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missed this weekend. >> a new book by bob woodward maintains that donald trump has maintained a relationship with vladimir putin since leaving office. it cites an unnamed trump aide claiming trump and putin have spoken as many as seven times since trump left the white house in 2021. it alleges as the conversations were happening with trump and putin, trump was also pressuring republicans in congress to block military aid to ukraine to defend itself against russia's invasion. additionally the book reveals that back in 2020 trump secretly sent putin covid tests for his personal use at a time when many americans couldn't get them. woodward the renown journalist who uncovered watergate says

trump was worse than richard nixon. it goes on sale on tuesday. a spokesperson says none of the madeup stories are true and the work of a truly demented and deranged -- interesting use of man. who suffers from a debilitating case of donald trump -- >> that's interesting because donald trump hasaid can you record me on my tape recorder admitting i'm going to lie about covid? >> yeah. >> why get him all freaked out? >> literally what he cold bob woodward. you can watch trump yourself if you have friends who go to rallies or are trump supporters. urge them to really listen to what he says. these things add up, and richard hoss, this is distorting, turning around our

foreign policy, making friends with an adversary and sending him secret covid tests. >> forget the covid tests, talking while a former president is pushing republicans to not provide aid to a country that vladimir putin and russia invaded. you talk about nothing mattering anymore, you know, no republicans will speak out about this. nothing matters to them. there are no boundaries, not even the safety of the united states or its allies. >> it's also at a time when the president said that -- or the former president said that putin could do quote, end quote, whatever the hell he wants invading a country. >> calling putin brilliant after the invasion. >> doesn't take place in a vacuum. takes place over four years with a permissive relationship with russia. when former presidents or

former secretaries of state go about meeting with foreign leaders, that is not unheard of. what is unheard of, it will be done without full coordination of the government of the day. you would tell the white house or call the secretary of state, i'm going here or going there, and i'm going to talk to this person. would you please brief me on things. is there anything you want to particularly say or not say? after the call, you give a full read-out. the idea that you have half a dozen calls with the former president of the united states and the man who is leading a country that is aggressively fighting a war, which the united states is on the other side of -- >> by the way, the same man that jonathan lamere asked, do you trust vladimir putin, man who considers america its enemy your own intel services more? and he said vladimir putin. i mean, the man who there's so many questions about russia,

and donald trump, and it's all dismissed as quote, russia hoax. >> it perpetuates what's been a fundamental question of american politics for ten years, what is this about? what t possibly motivates this kind of support of, tolerant fan-boy approach between a former president of the united states and vladimir putin? it continues to reinforce there's something. >> it didn't happen in a vacuum. it was years of a pattern of flattery of vladimir putin saying if i'm elected, i will will have a deal to end the war in 24 hours. that's a deal that would benefit vladimir putin. j.d. vance dismissive yesterday when asked about bob woodward's reporting. >> i didn't know bob woodward was still alive until you asked me that question. what little i know about bob woodward, he is i'm going to use a word here, he is a hack. the guy is a hack.

so have i talked to donald trump about his calls with vladimir putin? no. i have never had that conversation with donald trump in my life. even if it's true, is there something wrong with speaking to world leaders? no. is there anything wrong with engaging in diplomacy? >> yeah. >> um, your own personal diplomacy. >> we have something called the logan act. individual private leamericans are not allowed to carry out their own foreign policies. >> again, you look at j.d. vance here. >> wow. >> you just ask what happened to this guy? a d guy who, of course -- again everything they say, just dishonest. he knows bob woodward is alive. you know, had a lot of the concerns that bob woodward had. mia yesterday sent out an 8- year-old tweet by j.d.

vance, and it is still shocking how on he was eight years ago about the dangers that donald trump presented. and also said that god expects better from us than to support donald trump. now, he is doing this. power -- i can tell you, you know, many failings, but you ask anybody who has served for me, or served with me in congress, not one of them will ever say that joe, he would always measure his words because he wanted to make friends with leadership. that's not how you get things done in washington. >> eight years ago. eighth anniversary of this tweet. j.d. vance. trump makes people i care about afraid. immigrants, muslims, et cetera, because of this i find him reprehensible. god wants better of us. >> wow. >> j.d. vance wrote that?

>> yeah. >> eight years ago yesterday. >> carl rskeaton retweeting it. >> it's been -- for people who have followed and known j.d. vance a long time, this evolution if we want to call it, the change over time has been stunning, but it's not a surprise. he knows the way to donald trump's heart is outright flattery, every moment of every day, echo the lies, amplify the lies, and say , what your boss wants to hear and get what you want. he knows he's the heir he believes now to the maga crown. if donald trump loses this time around, he's still there, and perhaps as trying to present in the debate, a version of donald trump going forward. >> this is where donald trump

says john kerry should be prosecuted for talking to leaders of iran. >> what i would like to see with iran, i would like to see them call me. john kerry speaks to them a lot. john kerry tells them not to call. that's a violation of the logan act, and frankly he should be prosecuted on that, but my people don't want to do anything. only the democrats do that kind of tsstuff, you know? if it was the opposite way they would prosecute him under the logan act, but john kerry violated the utlogan act. he's talking to iran and has been. has many meetings and many an phone calls, and he's telling them what to do. that's tha total violation of t logan act. >> wow, 2019, speaking by the way -- >> apparently -- >> understanding the law. >> quoting the logan act, which richard just reminded us of. we have lots more to get to this hour. morning joe: weekend continues after a short break. o eeke nd cs after a short break. peaking to self) our honeymoon. what about africa?

