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weeks until the election we are seeing some desperate moves by the trump campaign to swing voters in states he cannot win. a new book is stirring up controversy that proves the message. the apprentice and the director who has been working on it since trump's first term. i am ayman mohyeldin, let's do it. donald trump is taking coachella as in the california desert, which we all associate with one of the world's most famous music festivals. that time of year when we get two weekends of celebrity sightings and wild outfits. in one hour from now trump is headlining not as a musical act, but as a presidential candidate at a ranch in the coachella valley. if you take away the coachella

of it all trump is choosing to visit california, a state that leans heavily democrat and is going basically blew in every election since 1988. trump lost count badly by over 29 percentage points four years ago. so why of all places is trump holding high profile event there? weeks before the election in a place he has virtually no shot at winning? turns out this is not a one-off. trump is campaigning in several solidly democratic states in the weeks before the election. there's a strategy. yesterday trump campaigned in aurora, colorado, a democratic state which has not been considered a battleground in several election cycles. and now his team has booked madison square garden of all places in new york city. trump is planning a rally there later this month. how does the trump campaign explain this unorthodox approach? a senior trump campaign adviser said they are thinking less local and more national. national media attention on these large-scale outside the norm settings increases the

reach of his message across the country and penetrates in every battleground state. in other words his raleigh locations are designed to get him as much coverage as possible and solidify his place as the media present. but the strategy isn't just about generating, he's trying to boost performance. he received over 6 million votes in 2020 more than other republican presidential candidate. areas that favor conservatives his margins top 70%. by rallying those supporters some of them started gathering hours ahead of today's event he's trying to get conservatives to volunteer and help in down ballot races and help draw out nontraditional voters. on the topic of that it's about optics. this is a clear attempt to bash vice president harris on her record in her own home state.

stephen chung said in a statement, kamala harris did and think damage to california during her six years as the most liberal attorney general in state history. trump's trip to california will head light highlight harris' failing record. >> something to's advisers will not tell you, and it always comes down to money, or the lack of it. california has loads of wealthy donors providing abundant opportunities for fundraising. the associated press reports at tonight's coachella rally priced at $25,000. a single vip experienced will cost you $5000. this might be a much needed cash flow, because lately trump's richest donors are not cutting it. according to reporting by the new york times trump gathered some of the wealthiest figures in the republican party at trump tower. and he lashed out at them over a dinner of steak

and baked potatoes. trump is struggling with small dollar donations this time around. an analysis by the open secrets plummeted since his last attempt for the white house. when trump is locked in a neck and neck race with kamala harris when every movement cancel his campaign's just throwing things at the wall to see what sticks. it's no strategy. there is no strategic thinking are critical thinking about this. the question remains though will a hail mary and blue states backfire or pay off for donald trump? analyst and former congressman from florida. brian tyler contributor of now lie with brian tyler cowen and author of the book shameless republicans delivered dysfunction in the battle to preserve democracy. good to have you both with us. brian, your reaction to what we are about to see, to going to

this coachella rally in deep blue california. and as we mentioned aurora, colorado, and madison square garden, here in new york. >> yeah, i think it's one of two things, and i want to caution don't watch what trump is doing in where people are saying he might be heading over there to help ease down ballot candidates. donald trump does not do anything unless it benefits one person, and that is donald trump. is not doing this out of benevolence. there's a lot of money out there, so he will do anything to consolidate more money for himself. be, when he says he wants to make a play for new york i think somewhere in his brain he thinks he's actually going to make a play for new york. and so he will host these rallies and madison square garden, because if you needed a testament, it's what he's doing right here in these last few weeks before the election rather than make the smart play

and this is coming from someone who voted for hillary clinton in 2016 where we would have loved to see her campaign in wisconsin instead of doing that let's like this idea of him going to new york and california is somehow some brilliant move is completely backwards. i don't buy at it. >> you have experienced working with republican strategists. what you make of this strategy, this idea that trump campaigning in los angeles, or in coachella, just give me your thoughts on it overall. reports suggest he is there to talk about the border issue and try and put that front and center. >> and look i do have 20 years of running campaigns before serving. i think to brian's point part of this could be raw vanity of donald trump. someone who is deluded enough to think he can compete.

