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trump and his party are masters of projection, doubling down on the old strategy of i am rubber and you are glue. plus he is teaming up with comedians and pod casters for a specific reason. and who better to ask advice from than stephen miller. i am ayman. let's do it. for trump and his party, the strategy in the final stretch to the election is about one thing and one thing only. projection. the gop reaction to hurricanes helene and milton as kamala harris meets with victims tonight in north carolina. maga has spent the week spreading lies about her and her response to the storm.

calling it the worst response to a catastrophe that we have ever seen and the house has called it heartbreaking to see the government fail as they have. that is rich coming from speaker johnson. in that same interview he refused to commit to calling the house back to session to pass hurricane relief funding saying we will be back in session immediately after the election. speaker johnson is sending his thoughts and prayers to storm victims. just one month ago trump was demanding a government shutdown that would have made passing such relief impossible. projection, also the issue of political violence. it they want you to believe that the democrats are involved in that. >> i probably took a bullet to the head because of the things that they say about me. >> this has got to stop. >> the left has got to tone

down the rhetoric and cut this crap out. somebody is going to get hurt. >> again, complete projection. we know who has been engaging in violent rhetoric. here are two of trump's biggest supporters having a laugh over something unspeakable. >> nobody is even trying to kill kamala harris. no one has tried to kill joe biden. doesn't seem disturbing nobody has even bothered to try? >> no one has even bothered to try. he should have checked google before saying that because both joe biden and harris have received multiple death threats in the last year then there is free speech. republicans want you to think they are free speech warriors. >> i will bring back free speech because it has been taken away. >> donald trump it is the candidate of the first amendment.

>> the other side wants to take away freedom of speech. you must have free speech to have democracy. and that is why it is the first amendment. >> the first amendment is important. but, is it important to donald trump? he spent the past week demanding that cbs be punished over the interview between cbs and kamala harris. >> i think they have to take their license away. >> 60 minutes should be taken off the air. they should lose their license. >> the so-called free speech president has made similar threats to other networks over interviews he did not like in this week he threatened the new york times telling a commentator, "wait until you see what i am going to do with them."

do you see a trend? everything that trump accuses the democrats of doing ends up being a cynical projection of themselves from defending democracy to free speech and reproductive rights and free and fair elections. we have maria teresa kumar here. charles coleman junior and former prosecutor and host of the charles coleman podcast and hayes brown, nbc daily writer. this very apparent strategy of projection, it seems they don't have anything better to do than what we just outlined in those examples. project onto the vice president what they have been doing themselves. >> well, ayman, what is fun about trump is he is culpable of what he is condemning the other person to do. there is something rich about elon musk saying that the government is trying to censor everyone. that the only person that does

that is elon musk himself. we talk about we are not getting enough of funds down to florida and north and south carolina but trump would hold hostage blue states because he identified them as not being friendly to him. trump did not intend and does not intend to be the president for all americans. just the folks he thinks that voted for him. contrast that with president biden. he has been not only incredible in north carolina but officials have fought back against trump saying not only -- but they are responsive and we are seeing them every day. i think the challenge for the president and the vice president is that we are increasingly receiving information in silos. while you have even republicans down on the ground saying that the government is doing everything right you have a group of folks that are

completely consuming these really extreme rooms of supervision. that will never penetrate. not just democratically but for the election moving forward. >> it is such an important point that maria teresa brings up about the information silos. you have, as we just played there, we have trump talking about the hurricane response and mike johnson saying they are not going to come back in session and they will not get emergency funding for the states. the vice president is out meeting with the community and seeing with the community needs. he is in touch with the governor's including roy cooper and that does not stop the republicans from lying about the response and it seems like they have forgotten about hurricane katrina that happened under george w. bush. >> i think they have not and i think that is why they are

approaching it the way they are. i think it is the political utility and what that will do to them at the ballot box. when you look at north carolina right now, they understand that disaffection with fema and government response can breed resentment and grievance that will translate to both of them if they can keep that information silos going and that is something they are focused on. it is intentional and there is a direct line between what we saw happen in new orleans and what is happening right now in north carolina. >> mike johnson says he is not going to come back to pass emergency relief but at the same time saying this is the most tragic response are the worst response he has ever seen. >> there are a couple of things that are really galling about that. one of the reason he does not want to bring back congress to