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welcome back to "morning joe: weekend." let's pick back up on the conversation we were just having before the break. >> let's bring the columnist david rothkopf. >> it's a pattern of behavior. we have seen as richard said for many years now, it's affected the way he has governed the country. it's not just he's saying nice things, he said he wanted to pull troops out of nato and as recently as the debate, he would not say he wanted ukraine to win the debate. here he was in mar-a-lago,

surrounded by stolen national secrets, on the phone, to vladimir putin, shortly after trump had tried to commit a coup, i think we sometimes devalue what happened that day. he said i don't care about the voters. i don't care about the will of the people. i don't care about where power resides in our society. i'm going to steal it and hold on to the presidency. subsequent to that, he started resuming a relationship with putin that today has putin having his intelligence service pumping disinformation in to the debate about the campaign, trying to get trump to win, so that putin can win in ukraine. it's an incredible threat to our national security, and then to compound all of that, of course, we have the story of trump when americans were dying, and 1 million americans

died from covid under trump saying they can't, -- those americans can't get covid tests, but i'm going to send a little care package to my pal vlad because he needs it. even putin had the sense to say back to trump, don't tell anybody about this. they are going to react badly. >> right. >> yeah, and you know, i want to underline something david said, after the coup attempt, he is calling vladimir putin regularly while he is sitting on a pile -- >> yes. >> uh-uh. >> -- of illegally taken -- >> classified. >> -- highly classified documents. why did he want them? why would he seize all of the documents and improperly take them down to mar-a-lago? we don't know.

by the way woodward's report said trump would tell people they would have to get out of the room. he's sitting in mar-a-lago with illegally seized documents and having calls with putin. >> trump dismissed the aide and said i have to talk to putin now, but the case was dismissed by a judge appointed by a judge in florida. david, good point there. you started to talk about this, and let's expand further. this is not just a violation of the logan act or donald trump continuing to be subservient, it's a sneak preview of what trump's foreign policy would be like if he takes office again in november. talk about not just for ukraine, but beyond. >> trump doesn't care about what the people want. trump cares about trump. he is also not trustworthy. i think one of the things we

need to take away from this, how are our allies going to react? how are allies going to react when they know during his presidency trump passed sensitive secrets, and in one case garnered from the israelis over to the russians? now they know he has a private back channel to putin, advancing putin's agenda. are they going to trust us with intelligence? >> they are not. >> david, david, the question answers itself, and i'm glad you brought that up because do you think the israelis would ever trust donald trump again? he passes on sensitive intel, garnered from the israelis to the russians in one of his first white house meetings, and here, he seizes documents from the white house, from all of our closest allies, takes them to mar-a-lago with private one- on-one calls with putin. people can say it's trump

derange syndrome, it's not, it's not a russian hoax. it's just one more chapter in donald trump's behavior towards vladimir putin that undermine's america's -- really america's integrity across the globe. intel sharing across countries is going to be severely challenged. >> yeah, and i mean, one of the things we saw, and it's hard, there's so much stuff to remember back, but how did all of the trump russia cases or the george papadopoulos case start? it started because of the australians saw the interaction and were worried about it. when i was in europe the last time, that's what i was hearing. you can't do this again. the threat is too great. it's like, you know, we have been talking about the hurricane. it's like we are getting a weather report, there is a

super storm called trump bearing down on national security, are we going to take the steps to prepare for that or let it flood over us again? time is running out. >> all right, the daily beast, david, thank you for your insights. we appreciate it. >> richard, talking on the consequences of this, sitting on documents seized from the white house, highly classified documents, and he's lobbying republicans to vote against aid for ukraine, and carrying on personal relationship with vladimir putin. >> it's all of that, and there's the antial lose bias of his foreign policy that he often values relationships with authoritarian friends over democratic allies. what's at stake in this election, let's be honest if

the contours of the foreign policy, whether that's going to be largely continued or disruptive, and quite honestly, if donald trump wins, not just about europe, what he said about taiwan, taiwan is on its own if they are moving so much closer to china, what are we doing looking out for taiwan, and the things we take for granted home and abroad are up for grabs. normally, joe, elections, to use the football analsy if i may, normally elections take place between the 40-yard lines, and question, there's consequences if one of the candidates wins, but the consequences are muted. what makes it so different from virtually any other election in the post world war ii period other than when donald trump ran and one, the consequences of the outcome are fundamental. it's between the 40-yard line and the other end zone. no one should underestimate what is at stake here.

>> eddie? >> i have been thinking as we have been talking, does it all matter? the revelation, the story, a big story, will it move the needle in any way? does it help us? will it move or have any impact? >> did the january 6th riots ultimately matter to republicans? >> they don't. >> look at the numbers. does anything matter that he does to republicans? i mean, once again why? what is it about being a republican today that gives donald trump a free pass to do anything he wants? like again, i have been talking a lot about conservative icons this past week for a reason. there has to be some conservatives out there that understand donald trump is not

only a threat to this country, not only a threat to the republican party, but a threat to everything conservatives have believed, supported their entire lives. charles grouthammer, and his column, talking about, man of the century, winston churchill. he said churchill basically saved the 20th century from itself and defined what america was about. and as charles was moving towards passing away, he was writing columns talking about how we won. like, churchill helped define the world that we live in now, the world where totalitarianism

is dead. democracy defeated totalitarianism that started in england in 1940. that's the world that we live in. as i read that earlier this week, i thought, and now we have a republican whose heroes are kim jong-un, xi jinping, vladimir putin, and every other dictator, and as richard said about donald trump and basically his rivals, his enemies, basically those in the west elected in democratic elections. should it matter? >> times such as these, those of us who may not be enthused by charles, but are berkians in certain ways and will read edmond berk finding resources in the conservative tradition. what i worry about, there's millions of americans who with

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>> wait. let's agree. what you signed is -- there's not a single limit through nine months of pregnancy. roe had limits to the pregnancy. the minnesota law does not have that. >> this puts the decision with the woman and her health care providers. the situation we have when you don't have the ability of health care providers to provide that, you end up with the situation like amanda in texas. they are afraid to do what is necessary. it doesn't change anything. it puts the decision back on the woman and the physicians. >> that is not happening anywhere in the united states. it is not happening, and it's a lie. it's a bold-faced lie that he is suggesting that -- can you imagine -- can you imagine -- he is suggesting that women in their ninth month of pregnancy are electing to have an

abortion? are you kidding? that is so outrageously inaccurate, and it's so insulting to suggest that that would be happening and that women would be doing that. it's not happening anywhere. this guy is full of lies. i mean i just have to be very candid with you. >> vice president kamala harris in a wide-ranging interview with a popular podcast, call her daddy. before that you saw her running mate, governor tim walz on fox news, speaking of the issues of abortion, trying to set the record straight. as reproductive health care stays at the forefront of the 2024 elections, a new documentary is taking a look at the physical and emotional toll of these abortion bans. you heard governor walz mention amanda z a urawski. the documentary following four women taking on the texas

