trump had to be a winner in everything, no matter what the situation so you know, he claims victory no matter what happens. that is one of the things that roy cohn teaches him and as cohn tells them in the movie, there is no truth with a t. truth is what you make it. the fact that trump, you know, piles lie upon my often and just sort of defies people to create and say that is not the truth is something that very clearly he internalized from cohn. you know, for anyone who saw "star wars", it is an apprentice-master relationship. he eventually becomes the master. >> yeah . he sure does. a bit earlier this year, the trump campaign said the film doesn't even deserve a place in the restricted straight to dvd section of a bargain bin edison to be closed discount movie store. is the trump campaign confirmed this film could potentially impact the race?

>> if they are, they shouldn't be. this movie opened to the box office, estimates are very soft, about $1.5 million. it is probably a movie that should've gone straight to streaming. i suspect it will be available, you know, for digital purchase and streaming very soon. this is one of those instances where i think by lashing out at it, if anything, it calls more attention to it and probably made the producers and the distributor feel like we've got to get this thing in theaters before the election. there is not a huge market for this movie but the people who do see it, i think, will see the relationship between trump and cohn and see what he took away from it. >> yeah. you could take away it explains the way donald trump is , if nothing else. all right, brian lowry, thank you so much, appreciate your time with us. in the meantime, something that probably did not cross your radar but you will want to hear it sounding a new alarm. plus, the moment of truth. what does it mean in the next hour starts now. ♪ ♪ home

good day to all of you from msnbc news in los angeles. welcome to "alex witt reports". we begin this hour with decision 2024, new polling which is 24 days until the election. the show vice president kamala harris have polls neck-and- neck in arizona and pennsylvania. voters in pennsylvania say their top issues on the economy, abortion, immigration and the state of democracy, also inflation in the cost of living. one pennsylvania incumbent locked in his own tight race reelection says his and his fellow democrats' focus will be on keeping prices down. >> huge corporations that have been benefiting from huge corporate tax breaks that republicans passed, those same corporations are jacking up prices and their profits are going up 75%, five times the rate of inflation. we need to hold them accountable.

we also have to help families with the cost of childcare, the child tax credit will help enormously to pay for food, childcare and rent. we have to continue to fight on this front. ♪ ♪ new this hour, vp harris is making stops in north carolina later today. she will meet with black elected officials, faith leaders and community members. she also plans to help volunteers prepare supplies for hurricane helene really. first lady jill biden is out in phoenix. thomas is in minnesota, jd vance is in pennsylvania and trump is speaking in las vegas and in coachella, california. we have a report on that in a moment for you. tomorrow former president bill clinton will hit the trail for vp harris campaigning in georgia and north carolina and next week former president obama will be in arizona and las vegas. governor walz today is at the

annual governors pheasant hunt in minnesota. friday, in an interview with the pennsylvania tv station, he talked about the harris campaign's outreach to male voters. >> we need to make sure we are getting out to them. we hear what they are saying. we understand they are concerned, too, with issues, whether it is climate, healthcare or reproductive rights. men care about that, too. messaging the way we are hearing them, these are folks who want to make sure they can get a good job, buy a home and get a good education. ♪ ♪ >> are reporters and analysts are tracking all these developing story lines for us. we begin at the white house. who are the big names vice president harris is enlisting to help on the trail? >> reporter: with the polls still neck and neck in this final stretch until election day we see the harris campaign dispatch what my colleague kelly o'donnell has a properly dug --.super surrogates to try

to swing still undecided voters. this past case was made by former president barack obama using his influence as the country's first black president to help harris appeal more to specifically blackmail voters. those of the typical voters we have seen in poll after poll show they have expressed an openness to voting for former president trump is simply as a lack of enthusiasm for voting in general. the former president was campaigning for harris in pittsburgh a few days ago and called on these men to reconsider sitting out on the sidelines in november. he called them out for thinking that former president trump, in his words, is a sign of strength and also suggested that some of them may not be comfortable with a female president in the oval office. listen to some of his comments. ♪ ♪ >> you have someone who has consistently shown disregard, not just for the communities, but for you as a person. i've got a problem with that because part of it makes me think, i am speaking to men

