yeah, pick your issue, they listen to people actually on the ground in this case, the mayors, the governors saying, no, it's a terrible scene, but we're getting the help we need from fema and the biden administration. but when you talk to people we know, and friends of ours, they

go, "do you hear" they're actually using the money to build homes and cell phones for illegal immigrants. why aren't you guys covering all of that? so the donald trump lie blocks out the truth among maga republicans. >> the corrosive affect is shocking. i've been shocked by the people who have been swept up in it and cynically playing along. for whatever reason. there's a reason why elizabeth cheney, why dick cheney, kim adelman, 100 republicans that have worked for the reagan administration, bush 21, and bush 43, have come out for kamala harris. >> and joined the party. >> not only party, but only their financial interests over what's best for america.

>> for sure. we're going to go back now to the path of hurricane milton. let's go to sarasota, florida. joining us, the mayor liz alpert. madam mayor, thank you for joining us, tell us about the preparations, evacuations, and what you're hearing in terms of people who perhaps don't want to leave. are there any reports of that? >> i think, for the most part, we're as prepared as we can be. we've been working really hard to get things into place. in the city itself, we've got every police officer on duty from now until the end of the storm. we've got our public works, our utility workers, ready to go as soon as the storm passes. but this is going to be a really, really bad storm. and as you're showing there, the piles of debris that are still

around are going to really act as dangerous missiles, or battering rams in the storm surge. and we work to get up as much as we could, especially on the barrier islands, but operationally, it was just impossible to get to it all. >> madam mayor, i'd love for you, if you could, explain to people that are watching that have not been through a hurricane, maybe didn't grow up -- i grew up in florida, so i've been through it so much. i want you to talk about the emotional impact, the emotional toll that one hurricane can have. you know, i would have friends in past hurricanes who would be on their hands and knees digging through sand for days. and they would tell me like four days later, we found a picture from a wedding. we found a picture of our child, his first steps. but the rest of their lives are wiped away.

and i see the debris on the side of the road from the last storm, and it's hard to explain to people how heartbreaking this is. and what -- not only a physical toll this will be, but an emotional toll on the people of sarasota. >> you're absolutely right. i mean, just going and having people's entire life out on the curb, basically, is what it looks like. businesses just entirely gutted. and, you know, we already just had that with hurricane helene. and now, we're going to have even more of it, you know, it's going to be more widespread. and i think emotionally, for people to have just experienced that two weeks ago and now here we are again, it's really hard on everybody. >> mayor liz alpert of sarasota,

florida. please stay in touch and let us know what we can do to help. >> thank you very much. appreciate it. >> they're expecting a maximum storm surge of 10 to 15 feet near sarasota, that's double hell loan. >> i just want to the say quickly to that point. to let you all know, eddie, you grew up around hurricanes, we got hit several years ago, ivan, got hilt by a massive storm. and it just wrecked so much of the economy. and then another hurricane came behind it was supposed to be, i think, a cat 4. and everybody basically went down, underneath, and when they came out, the storm hadn't had an impact. and i remember grown men going out into the streets and weeping. >> absolutely. >> getting to their knees and thanking god that they were not going to have to pick up again.

their lives destroyed by one storm. that's why the toll of this economically, the toll of this emotionally, eddie, the toll of this spiritually, of these people, along the southwest coast of florida, it would be like hurricane camille followed up by, you know, katrina. >> exactly. joe, i think it was so important you that brought this up. you know, we talk about the threat or the potential loss of life. but the loss of livelihoods, the loss of memories. i mean, this is really important. i remember growing up as a child, anded to hear those winds to see pine straws -- literally, the force of wind would take a pine straw and stick it into a tree. trees falling all around the house. my dad coming out in the eye of the storm to get a sense of the danger. how scared you were. in a tub, trying to find a place, tornadoes running around. and the fact you wake up, you

don't have power. you're trying to figure out how you're going to make ends meet for the next few days. we were happy we weren't going to school but, still, lives are turned upside down. that's got it get back in order for a while. >> their businesses, family businesses, gone for a hundred years just blown away. their homes reduced to dust. >> let's bring in meteorologist michelle grossman for the very latest on the path of hurricane milton. michelle, what is the very latest? >> the very latest, we're still looking for the potential for a catastrophic storm. i think that's so important how you kind of bundled that up into the emotional part of the storm as human beings we say numbers, 165 miles per hour, category 5, we like to put numbers in things. we saw yesterday, people were sitting in their houses not knowing it was the last night in their house. we have less than 24 hours before this storm makes

landfall. that storm is closing any threats. we're going to see threat to life, threat to well-being as you said. for today, we'll see it barreling across the gulf, the gulf is supercharged a record-breaking level. it's fuelling this storm. it will impact a couple ingredients that could weaken it a bit as it gets choicer to land. we're still talking about a major hurricane as it make the landfall tonight into early part of wednesday. 160 miles per hour. that's the latest, 5:00 advisory. moving quicker than yesterday, to the northeast at 14 miles per hour, strengthened back into that category 5 yesterday evening. and we expect it to stay in this carry, as a category 4 storm throughout this wednesday. then we get closer to the coast. that's we think it's going to weak ton a category 3 or category 4 storm. either way, it's a strong category 3 storm. we're talking catastrophic storm surge, unsurvivable. a wall of water that heaves over

a wall. that is where you need to heed warning. rainfall up to 18 inches and also winding gusts over 100 miles per hour. we're going to see not only days, but for weeks to come, if some houses are still surviving in those areas. >> all right. michelle grossman, thank you so much. we'll be following this. still ahead on "morning joe," the biggest revelations from bob woodward's new book, including what we've learned about conversations between donald trump and russian president vladimir putin. we're back in 90 seconds.

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up -- yeah. >> okay. all right. so, it was a beautiful shot, but we have more news to get to. and this next part of our show is pretty staggering. a new book by long time journalist bob woodward reveals former president donald trump has maintained close contact with russian president vladimir putin. >> that's perfectly normal. >> the upcoming book entitled "war" cites that the former president and spoken to vladimir putin seven times. trump was also pressuring republicans in congress to block military aid to ukraine, to defense itself against russia's invasion. additionally, the book reveals that back in 2020 trump secretly

sent putin covid tests for his personal use. at a time when many americans couldn't get them. woodward, the renowned journalist who uncovered watergate concludes that trump as president was, quote, worse than richard nixon. the forthcoming book goes on sale next tuesday. a campaign official issued a response stating, quote, none of these made up stories by bob woodward are true and are the work of a truly demented and deranged -- oh, interesting use of words -- man who suffers from a debilitating case of trump -- >> it's interesting. donald trump talked to him nonstop, could you talk to me on your tape recorder about me lying about covid. >> why get him all freaked out. literally, what he told bob woodward. and you can watch trump yourself if you have friends who go to

rallies or who are trump supporters, urge them to really listen to what he says, because these things add up. richard haass, this is distorting, manipulating and turning around our foreign policy completely, making friends with an adversary, and sending him secret covid tests. >> well, forget the secret covid tests, talking to him while a former president is pushing republicans to not provide aid to a country that vladimir putin and russia invaded. you talk about nothing matters anymore, you know no republicans will speak out about this. nothing matters to them. there are no boundaries, not even the safety of the united states. or its allies. >> it's also at a time when the president said that putin -- the former president said that putin quote-unquote could do whatever he wants. >> called putin brilliant right

after the invasion. >> so, this doesn't take place in a vacuum. obviously takes place after four years of, shall we say, a rather permissive relationship with russia to say the least. also let me say when former presidents and secretaries of state go to talking to foreign leader that is not in and of itself is not unheard of. what is unheard of without full cooperation the government of the day. when you call the white house and secretary of state and say, i'm going there or there or i'm going to talk to this person. would you please brief me on things. is there anything particularly you'd want me to say or not say. after the call, give you a full readout. the idea that you have a half dozen calls between the former president of the united states, and a man who is leading a country that is aggressively fighting a war that the united states is on the other side of -- >> by the way, the same man that jonathan lemire asked, do you trust vladimir putin, ex-kgb

agent, a man who considers america its enemy, or your own intel services more, and he said vladimir putin. the man -- there's so many questions about russia. and donald trump. and it's all dismissed as, quote, russia hoax. >> and it perpetuates what's been a fundamental question of american politics, i don't know, for ten years now. what is this about, what possibly motivates this kind of supportive, tolerant fan boy approach between a former president of the united states and vladimir putin? it continues to reinforce something we don't know. >> and that's happened in a vacuum, it's years of flattery of vladimir putin saying if i'm elected i'll have a deal to end the war in 24 hours if that's true, it would be a deal that would benefit vladimir putin, of course. jd vance, trump's running mate dismissive when asked yesterday about bob woodward's new reporting. >> i honestly didn't know that

bob woodward was still alive until you asked me that question. what little i know about bob woodward is that he is -- i'm going to use a word here -- he is a hack. the guy's a hack. so, have i talked to donald trump about his calls with vladimir putin? no, i've never had a conversation with donald trump in my life. but with donald trump, even if it's true, look, is thering in wrong to speaking to world leaders? no. is there anything wrong with engages in diplomacy? >> yeah. >> ahhh -- >> richard has an answer for that. >> we have something called the logan act. individual private americans are not allowed to carry out their own foreign policies. >> thank you. >> again, you look at jd vance here. and you just ask, what happened to this guy -- a guy -- of course, you know, everything they say, just dishonest. he knows bob woodward's alive.

and he was, you know, had a lot of the concerns bob woodward had. yesterday, an eight-year tweet by jd vance and it is still shocking. how on he was eight years ago about the dangers that donald trump presented. and also said that god expects better from us than to support donald trump. and now, he's doing this -- power -- >> yeah. >> it's -- i can tell you, you know, many failings, but you can ask anybody who served for me -- served with me in congress, not one of them will ever say, oh that joe, he would always measure his words because he wanted to make friends with the leadership. that's not how you get things done in washington. >> eight years ago, carl says,

eight-year anniversary, jd vance, trump makes people i care about afraid, immigrants, muslims, et cetera, because of this, i find him reprehensible, god wants better than us. >> carl quintanilla with that. >> this evolution if we want to call it that, this change over time has been stunning, but it's not a surprise, he knows the way to donald trump's heart is outright flattery every moment of the day. echo the lie, amplify the lies, say what your boss wants to hear, get what you want. and he knows that he is the heir, he believes now, to the maga crown. that if donald trump loses this time around, he's still there, perhaps as he tried to present in that debate, a more palatable

version of donald trump going forward. >> do you remember what donald trump said about john kerry? >> locked up? >> yeah, do we have that -- john kerry should be prosecuted for talking to leaders of iran. >> i'd like to see of iran, i'd like to see them call me. john kerry speaks to them a lot. john kerry tells them not to call. that's a violation of the logan act. frankly, he should be prosecuted on that. my people -- only the democrats do that kind of stuff, you know. if it were the opposite way, they'd prosecute him under the logan act. but john kerry violated the logan act. he's talking to iran and has been. he has many meetings and telling them what to do. that's a totally violation of the logan act. >> wow, 2019. speaking by the way --

>> coherently. >> understanding the law. >> and quoting the logan act which richard just reminded us. let's bring column lift for the daily beast. author of the podcast, new piece, trump having putin on speed dial isn't funny. it's terrifying. david, expand a little bit why you believe it's terrifying that he's backchanneling vladimir putin? >> well, look, it's a pattern of behavior that we've seen, as richard said, for many years now. and it's affected the way he's governed the country. it's not just he's ka noodling with vladimir putin or saying nice things about vladimir putin. he also said he wants to pull u.s. troops out of nato. he also has said, as recently as the debate, he wouldn't say that they wanted ukraine to win the debate. and here he was, in mar-a-lago, surrounded by stolen national secrets, on the phone, to vladimir putin, shortly after

trump had tried to commit a coup, i think we sometimes devalue what happened that day. he said, i don't care about the voters. i don't care about the will of the people. i don't care about where power really resides in our society. i'm going to steal it and hold on to the presidency. and then subsequent to that, he started resuming a relationship with putin that today has putin having his intelligence service pumping disinformation into the debate about this campaign, trying to get trump to win. so that putin can win in ukraine. it's an incredible threat to our national security. and then to compound all of that, of course, we have the story of trump, when americans were dying and a million americans died of covid, under trump. saying, you know, they can't -- those americans, they can't get covid tests.

but i'm going to send a little care package to my pal vlad, because he needs it. even putin had the sense to say back to trump, don't tell anybody about this. >> right. >> they're going to react badly. >> and, you know, i want to underline something that david said, after the coup attempt, he's calling vladimir putin regularly. while he is sitting on a pile of illegally taken -- >> classified -- >> -- classified, highly classified, documents. let me ask you, why did he want them? what in the world was he doing with them? why would he seize those documents and improperly take them to mar-a-lago? we don't know. and a report would say, you know, trump would tell people they had to get out of the room

because he was having one-on-one conversations with vladimir putin. so he's sitting in mar-a-lago on illegally seized documents and having one-on-one phone calls with vladimir putin. >> yeah, one of his closest aides according to the book was in the room with trump and trump dismissed that aide and said, look, i have to talk to vladimir putin now. of course, this case was dismissed by a judge appointed by donald trump in florida. david, you started to talk about this. let's expand this a little further. this is not just violation of the logan act. it's not just trump being subservant to vladimir putin. it's a sneak preview of what donald trump's office would be like were he to take office in november. talk about that for ukraine and beyond. >> well, trump doesn't care about what the people want and trump, you know, cares about trump. he's also not trustworthy. and i think one of the other things we need to take away from this is how are our allies going to react? how are our allies going to

react, when they know, during his presidency, trump passed sensitive secrets and in one case garnered from the israelis, over to the russians. and now they know he has this private backchannel to putin and he's advancing putin's intelligence. are they going to trust us with the intelligence? >> no, they're not. the question answers itself. and i'm glad you brought that up. because do you think the israelis would ever trump donald trump again? he passes on sensitive intel, garnered from the israelis to one of his first white house meetings. and here, he seizes documents from the white house, from all of our closest allies, takes them to mar-a-lago and has one one-on-one calls with vladimir putin. no, this is not trump deranged syndrome. this is not a russia hoax.