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now. amanda is back on the show with us, along with the film's director, macie and abby. she is joining us with huma abadeen, an adviser to one of the companies who produced the film. hillary clinton is one of the executive producers on the film. tell us in order, briefly if you could, what you set out to do to accomplish in this documentary. >> we wanted to understand what abortion bans meant in practice especially in a state like texas where we are both from. one of the first thicks we asked amanda when we began filming, what wasn't being covered in the media that she had already done, and we all agreed that understanding the long-term effects, traumatic effects of being denied health

care was important to focus on. >> abby? >> i think the other thing that we really felt was so important to cover, this is an issue that affects women across our country. there's 25 million women living in states with abortion bans right now. what was so important to understand, it's not just women being harmed. families are being harmed. families are being denied the ability to plan what their family looks like, and i think that's something that people need to understand. >> amanda, if you could remind our viewers what the outcome of your health care situation was after you struggled to get the health care that you desperately needed. >> sure. so unfortunately i was suffering a miscarriage and was denied the abortion they needed in that moment and had to wait until i qualified for health care in texas, and that meant life of the mother. i had to wait until my life was on the line.

went into septic shock twice. survived that thankfully, but my fertility unfortunately is permanently compromised. >> my god. >> i want to ask you. were were all at the hampton festival where the film was screened. debuted in telluride a month ago, and you have been on tv the last two years sharing your story, and we do talk about it being a health care issue for american women and their families. at the end of the screenings, i have been stunned by the silence in the room, and then people just flock to you and macy and abby and other characters in the film. what are they saying to you? >> overwhelming support first and foremost, and then i'm hearing their stories. everyone has their own story, whether it's someone who lives in a safe state or not in a safe state, you know, they are telling me about their loss, their miscarriages, their abortions, their struggles to get pregnant and experiences

with ivf. everyone has a story. by the way, it's not just women. it's men as well. what we are talking about here is reproductive care, basic health care. it's something that impacts every single person in the country. >> it certainly does. macy, abby, both of you, many of the things strike me in the film, but one is how hopeful you feel at the end, a sense of triumph. tell us what you hope viewers will take away from the screenings. >> go first. >> sure. i think when we set out to make the film, one of the things important to us was to show there was hope amongst the devastation we were seeing. we found that in molly duane, the lead attorney on the case. molly and her colleagues will continue to fight on this front, and i think that does bring hope to the story. >> i think that the women in this film bring hope. each of them made a very difficult decision to share such private, intimate moments of their lives, and it -- i'm

in awe of them. they continue to bear the truth out, and speak and continue to speak, and that's what we need to hear right now. >> so, macy, where can people see this if they would like to see it? >> we are doing a number of screenings throughout the month, both at film festivals and impact screenings at various states. right now you can go to our website. zurawskivtexas to find the screenings, updated daily. >> amanda. >> i'm sorry, go ahead. >> we are bringing the film to as many states as possible where bans are in place, to where abortion is on the ballot, and it's crucial people understand the impact of what is happening in their state. >> amanda, i would like to know, when you saw the entire doc, what your feelings were, and are you hopeful, especially

given what these bans from actually -- how they have impacted your life? >> seeing the film for the first time was surreal, i will admit, but the filmmakers did such a beautiful job, what you see on screen is exactly what i lived and experienced. i think that's true of my co- plaintiffs and our attorney as well. when other folks see it, we hear of the stories, but to see the long-term effects and see them on screen, i think it's a different and profound impact. i think between the four of us, everyone in america is going to see a little bit of themselves on that screen in each of us. i'm definitely hopeful. you know, it started small, and we are seeing this kind of ground swell across the country of additional people speaking up and speaking out and fighting back. >> you can find out more information about screenings for the documentary at www.

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in a new op-ed in the wall street journal by the u.s. ambassador to japan, rahm emanuel, the former white house chief of staff writes in part, quote, over the past three years the u.s. and its allies in the region have strengthened their partnerships and transformed the security landscape isolating china. he leaves america and its allies can further isolate beijing by confronting its economic tactics. ambassador emanuel now from tokyo. >> mr. ambassador, thank you for being with us. i want to talk about the op-ed in a minute, but i think it's important for americans who have been focused rightfully on what has been happening in the middle east, in ukraine, and russia, to hear the story again, because we try to underline it here, about what this administration has done, what america has done over the past 3 1/2 years around china

to actually strengthen our alliances there in a way that they have not been strengthened in quite some time. >> yeah, i mean, president biden changed the entire strategic landscape of the far east by taking the hub and spoke system and putting what is referred to as a lattice or multilateral diplomatic security apparatus. you saw the historic meeting at camp david with the united states that put china on the back heels. that trilateral was set up with the philippines, changing the diplomatic front and the security structure. those were big chess moves. it's built on the concept that your allies are your allies and the alliances that we have strengthen the united states, anchor us here, and you know,

the indo pacific is an away game, closer to a home game for us. it's important in america to secure it that way. >> we could talk about what has happened in australia of course, our most loyal of friends over the last 150 years, and what is happening in guam, up and down, right? >> the big move here is what china did with the rule of warrior strategy and belligerent to every country around the neighborhood, creating the opening that president biden filled with the strategic vision. the peace talks is complimentary to the diplomatic side and the security side, bringing to an equal level with the integrated deterrence. china using coercion, using their debt trap, trying to isolate and crush a country's sovereignty.