directly, part of it makes me think that, well, you just aren't feeling the idea of having a woman as president. you are coming up with other alternatives and other reasons for it. ♪ ♪ >> reporter: sources familiar with obama's thinking say this will be a major focus for him right up until election day and this is very personal for him and he will continue this get out the vote tour he is embarking on heading out west, as you mentioned earlier this week, heading to arizona, as well as nevada. the harris campaign will also be using another former president, using former president bill clinton to reach out to rural voters with clinton heading to georgia, as well as north carolina, this week. the big question is if they

will make an impact and if they do, how much of an impact? will it be enough to actually move the needle in the final days before the election, alex? >> i guess we will see. speaking of heading west, as i think you, allie, we go to north las vegas, nevada where we are joined by david noriega. talk about the significance of donald trump coming back to nevada today and what is his strategy behind his participation in this hispanic roundtable? >> reporter: yeah, alex, it helps to understand a little bit of context, which is that donald trump has made pretty substantial gains with latino voters in each of the last election cycles he has participated in to the play, he is poised potentially to pass the 40% support mark in november, which would be very significant, it is a really since george w. bush that republicans have seen that level of support from latino

voters. with that said, there are a couple of obstacles to him making full use of those gains he has been making with this demographic. one of them is that the appeal is strongest among sections of that demographic that are low purpose and the voters, male hispanics. there are those expressing support for trump but they may not go to the polling places on november 5. the other thing is a core part of trump's frederick , brain, ideology, whatever you want to call it, ever since he entered the political scene has been disparaging, caustic remarks about immigrants, specifically mexican immigrants and latin american immigrants and gentle. i've spoken to hispanic voters in nevada over the course of the last year, they say they are intrigued by trump, they like aspects of his personality and they particularly like his message on the economy and his record on the economy while he was in office but they are turned off by this rhetoric on migrants and immigration. it is interested -- interesting he is doing this before the hispanic voters and business owners because yesterday he was in colorado displaying one of the most

unrestrained, let's say, examples of this anti-migrant rhetoric, equating migrants with violence and disorder. listen to what he said just yesterday in aurora, colorado. >> kamala has imported an army of illegal gang members and criminals from the dungeons of the third rule. from prisons and jails and insane asylums and mental institutions. she had them resettle beautifully into your community to prey upon innocent american citizens. >> reporter: one-way, alex, trump hispanic supporters and his surrogates are trying to thread this needle is by telling people who are turned off by that kind of language to not make mention of what he says but pay attention to his record in office. that is the main strategy to get the point across, alex. >> david, thank you so much

for that. to further the conversation we have a democratic strategists aisha cross and former secretary to speaker john weiner and tram one analyst brendan buck. i wish you could've seen me while they were playing that soundbite. i was like, what is he even saying? trump goes to aurora and amplifies his distortions and his lies on immigration. then he goes to detroit and insults that city. why do they think this is a winning formula? do you think this will help him on election day? >> well, one can only hope. he thinks it is a winning strategy because the polls show everything is still neck and neck. one thing we notice is that donald trump never lets up on his rhetoric when it relates to migrants and also is related to essentially criminalizing being latino. we have seen this across his social media, as well. just yesterday he posted an image of young latino men and called that what would happen

to your community of kamala harris was in charge of doing anything for housing. he is trying to scare the hell out of people about black and brown people. that is the crux of his campaign. it is racism. it is some of the most inherent and scary and xenophobic things we have seen in this country, but it is also a playbook out of what we have seen in a lot of regimes that are authoritarian because, annihilating any idea of multiculturalism is a cornerstone of authoritarian regimes. what we have seen time and time again from donald trump, that only since he has run for office but long before when he was a real estate mogul in new york was his animus toward people of color. he is utilizing that as a landmark for his campaign time and time again. i think the bigger question is, why we are still seeing room,