deal with emergency disaster relief is he knows there are enough people on his side that will make it difficult. enough of the maga right that will make it hard. what programs are people not going to get because of this disaster? we have supported by saying we don't want extra funding for the -- or fossil fuels. we are making things worse for people but we want to take things away if we want to help clean up the mess that we have made. mike johnson knows this would be too much of a political fight and too messy and that is on him and his caucus. that is on them and to the point that charles made about katrina, for decades, the republicans have been looking for something like katrina. how many hurricanes were labeled the obama katrina. they are still hoping to take one of

their biggest failures and say, as with all things, actually, it is your fault. this is them saying, they are saying that we did not do this and even though we all see it. >> maria teresa, let's talk about this exchange between elon musk and tucker carlson about why no one has tried to target vice president harris or joe biden. it is just ignorant for a tech pro that supposedly knows how to use the internet. it is hypocrisy, shameful, and disgusting from these pillars of the maga movement. >> it is dangerous as well., one of the things that we learned from trump is he likes to use his platform to tell people what he would like them to do and to folks that he

feels are deserving and every time i hear something about political violence coming out of the far right i am reminded of what happened at the tree of life synagogue and i remember the radicalization of someone that jumped into a car and drove 10 hours to massacre 23 american latinos because trump called them vermin and invasive. this was put into a creed and he said that he was inspired by the words of donald trump and that is not too far-fetched with what tucker carlson is doing. it they are encouraging folks that are listening and telling them what to do next. one of the things we should recognize is free speech should not include inciting viral violence. this is something that should be investigated and addressed. >> baking of free speech i

remember when donald trump ran in 2016. sometimes people forget that his rhetoric, he follows through on his hateful rhetoric yet here we are with rhetoric around free speech talking about revoking licenses of major media organizations he does not like. wait until you see what i will do to the new york times and jailing reporters. i would argue he should be taken literally when it comes to these types of threats and not casually. >> mexico still has to pay for that wall but, beyond that, what we are talking about when it comes to donald trump and the notion of free speech is free speech @ la carte. it works for me when it works for me and wind it does not, i don't like it. we are looking at the conversation around the election and it is a very selective degree of hypocrisy that does not matter and it is

not landing or breaking through with voters. if you are trying to find a line of consistency in terms of reasoning that donald trump applies, it is not there and you are not going to see it so the hypocrisy is at an all-time high but voters do not seem to care because the @ la carte selections that he is making appeal to them in a way that they can resonate with and defend regardless of if there is logic. >> on a lighter note i want to show you this email that was released accusing tim walz of staging a pheasant hunting photo . >> tim walz, i get why they are trying to undercut the folksy charm of tim walz and it feels

more authentic from him then anyone else. i think that they are just desperate to try to undermine anything that would make him seem relatable to the same people they are going for. those that are excited for pheasant hunting season to begin. people that understand gun safety and maybe don't take pictures with guns for your christmas card. that might be the kind of crowd that tim walz is going for. >> don't go anywhere. up next, how trump is going all out to win young male voters. . introducing the second chance offer from betmgm. what'd he say? if you bet on a player to score the first touchdown

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i think sometimes what we love about you as a comedian is to shoot from the hip but that gets twisted into rhetoric that throws gasoline on everything.

the one thing i would like is a moderate person, would you be more mindful of how powerful the awards are for everyone else? >> i will. and i will think of you every time. >> on the wednesday edition of the flagrant podcast, he was surrounded by guys that asked him softball questions and stroked his ego. it was a safe space for him but there is an reason he sat with them for an hour. he has a nine percentage point problem according to a september 10 poll. they are calculating they can win the white house by -- with a vibe not seen in presidential campaigns before. the goal is to use this aggressive vibe to go first after young men like the guys in that podcast and their audience. they are chasing the vote by

chasing his image. take four -- for example, the leaders of the full sun podcast. they are mounting a voter registration push and they will sign voters at a music festival later this month featuring a rapper. the podcast appears to be working. according to a harvard youth poll, 35% of men between 18 and 24 years old support donald trump. an improvement from the same survey in 2020 but it is not just the bro vote . he is also courting latino and hispanic men. by offering free haircuts and