having the economic strategy to confront that makes the deterrence that much more effective. >> yeah, let's be specific for our viewers about the wall street journal op-ed piece, what does this president need to do as good next steps, and what does the next president need to do? >> china's strategy is to isolate and then crush it. isolate australia and crush it. we take the isolator and isolate them. they are working their networks, expanding the trade opportunities, and make them less dependent on china, and china's strategy of coercion failed. one, create the trade defense council of integrated countries that agree on the concept on economic principles and rules. two, put an article 5

underneath it to create its deterrence that an attack on one is an attack on all. china wants to isolate a country, not be isolated. the 1977 economy rule was built with a different economy than today. we need to bring that into the strategy of how the president wants to act with the aid and benefit of a country being targeted by china. third, we have to be honest that the individual loan programs as related to debt tracks for countries. we should be proadvertising the cost of chinas, quote, end quote, large chest and what they give, and be honest in the small print, and be nimble in

the way we led. ours, the western world, led us to developing economies. too cumbersome. then you have a way of confronting and taking china's economic strategy and flipping it back on itself, and making sure all of those things were against what china is trying to do. look, take one example, they in subsidized steel made chile close their own steel plant. no one is interested in importing china's exporting of the economic domestic problems. that's what is going on. the steel is the canary in the coal mine. you will see more of it. next, eric idol will be our guest when we come right back. c . ? great question. like everything, it takes a little planning.

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book entitled the spamulot diaries. joining us now the book's new york times best-selling author eric idle. he wrote and created the musical, and he's a founding member of monty python. it's an honor to have you on the show. i would love to ask you about the bag you brought with us. >> i have brought the holy grail with me. i thought, you know, i found it under my bed, and inside it's very good. my daughter actually made it, it's spam. it's very nice. it's the only one in the world, and anyway, she made it for me for the opening on broadway last year, and i thought i would bring it for luck. >> there's so many questions i could ask you. we are such huge fans. i have always loved you talking about your relationship with george harrison, and you do it in the diaries, and what a wonderful, lovely man he was,

and how supportive he was of you, and how you were initially afraid, you know -- afraid to meet him, but after meeting him, you talked 24 hours straight? >> yes, it was like -- i mean it was a wonderful thing. we just met in l.a., and there was a screening of the holy grail, actually, and we just talked and talked. how is your group? i said how is your group? and he said how is your john, and i said how is your john? it was good fun, but we all played guitar, and it was good fun. i'm a guitarist. >> some notes. let's talk about the book. spamalot diaries, tell us what they are and then when you found them. >> well, they are diaries i kept during the rehearsal with all of the lovely people, the cast and everything. i found them two years ago when i was moving house, and we were moving to a smaller house.

i call it downsize abby. it's what happens at my age, you know. and then i found these diaries and forgot they kept them. i showed them to my wife, and she read them, enjoyed them, puzzles the clown's wife, really loved it. they really are interesting. they tell the story before you know you have a hit. every day you have anxiety and fears, and arguments arouse, and you know, the show doesn't just come together. it's a lot of creative forces, flashing, and maybe arguing. >> speaking of creative forces flashing together, eric, a lot of people of a certain age think of mike nickels and elaine may, and what a comedic team they were, but mike nichols was huge in terms of production, screen writing, and making great films

and other elements of theater. what was your relationship with him? >> i was a friend with him for 15 years, and then we got together to work on spamalot. we have a second hour of "morning joe: weekend" on this sunday morning coming up after the break. morning coming up ar the br eak. spiratory disease from rsv in people 60 years and older. arexvy does not protect everyone and is not for those with severe allergic reactions to its ingredients. those with weakened immune systems may have a lower response to the vaccine. the most common side effects are injection site pain, fatigue, muscle pain, headache and joint pain. arexvy is number one in rsv vaccine shots. rsv? make it arexvy. one hundred republicans who worked in national security for presidents reagan, both bushes, and for president trump. now endorsing harris for president. she came up as a prosecutor, an attorney general, into the senate. she has the kind of character that's going to be necessary

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week. take a look. joining us now we have the host of the podcast "on brand" with donny deutsch. he is here with positive vibes. >> yes. i want to say -- -- put a chi ron on the bottom. four brilliant women and a dumb guy. that's the table. >> member of the "new york times" editorial guard mara gay is with us and special correspondent at "vanity fair" and host of the podcast molly joan bass and co-founder and ceo of all in together and host of majority rules on two way, lauren later and i have some questions for you about that. when we talked about in the hall. also with us, senior national political correspondent for the "washington post" ashley parker is with us, her latest piece is entitled. is the trump campaign's male dominated culture losing women votes? also with us senior political columnist for politico jonathan martin. it's entitled here's what harris must do to seal the

deal. and with that, let's start there. what -- what does she need to do that she's not already doing, j-mart? >> i think she's taking positive steps to start driving the news more. going to the border in arizona and having the event with liz cheney in wisconsin. doing more press like the "60 minutes" interview and i think this campaign requires a much more aggressive effort to do two things. one is, take the fight to trump. make him pay a price for those remarks about detroit. he's teeing up that kind of stuff nearly every day saying he didn't pay overtime when he was a business executive. he's got to own these comments and it's a level of aggressiveness i think but also i think more important, guys, she's got to offer the politics of reassurance to voters in the political center who don't like trump but are not sure they can vote for her. she's got to convince them she will govern from the mainstream next year. and represent moderate values and not be a california lefty and by the way, she can lean

into the fact that there's probably going to be a gop senate next year in washington and there's going to have to be compromise. embrace the compromise. >> yeah. all right, ashley parker, i'm fascinated by your piece. and horrified at the same time. tell us about it. >> sure. so my colleagues and i did a piece looking at sort of the culture inside the trump campaign. which translates to what they say and how they act publicly and as you know, covering politics, the tone is often set from the top and so that's with former president trump. and what we found was sort of a striking and deliberate maches moe and bro culture that you know goes from the language, the aides used to describe people and our leads seen as they're talking about how to handle stairs they don't like -- stories they don't like from reporters and a top guy on the campaign says well, we'll just beat them into retardation. just not language that is

acceptable by just about anyone. and this is also how the statements they release. the names they call president biden. vice president harris. who -- they choose to highlight. and obviously there are concerns from their own allies, from nikki haley about how they talk to women and how they talk about women and about the tone. but part of this, you know, they're -- last thing i will say, briefly, is that susie wiles the top women on the campaign, has privately told confidants the biggest challenge is quote unquote managing too much testosterone. i remember saying at the r nc what are they going to do to bring women back into the tent and i watched and i realized, they're not. that's not their main concern. they are doubling and tripling down on their reliable voters which are younger male voters and you see it in this culture.