it's just one more chapter in donald trump's behavior towards vladimir putin that undermines america's -- really, america's integrity across the globe. and if he's president again, you are right, intel sharing, across countries, is going to be severely challenged. >> yeah. and i mean, one of the things that we saw, you know, it's hard. there's so much stuff to remember back. but how did all of the trump russia cases, how did the george papadopoulos case start. it started because the australias saw some of this interaction and were worried about it. i'm sure when richard was in europe last week, it's what he was hearing. it's what i was hearing. you can't do this again. the threat is too great. you're talking about the hurricane. it's like we're getting a weather report. there is a superstorm called trump bearing down on our national security.

are we going to take the steps to prepare for that or let it flood over us again? time is running out. >> the daily beast david rothkopf, thank you. >> richard, talk about the consequences of this. again, he's sitting on documents seized from the white house. highly classified documents. he's lobbying republicans to vote against aid for ukraine. and he's carrying on a personal relationship with vladimir putin. >> it's all that. there's the anti-ally bias of his foreign policy that he often values relationships with authoritarian friends over democratic allies. there's a strong isolationist tendency. what's at stake in this election, let's be honest, whether the contours of foreign policy over a war that has served us well, three quarters of a century, whether that's

going to be largely continued or whether it's going to be disrupted. quite honestly, if donald trump wins, not just the world, but taiwan, what he said, it's so much closer to china, what are we essentially doing looking out for taiwan. things that we take for granted at home and abroad are up for grabs. literally, joe, with a football analogy, now that the giants have finally won a game. normally, games take place between the 40 yard line. yes, there are consequences, but the convinces are muted. what's interesting about this election what are makes this so different from virtually any other election, other than when the first time donald trump ran and won is that the consequences of the outcome of fundamental. this is not between the 40 yard line. this is between the 40 yard line and the other end zone. so no one should underestimate what's at stake here. >> all right. >> eddie. >> joe, i've been thinking as we

are talking, does it matter, is this a refusal slags, a big story, does it move the needle in any way? does it have any impact? >> let me ask you, does the january 6 riots ultimately matter to republicans? look at the numbers. >> they don't. >> they don't. does anything matter that he does to republicans? which, again, why? what is it about being a republican today that gives donald trump a free pass to do anything he wants? again, you know, i've been talking a lot about conservative icons this past week. >> uh-huh. >> for a reason. for a reason. there has to be some conservatives out there. that understand donald trump is not only a threat to this country, not only a threat to the republican party, but a threat to everything

conservatives have believed. supported, their entire lives. and charles crowdhammer, in his column, when he's talking about man of the century, winston churchill. he said churchill basically -- he shapes -- he saved the 20th century from itself. and he defined what america was about. and as charles was moving towards passing away, he was writing columns, talking about how we won. like, churchill helped define the world that we live in now. the world where totalitarianism is dead. democracy defeated totalitarianism that started in western europe, that started in england in 1940.

and that's the world we live in. and as i read that earlier this week, i thought, and now we have a republican whose heroes are kim jong-un, president xi, vladimir putin and every other dictator. and as donald -- as richard said of donald trump, basically his rivals, his enemies, are those elected in the west in democratic elections. i mean, does that matter? should that matter? >> should it matter? in times such as these, those of us who might not be so enthused with charles crowdhammer, who are burkians in some way that would read edwin burke and find resources in tradition. what i do worry about, what i read, millions of americans with disinformation about vladimir putin won't give a damn and

still vote for donald trump and does not bode well for the country. >> and, willie, speaking about burke, he said again, one of his famous quotes, that institutions that were built up over centuries by compromise, by consensus, by prudence, could be torn down in a day by tyrancy. in a day. what does donald trump say about first day in office. dictator. >> thank you so much. citi field was rocking last night as the new york mets continue their incredible run. now one win away from advancing to the national league championship series. >> all right. mike barnicle is back in the studio to talk about the mlb playoffs and the surprise firing of an nfl coach.

"morning joe" is coming back. >> i love the measured disdain of pablo, as the camera is there. >> no, he's here. he's here for it. ♪♪

an 0-2 pitch, a missile! electric! >> boy, he liked that one, fernando tatis, capping a run for the padres, a powering two-run home run in the left row seats. pat dres win the series 6-5, pushing the dodgers to the brink of elimination. san diego gets a chance to do it at home tonight in game four. >> meanwhile, in queens, the building was rocking, pete alonso doing it again, with a home run by philly's starter

anoah. and mets earn a 2-1 lead in the nlds with a 7-2 victory over the phillies. game four is tonight at citifield. and let's bring in msnbc contributor mike barnicle. and pablo torres. >> the mets are awesome. >> they're a winning roller coaster -- >> what! >> pablo. >> i'm so glad you asks yourselves -- >> a wooden roller coaster? >> it feels like this thing should derail. it feels almost dangerous. laws should have been passed to prevent this kind of cardiac episode, but they get there. the mets are on a run that's historical in terms of its drama, within the last week.

and last night actually was a relief, in so far far as this is just the strongest this team has looked since the playoffs began. so, yes, scary. >> you know what they reminded me of, wooden roller coaster, great american scream machine, six flags over georgia, 1976. scary, but it works. hey, the mets looked exhausted going into the final game. >> 16 days on the road. >> 16 days on the road. you know, they were running on fumes. and yet, they have been touch by an angel here, a baseball angel. >> yeah. >> i mean, whoever it is, siva, whoever it is, these guys keep winning in the most dramatic of ways, don't they? >> you know, the best thing about playoff baseball is there's a thing called momentum. >> big mo! >> you could have the best team, philadelphia has the best roster. >> takes notes.

>> the complete roster, the phillies. the mets don't have the complete roster that the phillies have. but the mets have momentum. proved over and over in the series. you were there last night. so incredible team to watch. incredible gift of accidental greatness. >> and you expect in the mets, you just do. i remember hearing from the mets, '69, may and mets, i always held the mets for that reason. we'll get to the jets in a minute. but cheering for the mets in the playoffs, going into the seventh inning if they're down, you go, they're going to lose. i don't even want to watch this. and that's happened time and time again. and yet, they're winning. they're reversioned the curse for the day. >> if not touched by an angel, touched by grimace. >> yes. very good. >> grimace. >> yeah. >> i was at the game last night with multiple grimaces. people were just dressed up. purple in the stands, purple. yeah, grimace, there was a

promotion earlier in the season, mcdonald's, grimace threw out the first pitch. and that started it. >> everything changed after grimace. >> grimace is the answer. the mets have the best record in baseball second half. the first home game last night, the crowd mattered. the game was tight. phillies ran into luck. landing balls right at people that ended in double plays. the one to alonso -- a bomb there. shawn minaya, a pretty unheralded starter. >> thanks to chris sale. >> that's right. >> he adopted chris sale's emotion. >> i root for the mets if they're not playing in a subway series. it is so fun to see the mets

doing well, to see that stadium rocking. and we were saying there's something about a day playoff game. the sun's still out. the drama goes down. this series is so good when the mets are playing well. >> they're the underdog. we don't need to gild the lily. this is a miserable -- mika is glaring when i use these adjectives -- there's misery -- so much theory the mets fans have needed. >> let's call it this, momentum. >> i respect momentum. we've never seen in the postseason, four straight games where the team had the lead in the eighth inning loses. so to say it's a roller coaster, yes, it's peaks and valleys. right now, we're on a peak and grimace is riding the seven train and -- >> yea, grimace.

>> and it feels like an acid trip. >> so wooden roller coaster rides and acid trip is what you're saying? >> a national pastime. >> by the way, we're going to get to the jets, but we have to talk about the padres. go. >> yeah, baseball, right. the baseball postseason is a sprint that follows an ultra marathon. so, i'm inclined to comfort the dodgers saying you could be the best team in the regular season and then lose so often. they were 8-5, padres against the dodgers, this is one of those games you say to yourself, you have the best franchise in l.a., we have shohei ohtani, the greatest player in history and yet these padres -- >> and, mike, they've got a payroll that just spends billions of dollars, it's ridiculous, the dodgers. and they keep getting knocked out in a divisional series.

may not happen here, but they just aren't taking it deep. >> padres also have a stupendous payroll. they've paid a lot of money for guys like bogaerts, but the guy that hit that, fernando. >> he's got four runs already. injuries, suspensions. america hasn't seen a spotlight this before. he has responded. the dodgers have no pitching. >> he's stepping into it. i've got a question for you, first of all, they treat this man as a criminal as he leaves. >> yes, they do. >> i've got a question for you, was his fate sealed when he tried to hug aaron rodgers a couple weeks ago and rodgers pushed him away? is this how it works with aaron rodgers, you throw three enter sessions, you suck, you cause your team to have a horrible start -- >> okay, joe --

>> and you fire the coach. i just said, you dart for the weekend, fire the coach. i'm dead serious, by the way. >> by the way, a coach a defensive guy who has had one of the best defenses in the league. >> yes. >> and yes, the body language psychology here, sometimes it's exactly what you're thinking. your eyes are not lying to you. and aaron rodgers is not only the quarterback in history to also be the shadow general manager of his team. saying robert saleh, you're fired. robert saleh, who, by the way, is escorted out of the building by security. >> incredible. >> it's a crazy thing for the former ambassador to the uk, under donald trump, woody johnson to do, after he watches his jets get curb-stomped by the vikings in london. >> by the way, how fascinating that the new york jets are a really good team top to bottom, except for their quarterback. >> yeah.

>> and their quarterback is now the general manager. oh -- this is one of the best jets teams, minus their quarterback. >> all roads lead to mac jones, baby. >> johnson spoke before the firing saying rodgers had nothing to do with it. >> come on. >> let's go on a wooden roller coaster together. >> cyclone. >> the cyclone, where's that? >> coney island. >> let's do it. >> if mika's going i'm going to go. i'll bring my vomit bag. >> yeah. >> that and metaphors, yeah. >> pablo, thank you. it's two minutes past the top. hour, we have a lot -- >> wait a second, vomit bags,

metaphors, dropping acid and wooden roller coaster rides. pablo, can you come back tomorrow? >> anytime. >> see you tomorrow. >> thank you. now, to the top of the hour, hurricane milton has once again strengthened to a category 5 storm. it's expected to make landfall late tonight or early thursday morning. with forecasters warning it could be one of the most destructive hurricanes on record. right now, preparations and evacuations are currently under way, as residents scramble to flee, triggering massive traffic jams and fuel shortages. officials say milton appears to be headed for tampa. where the storm surge could reach up to 15 feet of water, causing major flooding, rainfall and damaging winds. meanwhile, the federal emergency management as is debunking misinformation and conspiracy theories that have spread in the aftermath of hurricane helene. nbc news senior white house

correspondent gabe gutierrez has the details. >> reporter: in the aftermath of hurricane helene, with hurricane milton barreling towards florida, president biden is calling misinformation about the federal response un-american. >> it puts people in circumstance where is they panic. really, really, really worry and think they're not being taken care of. >> reporter: former president trump and some his allies keep spreading false claims. >> for one thing, 1 million dollars were stolen for illegal migrants. >> reporter: that's not true, fema has had $1 million for migrants but from a separate program, not the disaster relief. and might go grants are also offered $750 even though they could qualify for more. >> he really lacks empathy on a very bake level to care about the suffering of other people. >> reporter: on social media even more outlandish conspiracy theories are exploding from false claims of fema stealing

from organizations to weather controlled by antarctica. >> amount of misinformation continues to grow unnecessarily, and it's just really creating an interference for us to be able to do the job that we need to do. it prevents them from actually coming in and asking for help. but we also pressed the fema administrator about criticism of the federal response. >> administration was slow to get started. we're already beginning to see that mobilize about a week too late. >> reporter: including from helene sur viber. >> i've heard them say on the radio that hell loan is here, but i haven't seen them. >> reporter: what do you say to people like her? >> just because you don't see a person wearing' fema shirt does not mean that we're not here. >> reporter: in florida, there's another political storm brewing between ron desantis and vice president kamala harris, a source familiar with the situation tells nbc news he's refused to take her calls. >> it's utterly irresponsible and it is selfish. >> reporter: desantis fired back saying he did not know she'd

called. adding she'd spoken with president biden and harris has no role in the process. >> she's the first one who is trying to politicize the storm, and she's doing that just because of her campaign. >> no, there's disinformation being spread. joining the conversation we have foreign affairs columnist for the ntsz nts blgs thomas friedman, great day to have you, there's the macro, climate change, that issue overall what's happening in florida, especially in the southern states across the country and in places where you least expect it in north carolina. and the disinformation. let's start with climate change. what should we be learning about the levels of destruction that we are about to see? >> well, you know, mika, you can actually bring these two stories together, the climate of politics and the climate of climate change. i've written before about these concepts of mangroves. mangroves grow in coastal areas, they do four important things in nature. they buffer storms.

they provide nurseries for young fish to go because they have capable roots. they basically filter toxins and pollutants and they anchor the shore. and the saddest part of where we are in america, we've lost our mangroves, but not just in nature. used to be in man groshs, if you had unprotected sex with a stripper a month before you're running for office, you'd be out of politics. >> right. i see where you're going. >> shame used to be a mangrove. local news used to be a mangrove. we've lost our mangroves in nature and politics and society at the same time. norms were a main grove. you just didn't pull this kind of nonsense in the middle of a storm. this storm brought together we've lost our mangroves in nature. >> by the way, it's happened very quickly, tom. it's happened very quickly. because what's going on now, disinformation being spread. and the newspaper, editorial page i've read every day of my life. >> yeah. >> along with "the new york

times," spreading disinformation from jd vance the same guy that lied about cats being eaten in his state. >> yes. >> damaging his constituents. and now you have governors, republicans from tennessee, georgia, south carolina, virginia, i mean every state affected by this, north carolina, all saying ignore the lies. >> yeah. >> you're getting in the way of the relief. "the charlotte observer" saying, this is the worst thing donald trump and vance can do right now. and yet, you talked about the mangroves. suddenly, it's showing up in one of the most respected editorial pages in the world. >> well, that's really a sign of apocalypse, joe. because when you lose you're man groves in a world where we're all wired together and now this stuff can just go anywhere, super fast and super deep. it's terrible. what's happened -- we saw it first with covid, like masks

became politics. now, literally, everything is politics. a hurricane becomes politics. >> that really was the line. >> right. >> for bipartisanship. it was like when a catastrophe is headed to a part of this country, republicans, democrats, whatever, all came together to help people whose lives were in danger. >> and basically, all of these problems, we can go back to climate change, they all require what i call complex adaptive coalitions. you need coalitions to deal with them, whether it's globe allies or local allies. people got to pull together. and now everything from our information ecosystem blows people apart. >> so, i'm looking and seeing how quickly the mangroves have died off. steve king, guy i served with, republican from iowa, made some intemperate marks, racist. >> yeah. >> entire republican party turns on him. he's booted out. leaves in 2023.

