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welcome back to the weekend, breaking the sour, you become nbc news has just released a brand-new national poll of the 2024 race showing vice president harris and donald trump tied at 48% support among registered voters , just 23 days out from the election. that's a shift from last month when harris had a five-point lead in the wake of the presidential debate. these results, as the washington post reports both teams are preparing for victory but in different ways. trump is telling his team flat out there going to win, and his staffers know it and everybody knows it, right, that's how they roll. and while the vps team has a much more sobering message meaning, nothing is certain.

joining us now is host of axios live, eugene scott. >> i am, first of all, congrats on the fellowship, i know it's a great time, this is an interesting time to be on a college campus, to be in a city like boston well cambridge, but down the street, i'm wondering your thoughts given this new national poll, we are 23 days out from election day. this particular poll, the nbc polls are so great but i just want to grab the hands of all the pollsters and say we need to look at the voters. but in this particular national poll, abortion comes to the top of the list, followed by immigration. your take on where the race

stands? >> these are all concerns for young voters, not just in boston or d.c. where you are a fellow at georgetown. we talked to swing voters in many of the states of the younger people are concerned about whether or not they're going to be able to afford housing, whether they can get jobs after graduation and whether they will live their lives somewhat similar to the way that their parents lived their lives. >> there was the nbc pole but there's also the new york times pulling out looking at latinos. they say harris struggles to win over latinos while trump flips his script. i don't know if that's the headline i would have done, the threshold is 40, the 40% number for trump among latinos is what we are looking at. what we are seeing in communities of color is what we

are seeing in every other communities is when she gets in front of folks, people like her and the numbers move. the challenge for her if she's trying to do that on a truncated timeline. >> people aren't watching every day following the headlines every day. i've covered politics in arizona for years and a lot of voters will be first-time voters and these polls don't account for them. she has to communicate to them that her vision of america is superior to what trump is offering. >> i will just repeat numbers that i think are important which is, only 50% of this current total electorate was registered to vote in 2008. only 30% of latinos who are registered to vote today were

registered to vote in 2008. we are using these numbers and comparing to past elections. we are not talking about the same electorate. >> we are not, thank you, i wish people would get off this, it goes back to what symone said about getting real numbers from real people, and understanding what's actually happening on the ground. i really appreciate eugene, your point about how voters are consuming this election and particularly consuming kamala harris. i will draw your attention to political, noting they watched 2020 -- 20 trump rallies. he's no longer talking about building a wall and banning muslims from entering the united states no, trump, he now warns that migrants have already invaded, destroying the country from the inside, which he uses as a means to justify a second term policy agenda that includes building a massive detention camp and conducting

mass deportation. half the american people thinking i just don't know kamala harris, what is she going to do about my gas prices, trump is talking about locking your behind up and putting you in a concentration camp, and i don't understand the disconnect on that. >> michael, i would say i think we need to remember that not everyone is watching these rallies. people have turned trump off but when the kamala harris campaign uses their social media which is really effective, it's effective at getting what he has said in front of people who weren't paying attention, there like, this is not who i think should leave this country and that's what they will continue to have to do when it comes to new voters. we remember this trump from 2020 and 2016 that there are a lot of people who were not plugged into the election.

>> i am also hearing that and focus groups people are saying, he's not actually going to do that, even if they have heard him make the commitment that they are saying well that's just a thing he is saying. he won't actually do it. we lived through what he actually did, family separation, we lived through them trying to build up an office of the naturalization. you don't need to ask if he's serious about doing it because he has shown us it can already be done and this time, he knows how to use the resources of the federal government. >> this is me looking for my collection plate because it's sunday and you are preaching a sermon right now. is one of my largest conservations and eugene made a good point and he said many people have not seen the rallies because i personally believe that the platforming donald trump, at one point there was a mass de-

platforming, the people seeing and hearing trump in his own words consistently, i think it's important, it's why the covid briefings were so important because people could see the antics and what i described as the crazy on display for themselves and they could make their own decision. people don't believe what he's saying. i will talk to people and they will say, did he really say that. it's a quote. they are hearing us say it and there like this can't be it. to me, it seems as though, the new york times did a story couple of weeks ago, how we