>> yeah. >> mara gay, your thoughts. i mean, this is kind -- this is a strategy. and it could be effective. >> well, i guess my thoughts are i hope that women seeing this who are, you know, over half the population, and vote more consistently than men, i hope that they see this and that they coalesce around the obvious choice. white women i'm talking to you as well. and i -- i just think we really also might want to take a moment to as barack obama did yesterday, speaking specifically to black men, but i think this is actually for all men. you know, i think men are in crisis actually in this country. i think that plays out different ways. and not all men are in crisis of course. and not all men are just at home listening to joe rogan and being angry or being recruited to fascism. some just need therapy like we

all do. i go to therapy. that's great. but i think we need to have a real conversation around that rather than the drift to faux masculinity a that we see donald trump. >> him tapping into what's quick and easy. >> right. >> sort of like -- bigotry, racism, misogyny are just like these muscles that certain people have in their brains. this is very trumpy and i don't know if there's time to do what you are talking about though it's badly needed. molly, go ahead. >> one of the smart thing this is campaign is doing is trying to meet voters where they are. so like -- the call her daddy podcast, that's five, 10 million women right ultimately and they are very mixed right? they're dems and they're rs and they're is. that's really helpful. put tim walz on joe rogan because go to joe rogan and

show them what tim walz means for this ticket. show them that this ticket understands that there are men this this country who don't totally jive with some of the stuff that, you know -- >> look, the gender gap has been growing for years right? this is not new to this election cycle. we've seen this for the last decade. democrats and independents have skewed more female and republicans have skewed more male. trump accelerated that right and sort of put the trend on steroids. the questions we were asking over the last few years was he trying to expand his base and outreach to women? the answer was clearly no. j.d. vance was a very clear statement. they've been very comfortable with the way they've alienated suburban women. as she said women are more likely to turn out to vote.

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i'm talking about the debate. what do you mean donald trump won't debate her again. >> you saw the first debate. didn't you. >> yeah. >> yeah. that's why. and got his kicked and leafs he was afraid that's going to happen again and rather he's spreading this fog, this fog of misinformation and disinformation and gaslighting, rather than face her again so we can -- >> well. he spread his -- he is spreading it about you. saying that tabloid stories about your personal life, saying -- it should be front and center. he's saying it about your wife. and making incredibly crude and lewd suggestions about her past

life. i'm just curious. i know i seem like a very zen mindful person. but i think i'd be pissed-off. and i'm just wondering how -- how do you -- how do you all stay centered? how do you stay disciplined and not really go off and not really push back hard at these things? >> we don't have time to be pissed-off. we don't have time to focus on it. it's all a distraction and it's designed to try to get us off our game. >> does it get you off your game. >> all we're doing, all we talk about is this election. we understand the stakes and we understand the responsibility. >> what are the stakes. >> our very country. our future, what kind of future are we going to have and who would you like picking the next two or three supreme court justices? the guy who picked the three who overturned roe versus wade and want to talk away more and more freedom or do you want kamala harris picking the supreme court justices? >> right. >> i mean, this is -- you know, she said it.

it's not just the most important election of our lifetime. it's the most important election of our nation's lifetime. so right now, you have seen us before. the end of before times. lot of happy couple talk. you know, we love each other dearly. we love being around each other and we enjoy it and we have fun together. right now, we're deferring that kind of happy couple time because everything we talk about right now is what else can we be doing to win this election? >> you talking. >> where else an we go and how can we make sure we are getting the word out and that's it. because like i said the stakes are too high. all other stuff you are talking about is just a distraction. we're not going to let it. >> see more from joe's wide ranging interview on monday morning right here on "morning joe" with doug emhoff. longtime pollster and political strategist frank lu nds recently teamed up with the

"new york times" for a focus group made up of gen z voters who were mostly undecided. i have a question about that but i will hold that in. first of all, what's the big picture from your point of view on the state of the race? >> i have thought that trump's debate performance would disqualify him. then in the end, looking at the two candidates side by side, which the american people knew waiting weeks and months to see, that just as biden's performance cost him the nomination, that trump's performance would cost him the election. and i have had to walk that back a little bit because i think the race is dead even. i don't follow the national numbers at all. it's the seven states and in every one of these seven states, it's within the margin of error. in fact, it's half the margin of error. so there's no way to call it right now which is why he's 4% and that's it. these 4% races are -- are

impossible to predict. now they can all go for harris and they can go all for trump. but i'm questioning whether these undecided voters are even going to participate and they're going to play some sound now. but make no mistake, we are on a pins' edge right now and the essential -- the essential -- key point of this is that who they vote for is the next president of the united states. >> so frank, let's listen to what some of the focus group participants had to say about why they are still undecided. >> raise your hand if you are undecided still at this point. if the election were held today, who would you vote for? if you had to pick -- if the election were held today. between trump, harris, a write- in and not voting?