here we are -- i'm sorry, did i say '23 -- >> it was a while back. >> while back. 2015. booted out. here her, ten years later. and the republican nominee is saying so much worse. and again, people that you grew up respecting on the right that i grew up respecting on the right, they forgive it. they apologize for it. they sort of try to flatten out -- oh, yeah, the mangroves may be bad. but, you know, if you look, and see it, it's warmer in january. >> yeah. >> you know, joe, for all of those reasons, i'm a pretty moderate person, i don't get excited. i saw some crazy stuff as a journalist in beirut, this is the first time i'm really worried. >> yeah. >> i grew up in minneapolis, we

had anti-semitism back then. over the years, kind of grew out of it. now as a 71-year-old adult, i have to start to worry about this stuff? in a world where you've got, again, an incredible conveyor belt. one of the key people in charge of that conveyor belt, elon musk, is actually participating in this process and actually feeding misinformation into that system. this is now democracies die, i'm sorry. >> this is sweet spot. >> talk about the mangroves going away under donald trump. go back to july of 2015 where he makes the comment about john mccain and said i prefer my war heroes who weren't captured all in american politics say you can't do that, particularly in the republican party, he's done for. i remember in the "new york post" next day, it said, game over, what did we see after that? his numbers go up. now it's a canary in a coal

mine. i'm curious, you talk to a lot of people, we talk to a lot of people who stood behind donald trump he's are well-educated and wealthy people who are willing to look the other way because they like his idea for corporate tax rates or corporate tax gains, whatever it is. how do you explain people knowing all they know about him, all of his failings who could becomeful re-elected staying with him about this? >> you know, willie, at this moment when i watch this, all i want to say what is wrong with you? what is wrong with you? the interview of liz cheney before the last election, at the end of it, i said to her, liz, how could there only be one of you? how could there only be one of you in that party? and you're so right, willie, unless it comes from inside that

party, it's got to start there. we all can do our part. by the way, the democrats have their own craziness, too. there are people in the party that speak out against this. unless you have decent republicans willing to stand up and not worried at the country club they're going to get banned or not invited to the next republican dinner, this is code red for our democracy now. this storm you that started -- again, my idea we've lost our mangroves in nature of politics at the same time, when that happens, okay, you are in a really dangerous situation, in a world again where china can feed into it, russia can feed into it, iran can feed into it. and you know, the only ecosystems in nature that survive when the climate changes are those that built complex adaptive networks where all of the elements of the ecosystem network together to maximize their resilience, productivity and adaptability. but you've got to do it again.

interdependence is not our choice, it's our condition. we're going to rise together, and fall together, but, baby, whatever we're doing, we're doing it together. so unless we come together in a different way, we're going to be just vulnerable to more and more of these political and natural storms. >> so, tom, how did october 7th change the ecosystem within israel? >> you know, obviously, it was a huge shock, mike. and it was the worst -- number of jews that died in a single event since the holocaust. but again, it's a very good analogy in terms of losing their mangroves. what was going on the year before? the year before, netanyahu's party was attempting a judicial coup that split the israeli society down the middle.

i wrote the other day a group of hundreds of air force fighter pilots asked me to zoom with them in a few months before the war to talk about what was going on because i was fighting with them against this judicial coup. one of them stood up and said i'm thinking of leaving. you're talking about the tip of the tip of the spear. and hamas said the jews are fracturing, this is our moment. >> later today, president biden is expected to peek with prime minister benjamin netanyahu, and talking about the response of iran. what do you anticipate? >> i think what they're going to talk about is what target they're going to hit in iran. israel has said it's going to hit targets in iran. is it going to be out facilities, is it going to be nuclear facilities or military bases? what the administration is urging them to do is just hit military bases. but, you know, the bigger question is how does israel win?

okay. and the only way israel can win is that, you know, if you look at the middle east, you have a whole set of regimes there. think about syria and egypt. mubarak and theshaw had one thing in common. they weren't ready to kill its people. bottom up, they were able to topple them, syria. that prime minister, that president, bashar assad was actually willing to kill all of his people. the problem with these regimes, they will actually kill all of the people in the same power. it's even more complicated, they will, because they also draw on a slither of side that are wants them. hezbollah lives off the shia that lives there, and the shia protects them against the christians and muslims. in shia, it was the muslimites. the most that ice real could do,

it's not small, hit hezbollah hard enough that you get a cease-fire. you get a cease-fire in lebanon, you get a cease-fire in gaza. that's what they're hoping for. then you let the things happen from the inside out. if there's a cease-fire with hezbollah and israel and hamas in gaza, maybe then, what happens, is some of the people in iran start to say, we spent billions and billions of dollars, okay, of building up hezbollah, and our missile system. and it didn't work at all. you wasted all of that money. the people in gaza, imagine that there's a cease-fire in gaza -- that hamas gets what it wants cease-fire and full israeli withdrawal. i wrote before, i'd actually want to be there when that happens, i want to be there at the press conference when the leader of hamas, i want to be in the first row. i want to ask the first question, i want to say, you won, you got a cease-fire, and you got full israeli withdrawal from gaza.

i just have one question for you, pal, what did you have on october 6? you had israeli withdrawal and cease-fire. you sacrificed 42,000 of your premium. and it was a human sacrifice. in order to get back to exactly where you were. and he did that, and let us remember, he is not excusing israeli access this year, but he wanted to sacrifice those people because he understood sacrifice that many people, you know what you do, you win the next generation on tiktok. and he traded tens of thousands of his people for the next generation on tiktok. and guess what, it worked. >> so, yeah, i've supported israel my entire life, certainly, unlike benjamin netanyahu, i would never ask qatar to fund terrorists, the way benjamin netanyahu was funding hamas terrorists. unlike donald trump i wouldn't call hezbollah brilliant. they're terrorists. they're savage terrorists. so, i understand the threat. and i agree, the threat has to be eliminated.

you did say something, though, about israel, that causes me grave concerns. and it caused me grave concerns before october 7th. you talked about those pilots. i had a friend close ties to leadership in israel, who is telling me a year before october 7th that israel was in a bit of a civil war. and he said the pilots, they're secular. >> yeah. >> they understand how to protect israel. the mechanics, they're orthodox. he said, the pilots and the mechanics can't even talk to each other. he said, israel is split, and we're concerned. as we have moved forward, and we have seen the secular jews that protected israel since 1948 get shoved to the side, and benjamin netanyahu continued to move

forward with an extremist coalition, allowing extremists to run roughshod in west bank. do whatever they want to do with palestinians. i mean, i can say that, as zionist, i can say that as a supporter of israel. i can say that as a guy who says the united states, you know, has a responsibility, to protect jews and to protect israelis. and that's near the top of my list. but i'm deeply concerned with the religious extremism that has taken hold, that allowed october 7th to happen. and it is allowing the chaos and the lawlessness to happen on the west bank right now. a deliberate attempt, a deliberate attempt, in a decade's making, to kill any prospects of peace with palestinians. >> you know, joe, i've said for

a while, i watch israeli politics very closely for a number of reasons, but one is because israel is to wider trends in western civilization what will off broadway is to broadway. stuff happens in miniature first. bibi netanyahu and donald trump are brothers from different mothers, okay? and what they both have in common is they want to win and lead by division. israel is being divided literally by that leader. now, your mind, joe, it actually resist's you say -- it can't be. this country faces an existential threat and the prime minister of that country is prioritizing his own survival over the our viral of -- no, it can't be. it is. to the messiest capitalists.

trust me -- >> they also didn't grow up in the military. they also doesn't grow up in the intel service. >> that's right. these people walked right out of the second temple. and netanyahu's great sin, in my view, he brought these people to the center of israeli politics. and you know, the only good thing about donald trump and bibi netanyahu is that god only made one of each. thank goodness. and maybe, if they move away from the scene, both of these countries can start to heal themselves from the inside. >> "the new york times" foreign affairs columnist and author of the book "from beirut to jerusalem" tom friedman, thank you very much for coming on this morning. >> pleasure, mika, thank you. >> we appreciate it. for and still ahead on "morning joe," the behind-the-scenes story of the 312 days that changed american politics forever. veteran journalist chris wallace

joins us next, with his new book. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. >> i always have to read my books, too, after somebody writes them for me. >> oh, stop.

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>> yeah, tony dokoupil apologized. that's not true. >> that was a very compelling interview. by the way, everybody was fine with it. >> it was a great segment. >> there were actually two people who disagreed with each other. respectful. civilized. >> ended joyfully. >> ended joyfully, again, i guess, somebody was triggered. >> what was -- >> a journalism broke out on the set -- >> culture team prompted to decide what happened. >> one or two people at cbs spoke out. >> well, i'm really proud one woman really stepped up for her colleague. we'll get to this another day. >> another day, another time. holy cow, here's a report. fragile, fragile people in newsrooms. >> i worked there. >> i was going to ask you, did that sound like the cbs --

because you worked -- >> no, jan sounded like cbs. >> jan crawford, yes. >> i don't know what went on there, really, really rough. we'll talk about that later. >> mike -- >> you're taking my time, guys. >> we've got four hours. >> okay, good. new book. we're going to get to your book, i promise. a new book, this is big news this morning, longtime journalist bob woodward reveals that former president donald trump has maintained close contact with russian president vladimir putin since leaving office. the upcoming book entitled "war" cites an unclaimed name speak that donald trump has spoken as much as seven times with vladimir putin since leaving the

white house in 2021. the book alleges with the conversations between trump and putin, trump was pressuring republicans in congress to block military aid to defend itself against russia's invasion. the book reveals back in 2020 trump secretly sent putin covid tests for his personal use, at a time when many americans could not get them. a spokesperson for the trump campaign vehemently denied both of woodward's claims. >> lies and jd vance said that bob woodward was dead. legendary journalist, chris wallace, coauthor of "countdown 1960." chris, you're a legend in the news business. your father is a legend in the news business. i want to ask you, how do we sort this out? not only as people who report on the news, not just this story,

but just the constant fire hose? i mean, it seems like cats catastrophe fied when they say they're lying about cats and dogs, they're still lying about this, they're still lying about the hurricane. where have you, nine years into this donald trump era, how have you come down to the best way to communicate what's true and what's not true to your viewers? >> it's a really good question, i think it's something that we as journalists ask themselves all the time. and on the one time, you have to point out that the lies are lies, you know, in terms of putin, it's so funny, because i -- maybe i'm wrong, but no, i went and googled it today. in 2019, trump accuses john kerry of breaking the logan act. >> right. >> right. >> basically from the late 1700s, that you couldn't have

individuals conducting foreign policy because of the fact he was continuing to have conversations with iranians with whom he had negotiated the iran nuclear deal that trump had pulled out of. trump is accusing kerry of breaking the logan act. and then it turns out he's having private conversations with vladimir putin. >> right. >> in addition to which, as has been pointed out, he had a whole cache of top secret documents at mar-a-lago, who knows what he was doing with putin as far as that's concerned. on the one hand, you have to point out what's wrong. on the other hand, he is the republican nominee. 75 million people did vote for him. so it's a tough balancing act because they weren't all crazy, you know. a lot of people think he is the person who should be the next president. and it's our position to -- we point out the facts but we can't tell people how to think. nor should we tell people how to think. >> right. >> and if they want to accept it, that's on them. it's called democracy.