roundtables. it was found that 18% of black men viewed trump favorably which, if it holds, would be a sharp uptick from his support in 2020. it they find that hispanic men are more likely than hispanic women to say that trump would make a good president. the harris campaign might have an advantage with women but when you add all of this up you might be left asking, do democrats have a man problem on their hands? reporting this week suggest they might. one strategist says, "i don't think people understand what a big problem we have on our hands with men. men in general. will quote the harris campaign kick things up a notch and pulled out all of the steps. here is former president barack obama on thursday. >> i have noticed this especially with some men who seem to think that trump behavior of bullying and

putting people down is a sign of strength. real strength is about working hard. carrying a heavy load without complaining. real strength is about taking responsibility for your actions and telling the truth even when it is convenient. real strength is about helping people who need it and standing up for those who cannot stand up for themselves. >> harris's running mate launched a media blitz targeting the same demographic that trump seems to be winning over. a friday night pep talk at the school where he used to coach and pheasant hunting with people of minnesota but will this be enough to close the gap. my panel is back after a quick break to discuss. for effortless protection.

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between vice president harris and former president trump. my panel is back to pass it out. let's start with president obama. i want to play the soundbite because he had a particularly strong message for black men. he campaigned for the vice president in pittsburgh, pennsylvania. watch this and then we will get your thoughts. >> even supporting somebody who has a history of denigrating you? because you think that is a sign of strength? because that is what being a man is with women now? >> what are your thoughts on but the fact that former president obama leaned in on that specific subject of young

black men or blechman voting for the vice president? more importantly, the way that donald trump has appealed to black voters in a way that is both denigrating them and, at the same time, basically just play into stereotypes? >> like most of his outreach and rhetoric toward young black men is i have also been arrested like most of you. that is basically the message he's putting out there. >> or selling sneakers to them. >> i think former president obama, i can see how this would be personal to him. when you think about the coalition that turned out for him in 2008, thinking that if vice president harris loses, there is a chance that it is in part because not enough of the same kind of young black men, who would have come out to vote for him in 2000 it would not do so in 2024 for kamala harris. trying to prevent that, i can see why he would want to lean into that and want to push that

idea of you guys, you really cannot. i can see by the harris campaign is worried about this. i can see why they are concerned about trump eating into that support. all types as well into trump's a strategy of trying to draw out disaffected voters, people who are low propensity voters, which is sort of a high risk, maybe high reward sort of proposition, because these are people who are upset with the system, yes, but will they turn out to vote? that is a huge question. the fact that they are leaning into these groups and say hey, if you guys come out this time, you will get me? that is the price you get, you get to make it so that this woman doesn't get to be president, and to show that you are strong by voting for me, who thinks you are weak but you can be strong through me. it is a very muddled message. very up in the air kind of strategy. >> maria, the "the new york times" points out trump is seeking to win over black and

latino voters by pitting them against a document it immigrants. trump falsely claims that immigrants are taking "black jobs." how do democrats countertop and overcome the sexism and the racism we know exists in our politics? >> the vice presidency is a black job. in all fairness, we have done extensive polling on the latino vote and the like vote, trying to figure out exactly where does everything fall? the number one reason folks are thinking of sitting it out or possibly even thinking about voting for trump has less to do with the sexism and everything to do with the economy. i will give you an example. we did a focus group back in april with a group of young people in arizona. there was a young man who was a claim carrier, 22 years old in phoenix, arizona and said look,

i can barely make my rent. i have to juggle between paying my rent and whether or not i can afford one or two meals a day. those are real stories of young people between the ages of 18 and 29. the kamala harris campaign has to start talking specifically about economic issues. we all knew exactly where she stands on abortion. that is why she has the hearts and minds of young women. she now needs to start talking about how she's building public housing. if you are looking for your first home, you will get a $25,000 he was sent credit. if you are going to have your first child, you will have $6000 residence in your pocket. those are the issues young men are looking for. what trump has done effectively, saying the system does not care for you. or, come vote for me. remember the checks i gave you. both are likely false because we have been able to show material results for folks who are college educated where the got student loan forgiveness but that stuff has not trickled