>> yeah, imthink i'm going to can be -- think i'm going to vote for kamala harris. i can't get over what happened in 2020 and what happened in the debates and the general, you know, statements made during the campaign. not just the right but the alternative slate of electors schemes is a bridge too far for me. >> angelo, ask briefly, you have been you know a little bit leaning harris. and i know tonight you raised some concerns. why are you in the write in camp right now? >> in my opinion, the more lie i look back into it. and i look into her campaign. i can't trust her. i will never -- i'm not going to vote for trump. but i just -- the more i think about the more i don't know if i can vote for harris. i don't trust her and more inclined to write someone in who i feel like would best represent through my vote. >> how about you? you raised your hand. if you had to vote today for harris. why harris? >> well, i gist want to -- just want to see what she will do. i know she's going to have to run again later and i'm hoping

she will get like -- be an exemplary president for the term. that's my only reason. >> abigail, how about you? >> me too. some people say some things tonight that motivated me to do a little bit more research about the other side to generate -- that i hadn't heard about before on january 6th but i don't want to vote for someone and i don't want to tell my children that i voted for someone that actually threatened democracy. you know what i mean? i need to -- analyze and think a little bit more before i just vote for trump. >> oh. okay. so first of all, we thank everybody for participating. absolutely no bad things to say about people who participate in these conversations. we thank you so much. but does anybody at this table need to take a deep breath? because i do. i just -- do. >> you have been listening to undecided for weeks on two way and it's really hard to believe that there's still people who might vote third party or try

to write in. it's just such a lack of understanding about the stakes and about why that's just throwing your vote away. >> i have to just say -- i mean just trying to find that grace. [ laughter ] >> in this moment. >> but i will say you know i'm a millennial and i'm not gen z but we all have some friends who are saying neither of these candidates fully supports, you know, my views and i think gen z comes from a generation where politics has been broken for a long time. okay. i'm sympathetic. what i would just say is -- the way to build power is to start with the reality that we have. and you don't want to throw away your vote. this is a choice between two people and that's it. so are you really going to deny your neighbor's medicaid? coming up, jen psaki and stephanie rule will join us to help break down the state of the presidential race with just

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over the last few weeks, there's been reckless and irresponsible of disinformation and outright lies about what's going on. it's undermining confidence in the people in florida. and incredible rescue and recovery work that's been undertaken. literally there are thousands of fellow americans who are putting their lives at stake and putting on the line to do the dangerous work that needs to be done now. and it's harmful to those who most need the help. quite frankly, these lies are un-american. and there's simply no place for them. not now, not ever. former president trump has led this onslaught of lies. assertions have been made that property is being confiscated. that's simply not true. they're saying people impacted

by these storms will receive $750 in cash and no more. that is simply not true either. you know, they're saying that money needed for these crises are being diverted to migrants. what the heck are they talking about? stop it. it's just outrageous, it's just not true. now they're getting even more bizarre. marjorie taylor green the congresswoman from georgia is now saying the federal government is literally controlling the weather. we're controlling the weather. it's beyond ridiculous. so stupid. it's got to stop. >> let's bring in the host of msnbc's inside with jen psaki. jen, good morning, great to see you. >> good morning. >> it was -- we've been sort of saying this this morning. and you as someone who worked in that press office, at the white house, that the president of the united states would have to stand at a lectern at the white house and say to the american people and to people who are skeptical, no, the government does not control the weather.

and no, the government does not engineer hurricanes to go to red states or specifically red districts that support donald trump. it's sort of a breathtaking moment but sadly it has to be said out loud and it's not just president biden but it's the congressman from north carolina. republican governors and senators who have had to really drive this message home. that fema is not here to take your land, for example. >> no kidding. and i think it's so important to keep restating as you have this morning, this is not normal. i talk with secretary mayorkas about this the other night. he's never seen any level of misinformation during a hurricane crisis response or any emergency response like the one we are seeing now. and before he was secretary of homeland security he spent many, many years working in the department of homeland security and when you have that republican member of congress whose district was undoubtedly won by trump, by multiples, saying this is harming the people in my district, that

should be a huge wake-up call. the other thing secretary mayorkas said to me which has stuck with me is that people are not applying for programs. they're eligible for. they're not of course listening to advice about evacuation and they don't know what's true and not true and people are hurting healths because of the -- themselves because of the amount of misinformation out there. i was working for barack obama in 2012 when he was running for re-election during hurricane sandy and you remember that well. chris christie came and traveled on the plane with us. now it may have hurt chris christie politically later but the point is that these moments are moments when democrats and republicans, people have stood together to respond to communities in trouble. and trump is like lighting a fire -- at that tradition and also hurting the people who are impacted. >> so staff, one of the -- things the trump campaign latched on to in terms of disinformation or false claims, where they've seized on to this

idea of a $750 payment. you roll your eyes and as i even broach the subject. what exactly this is and why they think it's a talking point? give us the truth. >> donald trump claiming yes, if you can get it. joe biden is just going to give you this candy. this $750 so it's as though you got something and there will be absolutely nothing behind it. if they try to give it to you, refuse that money. you are basically signing off saying i won't take anything else from the government. it's a flatout lie. on one hand we should be talking about how dangerous this is and problematic and how stupid it makes the trump -- trump campaign look. however, they don't do any of these things by accident so it makes you wonder and it makes you worry about the political calculation because we can all sit here and talk about how dangerous it is. but many of the people in these areas aren't watching us right now. they don't even have access to national news given what they're going through. and you worry that in these states where every vote counts,

is it -- perversely going to help him? >> and that's why it's been so important to have these republican governors come out and say again and again, fema is doing its job. the biden administration is helping us. we disagree with him on almost everything but this is not a time for division even though this is coming from the top and donald trump. jen, let's talk more broadly about the state of the race here. we are under four weeks till election day. we know early voting underway. people mailing in ballots. it's all coming up quicker than people even realize i think. so what is your sense as we sit here now about the state of the race? we were talking with mike murphy a little bit earlier about some concerns about the state of michigan. that some messaging from the trump campaign about electric vehicles, though false may be cutting through there. where are you seeing as important areas of emphasis for the harris campaign? >> well, first, somebody asked me when i was getting coffee yesterday, what's the state of the race? and don't term me it's close. it's like well, it's close. i think what's important for

everybody out there to understand right now is not only is it very close, but even as everybody watches donald trump be self-combust at times on the stage when he's doing events and be hard to follow and confusing, the campaign and kind of a layer below him is running a far more disciplined effort in terms of the types of paid media they're doing on digital, on local advertising and et cetera. does that mean it's going to be successful? i'm not suggesting that. all i'm suggesting is that it shouldn't be underestimated. still ahead on "morning joe: weekend" a new piece in the atlantic is warning about ridiculous radical sixth happening in plain sight. we'll talk about the movement that helped fuel the january 6th capitol attacks and how it's revving up coming up ahead of november. flush flush