>> mike, "countdown 1960" the latest of chris' installment on the incredible "countdown" books, let's talk about this race. tell us what you remember about it and ask chris questions. as we were saying before we came on the air, this is a race that seems to shake everybody that i've looked up to in media. this was a defining moment for them. >> you know, what i remember about that race, obviously because of where i grew up in greater boston, massachusetts, was the fever pitch on behalf of john f. kennedy, favorite son, but also a catholic, and he'd be the first catholic to be the president of the united states. at that period of time there was residual aftereffect of people who came over from ireland, landed in boston or wherever, couldn't find jobs, were treated evilly, poorly by the

establishment. and he was going to be their reward to sticking to america. and the stunning fact that hadn't occurred to me until you mentioned it to me off camera, the two candidates running for president, nixon and kennedy, were the first two candidates born in the era. >> there were a lot of things about kennedy about possible vulnerabilities, he was young, a rich boy. there were rumors about his health. in fact he was quite a sick man. but yet in the end, his father said there's only one issue, are americans going to vote for a catholic? there had only been one catholic nominee for president who was al smith, back in 1928, who got clobbered by herbert hoover. so this question of religion. joe biden is a catholic, nobody thinks boo about it.

but kennedy in september of 1960, has to go to a big protestant meeting in houston. and basically said, nobody asked me what my religion was when i fought world war ii. nobody asked my brother what his religion was when he embarked on a raid and a plane exploded. he basically had to make the argument that a catholic could be an american and not take orders from the pope. that was the concern, that he would be a tool of the vatican. >> chris, i'm not sure people realize, this book is a good reminder. this is the first of modern campaigns. with the media, a tv campaign, there was a famous debate. people on the radio heard it differently than people who saw it on tv. fundraising. massive fundraising, born in 1960. and really the length of the campaign. they used to be sort of shorter affairs. this was a longer campaign as well. >> yeah. and the other thing, and this is

how kennedy won it, the nominations used to be decided in smoke-filled rooms, and lawrence in pennsylvania, and dick daly in chicago. and kennedy realized because he wasn't one of the pore broker, lyndon johnson was, the senate majority leader, that the only way he could conceivably win is go out in the primary. there were only 16 primaries then. and he said basically, i'm going to win this not by going into a smoke-filled room but going to the people. he won famously there, went to wisconsin and beat hubert humphrey. and way ahead in west virginia, 95% protestant, suddenly, bobby, his campaign manager said you're behind. how am i behind? i was ahead. he said, they just discovered you're a catholic. there was also a lot of money. the gath, the mob, was involved in this. a lot of undercover money that

went to political bosses. one quick story, richard -- cardinal curbing gets all of the offerings on a sunday and he handed them over to joe kennedy. kennedy gives curbing and the church a big donation for which he gets a tax deduction. now joe kennedy has all of this untraceable money and he gives it to the mob to give to the preachers, protestant preachers, in west virginia, to promote jack kennedy. and the reason we know this, cushing bragged about it years later, to hubert humphrey, saying hey, it was good for the church, the catholic church, it was good pour the protestants and the candidate. >> let me ask you guys, there was a story about -- i don't know it was teddy white who started tearing up after kennedy

won west virginia. said, oh, my gosh, these people, they looked past this cath catholicism and still voted for a catholic. and the statement, the follow-up, well, it wasn't really anything more than all that cash that was dumped on them. >> there was -- i knew a fellow, he was a member of the governors' council, an uniquely impotent board in massachusetts. his name was sonny mcdonough, he was a very good friend to cardinal cushing and joe kennedy. he was in charge of taking a satchel, cash, it was catch to west virginia to disperse. he had people in west virginia who were going to disperse it. the only question about what bobby kennedy had, according to senator mcdonough was not if it

was legal or not legal, it was how much sonny took out of the bag before leaving for boston. >> at one point, a group, or the mob goes to the preacher and says, what do you need to win this at your county? and he says 35. and he hands him $35,000. he goes, no, no, i only need $3500. he ace, ah, keep it. it's all right. they had plenty of cash. >> yeah. i think at this point for people who are watching and horrified and say oh, my gosh, the democrats stole that race. there were charges of corruption on both sides. of course, the mob in chicago. but as telling you before, when we had pat buchanan on, we asked pat one time, why didn't you challenge the race? they stole illinois, they stole west virginia. and pat's answer was, because we stole kentucky, too. and pat is very proud of it.

but there were charges of -- like, racists today, there were charges of corruption, fixing of the mob, sam giacana. >> what went on in illinois with richard a. daly where kennedy one by 8100 votes and in texas where it was rampant fraud with paper ballots. it was pretty dramatic. kennedy, you're right. there was some stuff on the republican side and maybe if they had a full investigation kennedy would have won in the end. but if nixon had been able to flip just illinois and texas, he ends up being president instead of jack kennedy. >> let's just drill down a little more on that. there's so many parallels was willie noted from the election now with the accusations of the election being rigged. take us behind the scenes why did nixon make a different choice than trump and not pursue

and say hey, this isn't on the up and up, why didn't he concede? >> well, it may be the pat buchanan issue, hey, we've got dirt laundry ourselves. two, you got to remember, it's the height of the cold war. and the idea that you're going to contest an election and take it to the courts and the country won't know who the president is more months when you've got nikita grew shev ahead of the soviet union and missiles pointed. another factor, richard nixon, 47 years old, even as upset as he was about what happened, i think he thought, this will brand me as a sore loser, as a bad guy. and i'll have a political future. and as it turns out, he did have a political future. but that's one of the points in the book, is that in 1960 with rampant vote fraud, nixon decides not to contest it, and actually presides as the vice president in january 6th, '61,

over the counting of the vote, and declares john kennedy the next president. conversely, you've got really noll fraud in 2020, or so far the indication of it in 2024. and you've got trump who fought like the devil. >> yeah, that's -- >> of course, the next year would solution the governor's race. the famous press conference, you won't have nixon to rick around kick around anymore. and six months later, president of the united states. >> you could argue this was the origin story for nixon becoming a villain, like the joker. how did he become a joker? >> right. >> because he runs in '68, he wins. one would argue, watergate and all of that, somebody would say we'll steal an election, i'll steal an election, it doesn't matter what i do. you end up with nixon and the decisions he makes in watergate. >> the new book, "countdown

1960, the 360 day story that changes politics forever." thank you, chris wallace, it's so great to have you on "morning joe." come back. >> invite me. >> i shall. >> you get permission from cnn. >> i like that very much. >> we have a big window. >> okay. good to see you. >> thank you. coming up, a new documentary goes behind the scenes of this year's election to the lens of someone who knows a thing or two about successful campaigns, james carville, the democratic strategist, joins us straight ahead on "morning joe." (marci) what is going on? (luke) people love how the new homes-dot-com helps them get quick answers about any property by connecting them to the actual listing agent. (agent) oh! so, i'm done? (luke) oh, no, no, no!

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new documentary "carvelle winning is something stupid." it digs into the career of james carville and chronicles carvelle's efforts to convince president joe biden not to seek re-election. james carville joins us with the film's director matt turnow. i want to hear what that conversation was like. >> what conversation are you talking about? >> with joe biden. >> no, that was a long time, before the unpleasantness happened in 2022. >> so, tell us what you learned through all of your years with politics, starting with bill clinton, and how what's still a prize today in 2024, when you break politics down to its bare essence. >> be aggressive. don't take anything for granted. i think that's a good lesson for

vice president harris' campaign. go back in. every day. >> is she doing that? >> i think they can do better. i do think they do it's great. long-form interviews. they have to set the agenda themselves. and how in the world they ever let jd vance get by with saying that president trump salvaged obama. when they tried to wreck it at every junction. they should be out there hitting every day. every day. the lesson of my life in politics is aggressiveness pays off. >> you know, i just ran little congressional districts. >> right. >> i'd start panicking a year ahead of time. >> yeah. >> i'd say, i don't have i don' enough time. three weeks beforehand, i would be freaking out. i don't have enough time to do everything i need to do. and that's when it was one little congressional district. so you're running nationwide, there were a lot of democrats that were concerned, lemire wrote an article about it, that they seemed to disappear right

as they were getting momentum. now she's back out there, doing a good job, but again, you concerned about that? >> i'm always concerned. my least favorite question, james, who do you think is going to win the election? i don't know. i'm trying to figure out how to win it. you know, let david washington and nate silva figure out who's going to win. haas what they do for a win. >> that's like trying to figure out who's going to win a football game in the second quarter. it depends on who blocks and tackles best in the fourth quarter. >> four weeks to go. i'm curious, you've done some great work. studio 54 film, "where's my roy cohn," what was it about james that made you say, i want to make a documentary about this guy. >> this is a guy who had a 32-plus political career, arguably taught democrats how to win again in 1992 after years in

the wilderness. that was enough for a james carville movie. but little did i know, he would insert himself into the 2024 election as a true insurgent and i think change the entire trajectory of the election. >> how so? >> well, i think he was telling president biden, as a democratic elder statesman, to not run. it was a moment when i was shooting in may of 2023, when an abc news/post poll came out, he was looking at internal numbers in the poll, talking to stephanopoulos and paul begala, and he saw it then. and i started to follow him as he payment a true insurgent, and i believe the elder stateman in the party in way like vernan george and bob straus was, people who could go to the president, he was doing it over the airwaves, of course, and say, don't do this, you're going to lose. >> what did you see when you looked at that in 2023? what did you see? >> it was just gut-wrenching

numbers. and when you see as many polls as i do, it was worse than i thought, direction of the country, favorability, don't want people to run. at every juncture in the polling, you just knew it wasn't going to change. it was just stuck. >> did age show up in that poll? >> every time, in every focus group. he would mention president biden's name, and people bury their face in his hands and go, oh, my god, he's old. you couldn't get people -- i'm unfortunate, i have a lot of friends that are still in the business. you couldn't get by, they wouldn't entertain anything. and you could see that that was really crippling his chances to be re-elected. >> have you ever seen a politician on the campaign trail better than bill clinton? >> no. no. >> is there a close sect? since '92? >> maybe edwin edwards, but that was -- >> oh!

>> i don't think anybody is even -- i mean this, was even close to him in terms of just retailability, you know, the ability to turn on a dime, to be able to do a press conference with a five-minute briefing. no, there's not. he was extraordinary. >> going back to -- you said, be aggressive. can you explain, politics, at the end of the day, it's not that hard. people make it hard. it's about loving people. like, bill clinton like loved to be out there, he loved shaking hands, he loved campaigning, he loved hugging people -- i'm talking voters here -- he loved the campaign. and so many of the people that come to washington now, and i've got to say, some presidents in the 21st century, they don't love the game. they just don't love it. >> no, and the other thing about the game of politics, it's mind-numbingly simple, okay? and everybody wants to

complicate it. everybody wants to be in policy. everybody wants to be something and we made -- matt made the point, it's about salesmanship. if you're not willing to go out there and sell, you're not willing to do anything. every day. >> i also ask a simple question, what do you need? how can i help you? what do you need? >> i don't think it's that simple now. we're living in the age of massive disinformation, of one side that doesn't care about the facts, that lies about everything, won't admit to anything. and is putting our constitution and our are republic at risk. stop me if you disagree. >> no. >> and them the other side doing what you would consult to do, what you would suggest to do. i don't think it adds up. i don't think it's a match anymore. >> well, i think if i -- no, what i think joe and i are saying, they need to sell harder. we need to really sell. because you've got all of this disinformation. you're correct, but they've got

to selectively pick out what it is that they want to talk about. we've talked about january 6th ad infinitum, ad nauseam. we've talking about who won the election. leave it alone, go to j.d. vance's massive lie on health care. have bill clinton go do actualities in every market, in every swing state. >> or barack obama. >> have obama come out and say, how dare he say this about our health care plan. and have bill clinton go and explain, we all know that the public doesn't, how tariffs will destroy the economy of the united states. and here we're coming from green bay, wisconsin, we have former president bill clinton, who's joining us remote. fine, just do that. >> how about republicans? could they do more with republicans? >> well, we get a lot of republicans that are coming out. i think that the liz cheney, the dick cheney stuff, all of these national security people coming out, i think that helps. i really do. >> let me ask you, matt. what are people going to see --

what are they going to learn in this movie that they didn't know about james or politics before? >> i learned that james had a project, a lifelong project. he comes from a place in southern louisiana that is filled with the disinfranchised, overwhelmingly african-american town called carville, louisiana, that had then what was known as a leper colony in it called the carville hospital. he's from a place with the disenfranchised. and what i saw and was moved by, he made his life a movement to help the disenfranchised through politics. that's the key to james carville that you'll see in this movie. but he also shows people how to win, and often he says, hit harder. >> james, i swear i'm not going to ask you, what's going to happen, who's going to win, because we get that question every day and we don't have the answer. but what does kamala harris need to be focused on now with four weeks until the election day. >> we want to turn the page to a fresh candidate. we don't want to go back to what

we had before. and as mika was pointing out, there's a better way to do this. and i think if they do that and stay focused, i think they're going to win. i really do. but it's a work in progress. you know, middle of the third quarter right now. we've got a lot of football left. >> all right. the new documentary, "carville: winning is everything, stupid" hits theaters in new york city this friday and in los angeles on october 25th. james carville and matt turnow, thank you so much. >> go, tigers! up next, we're going to bring you the latest on hurricane milton, as it churns closer to making landfall along florida's gulf coast. also ahead, u.s. ambassador to japan, rahm emanuel is our guest. his op-ed in the "wall street journal" outlines how the u.s. and its allies can weaken china economically. we'll talk to him about that and much more. we're back in two minutes. much . we're back in two minutes.

as you've all been reporting on the highways, the shoulders being opened, everybody's heading out, and if you're under evacuation orders, you should evacuate now. now, now, now. you should have already evacuated. it's a matter of life and death, and that's not hyperbole, it's a matter of life and death. >> president biden urging floridians in the path of hurricane milton to take seriously evacuation orders from local officials. it comes as the storm is gaining strength in the gulf, expected to make landfall in the next 24 hours. we have the very latest on the hurricane's track in a live report from florida straight ahead. also ahead, a new book by longtime journalist, bob woodward is putting donald trump's relationship with vladimir putin back into the spotlight. we're going to go through the staggering new revelations. good morning and welcome to "morning joe."

it is wednesday, october 9th, along with joe, willie and me, we have the host of "way too early," white house bureau chief at politico, jonathan lemire. professor at princeton university, eddie glaude jr. and president emeritus of the council on foreign relations, richard haass. he's author of the weekly news letter, "home and away," available on substack. we have a lot to talk to you about, richard, especially with these new revelations about covid tests being sent to vladimir putin? are you kidding me? we'll get to that in just a moment. personally, from his friend, donald trump -- i can't. but we, of course, start with the hurricane, willie. >> this is a historically dangerous hurricane. the latest out of florida this morning, hurricane milton once again now strengthening into a category 5 storm, expected to make landfall late tonight or early thursday morning, with forecasters warning it could be one of the most destructive hurricanes on record. right now, preparations, evacuations underway, as residents scramble to flee,

triggering massive traffic jams and fuel shortages. officials say milton appears to be headed straight for tampa, where the storm surge could reach up to 15 feet of water, obviously causing major flooding from that rainfall and damaging winds. >> quickly secure your home or business and safely evacuate the area. >> reporter: on florida's west coast, a final push to prepare for milton's arrival, with a powerful category 5 storm closing in on major population centers. >> what is your message to people who didn't evacuate, but maybe should have. >> they're on their own. >> reporter: many appear to be listening. do you think this is tampa bay's time? you think this is the one that is going to hit tampa? >> i would like to say no, but it could be. >> reporter: with long lines of traffic heading out of town and many gas stations running out of fuel, entire neighborhoods now appear largely deserted. >> you can get another house and material things, you can't get another life. >> reporter: but the streets up and down gulf side towns and up

and down florida's west coast are filled by massive piles of debris, left behind by hurricane helene. debris that could become destructive because of milton's powerful winds and storm surge. county workers who have been working around the clock to clear it now say that they've run out of time and manpower to do much more. >> so people should assume that the debris piles they see out there, they're probably going to be there for hurricane milton. >> yes. >> that's got to trouble you? >> it definitely does. >> reporter: milton's stunning scale apparent in this view from space. its powerful winds shaking up a team of hurricane hunters flying through the storm. president biden canceled a planned overseas trip in order to focus on the storm. >> this could be the worst storm to hit florida in over a century. >> reporter: even inland cities like orlando expected to be impacted. disney and universal both closing their theme parks early today. tropicana field, home of the rays, has been transformed into a massive base camp for first responders. while local shelters are filling up, as folks like tampa resident

jennifer north and her daughter liliana hunker down to ride out the storm. >> a shelter wasn't something i was considering, until i started asking friends, why is a shelter more safe than home? and when i learned why, that helped to make my decisions. >> and with the storm so powerful, you're not going to take any chances? >> president biden has postponed a trip abroad to oversee the response to hurricane milton. the president was supposed to travel tomorrow to germany and then angola, which will have been his first visit to africa as president. president biden yesterday said he's been in contact with governor ron desantis. >> last night, i spoke again with the governor of florida, desantis, and tampa mayor castro -- caster, and i made it clear to them that they should reach out, including to me directly with everything else they may need as this storm hits.