he's a historically bad candidate. he truly is. if you look at the objective numbers any republican but trump would probably be doing better right now. donald trump just makes all the wrong moves. but there is something in the strategists' comments that i subscribe to and i believe. we are in campaign cycles where all politics are national. if you consider and in every community across the country for republicans, what is informing their intensity? it's the misinformation that springville, ohio. it's misinformation about fema. it's misinformation about the biden crime networker vice president harris. and it doesn't matter where that bully pulpit is for republicans, that's the message that will resonate and quickly hit voters in whichever state in which they live. i find it fascinating the trump campaign has decided we can use a bully pulpit in california or you new york. because politics is national you could get the twofer.

there's a lot to unpack after this election about how we reach voters. there are down ballot campaigns they have been struggling to reach voters with traditional means of mail or digital or commercials. what you are seeing from the trump campaign i think his resignation to the notion it does not matter where in the country they are there going to reach their republican voters exactly the same regardless of where the message is delivered from. >> i was going to say can i jump in for a quick second mark on that exact point i do think there's something to be said for you know, this is kind of a microcosm of trump's campaign more broadly, because he has largely given up on local politics. we are seeing in a lot of swing states he's not opening up field offices. he's kind of sacrificed what we've known to be the effective means of reaching voters in these states in deference to these national political moves like getting a rally out in madison square garden, new york, or going to coachella in the area of california.

are going on fox and friends. they will have a better sense of that in november, but it shows trump is largely surrendering what we view as the ways to win these campaigns in these swing states. >> it's a good point about his unconventional approach, and it begs the question, david, that he's growing frustrated with his rich donors. a lot of money has been poured into donald trump over the years. people who backed him and paid for his legal defenses. selling bibles, selling shoes, he's trying to find a penny in every corner of this earth. what's your reaction to the reporting on trump's grievances . >> donald trump is a selfish grifter who is okay with criminality.

i would say to his donors, too bad, you made your bed. what did you think when you began a relationship with donald trump is one of the must ungrateful politicians. your giving your money to somebody who led an insurrection on january 6th and did not participate in a peaceful transfer of power. if you're surprised he's also going to take your money while you're supporting him, too bad. you made your bed. stick with it. >> if it's media attention he wants he passed up on a chance to debate the vice president against which would have been a national audience. he passed up the 60 minutes interview he was supposed to sit for on monday, and instead he seems to be just to his core base. we are certainly not covering coachella. i don't know of anyone else who will be covering the coachella

rally. it's trying to juice up or jacked up his base. >> he wants the attention for sure, but he doesn't want it if it comes at the risk of him having to face off head to head with kamala harris or facing off with leslie stahl or a legit reporter. he wants to avoid fact checking. i think he's tried to have it both ways, but to that exact point he has relinquished these opportunities in the home stretch where he would get a lot of attention, and again is a silo wing himself we have 20 some odd days, or he should not be focused on just entrenching his support among the people who are already voting for him but rather expanding his tent. i don't think he's going to do that just by focusing on his rallies with his most diehard supporters were interviews with fox and friends. >> go anywhere, we have more to