political room, amongst the latino population leaning toward someone who has shown over and over and over that regardless of where you come from or what you look like, if you are latino, you are threat to our communities, you are threat to america, you are threat to the very survival of white people. that is what he is doing with this rhetoric. he doesn't care if he is spreading it in aurora are going to detroit to talk to the largest city in michigan, which is still a battleground state. for lack of a better term, hating on that city, it is very frustrating and very difficult to get around and the fact he still remains neck and neck in the polls, he is not going to stop because there has not been, up to this day, there has not been a drop off for him in support. >> yeah. i have no answer to the question as to why but anyway, brendan, even people who admired trump in detroit, they were not happy with this knock on their city and the constant attack on migrants. is there a play at all where even his supporters need to have a more optimistic message? >> i hate to say no. look, i think they are convinced that immigration is a winning issue for them and so they will do and say anything to make immigration the topic of conversation. that is what springfield was

all about. jd vance basically said that out loud. you know, if i have to draw your attention up here so you are focused on immigration, i will do that at all and it is a much bigger issue than i think democrats appreciated for very long time. i think it caught up to them. obviously, kamala harris is trying to do everything she can to demonstrate she will be tough on the border. if we are talking about immigration for the next three weeks, that is a very good thing for donald trump. if we

are talking about abortion or maybe the economy, then kamala harris is in a better position. this is all about the strength of the last three weeks, who is setting the tone? what is the conversation we are having? he knows and is willing to be much more outlandish to control what we talk about as to what we have done. his entire career he has done it and here he is doing it again. >> you know, there is a new "new york times" article, brendan. it suggests trump is lashing out behind closed door over money. are campaign donations drawing up and how much of a problem does this pose? >> you raise a lot of money but he has given a lot away to lawyers. the real issue is that kamala harris is having a fundraising bonanza and she can go into places he simply can't. i don't know why he is campaigning in california new york. if he is concerned about money, you should not waste money on events like that. he has only himself to blame if they are coming up short and they can't expand and just say they can't open up the kind of operations that they want to. there has been an incredible amount of mismanagement in that way. but the reality is, this is

about kamala harris and the enthusiasm she has been able to build which allows her to be in states like north carolina that are now in play we didn't necessarily think it was before. >> aisha, new "washington post" article suggest the harris and trump camps are looking at this race in different ways. trump says she is winning. the harris folks are more cautious saying she could lose. what you think is behind these two approaches and do you prefer the caution? >> i do for the caution, especially for kamala harris. she knows, if polls are to be believed, this is neck and neck. she knows it will be a turnout the boat race, she knows that it will go that way to election day. she also knows the demographic she has to get out and in march number. many cases, a larger number than biting that out in 2020. i think she is the underdog the entire time, which makes sense, considering she had the shortest runway to a presidential election of anybody in american history but in addition to that, i think donald trump, because he always wants to exude strength, he always was to exude he is ahead, even when he is not, he is telling his lies and his bombastic nature, for his base, this matters to him. he can never showcase he may lose. at that point, it runs against

everything he stands for and everything his base believes in. this exertion of power, abstract, of i am winning no matter what, he came out of the debate we roundly saw him lose and told everybody he won that, too. this is something trump is known from -- for and i don't think he will run away from. >> governor walz is in minnesota pheasant hunting, this is rather unconventional for a campaign strategy. are there enough voters that this will inspire them to vote for the harris-walz ticket? >> if we believe america is led by misogyny, led by the belief a woman does not have the powerful leadership to be

present, which i think there is a segment of the american population stuck on that. if that is to be believed holistically, having a man on the ticket and a man showcasing is a man's man, he is out here doing the nature things that are expected from certain segments of the american population, that could be a ticker point. to the polls you showed earlier, this will come down between the economy, reproductive rights and how people feel about immigration. i don't think that gun toting in any way is going to be the top line of whether or not somebody makes a distinction in voting for trump or voting for harris. like has been set multiple times before, it's the economy, stupid . >> brendan, with the "new york times", which interviewed jd vance this week . five times he refused to say donald trump lost. do they fear they will lose more voters if they admit trump lost than if they simply told the truth? >> i think they just fear donald trump. i think everybody in the republican party wants to say out loud but of course donald trump lost in 2020 but, as we have now covered extensively, he refuses to ever say he is a loser. he does not want to face that kind of backlash. it is, i think, incredibly damaging, right?