i gave them my personal number to contact me here in the white house. the governor of florida has been cooperative. he said he's gotten all that he needs. i talked to him again yesterday and i said, whatever you -- i said, i know you're doing a great job, it's all being done well. we thank you for it. and i literally gave him my personal phone number to call. i don't know, there was a rough start in some places, but every governor, every governor from florida to north carolina has been fully cooperative and supportive and acknowledged what this team is doing. and they're doing an incredible job. we've got a lot more to do. >> meanwhile, former president donald trump and his allies continue to lie about the federal response to hurricane milton and helene. in a post on social media yesterday, trump called the response to helene, quote, the worst in u.s. history. in a "wall street journal" op-ed published yesterday, trump's running mate, ohio senator j.d. vance, continued to run with the lie started by the former

president last week, writing, quote, under ms. harris and mr. biden, fema has funneled millions of dollars to nongovernmental organizations whose stated goal is facilitating mass migration into the u.s. none of that is true. although, it is something that trump did as president right in the middle of hurricane season back in 2019. and while campaigning on trump's behalf in arizona yesterday, the second highest-ranking republican in the house, majority leader steve scalise, also pushed that lie. take a look at that and the response from vice president kamala harris yesterday to the misinformation being spread by trump. >> fema, among a whole bunch of other federal agencies, has been using your tax dollars that are supposed to help you as american citizens, if you get some kind of disaster and every community get them.

they use that money helping illegals here that they brought into america. you know, to get hotel rooms that they're destroying, free cell phones, food, shelter. all of those things. and then when an american needs help from their federal government, they say, oh, we're spread too thin and we're out of money. >> it's profound and it is the height of irresponsibility, and frankly, callousness. so, lives are literally at stake right now. and the idea that somebody would be playing political games for the sake of himself, but this is so consistent about donald trump. he puts himself before the needs of others. i fear that he really lacks empathy, on a very basic level. to care about the suffering of other people and then understand the role of a leader is not to beat people down, it's to lift people up. >> absolutely. >> especially in a time of crisis.

>> so, jonathan lemire, the big lie moves around, whether it's wreaking havoc on our constitutional republic, with the lie about the election or the lies about january 6th, to lies that actually impact people's day-to-day lives and their safety. whether it's about haitians, legal migrants in springfield, making their lives miserable, and people in the town, the city of springfield, now to people in disaster zones, who are being fed misinformation and they don't understand and know what is true and what is not true. this, again is what this election is about. what the choice is about. >> these are lies from donald trump and his allies that put people's lives in danger. these are extraordinarily dangerous. we are still seeing from the aftermath of hurricane helene, people who are not trustful of the federal response, officials who are there, fema representatives encountering some tense situations when they find people particularly in north carolina, who are still obviously suffering and isolated after what happened there.

and now we have local officials really concerned about the impact here in florida. we heard from president biden yesterday, kind of go out of his way to strike a bipartisan tone. look, i spoke to governor desantis. we're offering our help. >> the governors will also -- they will say, yes, we spoke to the president. >> yes. >> we're getting what we need. >> governor desantis did not take a call from the president, but did from the vice president. other governors have said, yes, we spoke to the white house, they have been helpful. we just interviewed the mayor of ft. myers, florida, in the storm's path a few minutes ago, and he acknowledged, misinformation, disinformation, a real issue. and he under residents to turn to trusted sources, including the local government's website to say, look, this is what you need to hear. you need to get out, listen to us. everything's trump's saying is clouding the picture and making it more dangerous. >> you wonder, too, about the editorial standards of the "wall street journal" op-ed page, which we read and respect, just publishly uncritically about

what j.d. vance is saying about the mismanagement of this hurricane. but we've been saying now since helene hit, and donald trump has been saying, what a disgusting thing to go right to lies and division as people need unity help. and by the way, they're getting it. the republican governors of tennessee and georgia and florida, desantis is saying, fema is doing a good job. we spoke to governor cooper, we are getting the help. but donald trump cannot help himself, and j.d. vance is the number two guy. he's the beta in the relationship. but, my gosh, what an appalling time to do that. >> first of all, our hearts and prayers go out to the folks who are in the eye of the storm. but it seems to me, it's not only bereft, but it's a reflection of a kind of moral depravity, right? so you translate people's sorrows into grievance. >> these peoples lives are on

the line. it shows you the nature of the political calculus that's informing these folks. it's morally depraved >> when you look at what's happening in this country and you have the system breaking down from top to bottom because the former president keeps trying to poke holes in what is our constitutional republic and our systems of responding to people, and federal aid getting to people. doesn't that impact the way that nato allies and others around the world are looking at us, and watching this election, ever so closely. >> there's nothing sacred anymore. >> nothing. nothing matter. >> there's no norms. >> there are simply no norms. >> there are norms, there's just no acceptance of them or observation of them. i just come from germany this week and the rest of the world

doesn't get a vote, but boy, are they worried. they're affected obviously by what happened here fundamentally. and it's not just foreign policy. it connects with what you said, mika. the impact of the united states on the world is not just what the state department does or the military does, it's who we are. it's the example we set. and when people see things like this, again, it gets to the core. they don't recognize this united states and they worry if we're this divided about this human crisis, how are we ever going to be there for them? >> as i've said before, in the middle of the clinton administration, things were as heated as we thought they could ever be. republicans and democrats worked together. our first year, we had three hurricanes come ashore in northwest florida. bill clinton was there. i told everybody, when the first -- i said, no, you want the president of the united states there. you want him there, you want everything that comes with the president of the united states there. and haas what every governor, governor of tennessee, willie, governor lee, a very

conservative republican, governor mcmaster in south carolina, very conservative governor. of course, governor kemp in georgia, overwhelmingly popular governor. and you have senator thom tillis in north carolina, all of these officials have been saying that the white house and the administration is doing a great job. and they're very grateful. ron desantis saying he's gotten everything he's asked for. and this is no standards. you know, one of the things i always tell people when they spread conspiracy theories, is go to the wall street. i said, it's the murdoch paper. go to the "wall street journal." i don't tell them, always go to the "wall street journal" editorial page, but as you point out, "the wall street journal" is publishing disinformation that might as well be in "epic times." and the fact that it's from a vice presidential candidate matters not. this is the same guy who lied about cats and dogs being eaten

while the governor of his own state said, "stop." when you say there are no standards, this is the perfect example of it, willie. there are lies every day. there are people that right here in the "wall street journal" that i have respected for decades who are trying to pretend this is just any other election. there are people that i've known my entire life, they're engaging in this anti-trumpism. oh, yeah, sure. and i've said this before, you know, sure, you know, yeah. so donald trump is lying about eating cats and dogs and donald trump's lying about hurricanes, and donald trump tried to overthrow the 2020 election results. but you would see kamala harris' third answer on "the view"? we laugh. they're dead serious. and we've seen this for four years. we've seen, you know, a very respected u.s. senator who went

on to work at a university, told friends, he said, yeah, january 6th, okay, whatever. but did you see what biden did with student debt relief? i don't want democrats to ever complain about the riots on january 6th -- see, again, this flattening out that we talk about. and here when people are in such misery and suffering, you have "the wall street journal" editorial page running disinformation, running lies that the republican governor of georgia, the republican governor of south carolina, the republican governor of tennessee, the republican governor of virginia, republican senator of north carolina, there's a democratic senator of north carolina also saying it, all of the local leaders, all of the state officials, republican and democratic alike, are saying, this administration is doing everything we've asked of it. and yet, disinformation spreads. even in sources that used to be

above that. >> again, at a time of great suffering, which is to donald trump and j.d. vance and the people who follow him, the politicians who follow him, this is a political game. this is a moment to create some -- >> a fascist sweet spot. >> it is. and you know, on a lesser scale, springfield, ohio, was the same. people were suffering because of the lies they were telling, and they just didn't care because they thought there was some political benefit to that. and you're right, joe. i mean, there are people who will say of january 6th, eh, but student loan debt. or pick your issue. and they look the other way. and they listen to what donald trump says over the people who are actually on the ground in this case. the mayors, the governors saying, no, it's a terrible scene, but we're getting the help we need from fema and the biden administration. but if you talk to people we know and friends of ours, they'll go, did you hear, they're actually using the money that they should have been using to build -- rebuild american's

homes to give cell phones to illegal immigrants. you know we're going to hear about this. from people we know. >> right! >> why aren't you guys covering it. >> the donald trump lie blocks off the truth among republicans, among maga republicans. >> the corrosive effect has been shocking. i've been shocked by all the people who have been -- who have been swept up in it and who are cynically playing along. for whatever their reasons. there's a reason why dick cheney, why liz cheney, why ken adleman, why over a hundred republicans who worked for the reagan administration, bush 41, bush 43, the trump administration have come out and say they're voting for kamala harris. there are still people, though, unfortunately -- >> country over party. >> -- that are putting not only party, but also their personal financial interests over what's best for america. coming up on "morning joe," we'll hear from the mayor of sarasota, florida, as hurricane

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thank you for joining us. tell us about the preparations, evacuations, and what you're hearing in terms of people who perhaps don't want to leave. are there any reports of that? >> i think, for the most part, we're as prepared as we can be. we've been working really hard working in the city itself. we've got every police officer on duty from now until the end of the storm. we've got our public works, our utility workers, ready to go, as soon as the storm passes. but this is going to be a really, really bad storm. and as you're showing there, the piles of debris that are still around are going to really act as dangerous missiles or battering rams in the storm surge. and we work to get up as much as

we could, especially on the barrier islands. but operationally, it was just impossible to get to it all. >> madame mayor, i would love for you, if you could, explain to people that are watching that have not been through a hurricane, maybe didn't grow up -- i grew up in florida, so i've been through it so much, i want you to talk about the emotional impact, the emotional toll that one hurricane can have. i would have friends in past hurricanes that would be on their hands and knees digging through sand for days, and they would tell me four days later, we found a picture from our wedding. we found a picture of our child, his first steps. but the rest of their lives wiped away. and i see the debris on the side of the road from the last storm. and i just -- it's hard to explain to people how heartbreaking this is and what, not only a physical toll this

will be, but an emotional toll on the people of sarasota. >> you're absolutely right. i mean, just going and having people's entire life out on the curb, basically, is what it looks like. businesses just entirely gutted. and you know, we already just had that with hurricane helene, and now we're going to have even more of it. you know, it's going to be more widespread. and i think, yeah, emotionally, for people to just have experienced that two weeks ago and now here we are again, it's really hard on everybody. coming up, we'll speak with u.s. ambassador to japan, rahm emanuel, about the american efforts to counter china's aggressive stance on the world stage. that conversation is just ahead on "morning joe."