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of the ocean someplace with a circle boom. reminded me of the biden circles that he used to have. right? he would have eight circles and he couldn't fill them up, but then i heard he beat us with the popular vote. i don't know i don't know. couldn't fill out the eight circles. i always loved those circles, they were so beautiful. it was so beautiful to look at. in fact the person that did them, that was the best thing about his, the level of that circle was great, but they couldn't get people, so they use to have the press stand in those circles, because they couldn't get the people. and i heard we lost oh we lost. no we are never going to let that happen again. >> now, if you are completely lost, you are not alone. trump's meandering completely nonsensical speech immediately set off alarm bells for a number of political watchers including republicans. this week after several recent off the rails appearances, former trump ally chris christie became the latest to question trump's apparent

mental decline. let's go back to my panel. brian, what do you make of the speech we just played a clip of there? does it look like his rambling has been getting worse as the election nears? this guy has been in decline for months if not years. >> correct. the-- to make sense of whether donald is getting worse when this was also the guy who claimed that barack obama was still the president who claims that world war ii hasn't happened yet that jeb bush got us involved in the middle east, that viktor orban was president of turkey that hannibal lector is a "great american." he talks about sharks and magnets and flushing toilets and windmills. this is who he has always been. now that he's out of the shadows, now that we are in this campaigns will. we are getting a better glimpse of who

he's been. there's all this attention on him, and because the attention is not on joe biden. it is interesting that it was donald trump himself who basically groomed his supporters, groomed the media, into recognizing that a soon to be octogenarian, now biden has dropped off, now this is on him. this is in the zeitgeist thanks to trump himself. don't throw stones when you live in a glass house. and that house doesn't get more delicate and fragile than the one trump is living in right now. >> we saw vice president harris released her medical reports drawing contrast with trump. you don't need a medical report to see that contrast, but does the public have a right to see medical records to understand trump's fitness before the election? we are not going to get them, but we see this in front of our own eyes, and we have to believe what we are seeing. >> of course fully and freely.

recall in the 2016 race he surrounded himself with the doctor that provided whatever report trump wanted. and then he had ronnie jackson lie on his cognitive ability as well. i think the toxic mix is when you combine his clear mental decline with his ignorance on most issues of substance. and the vanities. that creates a dangerous chief executive, particularly on matters of national security. someone who will control the nuclear arsenal. someone who will have to deal with once again, foreign leaders. but, it also speaks to the fact that vice president harris points out that trump is a laughingstock among foreign leaders. largely in part because of what we've seen just here. another part about this, ayman, someone who is in that type of mental condition or decline is also someone, as we see, prone to grabbing onto conspiracy theories and elevating them to places outside truth, equating equity to lies.

that coming from a leader is what we've seen during this campaign, and we would see during his presidency. donald trump is dangerous. he's a dangerous leader, he would be a dangerous president for a lot of reasons. one is his own mental decline. >> it begs the question about whether or not the vice president should be going after his age and mental competency um-- you know, more aggressively in this final stretch. we know he's unfit for a lot of reasons, but on the specific issue should she be hammering the point home even more? >> i think it's totally fair game. there are major national security applications in terms of how the sky presents himself. if we listen to this, and this is the moment, this is him on his best behavior, imagine when he is not encumbered by the prospect of imminent election or by voters having their say on the matter. so of course it's a major national security risk to have him out there, and we can all

see this. we can hear him talking about the things he has spoken about. if anybody watching this right now could make sense of what trump is talking about with his eight biden circles more power to you. but, the vast majority of americans don't have that kind of um-- you know-- ability to glean whatever it was that whatever errant synapses is firing in his brain. it's going to be a mix at the same time. it's not just here is my donald trump is unfit. it is using her limited time to make an affirmative case for herself. i think she's been effective in terms of doing that as well. being able to split the baby so to speak, knowing when to talk about trump, but the strong economy that she's presided over, reproductive rights, and other issues important to americans right now. >> with the parties, i think this moment really says a lot about the republican party when joe biden's physical

performance at the debate and his mental performance became an issue the democratic party handled that issue like a normal political party would with people raising concerns with people asking questions with people approaching the candidate who demonstrated an incredible amount of selflessness and being able to step aside. the republican party does not have that mechanism. they do not have an ability to go to trump and say, sir, we can see that you are on the decline, would you consider stepping aside so we have a better shot at winning? >> because the public and party is full of weak leaders and weak politicians. consider this was very difficult for leading democrats to do with joe biden. we all lived it. it was a hard month that we all watched play out. and every buddy kind of took sides. those were hard moments for democratic leaders to have with their own president, but they did it and risk their own