i thought the debate with kamala harris, the very worst moment for donald trump was this two minute riff on how he actually won the 2020 election. it makes him look so small and petty. he wants to project this image of strength but it makes him look totally out to lunch. it just puts everybody in the republican party in this stupid position. i guess anybody who wants to stay in trump's good graces, there is not a good answer. jd vance knows very well trump lost fair and square but donald trump put him in this position and he doesn't want to get his hands slapped. >> yeah. all right. both of you, please stay with me. later on we will talk about former president obama not mincing his words. is it being received the way democrats want? first, with a new and improbable. this hour amid the devastation in florida. we will be back in a short 90 seconds. seconds. ly whiter smile. new personal best. crest.

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today major flooding and rescues still happening in florida days after hurricane milton made landfall wednesday. isolated storms this weekend are threatening to make the problem worse. officials in pasco county are now recommending voluntary evacuations and shelters remain open to take people in.

meanwhile, more than 1 million customers are still without power across the state and at least 17 deaths have been conferred. storms like this are prompting concerns of the impacts of climate change on future natural disasters. take a listen to what climate expert had to say. >> someone may talk about climate change and the consequences of increasing omissions and the disasters we are seeing. when we talk about physical risks, some of the things we're looking at, you know, increased rainfall in the stores. we see the storms pack more of a punch. we see them with greater force. we see them with higher inundation, more flooding, higher rates of rainfall flooding which is partly why we are seeing such a historic flooding in areas that don't have a lot of flood insurance. >> let's go right now to nbc's guad venegas joining us from pasco county, florida, where officials are inspecting the impact of the flooding. there is so much flooding, it is picture behind you. what can you tell us? >> reporter: alex, you know, the expert was talking about the increased rainfall with climate change. the researcher indicates they have seen five to 10 times the amount of rainfall for the month of october already in this part of florida.

all that came with the last one, hurricane milton, was areas in the central part of the state. that water has to run through rivers and lakes and eventually make its way to the gulf. this is what is causing the flooding. we've got these rivers with too much water. they are overflowing. that water is going into these communities. you can see these houses with a couple feet of water. all of the water you can see, it is basically properties and streets that now look like rivers. we took a ride with some of the rescuers that have been patrolling this area, helping some of the customers. here in pasco county, here they said they had about 150 rescues yesterday. today they are staged in different areas around the county to continue patrolling this area and look for people that have to be rescued as this flooding continues. here's part of the conversation i had with a member of that team. >> that you're saying the river will probably come back up in the next couple of days, whether it is here or further east. probably after the amount of time people have been flooded out, they start getting low on

medicines, low on oxygen. >> some of the dangers are mainly the speed of the water in the amount of force the water pushes. when the river is moving, it can move up to 4000 pounds per square inch. you can't fight that if you are a human. >> reporter: alex, when we think of the flooding, we think about the residents, the effect on residents, but others are also affected by this we might not think about. i will give you an example. this building overhears a pediatrics care clinic. we spoke with a doctor who owns it and he says he has children, babies, scheduled to come in and get their vaccines on monday and on tuesday, of course, many of those appointments had to be canceled. he came in to check on a special fridge he has where the vaccines are being held to make sure the temperature is holding

to make sure those vaccines are good because he has patients, newborns and babies, waiting to come in this week for vaccines. he says he knows other doctors who have offices in the area also flooded. look at all the affects on the flooding. doctors offices, businesses, residents. this is just pasco county. hillsborough county south of us also has a lot of flooding. this is just one of the challenges officials have to deal with after a hurricane in the tampa area. >> thank you for the details. just extraordinary. thank you for sharing that one, particularly, guad, appreciate it. the department of justice is accusing virginia of illegally removing voters from election roles weeks before election day. what is behind that next. next. (vo) at verizon every phone can be the new iphone 16 pro with apple intelligence. wow phones are going to be flying to verizon. switch to verizon and get the new iphone 16 pro, and get a new ipad and apple one, all on us. only on verizon.