down to low propensity voters. when people say low propensity voters don't vote, you have to remind folks the majority of young people right now who voted for the first time or the second time, they are considered low propensity voters and you want them to get engaged if you want them to vote in places like arizona into georgia because it was the young vote that flipped it for the democrats. what they need is an appeal and an economic message, which the biden and harris administration has delivered on but it will take a few years for them to feel it. the vice president needs to focus on what are you going to do now economically that folks can feel immediately in the next four years? >> charles, you have written a piece in the new york times, where you talk about how before the election got underway, democrats had missed the mark with young black voters. you write "lachman's reconsideration of the democratic party is the worst kept secret of the progressive left." explained that. >> am glad you brought that piece of the piece up. but is very important to decouple in this conversation

is vice president kamala harris from the democratic party. the reason i say that is vice president harris got to the top of the ticket this summer. these are issues that have existed for decades that democrats have not dealt with effectively. that is how we got here. a lot of times, the attacks that are being launched and the criticisms and interrogation that is taking place, with respect to the campaign, is really a larger interrogation of democrats failures to this point. i mean by that, for example, is you can have all the conversation that you want about student loan forgiveness, for example, but if i didn't go to college, that does not resonate with me. if you look at the numbers of african-american men enrolling in college right now, it is on the decline. democrats have a very important trait right now where they are. you wanted to be effective or do you want to be right? you don't want to necessarily lose this election because you are so principled that you don't know how to talk to door voting base to get them motivated and get them out. i don't necessarily know the

comments as much perspective and admiration as i have for president obama with the right time and right message to the right audience. you are going to get more voters to the booth with honey than you are with vinegar or brute force, if you will. those people who do not feel scene, telling them that the things that they are complaining about our excuses does not age your case at all. for me, with this critical stretch of the election in less than 30 days, democrats have to make that critical choice. it is not a kamala harris problem. it is a democratic party problem because it exists before her and will exist after her regardless of the outcome. >> politico points out the harris campaigns message to black voters is basically "we need you." the erosion we have been talking but is decades long. "the new york times" calls it "driven by the belief that democrats have not delivered on promises, as charles was just starting. how does harris overcome the perception that the democratic party has not delivered in a way that it should have? >> that is a tough thing to

enter considering. this has been something that has been going on for decades. the idea that we are expecting her to come up with a new messaging strategy that says look at all that we have delivered and all that we are going to deliver within the next couple of weeks that is a very big ask. i want to point out one thing really quickly. as we are in the final couple of days and weeks before the election, we are at a true second guessing season. we are at a point where there is still enough time to turn the ship. if there was the one thing that was the problem. we are losing men and that is the issue we are dealing with. because of how fragmented things are, how close they are, the harris campaign is looking for every vote that they can, especially in the key swing states. they have the issue where they are trying to go after multiple sections of the electorate at the same time, with a dwindling number of days and the number of voices, including our own, trying to tell them what is the one thing they need to do.

i don't blame them if they are unable between now and then to come up with a way to say to people we have delivered on all of these things, why are you not with us? they should be trying, they should be second look at all the things we have done, here are the problems that will continue if we are not put into office. actually reaching those voters who are feeling disaffected will be a struggle for them to get out of there and give that message. >> i should note that while we were on the air and having this conversation, donald trump has taken the stage at that rally in coachella, where he is speaking, 5:35 p.m. west coast time. we will let you know if there is anything that comes out of it that is newsworthy. we will squeeze in a quick break and talk about this a little more. worst of the week is next. nex.

