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let's jump right back at the sum of the week's most important conversations. >> there is absolutely no evidence that this man thinks about anybody but himself. i have said it before -- donald trump is a 78-year-old billionaire who has not stopped whining about his problems since he rode down his gold escalator nine years ago. you got the tweets in all caps, the ranting and raving about crazy conspiracy theories. the two hour speeches, word salad -- it's like fidel castro. just on and on. constant attempts to sell you stuff. who does that? selling you gold sneakers and a

$100,000 watch, and most recently, a trump bible. he wants you to buy the word of god, donald trump edition. right there next to matthew and luke. the reason some people think -- i remember the economy when we first came in being pretty good. yeah, it was pretty good. because it was my economy. we had had 75 straight months of job growth that i headed over to him. it wasn't something he did. i've spent eight years cleaning up the mess that the republicans had left me the last time. so just in case everybody has a hazy memory -- he didn't do

nothing except those big tax cuts. as i recall, donald trump was president for 4 years. and of rounding up and deporting millions of desperate people and building a beautiful wall -- it didn't matter if a few of those folks you rounded up were women and children. if that is the answer to everything, why didn't you solve the problem? why was the number of immigrants basically the same when you left office is when you took office? i will tell you why. because he didn't have a real plan. he had talking points. he had concepts of a plan, and the plan was mean and ugly. >> so that is barack obama last night in pittsburgh.

the state they have to win, the harris campaign. people wondering, how and when will they use the former president, obama? that's exactly where you want to use them, in the state of pennsylvania. which is kind of free-form, mocking donald trump, and in his convention speech back in chicago, talking about those terrible sneakers, the trump bible -- which by the way, we learn this week is made in china. how effective is barack obama and how much do you expect to see the harris campaign use him in these last couple weeks? >> the man can talk. he gives a great, great speech. and that was really -- it was entertaining, it was informative. i think for democrats in pennsylvania, which is ground zero right now, it was inspiring. we need to get democrats out to the polls, and who better to do

that then barack obama? and i just cracked up when he -- you know, that was my economy, that line. but sort of reminding people of recent history, and how little donald trump actually accomplished as president is just a useful thing to do, and obama -- you know, you see why he is a unanimous hall of fame for politics for all time, right? because you can see what a massive lyrical talent he has. >> at the same time, i believe it was 2016 he was doing this, and the strategy of the campaign ended up having a bad outcome. but it's no question that former president brack obama is able to deliver a message about trump that doesn't appear to be breaking through in any other way, like actually saying truthfully, he is lying about

this. he is lying to you about this. he is lying about legal migrants, haitian migrants in springfield. sometimes, it is frustrating -- that will be an understatement -- to see that not breakthrough with especially republicans or just decent human beings who should be able to see the difference between right and wrong. barack obama, with joy and with humor, is able to sort of get through to an audience that it is not okay to lie. it's not okay to sell the president the. it's not okay to be a narcissist and have the reins of the president, and on and on and on. where -- it what swing states and with counties -- do you feel has the potential for really breaking through? or should it go? >> i think it is indicative of where he was just last night. i will back up and say there's a two year point about their

are good republicans, very decent people. i don't know how we got this point were donald trump has people believing just because you don't agree with them ideologically, they are the opposition. homer president obama, he has a four minute riff where he is not doing this for applause. where does this become okay? >> is having a conversation not with democrats there, but with moderate republicans, independent voters -- of which there are some. especially in arizona. he is very popular with that demographic as well. often times, president obama, they can rally the base. that is very true, but they are also very good and have very high numbers with more of these were moderate individuals and independent voters. i think that there is a make sure of those votes, and a turnout election. you got to turnout some people

that aren't the base. the, the coalition is a broad one. i was struck with his off the record stop that was very much so on the record with black men , talking to men. i just think the frankness with which president obama addressed many things is that -- in circles, we will say, yes, this was obama's economy. how is donald trump taking credit for it? but you heard him saying, this is mine. i did that. >> what is a reasonable argument for people who are supporting donald trump at this point, but there's a chance -- i mean, it is country over party. i want to talk to you about the reasonable republicans who are, perhaps, oh, come on liz cheney. she went over to the other side when she did the january 6 committee. >> she's not. she's about as republican as there are. that's fair. but to me, it seems you got to