new today, virginia firing back at the department of justice, calling a new lawsuit from the doj a desperate attempt to attack the legitimacy of the elections in the commonwealth. here's what started all this. the department of justice sued virginia, accusing it of striking names from voter rolls in violation of federal

election law. we are following this from washington. welcome. we are just a little over three weeks until election day. early voting in virginia has already begun. what more can you tell us about this, gary? >> it is part of the time crunch that is part of the problem here. there is a provision called the voter registration act, 20 years old, certainly not new here, they said there has to be a quiet period, 90 days, before any voter roll challenges to take place. that is a big deal because doj is alleging in this lawsuit that virginia, on a daily basis, has been violating that provision by comparing u.s. citizens status from dmv records in the commonwealth of virginia that could be incorrect for whatever reason to the current voter rolls. the da is alleging they are purging people on a daily basis because of that. predominantly democratic prince william county in virginia where 43 of 162 individuals

were purged from those voter rolls, some of them, they say, were likely u.s. citizens in processing. so they only have 14 days to fix those problems. they say, yes, i am a u.s. citizen. some of those folks never get those alerts and that is why the doj is saying, particularly glenn youngkin, he called this politically motivated and called this election interference, alex. wow. that is extraordinary. let me ask you quickly about this other news from washington. former president trump is reportedly requesting military aircraft and vehicles in his final weeks of the campaign. what is that about? image, security or something else? >> reporter: i think the answer to that is yes, alex. nobody wants to take any

chances on either side of the aisle, especially after what we have seen over the summer. the trump campaign has requested a number of things. it is military capabilities, right? we are talking about military aircraft, perhaps to fly around in the final weeks of the campaign, some other aspects could be linked to the beast, which is what the president drives in when he is out and about in the motorcade, very high level things. i was at a trump rally last weekend and it is already a very high level of united states secret service community -- security, it is the highest level they can provide, exactly what the president gets. there were many trucks surrounding the venue so you had no sideline unless you are in the venue itself to donald trump and there was also bulletproof glass that plot, really the view, people at the rally from seeing donald trump very well. significant increase in security for the former president, alex. >> okay, thank you, my friend. good to see you, gary. >> thank you moore are more friends, aisha cross and brendan buck. aisha, on tuesday vice president harris will sit down with charlemagne the god on his

very popular radio show. in recent surveys, it shows harris has been losing support among black voters, let's listen to some of former president's obama's words at a pittsburgh campaign office on thursday. >> and you are thinking about sitting out and coming up with all kinds of reasons and excuses, i've got a problem with that because part of it makes me think, i am speaking to them directly, part of it makes me think, you know, you just aren't feeling the idea of having a woman as president. you are coming up with other alternatives another reasons for that. >> you think on the fence voters will respond to these pretty blunt, direct words? what else should harris be doing to attract black men? >> i don't think that is the message that will move black men broadly. what we do know, black men, in terms of the exit polls, they vote a good three to four

percentage points with black women. black people, holistically, the largest body of support for the democratic party and has been for a lot of time. a lot of this ire is misplaced. it was started by right-wingers and it exploded. are there people not necessarily excited about this election cycle? obviously. many of those are people still dealing with the effects of covid-19 pandemic in terms of their personal economy. these are individuals, black men are big part of this, you feel as though they have not seen gains in healthcare.