clinical capital in doing so. republicans have caved to donald trump. he rebuilt it in his image. consider a universe in which republicans performed like the republican party was not hijacked by donald trump he walked through the front doors and they opened their arms to him and lifted him up. he is their guy, and that should be reflection on the entire party, not just trump himself. >> thank you both for starting off this hour. ta-nehisi coates is next. for my dupuytren' contr. two — i don't want to wait for my contracture to get worse. three — i want a treatment with minimal downtime. four — i want a nonsurgical treatment. and five... and if nonsurgical treatment isn't offered? i'll get a second opinion.

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latest book, the message, is a new collection of essays based on four of his trips including senegal south carolina israel and the occupied palestinian territories, but there's been more attention attention given to that letter parts of israel and the west bank. cbs this morning appearance was anything but standard morning talk. watch. >> i imagine if i took your name out of the car took away the awards and the acclaim, took the cover off the book publishing house goes away the content of that section would not be out of place in the backpack of an extremist. so i think the question is central and key, if israel has a right to exist and if your answer is no then i guess the question becomes, why do the palestinians have a right to-- 20 different muslim cut >> my answer is no country in this world establishes its ability to exist through rights they establish the right to force. >> this interview failed to

meet the network editorial standards but some critics have come out in defense of it calling the line of questioning just good journalism. even book reviews have taken a sharp turn, compact magazine published a review with the incendiary title why ta-nehisi coates hates israel. helen andrews writes in part "the problem with israel is that it shames him. how can it be that the jews carved their israel out of the desert, and yet no place in africa remotely resembles wakanda? overcame where and failed. is the reason coates hits israel so bitterly. to discuss all this and more, ta-nehisi coates, author of " the message." >> that was pretty racist. >> i wanted to start with that,

because i know that you are-- >> i'm sorry i haven't seen that. >> i know you are not seeing the reviews, i know you told me you were not going to read the reviews, but this one cut through for me, and i wanted to ask you about it, because of the fact in some ways it reinforces a lot of what you wrote in your book. um-- but, what is your reaction to that? >> she didn't read the book? it's about critique of nationalism at large. and it talks about liberia weirdly enough. that's what it is. i don't want to get into policing people. the thing that catches me is the carved part. because that's exactly what i was talking about. it is like people say this is not colonialism while speaking colonial language you know what i mean? this notion that you carved your self out of the desert as though once again there is no one there to say nothing about this idea of use of force. i'm

sorry i'm a little stunned. spent part of the reason i also chose that quote was because of the fact in your book, the message, you talk about zionism and part of the way zionism understood historic palestine to become of the letters they were writing about with the towns and cities that they were going to to colonize and to settle. you think of zionism as a form of colonialism, explain why you came to that conclusion in your book in your research? >> first thing i do and this is always my process, and read the documents from that time. the early forefathers of zionism identified themselves as part of the colonial movement. it's really using the words colonize. it's not just that. it is the mindset of colonialism . the father revisionist zionism very much the leader

the movement netanyahu is not considered. he talks about the native americans in america. that's his comparison for palestine. the notion that israel will be a kind of bulwark against savagery market for the civilization of the west this is not language that is unique to zionism and is unique to israel. the problem is in their time colonialism wasn't seen as a bad thing. it didn't have the taint it now has. they were proud to use the label of colonialism. but now that it's tainted we have people who somehow i want to say that words don't mean what they plainly mean. >> you also talk about the fact there is a true line between the three different trips you've gone to between senegal to south carolina and to israel and the occupied palestinian territories and it has a lot to

do with the power of words in the way we are being taught education in the way these places are covered. what was that through line about education that resonates for you for all three? >> really the through line is the f now nationalism. it starts in africa and trying to you know, find some real sort of connection or understand what the real connection is you know, between me and the people i find myself there with and grappling with and trying to do it in such a way that feels two-faced. in south carolina um-- it's obviously you are in a state whose foundation is now nationalism that we are familiar with with the confederacy and white americans in the chapter ends with me visiting the capital. and in israel, a state that is segregated not de facto that is now nationalism and it's very laws.