be kind of artist about where we are. , let harris is not going to be the president of your choice. it's not going to be great from your point of view, because you are not going to have all the policy agreement that you would have, perhaps, with a real republican nominee. but you don't have it in donald trump. he is not a republican. he was a democrat. he has donated to kamala harris, and look at what he has done. take a look at what he has said and what he has done and ask yourself, how do you react beyond this person? if you can't say out loud, i can't accept this narcissist who hurts people -- what is the argument to reasonable republicans that you could do this? you could actually vote for kamala harris and actually believe that that is the path to the republican party

ultimately rebuilding itself, having a chance to unleash it self from the chains of this coleader? >> right-leaning voters were considering kamala harris need to know that she is not a radical liberal. and i don't think that the trump campaign has managed to paint her as a san francisco liberal. they haven't had much time, and they haven't really been able to do it. and i think that if you are willing to bridge the democratic/republican divide, you are worried about trump's stability, and it comes down to a values argument . >> we have lots more to get to this hour. wanting joe weekend continues after a short break. break. ♪♪ also from advil, advil targeted relief, the only topical with 4 powerful pain fighting ingredients that start working on contact and lasts up to 8 hours. some people just know they can save hundreds on car insurance by checking allstate first.

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everybody wants. someday we will continue along the path. it's been a horrible period of time, but almost the last four years, we will be -- i will tell you that if i get elected, we will be a bank is stronger than ever before, but we will be a fool no longer. i have more complaints on grocery. the word grocery, it's a simple word, but it's everything you eat. the stomach is speaking. it always does. and i have more complaints about bacon and everything going up double, triple, quadruple. they built a very big plant. many countries, they do that. then all of a sudden you hear they are leaving milwaukee or they are leaving wherever they may be located. very sad to see. and it is so simple. this isn't like elon with his

rocket ships that led within 12 inches on the moon where they wanted to land, or he gets the engines back. that was the first i said, who did engines three or four years ago? there's no way it was not nothing, and they're coming down very slowly landing on a raft in the middle of the ocean someplace with a circle. boom. it reminded me of the biden circles that he used to have, right? he had eight circles and he couldn't fill him up. and i heard he beat us with the popular vote. i don't know. i always loved those circles. it was so beautiful. it was so beautiful to look like. that was the best thing about his -- the level of that circle was great, with equally good people, so they used to have to have press standing those circles, because he couldn't get the people. and i heard we lost. were never going to let that

happen again. but we have been abused. >> i mean -- i wouldn't even call that -- i would not grace that with the phrase word salad. that didn't make sense, and i just don't understand anybody right now who could watch him talk and say, yeah -- he definitely makes more sense than the alternative. all these people, i was watching the news yesterday, whipping around and hearing host whining, kamala harris has to do more. okay. more than everything she is doing? fine. me your ideas. what? i mean, watch the alternative for 2 minutes. grocery? the stomach is speaking? elon's rocket ships. beautiful circles. what the hell ? i mean, that is

an epic we've that he talks about, but his weaves aren't brilliant. you know what he is doing? he is getting to the moment as an hazing aging -- artist. he is just getting through the moment and it's holding detroit to its face. and you are right, simone. there is racism in there. there's always a tinge of racism and what he says. >> he thought he could trash them. that's my estimation. because you all must live in the suburbs. >> let me tell you something. there is something wrong with people who can watch that and think the alternative, kamala harris, isn't more articulate, more prepared, more experienced . more able to -- and when i say articulate, that means actually deliver a message to

the american people on a certain policy. you know she can. if you don't believe it and this is your choice, you are lying to yourself, and you're going to ruin this country. it's going to be on you. because there's no way you can watch that or any of his speeches and get anything out of it except for a hateful, racist, bigoted, tired, aging, branding -- i wouldn't say genius. branding obsessed narcissist. so sam, with that -- tell me how kamala harris appeals to reasonable republicans but still excites the base? i think it is possible, but i do think it's going to involve reasonable people stepping up for this country. >> i think there's a reason that kamala harris continuously tells people to watch trump

rallies. i also think there's a reason the trump refused to do a second debate with kamala harris. i think when the contrast is made apparent, and when people see trump -- god knows how long that was. an hour and 30 minutes of talk. what we played was just part of it. the word doesn't have a good pr agent. so -- your question is difficult, though. because on the one hand, you know, the easiest way to break that contrast for harris is to get on the stage with him. the second heat encourages people to watch him. but you know, trump does do one thing, which is he floods the zone. and by that, i mean he is constantly in our living rooms, on our tvs that's. is cocooned in conservative tv, but he does a lot of events.