they have not seen sizable gains in housing support, they have not seen sizable gains and things like small business ownership. they want to have a slice of the american pie, an american pie that was literally designed to leave them out. those people have a very strong, i think, appealed to the democratic party to ask for more. they have been doing that a while. i think when it comes to turnout, the idea of turnout is not by insulting people. the idea of getting people out is also showing them how the policies they are pushing for, the opportunity economy, is open the black men and what it looks like to them on a daily basis. that is more the argument that needs to be had more than anything else. >> donald trump has been appearing almost exclusively on shows directed squarely at young male audiences. most of them amount to trump taking the fraternity house or locker room talk with right wing influencers and presenting himself as the ultimate alpha male. is avoiding traditional media helping trump? what you think about doubling down on young support for men to get them in the white house? >> i think it is less avoiding

traditional media, i look at the polls and they see that young, white men really like donald trump and they will try to run up the score there. donald trump was never made to appeal to the middle, he was never made to appeal to those nikki haley voters with moderation. that is just not who we as and frankly, i don't think it is that out of pocket to say donald trump is not someone he is it. to bring this altogether, harris is not doing as well with black men. she is not doing well with men, in general. what was so remarkable about what barack obama did there, it wasn't necessarily his message to win them over it was forcing the conversation, forcing democrats to recognize they have a big problem with men. i will be honest, i think some of the democrats, the campaign, whether it proves their messaging to men, i think they are just really missing the mark. tim walz goes off and shoots pheasants, that is fine and all but if you are man enough, you can support a woman's right to choose, it is sort of like force-feeding you are a progressive. i think what barack obama did on stage at an event recently is much more effective. it is pointing out that donald trump is not the strongman you think he is. we have seen men like strength

as a characteristic. obama has made the play he is not the strongman. he complains constantly. he is probably the most insecure person in america and try to take him down a notch rather than say strongman support the progressive agenda, i hope they can figure out pretty soon that what they are doing with man is not working. >> we will see. ameshia and brendan, i will see you guys again soon. thank you. it is the one state that could give us an early hint on election night about the outcome but there is a hitch . .

it's a dead heat between kamala harris and donald trump in north carolina, a battleground state with 16 electoral college votes that are key to victory. new "wall street journal" poll says trump is leading harris by one point . when third-party candidates are included, they are tied in a head-to-head rest. as the swing state cleans up from hurricane helene, both of them are contending with the political fallout. harris will make her 19th visit to the state and visit with locals at a restaurant in raleigh. tomorrow she will visit a church and hold a rally. the state chair the north carolina democratic party joins

me. welcome back. it is good to see you. i don't to tell you, the race could not be tighter in north carolina. that is according to the polls. doesn't feel that close on the ground there? >> alex, thanks for having us. we do feel like the race is extremely close in the state. are not taken one single vote for granted, which is why we have been out knocking on doors every single weekend for the election cycle coming up. if you are in north carolina and questioning how do you get access to your ballot, especially with a hurricane we had come through the western part of the state, a state where the elections have set up a website where you can go to. you can be able to help access polling locations across the counties that have been impacted in our state. >> give me a sense of how the cleanup from helene has impacted the campaign efforts. >> we know we have seen extremely politicized national approach to this from the trump campaign but what we know here on the ground in north carolina is that republican and democratic elected officials have been coming together across the state to make sure everybody is putting their heart and soul into making sure that western north carolina gets the relief it needs after

this devastation. governor cooper just signed the bill into law yesterday for republicans and democrats and the state legislator floors that pass $275 million to go into relief efforts for the western part of north carolina right now. >> we have, what, over 1 million voters or so that live in the hardest hit areas from helene, many of them unaffiliated with any party. is the election the last thing on their minds right now? how does that complicate the vote count when all is said and done? >> we know that people that have been impacted in a way that is indescribable right now, i mean, folks have lost family members and we are, our hearts and souls are just with the people right now and voting is the last thing on their mind right now, especially when you think about the tragedy that struck. mitchell county alone lost its entire water supply. the key restoration can be up to three years. the devastation from that is something we are trying to make sure folks don't forget about something else that is their constitutional