you have societies i've said several times before when is really jews exist on one tier and everybody else is something less. the notion that i would want to re-create that for black people is insane and contrary to everything the book has to say. that's the nightmare for me. that's what they fear to interrogate a system and instead of coming to understand a system and its evils you decided the real problem is that it's just being applied to you. >> speaking of that f now nationalism you are describing, the pushback would be and this is the argument that a lot of supporters of israel say is that put aside the west bank for a moment. inside israel you've had arab supreme court judges. you have arabs who serve in the israeli army. you have lawyers, doctors, engineers, and they use that and push back saying there is no escalation against the arab citizens or palestinian citizens of israel.

>> it's a lie. like in the most literal-- back there was a supreme court says- - >> yes the facts are not ally the notion of equality is pre- let me be clear about what i'm saying here. for instance you know if you are an israeli jewish person and fall in love with a jewish person in america or anybody else frankly you have the ability to make that person a citizen of israel. tel aviv and fall in love with someone in the west bank you will find it very hard i.e. impossible to have some sort of family with that person. if you want to move into certain communities within israel these communities have the right to discriminate. it says it right there on the base. in america we call that redlining, but it's legal in israel. redlining was not legislated and didn't have court decisions behind in the same way.

you can't say that because people have succeeded even though you you you you have a tiered system of citizenship& the system does not exist. in other words if i succeed in spite of segregation that does not mean there's no segregation you know? if you break my leg and i still managed to win the race you still broke my leg, you know? >> you definitely make similarities between the black struggle in america and the palestinian struggle. there are people who look at the black experience in america and say actually there is similarity between the black experience and zionism. there have been very prominent black supporters of the zionist movement historically. what you make of that critique and where do you see the relationship or solidarity between black americans and the palestinian struggle? >> i mean i think as a factual matter it's actually correct. and i think it's understandable. i think it is natural for a group of people under oppression to look to an example of another group of people who have suffered centuries of oppression at the hands of a west culminating

with the, the terror in the disaster and industrialized genocide of a holocaust and say wow that looks like on the basis of nationalism that these people made the selves strong, why can't we do the same? i think that's a natural impulse. but one of the messages is that the job of the writer is to look deeper, to look past that and say what's the essence of that? what does that mean? and for us for meat my hope is for my people that the message is not merely that slavery is wrong, because we are the slaves, but that it is an actual interrogation of symptoms and that it should not exist in the world. >> a similar question, do you share a sense of optimism that if vice president kamala harris wins that there will be a fundamental change as you have called for in the way america

approaches the israeli- palestinian issue, or will be more of the same? >> i don't have a sense of optimism. i don't know what's going to happen. but iii would not say i am optimistic. one of the things i am trying to get to. honestly i don't have this quite formulated yet but i would expect this is more than kamala. doesn't mean kamala is not responsible. but, you know, i think we need to look a little deeper and ask ourselves what are the forces that make you know what i mean? um-- that make this so hard and make this so difficult? so i hope she does the right thing. i think we need to push her to do the right thing. um-- but optimism is not a thing i necessarily have. >> ta-nehisi coates, thank you so much, congratulations on the book and continued success in your endeavors. take care. next up the film donald trump does not want you to see. i'm going to talk to the director. charles coleman jr.