talk a lot about the people saying i don't know what he's going to do but if we take a look at what he did even the things we don't know about like how he asked the justice department to investigate his critics and to bring lawsuits and sometimes they listened and sometimes they didn't. he won't have the guardrails next time because the people that were literally standing in the gap of the democracy, he won't be hiring them. >> he wants loyalists and he has loyalists, it's interesting to talk to people who you assume were paying attention, i think what we are dealing with to some degree, i've heard us referred to as the united states of amnesia. we have to remind people of what

is at stake, not just as journalists but americans, based on what these two very different candidates have proposed. >> what are you hearing from students, what are the students saying at harvard, i would love to get a sense of how they are thinking about this. >> there's been a bump in enthusiasm with kamala harris at the top of the ticket. we saw voters did not want to see another biden and trump face-off but now, there is more zeal for turning out, whether or not they will turn up at the numbers that harris needs to defeat trump, that remains to be seen. >> as always, we appreciate you for joining us. pennsylvania senator bob casey will join us here in the conversation at the table to discuss the vice president's

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tomorrow, vice president harris travels to pennsylvania for a campaign rally. she will be back in the state wednesday for another rally and in between on tuesday, governor walz will lives pennsylvania. this comes on the heels of

president obama's first event for harris last week. >> we don't need four more years of arrogance and bumbling and bluster and division. america's ready to turn the page. >> kamala harris is ready to do the job. this is a leader who has spent her life fighting on behalf of people who need a voice and a chance. >> put down your phone and vote! grab your friends and family and vote. vote for kamala harris. >> joining us now pennsylvania seniors settlement democrat bob casey. >> it's so good to see you. you are sitting on the stage while president obama was in pittsburgh and there was a point there, where he talked about you and said, you ain't no show pony.

let's play this. >> bob casey, he's not a show pony. all the guy cares about is doing the job, and looking after you, the people he was elected to serve. that is the kind of person we need to send back to washington. that's the kind of person who's going to help kamala get stuff done, folks who share our values and will do what they can to move this country forward, rather than backward. >> senator casey, i have a deep appreciation of that because i was on the opposite side of your first election to the united states senate, trying to defeat you, sir, and i remember

just being straight up, having conversations with folks at the national level and certainly in the state of pennsylvania and i said there's something about this guy we need to be mindful of because he connects with people in a way that our candidate at the time was not, even though our candidate was touting the pro-life agenda and all of that, you stood in that space as an honest broker on the subject and it really turned heads in a way that i think still turn. and that is, i think that's exactly where the president was going. how does pennsylvania stand up today, it has changed a lot from when he first got to the senate. the dynamics are very different on the ground. how is the democratic party situated with kamala harris at the top to prosecute the case that her candidacy for the presidency is not just necessary because of the opponent that she is running against, but because of standing in the breach on behalf of people will make a difference for them when it matters in 26, 27 and 28th?

>> michael great to be with you, look, this is a state where the economy is usually the center of the argument in both presidential and senate races. and in my case, and i think this is true for vice president harris as well, the main issue we hear mostly about our the cost, cost of living, making ends meet and when you take a stand as i have and has him cap, taking on greed inflation, going after price gouging in favor of a middle-class tax cut, helping folks make ends meet, when you take on those fights which are at the core of what people are concerned about, you're going to pass off a lot of billionaires, and i've done that. for example my opponent has got

a singular super pac set up just for him, it's the only one in the country, that is hitting us hard because those billionaires know that i'm not going to vote for their tax cuts. when you take positions like that, you will get knocked around but we will keep working to get our vote out and to get kamala's vote out. >> senator, we are always appropriately suspicious of polling around here, given the pattern of polling that we've seen in the past but let me pull this up, you were up 51%, mccormick, 43%, that's among likely voters in pennsylvania. one, do those numbers match your internal numbers, senator, go ahead, tell me more. >> i wish they did.

polling will bounce around but we are in a very close race now. we are probably in a two-point race. i think kamala harris is close to that, we are very much aligned. and i think one of the reasons for that is what i spoke about. the concentrated effort by very powerful forces, the wealthiest people on the planet earth, descending upon pennsylvania to hit both of us pretty hard. but i do think in the end, that if we keep working and there's still a lot of voters up for grabs, and we've got to earn their vote and continue to speak directly to this economic message. >> senator, you had a debate on october third with your republican challenger, mccormick, and i just want to play, you all have some exchanges on the economy, abortion was also a major topic of conversation. i want to play that part for our audience.