right, which is the right to vote. our county parties in western north carolina have resorted to a wellness check motor operation in the state, making sure people are, first and foremost okay and have what they need but help to educate folks on their polling locations that they changed in western north carolina because the state board of election has allowed the county boards in the 25 counties in western north carolina to be able to expand polling locations and websites for early voting in election day. that obviously starts october 17 there in north carolina for the early vote. >> that is thursday, right? you talked about the logistical challenges there and what you are trying to do for all of that but what do you expect, in terms of voter turnout to be? >> we have full confidence in our state board and county boards of elections that they will do everything they can but

we don't know. that is something, you know, you never understand with a natural disaster like this or a national tragedy what the ramifications will be until november. we are just trying to make sure everybody understands what their rights are, what they have access to, there are resources that they need. folks right now can request mail-in ballots in person at any board of elections office in the 25 affected counties right now in north carolina and make sure people know their rights before going to vote this year is so important. if you have been displaced in a county you may not be able to get back to the county you originally lived in, those 25 that have been under the state law, basically, what it allows for, it allows you to vote in the county you reside in and the ability to have your ballot transferred back to the local county you live in right now. i can be complicated, which is why we tell everybody ncsbe.gov éhelene will give you every answer to your question you may have for particular counties in north carolina and the state party also has a voter protection hotline anybody can call or text at any point in

time. >> here's the bottom line. north carolina is a swing state. it is a very important state this year. it is on east coast time. how long do you think it will take to tally all the votes in that state? do you have any sort of timeframe? do you expect the final results that night? >> we are not really sure what this could do, honestly, the votes could come in at the last minute. we do know every single mail-in ballot has got to be given back to the state or county board you are within within that election day deadline of 7:30 p.m. we expect north carolina to be counted that evening. some of the races will be affected because, as you heard me say earlier, you can vote in the not the county you live in

if you are part of the 25 that are disaffected in north carolina right now so close her down ballot races of the ones we will have to monitor closely. we do expect this election to be called on election night in north carolina we expect kamala harris to be victorious in our state. she has been traveling around the entire part of the state, like you said earlier. we are excited to have her in eastern north carolina in greenville this weekend. spent 19 visits to the state. anderson clayton, best of luck. you know you have quite the task in front of you. a stark message you may have missed this week, the voices inside the trump administration at one time and why it dovetails with the new article, the moment of truth. but we need your support now more than ever. visit this website, call, or scan the code on your screen, with your $19 monthly gift. help us win the fight for the constitutional right to control our own bodies. there's never been a more urgent time to join. so go online, call, or scan this code now.

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his own vice president is not supporting him. multiple former chiefs of staff, former national security advisors, multiple department of defense has, chairman of the chiefs of staff, the press secretary, the list goes on. all of us who saw him up close and personal as president, some of the seniormost roles in the most consequential roles are the people who say he should know where this might be nowhere near the oval office. >> that is alyssa farrah griffin come panning against donald trump in pennsylvania this week. her former colleagues also joined the panel. so, which is 24 days until election day, the moment of truth is almost here in the new cover story of the atlantic magazine. tom nichols argues the reelection of donald trump was

the end of george washington's presidency for the united states. he joins me right now, staff writer with the atlantic and former professor at the u.s. naval board college. welcome back to the broadcast. we have been hearing warnings repeatedly about this election being the most consequential. you make the case as the first president, george washington set a high standard of character against which all presidents are now measured. since then, we have had certainly more than one scandal in the white house. what is different about trump? why would his reelection take washington's entire vision? >> you know, it is such a great question because the other men who served as president, some of them really were, as you put it, were scoundrels and moral weaklings but you can measure them all along in the same scale, the same yardstick that washington set. as i said in the piece, even richard nixon, at the moment of history, chose not to rally his base against impeachment. he wrote a letter resignation