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a new book by longtime journalist bob woodward reveals former president donald trump has maintained close contact with russian president vladimir putin since leaving office. >> perfectly normal. >> the upcoming book entitled "war" cites an unnamed trump aide claiming the former president and putin have spoken as many as seven times since trump left the white house in 2021. the book alleges that as those conversations were happening between trump and putin, trump was also pressuring republicans

in congress to block military aid to ukraine to defend itself against russia's invasion. additionally, the book reveals that back in 2020, trump secretly sent putin covid tests for his personal use, at a time when many americans couldn't get them. woodward, the renowned journalist who uncovered watergate, concludes that trump as president was, quote, worse than richard nixon. the forthcoming book goes on sale next tuesday. we'll be talking to bob next week about this. a trump campaign spokesperson issued a response to the new book stating in part, quote, none of these made-up stories by bob woodward are true and are the work of a truly demonstrate demented and deranged man -- interesting use of words -- that suffers from an interesting form of trump derangement syndrome. >> that's interesting, because donald trump talked to him nonstop. and said, can you record me on your tape recorder with me

admitting that i'm going to lie about covid. >> i'm just not going to tell them, because why get them all freaked out. literally what he told bob woodward. and you can watch trump yourself if you have friends that go to rallies or are trump supporters and urge them to really listen to what he says, because these things add up. this is disturbing and manipulating and turning around our foreign policy completely, making friends with an adversary and sending him secret covid tests. >> forget the secret covid tests, talking to him while a former president is pushing republicans to not provide aid to a country that vladimir putin and russia invaded. you're talking about nothing mattering anymore. you know, no republicans will speak out about this. nothing matters to them. there are no boundaries. not even the safety of the united states or its allies. >> it's also a time when the

president has said that putin -- the former president said that putin could do quote/unquote, whatever the hell he wants in terms of invading a nato country. >> called putin brilliant right after the invasion. >> this doesn't take place in vacuum. takes place around four years of a rather permissive relationship with russia, to say the least. also, let me say, when former presidents or former secretary of states go about talking to foreign leaders and meeting foreign leaders, that in and of itself is not unheard of. what is unheard of is that it would be done without full coordination with the government of the day. that you would tell the white house or call the secretary of state and say, i'm going here or i'm going there. or i'm going to talk to this person. would you please brief me on things? is there anything you particularly want me to say or not say? after the call, you would then give a full readout. the idea that you would have a half dozen calls between a former president of the united states and the man who is leading a country that is

aggressively fighting a war, which the united states is on the other side of. everything we're doing for you. >> by the way, the same man that jonathan lemire asked, do you trust vladimir putin, ex-kgb agent, man who considers america its enemy, or its own intel services more, and he said, vladimir putin. i mean, a man who -- there are so many questions about russia. and donald trump, and it's all dismissed as, quote, russia hoax. >> and perpetuates what's been a fundamental question of american politics for ten years now. what is this about? what possibly motivates this kind of support of, tolerant, fanboy approach between a former president of the united states and vladimir putin. it continues to reinforce that there's something we don't know. >> and that's the thing, it didn't happen in a vacuum. it comes after a year of flattery, if i'm elected, we'll

have a deal to end the war in 24 hours. j.d. vance, trump's running mate, dismissive when asked yesterday about bob woodward's new reporting. >> i honestly didn't know that bob woodward was still alive until you just asked me that question. that's -- what little i know about bob woodward is that he is -- i'm going to use a word here -- he is a hack. the guy's a hack. so have i talked to donald trump about his calls with vladimir putin? no. i've never had that conversation with donald trump in my life. but if donald trump -- even if it's true, look, is there something wrong with speaking to world leaders? no. is there anything wrong with engaging in diplomacy? >> uh -- your own personal diplomacy. >> we have something called the logan act, individual private americans are not allowed to carry out their own foreign

policies. >> thank you. >> you look at j.d. vance here, and you just ask, what happened to this guy? a guy who, of course he knows -- again, everything they say, just dishonest. he knows bob woodward's alive. he was, you know, had a lot of the concerns bob woodward had. carake nia yesterday sent out an 8-year-old tweet by j.d. vance and it is still shocking how on he was eight years ago about the dangers that donald trump presented. ands said that god expects better from us than to support donald trump. and now, he's doing this. power is -- it's something. i can tell you, i -- you know, i have many failings, but you can ask anybody who served for me -- who served with me in congress, not one of them will ever say, oh, that joe, he would always

measure his words, because he wanted to make friends with the leadership. that's not how you get things done in washington. >> eight years ago, carl quintanilla said, eighth anniversary of this tweet. j.d. vance: trump makes people i care about afraid, immigrants, muslims, et cetera. because of this, i find him reprehensible. god wants better of us. >> wow! >> j.d. vance wrote that? >> yeah. >> eight years ago, yesterday, carl quintanilla retweeting it. >> for people who have followed and known j.d. vance for a long time, this evolution, if we want to call it that, this change over time has been stunning, but it's not a surprise. he knows the way to donald trump's heart is outright flattery. >> cult leader. >> every moment of every day. echo the lies, amplify the lies, say what your boss wants to hear and get what you want. and he knows that he is the heir, he believes now, to the

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do you remember what donald trump said about john carey? >> didn't he want him locked up? >> i think so. >> this is where donald trump said john kerry should be prosecuted for talking to

leaders -- >> i'm so confused. >> -- of iran. take a look at this. >> what i would like to see with iran, i would like to see them call me. you know, john kerry he speaks to them a lot. john kerry tells them not to call. that's a violation of the logan act. and frankly, he should be prosecuted on that. but my people don't want to do anything that's -- only the democrats do that kind of stuff, you know? if it were the opposite way, they would prosecute him under the logan act. but john kerry violated the logan act. he's talking to iran and has been, has many meetings and phone calls and he's telling them what to do. that is a total violation of the logan act. >> 2019. >> so he knows it. >> speaking, by the way, far better. >> coherently. >> understanding the law. >> and quoting the logan act, which richard just reminded us of. let's bring in the columnist for the daily beast, david ropkoth.

his new piece is titled, "trump having putin on speed dial isn't funny, it's terrifying." david, good morning. expand a little bit on why you believe it's terrifying that he is back-channelling to vladimir putin? >> look it's a pattern of behavior, as richard said, for many years now. and it has affected the way that he has governed the country. it's not just, oh, he's canoodling with vladimir putin or saying nice things about vladimir putin. he also said that he wanted to pull u.s. troops out of nato. he also has said as recently as the debate, he wouldn't say that he wanted ukraine to win the debate. and here he was in mar-a-lago, surrounded by stolen national secrets, on the phone to vladimir putin, shortly after trump had tried to commit a coup. i think we sometimes devalue what happened that day. he said, i don't care about the voters. i don't care about the will of the people.

i don't care about where power really resides in our society. i'm going to steal it and hold on to the presidency, and then subsequent to that, he started resuming a relationship with putin that today of has putin having his intelligence service pumping disinformation into the debate about this campaign, trying to get trump to win, so that putin can win in ukraine. it's an incredible threat to our national security, and then, to compound all of that, of course, we have the story of trump, when americans were dying, and a million americans died of covid under trump saying, you know, they can't -- those americans, they can't get covid tests, but i'm going to send a little care package to my pal, vlad, because he needs it. even putin had the sense to say back to trump, don't tell anybody about this. >> right. >> they're going to react badly.

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because we need to tackle our drug and homelessness crisis just like mark did as our interim mayor. mark farrell endorsing prop d, to bring the changes we need for the city we love. welcome back to "morning joe." turning now to the far east. in a new op-ed in the "wall street journal" by the u.s. ambassador to japan, rahm emanuel. the former white house chief of staff writes in part, quote, over the past three years, the u.s. and its allies in the region have strengthened their partnerships and transformed the

security landscape isolating china. emanuel says that he believes that america and its allies can now further isolate beijing by confronting its economic tactics. and ambassador emanuel joins us now from tokyo. >> hey, mr. ambassador, thank you so much for being with us. i want to talk about your "wall street journal" op-ed in one minute. but i think it's important for americans who have been focused, rightfully, on what's been happening in the middle east, what's been happening in ukraine and russia, to hear the story again. because we try to underline it here, about what this administration has done, what america has done over the past three and a half years around china to actually strengthen our alliances there in a way that they haven't been strengthened in quite some time. >> yeah, i mean, president biden changed the entire strategic landscape of the far east by taking a hub and spoke system and putting what is referred to as a lattice work,

multi-lateral, both diplomatic and security apparatus. you saw the historic meeting at camp david with the united states, japan, and korea in a new, firm alliance that put china back on their back heels. that same kind of trilateral was set up between the united states, japan, and the philippines. that changes not just the political front, the diplomatic front, but also the security kind of structure. and those were big chess moves. and it's built on the concept that your allies are your allies. and the alliances we have strengthen the united states, anchor us here. you know, the indo pacific, i hate to put it in these terms, is an away game for the united states, a home game for china. with our in australia, of course, our most loyal of friends over the past 100, 150 years, what's happened in guam. i mean, all up and down, right? >> well, the big move here is what china did with their world

war i don't remember strategy and belligerence to every country in and around the neighborhood is it created an opening that president biden filled with a strategic vision. the peace talks today's in the "wall street journal" is a complement of what we've done on the diplomatic and security side, bring economic state craft to an equal level where it has a comprehensive deterrents. china by using economic coercion against philippines, japan or australia, using their debt trap tries to isolate and crush a country's sovereignty. having a strategy to deter that make our deterrents more impactful. >> let's be specific with our viewers about the "wall street journal" op-ed piece. what does this president need to do as good next steps and what does the next president need to do? >> well, first start with the strategy. china's strategy is to isolate the philippines and crush, it isolate australia and crush it. we take the isolator and isolate

them. that's what multilateral lattice work does. on the coercion front, australia, lithuania both effectively had china throw the towel in because they're working their networks, expanding their trade opportunities, made them less dependent on china and china's strategy of coercion failed. so, one, create a trade defense council of integrated countries that agree on the concept, on economic principles and rules. two, put an article 5 underneath it that creates its own level of deterrents and an attack on one is an attack on all. china wants to isolate a country not be isolated. third, 1977 presidential act has a very important economic power for the president but it was built with a different economy in '77 than it is today. we need to bring the information digital age into that kind of strategy of how a president reacts when he wants to come to the aid and benefit of a country that's being targeted by china.

and then third, we have to be honest that the imf our individual loan programs as it relates to debt traps for a sun tree like sri lanka that had to give up their airport for kenya, either pay government employees or give up their own national infrastructure projects. we should be proactively advertising the cost of china's, quote, unquote, large s at what they give, speak honest to the countries about what's in the small print and be more nimble in the way we led. our -- when i say ours the western world lends to developing economies. then you have a way of confronting and taking china's economic strategy and flipping it back on itself and making sure that all of those things work against what china is trying to do. look, just take one example, they in subsidized steel made

chile close their only steel plant, 20,000 people lost their jobs. that is happening across the globe on different products and nobody is interested in importing china's exporting of their economic domestic problems and that is exactly what's going on and the steel is the canary in the coal mine. you're going to see more of it. >> mr. ambassador, just jumping back a little bit, describe what this economic equivalent to nato would look like and what countermeasures would look like and would that include some sort of public education campaign? >> well, first and foremost, i mean, the basic principle of article 5 in nato is an attack on one is an attack on all. the only time it's been deployed is after 9/11 for the united states. if you take the case of lithuania, when they said certain things about taiwan that china didn't like, they tried to basically hurt lithuania because they were part of the eu, lynn wane i can't could sustain it

and china basically said, okay, game over, we're not going to participate. and then the eu adopted a certain set of new enforcements to counter coercion. so you would take that basic principle of unity and not allow china to isolate lithuania. in the case of australia they are another example. but you bring all countries together and realize that that's a force bigger than what china wants to take on. they want to take on one country. we say taking on one means you're taking on all. article 5 is any act of coercion means that it's an attack on everybody and here is the responses we're going to have. you have to flush that out, what does it mean in the sense of economic aid, is it direct aid, is it other type of market access, is it more financial investment, different types of trade relations on different products? that gets flushed out and ruled out, but the principle is china doesn't get to isolate lithuania, they get isolated.

that's what happened when they did wolf warrior. they ended up hurting themselves. that is why the region herein vieted the united states to even more double down on our investment in the end do pacific. >> i'm so sorry. you know japan is such a critical ally of the united states but i want to talk about another country that is also critical and that is australia. you've talked about how australia -- and, again, i just want to tell american viewers in case they don't know this, australia, our closest allies in every war over the past 100 years, they've been in the bunker with us every single time. >> every step of the way. >> every step of the way. and you lift them up as an example of how to effectively push back on china's coercion. >> the lesson of australia, the prime minister said we should look into the origins of covid. that was the gist of it. and that started basically an

economic attack by china on australia where they were importing a lot of products. australia's coal, wheat, barley, wine, go through all the products. they were banned and market access was restricted, almost eliminated. australia went aggressively, working with other countries, opening up new markets, doubling down on the existing trade deals they had. they were able not only to withstand the isolation that china imposed, the economic restrictions china imposed, they actually strengthened their economy in the process and then china, three years later, threw in the towel, said we can't isolate australia, they're stronger today, they're more economically secure today. it is the unity of others, some more proactively, others more

reactively and because other markets got opened up they did not get the economic pain of losing their biggest market, china. china was we will crush you, australia accessed other countries, with stood the pain, grew a little and china after three years said, we're done, we can't do this anymore. that's the strategy of bringing countries together so an australia doesn't try to do it on their own, we all do it together to help the next australia. japan experienced it on minerals, south korea experienced it on a boycott, philippines experienced it on fruit, lithuania on liquor and other products. that is how china uses their market to crush you. >> united states ambassador to japan, rahm emanuel, thank you very much for being on the show. great to see. >> you thanks so much. greatly appreciate it. up next, we're going to turn back to hurricane milton. we will bring you the latest on the storm's strength and path as it gets closer to making landfall. and homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas will join us.