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unapologetic exercise in religious radicalization is happening in plain sight. the point was to transform a like minded crowd of donald trump supporting believers into god appointed warriors ready to do whatever the almighty might require of them in november and beyond. wow. joining us now to discuss this is theologian and "new york times" best selling author jim wallace. >> jim, i don't really know where to -- to begin here. i know you and i have -- we may disagree on some issues politically. but you and i both love the gospel and love the church. and want what's best for -- for the church. jesus christ's church. but what we're seeing now is leading to pews emptying out. what we've seen is leading to

many younger evangelicals breaking sharply from their parents on multitude of issues. from the climate to israel and i mean dramatic shifts. and it even led to dear friend of ours, tim keller, saying before he died that he no longer calls himself an evangelical because that word is now so freighted with political meaning instead of religious meaning. talk about this crisis and this isn't a left/right crisis. this is a crisis of the church. this is a crisis about the emptying pews that we saw in western europe. but we're now starting to see in the united states. >> good morning, joe. and mika. thanks for covering this. i like to say don't go left, don't go right. go deeper. and that's what we have to do

here. we seemed to have lost, joe, something in many parts of our churches. those who call themselves christians are supposed to be followers of jesus christ. and many of these teachings that you are -- that you are lifting up here are literally antithetical to the teachings of jesus. in that rally that mika talked ability, their favorite word -- about, their favorite word was "warrior." in fact they said say warrior and the crowd chanted warrior. they're god appointed warriors they say to help donald trump win the election. well, jesus said -- blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the children of god. and some of these people in this movement -- this militant power movement, say that christians have been too loving. and jesus says love your

neighbor as yourself, don't turn your neighbors into enemies. love your neighbor as yourself and that shows whether we love god or not. so in that rally they talked about fire, go in the fire, you will find jesus in the fire and he'll set you free the fire. that's not what the gospel says. john says you will know the truth says jesus. and the truth will set you free. as mika said a while ago we keep hearing lies and lies and lies. jesus says the truth will set us free. so how do we bring jesus into this conversation that's become so much a false religion, what i call the false white gospel. so politicized now? let's bring jesus and the text back into the conversation. >> jim, this is gene robinson. presumably, the preachers have

read the gospel and presumably they're familiar with the sermon on the mount. how do they justify -- what is their rationale for completely departing from that? for ignoring what jesus said and what jesus thought and what jesus -- taught and what jesus did? how does anyone who calls himself a christian preacher do that. >> they're actually saying, gene, that these teachings don't apply. loving your neighbor doesn't apply. the image of god doesn't apply to this moment. they are -- reading what they said i couldn't believe this. i'll quote it right. we are preparing for war. i am not on this earth to be blessed. but to be armed and dangerous. followers of jesus not thought to be the ones who are armed and dangerous.

your point gene, they are ignoring the teaching of jesus. so rather than have a political argument, i try -- i'm on the road all the time now, with these people and i'm saying let's talk about what jesus said. and what he did. and we are called to be peacemakers, conflict resolvers, not conflict creators. these people are conflict creators. they had jesus flags in the capitol as they were beating police. so this is a movement that's gone far from the teaching of jesus. the good news is there's a new movement afoot. really an old movement. i see diverse christians and others all around the country, who are confronting and countering this white christian nationalist movement with the teaching of jesus. to your point, it is white christian nationalism versus jesus christ.

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you want to expand the child tax credit. >> yes i do. >> you want to first tax breaks to first time home buyers and people starting small businesses. >> correct. >> it's estimated by the nonpartisan committee for responsible federal budget that your economic plan would add $3 trillion to the federal deficit over the next decade. how are you going to pay for that? >> okay. so the other economic -- economists that have reviewed my plan versus my opponent and determined that my economic

plan would strengthen america's economy, his would weaken it. my plan bill, if you don't mind. my plan is about saying that when you invest in small businesses, you invest in the middle class and you strengthen america's economy. small businesses are part of the backbone of america's economy. >> but pardon me madame vice president. the question was, how are you going to pay for it? >> one of the -- things i'm going to make sure that the richest among us who can afford it pay their fair share in taxes. it's not right that teachers and nurses and firefighters are paying a higher tax rate than billionaires and the biggest corporations. >> but -- >> i plan on making that fair. >> let me tell you what your critics and the columnists say. >> okay. >> they say that the reason so many voters don't know you is that you have changed your position on so many things. you were against fracking and now you are for it.

you supported looser immigration policies and now you are tightening them up. you are for medicare for all. now you are not. so many of the people don't truly know what you believe or what you stand for. and i know you have heard that. >> in the last four years, i have been vice president of the united states. and i have been traveling our country. and i have been listening to folks. and seeking what is possible in terms of common ground. i believe in building consensus. we are a diverse people. geographically, regionally, in terms of where we are in our backgrounds and what the american people do want is that we have leaders who can build consensus. where we can figure out compromise and understand it's not a bad thing as long as you don't compromise your values. >> so joe, barring the fact that the other choice for president believes in nothing, except for his own self- interests, and was a democrat,

and donated to kamala harris' campaigns at one point. >> right. >> putting all of that aside, how do you think she handled that question? >> well, you know, i thought it was great. i mean -- now i'm a conservative. always said donald trump's not a conservative. and he's not. and then the news outlets that are always running are not conservatives and yesterday i quoted edna burke and i voted russell kirk and i voted ronald reagan. and i go back to -- in this answer -- gene robinson, where she's talking about seeking consensus. she said, she talked about seeking common ground. >> yeah. >> and -- and americans want leaders who build consensus. and compromise. and of course, that requires that -- as cane said i think it was, when the facts change, i changed my mind.