letter and left public life. he did a noble act compared to trump thumbing his nose at two impeachment and still claiming that any election he doesn't win is rigged. you know, i think the difference with trump is he is hostile to the entire system. he is not coloring outside the lines. he is not bending the rules. he doesn't care about any of this. he is completely wrapped up in his own interests, his own narcissistic needs, his own corruption. we have ever -- never had anyone like him in the oval office and this time, you know, he has learned his lessons. he will bring people with them that are not alyssa farrah griffin or rex to listen or james mattis or any of these other people. he will bring people to do what exactly he tells them to do and

will dear any institution and the voters and the people of the united states to stop him. it is going to be a lot more difficult this time. it is not the same yardstick. he is throwing that out. this is a play for authoritarian power we have never seen in an american election before. >> the latest polling from the "wall street journal" shows not just the dead heat, it also shows 6% of registered voters in battleground states are still undecided. how do you account for trump still within striking distance, in spite of all of those who are not voting for him? >> because there are millions of americans who simply just don't take this election seriously and they don't take most election seriously. i am sorry, if you are jill stein voter, you are not a serious boater. for that matter, even a robert kennedy voter, you are not thinking about what is best for the country. you are thinking about making a statement of what you think would be fun. there are millions of people who just cannot get their heads around how bad donald trump is and how much worse he will be because they still think of this as some kind of ongoing reality tv show.

um, they want to renew it for another four years because they are curious to see what happens. i think, finally, there is a group of people that just think anything, any candidate who seems to make millions of other americans uncomfortable must be doing something right. they are not voting for something. they are not voting because of some, i mean, one of the things that is really striking about trump voters is how much they don't care about policy. they are voting to see if they can discomfort and anger other americans for their own kind of internal reasons . you can't really reason with people like that. harris is behind with a lot of those folks and i would argue there is not much she can do about it. that is why she is turning out everyone else rather than trying to convert those kind of voters. >> you quoted a historian saying washington proved his truest allegiance was by voluntary surrendering power,

one of the first of many peaceful transfers of power in the unprecedented american experiment. trump told his supporters to storm the capital on january 6, 2021 and a little bit of what he said on thursday. let's all watch it. >> i know your pain. i know you are hurting. we had an election that was stolen from us. >> it reminded me of the biden circle ceased to have, right? he would have eight circles and he could not fill them up. but then i heard he beat us with the popular vote. i don't know. i don't know. i heard we also lost, we never got to let that happen again. >> so how his his narrative changed around losing the 2020 election? what concerns does trump's latest writer graze for you? >> trump has embedded the idea that 2020 was a stolen election. he did it even on january 6. he does not think of american

institutions away washington and other presidents did, that they are temporary stewards of these institutions. donald trump thinks everything belongs to him and that once he owns it you cannot take it away. there is no such thing as voting to take away something that donald trump once owned. once he owns the army, it is his army. once he owns the oval office, it is his oval office. who are these people to say he can't own that anymore. he is, i think he is not only setting up the notion and has been for four years with his followers that, you know, 2020 was stolen but if he loses this time, that they have every right to rebel against the government because donald trump, in donald trump's world, no election he loses could have

possibly been a fair american election. >> extraordinary. it is the cover story, everyone, in the atlantic magazine. i suggest everyone read it. thank you for your time, tom nichols. questions and answers from the vice president's interview with the spanish media network. i will talk with someone who was there with her in the next hour. hour. playi ng] i hope that she lives a long, great, happy life and that she will never forget how mom and daddy love her. saint jude-- maybe this is what's keeping my baby girl alive. [music playing] narrator: you can join the battle to save lives by supporting st. jude children's research hospital. for just $19 a month, you'll help us continue the life-saving research and treatment these kids need now and in the future. speaker: cancer makes me feel angry, like not in the feel on the outside, just the inside. i'm angry at it. speaker: when your kid is hurting and there's nothing you can do about it, that's the worst feeling in the world.

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