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get out of harm's way. don't wait until it's too late. when we have a sustained wind of 45 miles an hour, we no longer respond. so if you made that choice and decision to stay in your home and that surge comes up and if all the above happens, you are

now on your own. again, we can replace buildings, houses, structures, but, you know, loss of life is unacceptable. we want to make sure you're safe no matter what. it's the top of the hour and here is a live look at st. petersburg, florida, and that was the sheriff of lee county, florida, warning residents to get out of harm's way as hurricane milton barrels towards the state. >> easier said than done. several days ago, yes, but things have gotten so bad and the weather is deteriorating. willie, the interstate has been absolutely packed. >> for days. >> we are looking at a storm that looked like a little wobble south yesterday but now ticking back up north. just horrific news, especially if it comes in just north of tampa, just north of tampa, and they get the biggest surges, the biggest -- the biggest impact of this because tampa is -- i think

james carville was saying earlier -- one of the worst cities in the world to be hit by this type of hurricane because the water will go in, there's just no -- no place for it to go out. >> yeah, by virtue of some luck tampa hasn't had a direct hit, believe it or not, on a hurricane from, i think, 1921, more than 100 years since taking a direct hit and it's in the direct path now. we're hearing from our reporters, from meteorologists and people on the ground there that they're making comparisons to some of the biggest and strongest hurricanes in the history of florida, and it looks like a big one that's going to hit in the overnight hours tonight. there is still some time today, but, please, do heed local officials and get out if you can. the mayor of tampa also just issued a stern warning for people considering riding out this massive storm. >> wherever that storm surge comes, if it's 10 to 15 feet and people are trying to ride this out in single-story structures,

there's no place to go. and once the winds get up to hurricane speed, there's nobody to come and get you. >> i can tell you it's not just single-story structures. i mean, you know, people that have gone up into the attack and the water has gone all the way up there. it's -- again, you're talking about a storm surge 10, 15 feet. you literally could have people drowning in their attic. so if you can get out, please get out, because, again, growing up with hurricanes, you've all -- you know, you've always heard of people deciding they're going to ride out the storm, making a party out of it. this is -- this is about the worst idea ever. and you look at fort myers, already hammered a couple of years ago, already hammered a couple weeks ago. tampa, cedar key obliterated,

willie. it is -- the pain that anybody feels for the people up and down the west coast of florida who have been through hurricanes before is just -- it's terrible. just terrible. >> yeah, and the cleanup is far, obviously, from complete or even in some cases hasn't even begun from hurricane helene which just put there. we had the mayor of fort myers a couple hours ago on this show saying that debris which has been pushed off the street, but still sitting in piles become projectiles and they will be thrown all over the place. get out if you can. let's bring in the homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas. mr. secretary, good morning. what preparations are being made at this hour and what warning do you have for people in the path of the storm? >> good morning, and thank you so very much for the public service message you just expressed. i want to emphasize it. listen to local officials.

heed their warnings and follow their instructions. we cannot say that too strongly, nor too often. it is absolutely vital. we have pre-positioned assets throughout. we have approximately 900 fema personnel alone. we have our united states coast guard prepared to conduct search and rescue. the army corps of engineers are deployed there to assist people with debris removal, roofing and the like. the department of transportation has assets. the president and vice president, president biden, vice president harris, have really directed the entire administration to deploy with all our capabilities to be pre-positioned there. we have tens of millions of meals, liters of water ready to deliver to people in need. the president already has declared two days ago an

emergency so that we could provide direct relief to the state of florida. we work very closely in support of state and local officials, but that instruction that you expressed and i express again, is the key. it's a matter of life and death. listen to local officials and follow their instructiones. >> so a lot of the instructions are to get out and i'm reading reports of -- like this one mother of six who has no way out. there's traffic, lines at the gas stations, there's no way to get out and to keep her family safe and i can't imagine that's the only situation like that. how are people who want to leave supposed to leave? >> mika, this is why it's so important to listen to local officials because they will have instructions with respect to alternative routes, alternative means of exiting areas that are in the path of the storm.

local officials are the key guides for the relief needed. >> if you could, mr. secretary, tell us what the federal government is going to be doing over the next 12 hours. we are, unfortunately, only 12 hours -- i'm looking it's 9:00 in the morning now, it's supposed to come on shore around 9:00 p.m. what can the federal government do in the next 12 hours? >> so we are already doing it, joe. we are already there. we are pre-positioned. remember, our first and foremost responsibility is to assist with the search and rescue of individuals. at this juncture we are prepared for lifesaving activities. it will be search and rescue. there are other activities that really feed into that. the removal of debris so that we can access individuals in need. it will be a lifesaving chapter

first and then we will turn to the response phase of search an impactful hurricane as we all expect milton to be. >> alex, my producer, just said it looks like a 2:00 a.m. -- looks like a 2:00 a.m. landfall, which gives people a little more time to get out of there. all right. any final thoughts? any final guidance, mr. secretary? >> i would just repeat the mantra of listen to local officials and also listen to official voices. there is so much false information being spread and we cannot have people relying on that false information or actually deterred from seeking relief that's available to them that they need because of that false information. it's really pernicious. >> and let me just add to that, i'm sure you're grateful, mr. secretary, grateful that the republican governor of florida,

the republican governor of tennessee, the republican governor of georgia, the republican governor of south carolina, the republican governor of virginia, the republican senator from the north carolina as well as the democrat governor from north carolina have all said the federal government is working well, have all coordinated with you actively and with the president and vice president and everybody else in the administrative -- administration actively and it does seem like the federal, the state and the local leaders are all on the same page. how helpful is that in this time of crisis? >> it is extraordinarily helpful. it is absolutely critical and, joe, you know, historically this country has come together as one in times of crisis, in times of disaster. we need that history to be lived today. we cannot have the irresponsible

voices that actually wreak damage to individuals in need and prevent survivors from seeking the relief that is available to them. we appreciate the moral clarity with which the state and local officials are speaking, with respect to the close partnership that we embrace and enjoy with them in delivering for the american people. >> homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas, thank you very, very much. we will be following this. we appreciate your coming on the show today. >> thank you. >> tom nichols is with us. tom, can you -- i can't even fathom the disinformation being spread by donald trump and j.d. vance. i've talked about my first year in congress, we had three hurricanes coming in in the fall. i had campaigned against bill clinton, i had campaigned against hillary clinton, was on tv it seemed every night going after them, going after them, going after them. the hurricane hit and i told the

story a couple days ago it was lawton chiles put his arm around me, didn't like my politics, but lawton chiles the governor said basically we're going to walk you through this, joe. mr. president and kind of pushed me in there, his district, let's all work together. that stayed in my head, some things are bigger than politics, and that's -- i learned that as a 31-year-old. you have a 78-year-old right now, according to the charlotte observer, the largest newspaper in north carolina, making matters so much worse for victims of these hurricanes. >> there's nothing bigger than politics for donald trump and, worse, there's nothing bigger than donald trump. everything is just raw material. everything that happens around donald trump is just raw material for donald trump to use for his own benefit. the misery of other people,

disasters, the suffering of other americans. none of that registers as real. that's all just part of the big set, the big tv show that donald trump lives on every day. everything that happens, whether it's something good, something bad, a disaster like this, it's just another part of the script that has to be turned to the advantage of donald trump. >> it's got to be about him. >> because he is not capable -- i think kamala harris was absolutely right, there is no empathy in the person. he has no sense of other people as real human beings who suffer. >> and i've been quoting conservatives all week and charles krauthammer all week. that's something that krauthammer said when he originally said he was like an 11-year-old child, everything had to be about him. later he said i think i had that age off by about ten years. >> also with us special correspondent at vanity fair and the host of fast politics

podcast molly jean fast. your last article lying is loyalty in trump's gop. i keep thinking what tom freeman said, when he looks at someone who constantly lies for trump, accepts what he's doing. what is wrong with you? like what is wrong with people right now who would support a man who does and says what he does? >> well, the setup was the 2020 election, right? lying became the litmus test. you had to lie and say that trump won the 2020 election in order to be a member of trump world, in order to stay in good faith in this republican party. once that happened you shifted the base into unreality in a way i think is detrimental. we saw this with covid, now we're seeing it with the hurricanes. the fact that the federal government and your leaders cannot be trusted. i think it ended up sort of setting a very destructive tone. >> all right.

>> all right. turning now to the race for the white house, nbc news chief white house correspondent peter alexander has the latest on the harris and trump campaigns. >> reporter: in the final four weeks until the election vice president kamala harris ramping up her media appearances, cracking a beer with stephen colbert on late night tv, but facing scrutiny for these comments on "the view" when asked what she would have done differently than president biden over the last four years. >> there is not a thing that comes to mind in terms of -- and i've been a part of most of the decisions that have had impact. >> reporter: later saying she would appoint a republican to her cabinet. >> that will be one of the differences. i'm going to have a republican in my cabinet because i don't -- i don't feel burdened by letting pride get in the way of a good idea. >> reporter: former president trump and his campaign quickly seizing on the comments. trump listing the border and inflation as issues during the biden presidency and writing, her dumbest answer so far. on howard stern's radio show

harris responded to new reporting from journalist bob woodward in an upcoming book obtained by nbc news. woodward writes at the height of the pandemic trump secretly sent co vis test machines to vladimir putin for his personal use even as the u.s. and other countries faced shortages. harris weighing in. >> i believe that donald trump has this desire to be a dictator. he admires strong men and he gets played by them because he thinks that they're his friends. >> yeah. >> and they are manipulating him full-time. >> reporter: woodward also reporting that trump and putin have had maybe as many as seven phone calls since trump left office. trump telling abc news the reporting on his calls to putin and providing him test machines is false. but the former president defending his relationship with putin yesterday. >> i got along with him very well, which is a good thing, not a bad thing.

>> reporter: nbc news has not independently confirmed woodward's reporting. >> peter alexander reporting there. a man who needs to introduction joining us now. donny deutsch. >> donny. >> where to begin, donny. let's go back just for a second, we were talking about this donald trump's rhetoric and other republicans falling in line about the storm. you have had republicans acting responsibly. we talked about all of these governors, the republican congressman who represents western north carolina actually put out a memo yesterday debunking all of these conspiracy theories that donald trump and j.d. vance are pushing, sometimes in the "wall street journal" editorial page, saying this is -- this is a fact sheet this congressman put out. nobody can control the weather. he cites the director of national ocean graphic atmospheric administration saying no one has the technology or the ability to gio engineer a hurricane. like saying that to his constituents. and yet these conspiracy

theories that used to in previous years live in the dark corners of the internet are amplified to the very top of a presidential campaign. >> i'm going to quote the wise -- the elder statesman joe scarborough from the 6:00 hour. >> there you go. >> i'm told enough to remember the 6:00 -- i'm old enough to remember when this show started today. >> because you nailed it when you said you could tell people january 6, you could tell people he's lying, people's lives are at stake and he's lying about a hurricane and people will wonder about kamala's third answer on "the view." i also want to go back to tom freeman, not as much of a statsman as you, but i will reference him also. what happened to us? what is wrong with us? >> yes. >> i feel like i'm living in another country. i really feel that way if the election goes in the trump direction. it's like how bankrupt have so many souls become? and i'm not talking about people who if you think he's going to put food on your table and

you're upset about prices and that's the difference between a job and not a job. i'm talking about the people that we interact with, people of means. >> right. >> who only care -- will lose every other excuse but only care about the 3% tax cut. i've been really down lately not about trump but about who we are. is this who we've become? because if that's the case, it's much bigger than donald trump. >> and tom and i -- i'm sure, tom, you deal with it all the time, i know i do, we spent our entire life -- i know i spent my entire life growing up telling people in the media, telling democrats, telling voters we are not who they say we are. we conservatives are not racists. we are not bigoted. we are not anti-science. we are compassionate. we do believe in balancing the

budget. we do believe in protecting our shores. and we do believe in the individual over the state. but all of this other stuff, this is just what liberals say we are, and yet -- >> and yet -- >> -- and yet this is what donald trump and j.d. vance and the leaders of the party and their followers and apologists in the press, this is what they actually are. >> it's what they've turned into. and it's tragic because when people will say, well, how could -- you know, these people are anti-science nuts and how could you ever have been a republican? you start reeling off names that are of blessed memory to people like you and see, john heinz, john chafee, charles ma thigh i can't say, you could name all of these giants who were these sensible moderate republican senators and giants. they are all gone. these are all people that

probably would have been driven out of the party, and instead of talking about the things that we once talked about, we literally have to sit here and explain to people that, no, the government doesn't have, you know -- the government isn't spectre, it doesn't have blowfeld's weather machine. it's insane. but it shows you that the party doesn't exist as a party anymore. it's just a vehicle for harvesting votes by scaring people with crazy stories and staying in power. that's all it's about. >> you named moderates. i can name conservatives. people i served with. i went back and we had the 30-year anniversary of the congress that balanced the budget four years in a row, you know, i look at people like steve largent, j.c. watts, a guy from wisconsin named mark newman. mark newman would walk around every day not with conspiracy theories in his pocket.

numbers. and he would pull them out and he would put them in toronto of the leaders, put them in front of the appropriate preeters and say these are the things we need to do if we want to balance the budget and pay down the debt. he was driven by facts, by numbers, by protecting taxpayer dollars. >> we were boring. >> we were boring. >> we could use that now. >> and, by the way, also, you know, there were hot heads. i was a hot head inside the conference, but, you know, when i got to the floor, willie, i would go sit on the democratic side because i wanted to understand them. i came from the deep south. i wanted to understand somebody from berkeley representing berkeley. i wanted to figure out why we could come together. harold ford and i first day came together and he said, hey, let's figure out when we can to do a bill together. we would actually talk about -- like we would get the most

liberal members and the most conservative -- what can we do that our constituents need in your district, in berkeley, california, in my district in pensacola, florida, and we would find it. >> and think how discouraging it must be, as you're describing that yesteryear, that different era, if you're someone like senator james lankford, a real conservative, by the way, a real conservative, who spent months and months working on a bipartisan immigration deal, that, by the way, tilted in the favor of conservatives, a lot of progressives were not happy about that legislation. >> he had it right there. >> does the work with chris murphy, does the work with kyrsten sinema and at the end of it arrives, tom, fully formed, gives conservatives what they said they wanted for a couple of generations, donald trump makes one phone call and it's dead. so the people that actually do want to get things done and do want to improve the lives of americans, it's discouraging. >> but it proves that the republicans have become a

post-policy party. they don't care about policy. going back to donny's point it's so galling when donald trump stands up and starts talking about sharks and whatever and then people say, but, you know, i still don't know which regulations kamala harris is going to roll back for more housing. as though these are somehow equivalent parts of the discussion that you have one party that is going to -- have policies that maybe some of us here won't like, you know, you will have somebody who is going to be a president who is going to, you know, do what she does and some will be good, some will be bad and somebody who is basically sociopathic who wants to be an autocrat. and the party doesn't care because it's a vehicle for raw power and for staying in power, and that's all it's about. that's why no matter how -- you know, you've got to feel bad for senator lankford, but no matter how hard he worked they just

said sorry. >> tell us about your article "the moment of truth." washington's nightmare. >> george washington sets the standard. this is about washington setting the standards for presidents and every president after him at least tries to measure up, tries to measure on that yardstick of character, some of them failed, andrew jackson, james buchanan, but washington warned us that there could come a person who -- and to use his words -- would gain power on the ruins of public liberty. trump is the man he watched us about. washington's example, i think people don't really know washington. he's sort of distant from us. he is this big oblisque on the

mall. they offered him -- he left politics, he comes back in, they want him to stay as president, finally after two terms he says i'm going home. all during the time he was president he said i just want -- i don't want to be president, i want to get out of this. he literally -- he is the only president who ever led troops in the field while a sitting president. mounts up an army to go crush the whiskey rebellion and says to the american people do not aid or abet the insurgence 6789 this is a treasonous act against the united states. then you compare it with somebody like trump who is constantly grasping for power, who thinks that the military is his personal set of toy soldiers, who not only did not stop an insurgency against the united states, but encouraged one. >> molly, this may sound terrible. it's not. i like forward to the day when