>> when the decision was made to overturn roe versus wade, his reaction was that that decision made him, quote, very, very happy, unquote. that's where he's been on this issue. >> senator casey said he wanted to overturn roe v wade. he was only for one exception, he also just signed legislation that allowed abortions up into the ninth month. >> now i don't know what mr. mccormick was talking about because senators don't signed legislation but also the abortion up to the nine-month thing, it's poppycock and what are the words i can use on television, deeply disappointing and offensive to everyone who knows better. talk about how abortion is playing out in your race, because i found that exchange

quite interesting on the debate stage. >> symone, it's a major issue in the race for two reasons. number 1, the whole world changed in 2022. i think a lot of americans, certainly a lot of pennsylvanians ask themselves whether or not they want to live in a country that is going to ban abortion or not. i think that's why a lot of people across the state want to know where we stand, in our race it's a very clear choice. you're either going to vote to restore roe or not. and my opponent will never support that legislation. and as you heard from my answer, his reaction when roe was overturned, he said it made him happy. so it's a clear choice, and i think it's also very evident

from where we are, we've got a lot of close senate races, the senate majority is up for grabs, and my race and a few others, may be to others will decide the majority. so if folks are concerned about this issue or concerned about keeping a majority help us by going to bob casey.com. >> i think it's important because this is happening in battleground states, can you give us a quick 30 seconds on efforts to undermine the voting process in the state of pennsylvania? >> michael, it's more of a broad-based argument or an allegation that they are going to continue to say that there's

something not right going on that something will happen when people vote and i think that line about the last election, is affecting how people approach this election. i think democrats and independents and a big number of republicans are going to move beyond that. i think we will have a big vote but i think we have to continue to earn that vote. >> senator casey, we appreciate your time and we will check in on your race. florida republicans are doing everything in their power to stop an amendment that would protect reproductive rights from passing next month. you are watching the weekend. td so, we scheduled at safelite.com. we were able to track our technician and knew exactly when he'd arrive. we can keep working! ♪ synth music ♪ >> woman: safelite came to us. >> tech: hi, i'm kendrick. >> woman: with a replacement we could trust. that's service the way we want it.

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new lows. i want everyone to stop what you're doing and listen to this. the state health department threatening to criminally charge tv stations, television stations that air a political ad calling for the repeal of the six week abortion ban. the charge could lead to a 60 day jail sentence and a fine up to $500. this is the florida health department. this is the ad that florida once taken down. >> when i saw the tumor on the mri was my first thought, am i going to be able to see my daughter again. the doctors knew that if i did not and my pregnancy, i would lose my baby, i would lose my life and my daughter would lose her mom. florida has now bad abortion even in cases like mine. we have to vote yes.

>> just to bring us up to speed, the fcc has responded to florida's threat rebuking the desantis administration for threatening tv stations against airing abortion measure adds. it's the right of broadcasters to speak freely. it's rooted in the first amendment, michael. >> where is elon musk, where are all of the people who are crying about the first amendment. you've got the department of health in the state of florida threatening to throw broadcasters in jail for airing a commercial. that people paid for that advances an opinion that they may or may not agree with, it doesn't matter. this is ron desantis, this is the landscape that they want to level up across the country,

this is project 2025, this is agenda 47. this is everything that trump and his ilk have been saying, folks, do not believe the crap, a national ban is a turn of the page away when donald trump as president of the united states. and so, you just gotta know what's coming, they are showing you the breadcrumbs. and i don't understand, i honest to god don't understand looking at a 50-50 race. when you are seeing stuff like this, these little mini trumper's, as governors and state legislatures, criminalizing first the womb of women, now criminalizing the speech. what's next, you guys tell me what you want next. >> this is michael steele is telling you all, listen to what he's saying. it is about what they are

trying to stop, women and families and people making their own decisions but the state health department threatening to criminally charge, i would argue, it is a promise, they are making a promise, they have done many of the things they said they would do if people cross them. and so, this is a gateway to what we will see in the next trump administration. trump has already called for the fcc to take -- we are not playing games with peoples licenses. but the fcc commissioners, they are appointed by the president, okay? people better pay attention.