it is time for rest of the week. we are staying on theme with this one. as the campaigns battle it out for men and their votes, the right is obsessing over what kind of man should be voting for their candidate. as you are about to see, it is getting odd and creepy. >> we are getting a lot of text from women about miller and his appearances and his appearance. our audience at primetime believe you are some sort of sexual matador. what do you have to say for yourself? >> i am married now, i have children. i was single, i was in the market. if you are a young man, it's very important, who is looking to impress ladies, to be the

alpha, to be attractive, the best thing you can do is to wear your trump support on your sleeve, so that you are a real man, show that you are not a beta. be a proud and allowed trump supporters and your dating life will be fantastic. >> sorry. sorry, i apologize. i just had to throw up after i heard that. the message here is be an alpha male like stephen miller. that guy you just saw they are. the gop obsession with distinguishing itself from so- called beta males has made it's all the way to the top. donald trump went on his failed knockoff twitter and went after radio host howard stern after he interviewed vice president, harris, calling stern a "beta male," in all caps. my panel is back with me. you have the floor, feel free to take it away. please tell us what women

really think when they see a clip like this. >> i think you stole the show for all of us. first of all, we could all level with each other, the idea that howard stern is considered a beta male, that is a laugh out loud. how many times did trump go on howard stern to build up his own profile? he wanted to be the howard stern, the sexual dude. what is really dangerous here is this idea that you start mixing politics with ideology and gender and it is that underlying misogyny that has carried the republican party to a place where they have no return. this idea all of a sudden that women are seeking alpha males, we will put that for a second, but the policy template is taking away human rights, taking away a woman's agency over her body because what a meal is perceived, she should or shouldn't control. that is the biggest turn off.

and who are watching, you guys all know better. you know the best kind of woman is the one who can go toe to toe with you, when she likes you. >> i put up a picture of stephen miller and started cracking up right away. i'm sorry. i was not laughing at you. the director but to that end, putting him up with his hands up in the air. this guy cannot be that trump alpha male guy. what is the obsession they have with being alpha? i don't get it. >> i wanted the picture to stay up. is this the guy? >> not that one, the other one. >> i need a moment to think, is this the guy, is this the sexual matador that jesse watters is talking about? here's the deal and this is very important to understand, all jokes aside. the gop wants to restrict the notion into the idea of manhood to a limited archetype that

leaves out a number of people, which is consistent with its under white nationalism to other as many others as they can. this appeals to a base of white grievers, it speaks to them because, for a long time, they feel like the changes and evolution in american society has made them wrong. this has sparked an interest in them in terms of being able to. they can be proud of that. this is a big problem, however. it is illuminated with respect to the identity politics we have been seeing with respect to this election. why? manhood is an institution that has tentacles in all aspects of our regular lives. think about family. you are thinking about vice president kamala harris, who is into a criticism because she has not been a natural birth mother to the two children that the second sentiment has. think about tim walz and the

amount of criticism he endured for having a child through ivf. think about how this conversation about manhood and allowing the gop to selectively choose what and what does not fit can alienate people who are gay, queer , trans, identify in a different way. it is very intentional and deeply problematic with respect to the entirety of the collection, how we are talking about family issues, not just gender issues and manhood itself. >> what do you make about this debate? charles has talked about it so brilliantly, so has maria teresa. there is this subtle subversive message to it. >> i am furious with you for making us here stephen miller quote from fox news. i will never forgive you. second, i think it is fascinating and depressing that all of this is talking about bad science. the idea of an alpha male in a pac is bad science. it has been debunked. the idea that wolf packs go

around with one topped out and be a beta who clings to him, that is just wrong. a scientist was projecting his own view of masculinity and idea of what societies should be on to animals and deciding this is how the world has. the fact that republicans and conservatives and trump have kept on this after so many years of it being proven wrong is really just about them saying this is how the world is, this is how the world should work. it is the same with his obsession about genetics and race, the idea that in this worldview, there are people who should be on top and we know who those people are, wink, and there are people who are naturally subservient to them. in this worldview, that is women, that is people who are not white, and they are latched onto that and unwilling to let go. >> everyone stay with me. we have a bonus round of worst of the week, coming up after a quick break. quick break. control. chase. make more of what's yours.