what do you do, sir, is the question. but you were so lucky gene, you missed my history of conservativism 101 class yesterday. >> i heard it joe. i did hear it. i did hear it. >> well -- >> you also -- you also quoted my friend charles krauthammer at length. and i heard it. yes. >> the best. i love charles. i love charles. real conservative hero. and charles by the way, is always reading through charles again through the weekend. and a man whose writing i so deeply loved. we discount the written word too much these days and think oh gene when we write it doesn't matter so much. charles is speaking to us and speaking to conservatives and speaking to trump voters and speaking to those who claim to be conservative. charles is speaking from beyond to them. in his words, even today. if they just want to read what charles krauthammer said -- i

think the great conservative mind of our time has said about donald trump. but more importantly, what he said about government. but one of the things that the vice president just said that -- almost lifted directly from the conservative mind. russell kirk. the introduction to his seventh edition. his final edition of "the conservative mind." russell kirk talked about what conservativism was and he said it's conservatives look at custom and conventions forged by compromise and consensus over time and applied prudently and then at the end, he said whether we attach ourselves to the party of progress or the party of permanence depends on the circumstances of the time. and that's what kamala harris just said there. basically saying yes, i said what i said in 2019.

2020, a lot of things happened. a lot of things changed. i have traveled the country. i'm going to do what russell kirk said in the conservative mind. seek consensus. seek compromise. be prudent over time. this is something that real conservatives would applaud. gene? but for some reason, many who claim to be conservatives simply aren't doing that. they are going in the radical direction that russell and edmund and real conservatives warned about. up next a new documentary goes behind the scenes of this year's election with someone who knows a thing or two about two successful campaigns. james carville. the democratic strategist joins us straight ahead on "morning joe." swim with wait, can we afford a safari? great question. like everything, it takes a little planning.

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james is a legend. >> he has done something extraordinary. >> it's the economy. stupid. >> james is in the business of winning elections. >> he has a unique voice. >> if you love america, stop appeasing these >> james is a political hack. >> he is the -- smartest son of a [ bleep ] who's ever done this for a living. >> stupid naive people completely [ bleep ] it up. >> so good. all right, that's part of the new -- trailer for the new documentary "carville -- winning is everything, stupid." the film delves into the remarkable career of strategist

james carville and also chronicles his efforts to convince president joe biden not to seek re-election. and james carville joins us now along with the film's director. matt turnour. good to have you both along with us. i want to hear what that conversation was like. what did you say, james? >> say it with me. which conversation are you talking about? >> the one with joe biden. >> that was a long time and -- before we got into -- unpleasantness happened after 2022. >> i see. >> yeah. so -- so tell me what you have learned through all your years in politics starting with bill clinton and how -- what still applies today in 2024. when you break politics down to its bare essence. >> be aggressive. don't take anything for granted. i think that's a good lesson for vice president harris' campaign. come out and you have a good debate. don't go back in. you have to -- every day, you got to try to set -- >> is she doing that? >> i think they can do better. i think that they're doing

press and that's great. and you know, because you know, do long form interviews. sorry, they're doing long form interviews. they have to set the agenda themselves and how in the world they ever let j.d. vance get by with saying that president trump salvaged obama when they tried to wreck it at every junction. they should be out there hitting every day. every day. the lesson of my life in politics is aggressiveness pays off. >> i just ran -- just rant little congressional districts and i'd start panicking a year ahead of time and i'd say i don't have enough time. i don't have enough time. i mean three weeks beforehand i would be freaking out and i don't have enough time to do everything i need to do and that's when it was one little congressional district. you are running nationwide and there were a lot of democrats that were concerned. la mere wrote an article about it. they seemed to disappear right as they were getting momentum. now she's back out there doing a good job. but -- but again, are you concerned about that?

>> i'm always concerned. my least favorite question, james, who do you think is going to win the election? i don't know. i'm trying to figure out how to win it. you know, let -- david askerman and nate silva figure out who's going to win. >> who's going to win a football game in the second quarter? you don't know. depends who blocks and tackles best in the fourth quarter. >> a lot to be decided here. matt, i'm curious, you have done some great work. studio 54 film. the work you have done. what was it about james that you said -- i want to make a documentary about this guy? >> well, i mean, we started this two and a half years ago. obviously this was a guy that had a 30 plus year political career. reinvented the art of political consulting and arguably taught democrats how to win again after years in the wilderness. but little did i know he would

insert himself into the 2024 election as a true insurgent and i think changed the entire trajectory of the election. >> how so? >> he was telling president biden as a democrat elder statesman to not run. it was a moment when i was shooting in may of 2023 when an abc news post poll came out and i was shooting him that morning. he was looking at the internal numbers on the poll talking to george stephanopoulos and paul as he does every day for 30 years and he does then and i started to follow him as he became a true insurgent and i believe the elder statesman in the party in a way that people like vernon jordan and bob strauss were. he could go to the president and say don't do this. you are going to lose. >> what did you see when you looked at that nearly 2023? what did you see? >> just gotten -- mike and you know, you are seeing the polls as i do. you talk to a poll and i kept saying what's the next question on being? it was worse than i thought it was -- at every junction. direction of the country,

favorability. don't want -- people to run at every juncture in the polling. you just knew it was not going to change. just -- it was just -- stuck. >> did age show up in that poll? >> every time. and every focus group. you would mention president biden's name and people would just bury their face in their hands and go oh my god. he's old. you couldn't get people -- unfortunately a lot of friends that are still in the business. you couldn't get by dave's question. then they wouldn't entertain anything and you can see that that was -- really crippling his chances to be re-elected. that's all the time we have for this weekend. tune in form for a whole -- tomorrow for a whole new week of "morning joe" starting at 6:00 a.m. bright and early. until then enjoy the rest of your sunday. good morning. it su