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announce more than $600 million in funding from multiple states that were hard-hit by the storms. the aid will impart, go towards boosting electric grids. this, as nearly 1 million people in florida remain without power. elected officials can't prevent natural disasters but they can reduce or lessen the impact they have on the community. a new ad sheds light on which path they think trump would take if given the keys to the oval office once again. >> he would suggest not giving disaster relief to states that haven't voted for him. >> i remember one time after wildfire in california he wouldn't send relief because it was a democratic state. we looked up to show him, these are people who voted for you. >> joining us now, olivia troy, a former advisor to vice

president mike pence and kevin carol senior advisor to homeland security advisor john kelly. >> how do you make it clear to voters that he has already done things to impair america's safety and security. >> he's done it before. there had to be a lot of arm twisting by people like my old boss, john kelly, to get people to send aid to puerto rico, and after the wildfires in california. i think in a second trump term, you won't have people like general kelly or olivia there to try to get him to do the right thing. and i think terrible consequences will follow. >> what else don't we know,

olivia? because there's a lot that we didn't know until recently about this, y'all had to literally give him data to say republicans live in california, too, and they voted for you. so you might want to help them as well. i could never fathom a president that would need that to be done but what else haven't we heard? >> that's a fair point. there's probably a list of things, and quite frankly, when we are talking about the disaster relief and what happened, it was so chaotic and disruptive on a daily basis that it would be hard for me to sit here and think of examples, should i do immigration, should i talk about what happened with the child separation, should i talk about red and blue states during covid and how they weren't getting the supplies, so i talk about dr. fauci saying

i'm talking to doctors in the ers in new york city, they are telling me they're not getting the supplies and me leaving the room and jared kushner saying, f them, it's cuomo. i mean literally, these are real things that happened every single day. thing to do is take a step back and realize what kevin said. there are so many people that lived this firsthand and we know the damage and the danger of the chaos that came with that trump presidency and we know that it would be gravely worse, should he return to office. i'm sure there are so many staffers who are watching this play out and watching these ads or watching me and kevin talking about this having their own example thinking about the meetings that they had sitting in front of trump's loyalist, about the entire u.s. government running that way,

should trump return with no one thinking about the greater good of public service, no one thinking disaster relief should never be politicized. >> i think to that point, kevin, and i think it's important for people to appreciate one of the truth about donald trump is projection. he projects behavior that he himself would engage in on others. so i will play for you a little sound from newsmax where trump again, is repeating lies about the delivery of services to north carolinians and politicizing that. >> we got hit with a very bad hurricane, especially north carolina and parts of georgia. but north carolina really got it. i'll tell you what, those people should never vote for a democrat. because they held back aid.

they were so bad. so something strange is going on but if i were from north carolina, you should not vote for the democrat because what they did is disgusting. >> so to olivia's point, let's talk about north carolina in 2017 with hurricane matthew, donald trump gave the governor 1% of the aid that he requested for recovery. let's talk about the fact that donald trump in 2018 with respect to a point that symone raised in california, refused to give aid to parts of california devastated by wildfires and storms until he was told, the republicans of orange county, he said oh yeah, there are republicans there, we can give the money. that part of the storyline is something that i think it's important for people to understand because we are living through it right now, and you can see the two

responses by the trump administration then, and the biden administration now, handing off to kamala harris, how do we convey the narratives that what trump is saying here is a lie, telling people you shouldn't vote for them because mcgrath won't help you when he in fact, is the one who has not helped people in this country when they needed it? >> as you said with trump, it's always projection. he is slurring his words like a stroke victim. it's absolutely true. president trump, when he was in office and if he returns, will not want to aid people who he perceives not having voted for him. to give an example, he said to general kelly that he wanted to move the u.s. navy out of hawaii because hawaii was a blue state and kelly had to explain that are pacific fleet