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that is what they are doing. it is the greatest theft and history of the world. china rated our factories, ops would our jobs, gutted our industries. >> our worst of the week bonus round goes to that guy, donald trump. you would think by now he wouldn't want anything to do with the country he says is responsible for the downfall of american manufacturing. the member those weird god bless the usa bibles that trump was selling to his fans? that's what, made in china. according to the associated press, 120,000 bibles were printed in the eastern city of hangzou. trump got a boost of $300,000 in royalties according to his august financial disclosure. the grifter really does continue. we are also learning thousands of these bibles will likely be bought up by oklahoma schools, lining the pockets of not only

trump but also the chinese manufacturers he says he hates so much. my panel is back with me. charles, this is a double whammy. it is not just the irony of them being printed in china, it is also the fact that, you know, evangelicals in this country are being duped by this grifter, whom we are not even going to get into his favorite bible verse or which old or new testament he likes. you had a christian group rallying in d.c. calling on america to get back to god. it is just like all over the place with this man. >> i reject the notion that they are being duped. at this point, how do you not know? they do know, they are very well aware. at the beginning of the hour and the consistency does not matter. hypocrisy does not matter. when you see this, you put it in front of the christian nationalists, the so-called evangelicals, they will reject it or find a way to do so based on a red herring that has nothing to do with the fact

that donald trump's actions continue to be out of step with his words. >> let me play you this tim walz, what he had to say and then i will get your thoughts. >> send out his trump branded bibles. they are printed in china. this dude even outsourced god to china. just so we know. again, i'm going to try to be generous here. i don't blame him, he didn't notice the made in china sticker, because they put it inside, a place he has never looked in the bible. >> i would not want to go toe to toe with tim walz. he can hold his own when it comes to that. what you make of this debacle that trump, again, hocking bibles made in china? >> to piggyback off of governor walz, i can only assume the made in china stickers were

based next to the bible verse that says "i say unto you it is easier for a camel to pass to the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to get into heaven. that is my only guess." >> maria teresa, what do you think of this ? is trump less familiar with the constitution or the bible? >> all i can think of when i see that, well, i think both. i think, but, he has no regard for the constitution. the fact that the constitution is placed inside his fake bible demonstrates he doesn't believe in separation of church and state and, at the end of the day, he is grafting on the american public and to the point that the folks want to be fleeced, they do. they by his digital cards, they bought his sneakers, they bought his university, they bought his mistakes, all of them to enrich himself. as we are going into this election, recognizing that not only is he a grifter, he also doesn't want to play within democratic norms. he doesn't believe there should

be a separation of church and state, if it benefits him. that goes down the line. you started your show talking about how he is okay with condemning individual reporters who speaks with because they are doing their job. that is more of the same. as long as we are very clear that everything that trump has promised, he has already done in his first presidency and intends to do it on steroids, that is what is at stake in this election. there is no regard for the constitution or our institutions and he is clearly very dangerous and we have to make sure we keep that in mind. we can joke about what he does but we be very clear his intentions have been printed in project 2025 and he intends to pursue them. >> i want to come back, charles, to a feeling of picked up on through the show, which is the information silo. i kind of like that because it encapsulates a lot of the issues we are talking about, whether it is a strategy in a campaign or whether it is selling bibles that are made in china and the craft that goes with it. do you feel that there is a way to break through that? do you think that information

silo is with us now forever, regardless of who the candidate on the republican side will be questioned >> unfortunately, i think the cat is out of the bag. that train has left the station. not to use a third clichi. but, either you are going to get on board with figuring out how to navigate that, with some degree of ethics, or you are going to get on board with trying to close it. i don't think closing it is an option. it is not something that i definitively know how people are going to break through, other than to break down. what i mean by that is to not necessarily lie on trying to reach large targets but finding out where there are smaller pockets, podcast audiences as opposed to going to huge social media platforms where you try to reach millions, tens of millions, you can start by reaching hundreds of thousands. >> i was going to say, i think we need media literacy in this country. we need people to start waking up and realizing the media they are consuming across the board, specifically on the far right

and the right, is just silent. if they don't break out of it, they are not going to see a lot of this truth. i am going to get off my soapbox for a moment. hayes brown, maria teresa, charles coleman, thank you for joining us and making time for us. make sure to come back tomorrow night. the lebanese ambassador to the united kingdom is going to join us to talk about israel's escalating strikes and ground invasion in lebanon and the gaza like situation unfolding in his country. right after a short break, msnbc films presents "my generation" an in-depth look at four distinct generations. i'm ayman mohyeldin in new york, have a great night. nigh which is why downy does more to make clothes softer, fresher, and better. downy. breathe life into your laundry.

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