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of this magnitude this quality. >> you want one? >> it looks totally disgusting. >> rule three no matter what happens you claim victory and never admit defeat. >> you have to be willing to do anything to anyone. >> cohen is the one who talked to trump about the dark arts of weaponizing the u.s. legal system against his enemies. the irony this film fell to the same tactics. after all the buzz trump sent a cease-and- desist, but that did not phase the director who told the hollywood reporter, bring it on. things have been checked journalistically and legally. after the break my conversation with the director of "the apprentice." apprentice." by j.p. morgan's

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joining us. you joined this project in 2018 when trump was still present. i think my first question to you is why did you want to make this movie in the first place? and did you anticipate that it would take this long, and be this bumpy of a road to actually get this movie made? >> well no, i have to say i have done some crazy the projects, but this sort of tops it all. between you know, the project collapsing after january 6th, the years it took to finance it finding the cast who has the courage and guts to go into it, and after the movie the distribution and everything it's been a tough project. i think it's worth it, because it is not only a donald trump movie. this is not just a

donald trump biopic. if you are looking for that you will be disappointed. this is a movie that looked into the american system, the legal system, the political system, to you know, sort of transformation of relationship between these two men, donald trump and roy cohen. someone who was born and raised in iran, i felt that i had an opportunity to bring a sort of outsider view to all these things to look at the sides. >> you said guts and courage. why did it take guts and courage to make a movie of this magnitude? why do you think it needed guts and courage to make it? >> well first of all you know mr. trump is a highly you know polarizing politicized character. in a certain sense people who know him or knew him and this whole subject of sort of when we were dealing with the

project my liberal friends were saying you are giving trump too much oxygen. obviously on the other side of the so-called conservatives people were like this is going to be a hit job and you are just trying to do another bashing trump bashing something. and here we are in the middle. and, the actors, someone like sebastian who already has a career and fan following in the u.s. and lives in the country, this is a person who it takes courage not only to deal with the challenges of dealing with a character, someone who is an icon and someone walking the tight rope of you know, in between sort of you know, saturday night live on one hand, and on the other hand being able to sort of conjure him. and dealing with the aftermath of all the crazies who accuse

him of this or that. this is no normal film project. there's a lot at stake. >> let me ask you at your background. you are coming to this with an outside perspective. you were born in iran to you live in denmark. do you think you are outside perspex is helped tell the story in a different way than what we are accustomed to seeing america? >> well look i think what happened with me not living in america not being part of this whole political debate is i have an easier time detaching from all this. easier time detaching from the hearty politics. in looking at donald trump and roy cohn , looking at these characters as human beings, i

think that was the allure of the project in the first place. i think it was easier for me to be able to do that and not feel i need to respond or be part of anything, and i look at it as a movie with dramatic characters. >> as you mentioned, roy cohn, often described as his surrogate father or mentor, what is your read on these two men and how much of cohn 's influence in trump? it's a relationship born decades ago. do you still feel roy cohn 's influence on trump? >> it's interesting could someone did a mashup of and were three rules from the movie, cohn's three rules of winning

as it's called in the movie. what mr. trump was doing in the last debate was with miss harris, and he still uses those rules like attack, attack, attack. going on the offensive, sort of doing this doing that, you do this, you do that. and admit nothing deny everything. and whatever, however things turn out always claim victory. those things to this day anyone who follows mr. trump off his political career can see that he uses it very much. so i think that relationship even if it started back in the 70s when mr. trump was young and 20-something that's valuable still to this day. i think the core of the lesson that we got from roy cohn is in order to get to your political

goals you manufacture your own reality. >> let me ask you quickly, donald trump himself has publicly called this film garbage and pure fiction perhaps not a surprise. what you have to say to this and he has threatened the movie with cease and desist letters, but i want to give you a chance to respond to how he and those in his orbit have responded. >> i think it comes from him not having seen the movie. this is a person like again being ridiculed like being vilified and idolized and everything, and i think even him when he sees the movie he will see we don't have a sort of political agenda. he wants to see him as a human being. roger stone tweeted and said how much he liked the portrait of cohn in the movie and it was accurate.

so actually i think there will be a lot of maga so have called maga who when they see the movie i think they will find it exciting and entertaining. i don't know if they will love it, but that's not my job either. >> ali abbasi, congratulations on a powerful movie, and thank you for joining us tonight. a new hour of ayman starts after a quick break.

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