is based there, he's just completely transactional in his view of what should be done. apparently trump was unaware what happened at pearl harbor. >> kevin! kevin! who are the people that are propping up this man, i'm not talking about the voters, i'm talking about the people who work going in there taking a check from trump every day, what is going on. >> i don't know if that was rhetorical or not -- >> the jesuits taught me to always assume good intentions and others so i will continue

to do so. i don't understand why they support him. i think if they had to deal with the man in person, they would change their opinion. i remember in one oval office meeting he was demanding that we bomb mexico with b-52s. he's not a well man. >> i think part of the answer, though, symone, the question was about staff but i think it's broader, it's about who will benefit from a trump administration which is why the project 2025, two privatize fema, it shows a willful misunderstanding of how this actually works. and you start to get a sense of who and what is interested in that type of privatization. >> speechless. >> olivia, that was for you. >> take that point because i

think it's a good point that alicia puts on the table. >> i'm glad that you brought that up. it reminds me of living crisis after crisis inside the white house on my team. i think there was a fundamental lack by a lot of these people on how emergency response works and they don't care. and so i think they are looking at it now from the lens of having lived it firsthand and they're trying to push their very personal agenda on very extreme views, and what i saw in the aftermath of crises was that we were responding and there's definitely a process that exists, but every single time it was donald trump would break that process and go outside of the process and i sought during covid when they set up a shadow task force, and i think when you look at project 2025, they are talking about getting noaa, so when you

think about that, who is going to warn the general public -- >> and i just say joe biden and kamala harris, they are making sure that people get what they need. and people can go to disaster assistance.gov. i can't, i can't. >> you can see the seriousness and reference when olivia talks about the work that she once did, she understands the stakes of this, they understand that dismantling these institutions have impacts on people's lives and you want people in government who actually care about the work they are tasked with doing. it's like living in the upside down. thank you both so much for being with us.

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we were just chatting in the break, the three of us, they open up our mics so we could do a group chat. >> just so you know, she basically had her head like this. like i can't.

>> it's not the energy drink i have this morning, olivia and kevin had stories about the president of the united states, former president, and i want people to know, those conversations are not normal. i was a senior advisor to vice president harris, i have very many stories about conversations that were held, i don't have any stories about joe biden threatening to pull resources -- >> the fact that he didn't know the history of the country. i mean, he didn't know that we had a pacific fleet station. >> you don't need to have been privately behind the scenes to have the stories, he is out on the staff.

to you he is and talking about how in california, he's going to solve the water problem and just take the fire money away from governor newsom. you don't need to be in these meetings to have the stories, you can just -- >> here's the question then, why isn't that enough for people to understand, this is not what a president should be or what a president should be doing, and why do they blow past all of that, i take your point earlier, symone, about getting that voice out, people hearing donald trump, and the media having the dance about do we play him or do we not. but even if we do play him, people don't care, they genuinely don't care. the president of the united states is talking about bombing mexico and doesn't know where our pacific fleet is station, hawaii, and yet, that doesn't seem to resonate with you.

and you still look at kamala harris and go, i just don't know what she's going to do. i'll be honest with you, what i hear coming from trump, i know it's not going to be that. >> i can tell you, she's not doing any of that. michael, i think it boils down to, something that we've talked about, how people, how the media apparatus has covered this election. how we talk about the issues across the board. how sometimes trump is framed up in a nice neat bow, in a way that frankly, joe biden, vice president harris, barack obama, did not get those same types of frame ups, if you will, and it makes him sound more coherent, more serious than he actually is. i think he is serious about what he says he's going to do.

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media. tomorrow, 10:00 p.m. eastern, to the into the last word for bob woodward live tv interview to discuss his new book, war. vice president harris and more. 10:00 p.m. eastern at msnbc. good morning. >> good morning to all of you. i hope you have yourselves a great rest of your day and a great weekend. you put a lot of hours this weekend. i've enjoyed it. >> we are looking forward to watching you and hearing you in the car. >> until it becomes naptime. velshi starts now. good morning. it is sunday october 13th. take a look at these life pictures coming in from florida right now. president biden has just landed on the gulf coast of florida where he will be