he knows he just has to pump out a lot of this bs, and it makes it hard for things to break through. it also kind of makes us desensitized to what we see and when we see it. that's the challenge for harris. how can you break through that? how can you put the contrast forward? she's done it to a degree. this last week has been good for her to get out there and do these types of events. she's just got to keep it going. >> coming up, peter baker joins us with the growing can turn resulting donald trump's age and increasingly erratic behavior. that is straight ahead on morning joe weekend. ng to prott their money with chase. woah, a lost card isn't keeping this thrill seeker down. lost her card, not the vibe. the soul searcher, is finding his identity, and helping to protect it. hey! oh yeah, the explorer! she's looking to dive deeper... all while chase looks out for her. because these friends have chase. alerts that help check. tools that help protect.

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, he repeats himself. he roams from thought to thought -- some of them hard to understand. some of them unfinished, some of them factually fantastical. he voices outlandish claims that seem to be made up out of whole cloth. he digresses into bizarre tangents about golf, about sharks, about his own, quote, beautiful body. he relishes a great day in louisiana after spending the day in georgia. he expresses fear that north korea is trying to kill me when he presumably means iran. as late as last month, mr. trump was still speaking as if he were running against president biden, five weeks after his with drawl from the race. >> and of course, him talking about world war ii. him continually saying that he beat barack obama, and confusing barack obama and joe biden. and the list just go on.

>> and now dangerous. whether it's age or something more nefarious, he is talking about paying the democrats were trying to kill him. >> again, everything does seem to be amped up and unhinged. here's a question, peter. we have been talking about this for quite some time, the donald trump has broken all norms of political rhetoric. i have been talking about charles and how radically different donald trump is from charles krauthammer and how different he is from the 240 years of conservatism before he came on the scene. so i am curious, because even in 2017, charles krauthammer was saying that donald trump is basically unhinged and acting like an 11-year-old. so you have looked at the speeches. sorry for the long windup, but

it's important so people don't say peter is just saying what they have all said for years. you looked at the speeches through the years. you actually see him regressing? you see a difference between the danger and just the maniacal rantings today, and what we may have seen in 2017, 2018, 2020? >> you are right to say it is not new that donald trump is a discursive's beaker, that he rambles, that he says things that are outrageous, that he says things that are untrue, that he seems to at times be disconnected from the norms and standards we are used to. you are absolutely right about that. so then does that mean he is really getting older? we did go back and look at all the rallies. and we did an analysis of all the rallies going back to 2015. i looked at many of them, an awful lot of them. we do see some changes. more accentuation of the

negative, more accentuation of all or nothing wording like never and always. more, you know, use of swear words. is a funny statistic. uses swearwords 69% of the time more than he did in 2016. that is something experts could call disinhibition. you lose your inhibitions as you get older. that's a possibility here. you see the speeches getting longer and more rambling and that sense. there nearly twice as long today as a word 2016. he's doing fewer far fewer of them. does that mean he's tired? we remember he nodded off during his hush money trial. less than one quarter of the rallies so far this year than he did in 2000. so i think it is appropriate to look at age. obviously, he doesn't have the same issues that president biden has. president biden presented very, you know, old physically. he looked frail. he was having a hard time on

that debate stage. trump has different issues. he obviously still in his energy and he obviously is loud and bombastic. that hasn't changed. if you watch the speech patterns and you can see some differences. >> it such important work and you and i have had conversations many times about why joe biden drew so much attention for his age and his verbal missteps, shall we say, and donald trump seemed to avoid that. you correctly note part of this is because donald trump project such volume. it's easy to assume that he is more with it. let's talk a little more about the rhetoric itself in terms of the call -- we talked about it this morning. these calls for violence and these dangerous claims about hurricane response is, or even as we heard over the weekend, this idea with no evidence whatsoever that democrats were behind or inspired the assassination attempt against him. the impact of is