you and i can once again fight over policy, right? >> yes. >> where you can say you're way too conservative and i can say you're way too progressive. but talk about this unique time when liz cheney and dick cheney and bernie sanders and aoc and ken adleman and over 100 republicans, alberto gonzales, i mean, you name it, are all on the same side. >> right. >> talk about this extraordinary once in our lifetime moment. >> well, and the reason they are on the side of vice president harris is not policy, right, it's trying to preserve democracy. it's saying that the system we have works and we should keep it going. they are not saying that they agree with her about policy. they're not even saying that they necessarily will ever vote democrat again, right? >> right. >> what they're saying is that right now donald trump is such a

unique threat to our american governance system that they must take -- you know, forget about what they believe policy-wise and focus on the larger threat. i mean, this is 911 and that is why these people are going -- voting for the democrat. i think it's really meaningful and the hope is that voters see that this is not a policy issue. this is a democracy issue. >> you know, donny, there are things to be concerned about. we can look at our friends and just say how could they. at the same time there are things to celebrate. you have people who have never voted for a democratic candidate before in their life, until this year, and people who will never vote for a democratic candidate again in their life at this moment coming together in a -- in a political version of sort of a churchillian war cabinet

coming together when democracy is on the line and saying we're in it to win this -- not for republicans, not for democrats, certainly not for policy, dick cheney doesn't agree with the policy of kamala harris, but we're in it to protect this country, to protect constitutional norms, to protect our constitutional republic. >> my concern is there are -- yes, and hopefully there are more of those that happen on the other side. >> you have to be optimistic in this answer. >> military parades with donald trump standing like this. okay. yes, i think kamala has got to really litigate the point. i think this is on her now the last few weeks. >> what should she say? >> i think she should say reach in your hearts and really go in your gut and just understand that what your children we are

going to be a different country. >> how about this, how about stripping this down. >> do you love this country? >> no. >> okay. >> ask yourself, who is in it for you ands who is in it for donald trump? >> well, that's what she's been saying. >> donald trump is about donald trump. i'm about you. >> i like that. >> right? >> i can't go to the darkness, you're not going to let me go there. i agree. i actually think that's really, really well said and i think -- i just think we have got to look at ourselves and, you know, it's gut time for america. >> donny, tell me one thing you're grateful for today, donny. i'm going to work on you. >> i'm actually grateful that i live in this country. i actually love this country so much. >> is this not an incredible country? >> i love this country. >> i love this country. >> i think that's why we're so upset. >> -- until we are here now. >> donny, i saw a picture that

you posted and it was in front of your childhood home. >> yeah. >> and you take your children back there every day. >> oh, my gosh, that was so nice. >> talk about that. it's just the american dream. what your dad did, what your mom did, what my parents did for me. they lifted us from a very middle class background on to their shoulders and gave us an opportunity. >> it's interesting, it is -- every year on rosh hashanah i go back to the synagogue i grew up with to pray there and i go back to my childhood home. i was so blessed, i had two amazing parents and it just reminds me of who i am and how lucky i am. i think we all have to remind ourselves that this is -- we live in the best place in the world and hopefully it's going to stay that way. >> we live in the best place in the world and it's going to stay that way. >> yes, sir. >> that's how you say that sentence. >> yes, sir. yes, sir. >> now get to work. let's get to work. >> molly jong-fast, thank you very much. staff writer at "the atlantic"

tom nichols, thank you. tom's new cover story is available now at "the atlantic".com. we appreciate you all so much. coming up a nonprofit startup is focused on tackling one of today's defining issues the growing mental health crisis. one of its board members nbc's carson daly, joins us ahead of the eve of world mental health day. plus on october 11th, 1975, "saturday night live" began what is now its 50-year run on late night tv. now a new film chronicles the chaotic 90 minutes before the very first show aired. the cast and director of "saturday night" join us ahead on "morning joe." "saturday night" join us ahead on "morning joe.

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this is world mental health day. carson is across town, he is at new york's hudson yard spending the day with project healthy minds. >> he is joining us this morning along with the ceo phil shermer. >> it should be as easy to find mental health services in america as it is to book a flight, hotel or restaurant. >> please welcome to the stage prince harry and meghan, the duke and duchess of sussex. >> turn pain into purpose. >> what are those modifications we need to make to be able to keep our families and children safe. >> we can help build a movement we need to ultimately protect the mental health and well-being of our children. >> those are some of the highlights from last year's annual world mental health day festival and gala organized by the nonprofit group project healthy minds. this year's gala takes place tomorrow in new york city featuring celebrities like demi

lovato and chance the rapper. the event's goal is to raise awareness for the 65 million americans living with a mental health condition. among young people 20% have an emotional, developmental or behavioral disorder. joining us now co-host of nbc's "today" our good buddy carson daly, the founder and ceo of project healthy minds phil shermer. good to see you both. >> thank you for having us. >> on this event shining such a light on something, carson, man, just in the last ten years or so has been elevated and talked about in such an open and honest way, in a way when we were growing up never was. i think you are a great example of that which is you decided it was finally time to just say out loud using your platforms on the "today" show and all the other places you show up to talk about your own personal journey through this. >> well, there is a startling stat that is from the moment somebody has a recognized -- having a mental health symptom

that time that elapses between recognizing the symptom and actually going out to get help is 11 years. >> geez. >> think if you are playing basketball and you roll your ankle how long does it take to get to urgent care? i was one of those people suffering in silence for over a decade, having panic attacks which i know now and i was diagnosed with generalized anxiety and panic disorder, but for decades i would have this physiological reaction and be so scared i would want to run out this have study and i never knew what was wrong with me. there is no reason for people to live with that. >> phil, how important has it been to have people like carson but many others get to that point as well. >> very important. >> very important. >> transformational. >> really because other people see carson and they see other people who are well-known and say, oh, if that person is going through it it's okay for me to, number one, talk about and number two go get help for it. >> exactly. one of the things that we see over and over is that when role models talk about mental health

publicly it creates the permission structure for others to do the same and so every time carson or anyone else that we work with talks about mental health, we can actually see on our platform thousands of people immediately afterward then going to seek mental health care. it's transformational. >> yeah, it happened for me. we were doing a story on the "today" show about kevin love the basketball player who had written an article about a panic attack he had had during an nba basketball game. during the piece i told craig melvin, my colleague, i said that happened to me, that same exact thing he's describing way back at mtv. then i shared that story on the "today" show and that began -- there was such a huge reaction to that that i met phil from project healthy minds and wanted to start doing more and getting involved. during covid my kids would order grubhub and get food to the house. i was like it should be with that easy to get mental health services, should be an app on today's phone, why isn't that thing? people if they do recognize they have mental health, then they

don't even know where to go. >> i will join you. i definitely have been in work and therapy for emotion regulation, i follow dbt, we will have the authors of this book on this week or next week. i wrote the forward, here you go, this is my gift to you. >> thank you. thank you. >> it's behavioral training. i agree the hope is to get social-emotional training and also being able to identify these problems, these illnesses much younger, in schools, mainstream all of this. an app but also education in schools and treatment. it shouldn't be just something that people who have money can -- >> it's hard enough for our privileged folks to try to get help, but you can imagine in marginalized communities, communities of color, the access to care is literally further and the stigma is that much greater. so, i mean, it's an existential threat we feel. >> phil, talk about the stigma,

getting past the stigma, and how you starting this, this moved us down the field that way. >> yeah. well, look, one of the things that we know is the first barrier when people are seeking help is the stigma. if you feel a sense of shame about a topic you're avoidant of it. once you finally gin up the courage to go find help we have to make it easier. you have a 65 million americans with a mental health condition, 60% don't get any form of care in their lifetimes. that's the whole point of what we're trying to do is to close that treatment gap and get more americans to care. >> phil, for somebody watching today, they're hearing this, they say, okay, cars season talking about, he got help, people i respect talking about it getting help, where can they go? >> projecthealthyminds.com to use our platform, it's free and will connect you to all different types of mental health care. if you are in new york city you should come tomorrow to hudson yards for our world mental

health day festival. >> the world mental health festival and gala takes place tomorrow in new york city. co-host of nbc's "today" carson daly and hound founder and ceo of project healthy minds phil schermer. >> thank you, guys, so much for this. >> we wish everybody the best in floor. >> that's where we are going to go next to. we're following that throughout the day here on msnbc. also coming up on "morning joe" -- >> what is this? >> it's kind of exciting. >> we need -- >> no, you don't. >> what the hell does that mean? >> i'm not going to be able to protect you. >> we just have to make it to here. >> live from new york it's -- >> the new film "saturday night" depicts the 90 minutes leading up to the very first "snl" broadcast back in 1975. the talented cast and director will join us live from the new

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>> live from new york, it's saturday night! there it is. that was 50 years ago. chevy chase uttering those famous words for the very first time when a brand-new tv show called "saturday night live" premiered right here at 30 rockefeller center. now a new movie with the same name is revisiting the iconic night in tv history which almost never happened. >> i'm lauren michaels i'm the producer and creator of "saturday night." we are excited because there's never been a television show like this. >> okay. but what kind of show is it, lorne? >> did anyone ask edison was a light bulb was before he harnessed electricity? >> who are you in metaphor? >> chevy chase. >> gilda radner.

>> and -- how do you pronounce this? >> joining us now the director, producer and co-writer of "saturday night" four-time oscar nominee jason rightman, also corey michael smith, ella hunt takes on the role of the late icon gilda radner. good morning to you all. >> good morning. thanks for having us. >> as huge fans of "snl" we are excited about this. i should point out it was called "saturday night" is a point before it later added the live which is the name of this film as well. jason, just for people who are wondering what to expect when they see this, is this the history of "snl"? what is this exactly? what part of the story story do tell here? >> this starts 90 minutes before the first episode of "saturday night live." so we open with lauren michaels at 10:00 p.m. on 50th street right outside this building looking for andy kaufman, just a

straight shot roller coaster, and the last live of the movie is "live from new york, it's saturday night. " >> how long has this been in your mind to do this? >> back in 2008, after i directed a movie called "juneau," my agent asked me what do you want to do next? i had two dreams, one to direct a movie, the other was to direct "saturday night live." that's where it started. >> that's crazy. corey, it's hard to really remember now, but chevy chase really was the center. he was the star. he was the guy that, you know, that really carried the first season for the most part. before all of these other -- all of these other iconic names followed through. talk about chevy chase and sort of stepping into that role. >> chevy had the benefit of being the only cast member who had a sketch where he was saying his own name. so he was every day introducing

himself to the audience saying, i'm chevy chase, you're not. so, he was sort of granted this authority and identity that everyone else wasn't. for chevy, you know, every -- it's an amazing ensemble film. i've never been part of a stronger, collective ensemble. chevy's path in this story is, you know, he's a young guy who is very competent. he's a writer and actor on this. and he shows up a little cocky, you know, really excited -- >> a little cocky? >> and -- but he gets it handed to him by milton berle, who brings him back down to earth in a brutal scene. >> so ella, i'm curious what you knew about gilda radner going into this? she died far too young, but one of the funniest performers, not

just on this show but in the history of entertainment. >> to my name, i did not know gilda radner before i auditioned. she's such an acon, and like you said, not just an amazing comic mind, but also an extraordinarily generous person that is still rippling outwards today. but it was a gilda radner crash course for me. >> and dylan, where did dan ackroyd fit into this cast? chevy was the confident guy with the swagger. where did dan fit into this? >> umm, dan -- >> you don't really know, do you? >> exactly. >> how i got the part, he's just floating through the space. he's kind of, i guess, how i would put it, like -- >> secret sauce. >> secret sauce? >> i think so.

>> yeah, i think he was a true genius, a guy that the writers could go up to and pitch one word of a sketch and he would rattle the sketch off in realtime. and writers would say, you could sketch in realtime. >> he was -- he really -- he was -- i think he was the secret sauce. he had all of these big personalities and ackroyd just slipped in there. i doubt you had to do the routine, but did you go back and see some of his work, some of the early snnl >> oh, yeah. what was so incredible about him as a talent and my education of him through this process is how lightning quick he was and what a talented writer he was. >> write. >> but what a gifted performer he was, too. i became obsessed with his screen tests. i tried to, like, learn as much

as i could. but he goes through about seven minutes and six characters, and he's improvising the entire thing. he never stumbles, he's incredible. >> dylan, what makes this such a joy for us to watch, other than it being so iconic, is also the friction. you could read articles about it as it was going. and they were always like the eagles, if you see the eagles documentary, they're always at each other's necks. there was always this creative friction. talk about the competition that really added to the creative spark there. >> it's almost as if you're saying live television is a location for friction. >> not here. we love each other and we say it. but nobody will ever do a great film about us. >> just wait. we're working on it. look, "saturday night live" was

the birthplace of so much talent. it continues to be, but even out of that first show, this was a show that was so good that billy crystal good fired off of that. >> norm mcdonald, one of the funnest guys ever, fired. >> there's 100 comedians known worldwide, whose career births happened right here. but, again, what makes this such an exciting moment in time is that friction. it's the fact that nobody knew what "saturday night" was except for lauren michaels who had a vision. >> celebrating 50 years but didn't look like it was going to last for two weeks. they didn't quite know what they were doing when they got there. >> the truth is, and you did not want to see that show succeed. definitely the people that have within work thing building for decades were like, who are these kids? >> johnny carson was dising it,

saying they don't even know how to kill time. >> i think it's the woodstock moment of comedy. >> the new film in select theaters now and opens nationwide on friday. jason, corey, ella, dylan, guys, congrats and thanks so much. well done. that does it for us this morning. we'll be right back here. tomorrow morning, anna has the latest on hurricane milton. ornie latest on hurricane milton yes, libraries. we all have a first amendment right to read and learn different viewpoints. that's why every book belongs on the shelf. yet book banning in the u.s. is worse than i've ever seen. it's people in power who want to control everything. well, i say no to censorship. and i say yes to freedom of speech and expression. if you do too, please join us in supporting

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