eastern, to the into the last word for bob woodward live tv interview to discuss his new book, war. vice president harris and more. 10:00 p.m. eastern at msnbc. good morning. >> good morning to all of you. i hope you have yourselves a great rest of your day and a great weekend. you put a lot of hours this weekend. i've enjoyed it. >> we are looking forward to watching you and hearing you in the car. >> until it becomes naptime. velshi starts now. good morning. it is sunday october 13th. take a look at these life pictures coming in from florida right now. president biden has just landed on the gulf coast of florida where he will be spending the

next few hours talking to people, surveying the damage there. this is tampa where the president has landed. the president did activate federal aid to florida long before the storm made landfall earlier this week. the damage has been pretty significant between the storm at helene, which moved its way through the southeast. there are more than 200 people dead. we will continue to monitor president biden's visit to florida over the course of the next two hours. there are just 23 days left until election day. the presidential race couldn't be any tighter than it is. a brand-new national poll released this morning shows that in a head-to-head matchup, kamala harris and donald trump are an absolute deadlock. the two candidates are tied at 48% each, which means the trump has erased the postdebate bump that harris received in last month's poll where she jumped ahead of trump by five points. feris campaign knows it's got a lot of work to do. it hopes to

shore up its support in atrial swing states noticeably wall. that is michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania. these are three critical states for democrats and offer harris one of her best paths to victory, which is what she and tim walz have multiple campaign events planned throughout this region every single day during the coming week. one of the campaign's goals at this stage is to reach out to male voters in the hope of closing the y gender gap that currently this in the presidential race. 55% of women back harris compared only 41% of men. the reverse is true for trump. he was sees the support of only 40% of the women surveyed in the poll. now, republicans have struggled with women voters since the supreme court overturned roe v wade in 2022, and that continues to be true this election cycle where abortion is one of the top issues on

voters minds. trump and the gop have never been able to recover. in fact, it's only been exacerbated by the controversial statements jenny vance has made in the past, which helps to explain why trump's campaign is making significant efforts to reach out to young male voters in that. as a demographic the campaign believes it can appeal to. it's one that historically doesn't turn out to vote in big numbers. the republican nominee has made appearances on podcast and youtube shows popular young men. which is a pro trump super pack started by the richest man in the world, elon musk. america has put out ads targeting young men and is giving them to dissipate in this year's election. the pack also made headlines this week and when they started offering $47 payout for anybody who can get a registered swing state voter to sign a petition pledging to support the first

and second amendments. easy money, to quote mask. the tesla ceo initially backed florida governor ron desantis during the republican primary. he was previously hesitant to publicly endorse president trump, what is now one of the highest profile backers and not just allies. last weekend, musk made a surprise appearance during his return to butler, pennsylvania, ray shooter attempted to assassinate the former president over the summer. this is musk jumping up and down behind trump. as a token of grown closer, his politics to become more champion. he's been platforming the former president start rhetoric regarding border security and election interference. like trump, must've taken up the habit of calling trump in communist garb and falsely claiming that harris, quote, vows to be a communist dictator on day one.

as a result of their growing friendship, trump has said that if elected, he would create a so-called government deficient the committee, he would tap trump to lead it. his goal would be to conduct a complete performance audit of the federal government and make recommendations for drastic reforms.". now, this proximity to power is really the crux of the matter here. his political shift is due in part to scrutiny that his businesses have faced under the biden administration. over the past few years, multiple government agencies have taken numerous actions against his companies. those actions include a lawsuit filed by the justice department alleging that space ask discriminated against refugees and asylum seekers in its hiring process.

the epa file that they violated the clean water act when it released pollutants into bodies of water nearest texas facility. the national labor relations board see tesla last year for discouraging workers from unionizing. the national traffic safety administration has been ongoing ongoing investigation and the list goes on. musk stands to personally and professionally benefit with his alliance for trump, and that might also serve the interest of his business partners and his peers in the tech industry. let's talk about this some more with the special correspondent for vanity fair, and at msnbc political analyst and roger mcnamee, cofounder of elevation partners in a former adviser mark zuckerberg. is also the author of the book waking up to the facebook catastrophe. restart with you, because there may be some people who are largely unclear as to why elon musk and the connection between

peter teal, the tech investor, and jd vance this. why sort of silicon valley and the tech industry, but musk in particular, seem to become such strong trump's of orders? >> i think the problem at its root is that these companies are so large which, in the case of twitter, hundreds of millions of active users, and in case of meta-and google, 3 billion each, that they believe they should not be subject to the rules of any country. and trump is offering them a path to that in the united states. and it's really important, because in the process of gaining massive wealth and influence, these companies have routinely broken the law. we've operated the last 40 years in an environment where companies had a duty only to their shareholders. and when you tell a company there's only one thing you need focus on, they are literally going to run over literally everything else gets about one. and musk and google, microsoft,

amazon, that is what they have done routinely. and the biden administration, to its enormous credit, has pushed back on that. using existing laws. now, the challenge we face of musk in particular is there's a of existing laws that we are currently not enforcing that should govern his behavior. for whatever reason, we chosen not to go after the richest man in the world, presumably because he's the richest man in the world. >> exactly. rogers point is interesting. there are many of us who think that actually, we should possibly have some new laws around social media and things like that. we are not sure what they are. we haven't discussed this enough as a society. musk seems to be all about not having existing laws enforced, and he's going to be holding some kind of senior government position. what could go wrong? >> right, and he also controls us satellite, space travel,

chargers for electric vehicles. no, the man is a monolith. the thing i want to say about tech companies for a minute is, as a journalist, we produced mountains of free content, right? tech companies like x, like face, they drove local news out of business, right? so now we don't have the local news that we need to warn people about hurricanes, about, you know, about all of the things that people need. and instead, we have these giant companies where there is no content moderation at all. so there is no -- there is no one sorting through it to tell you what is true about fema, where you can get your financial relief, and where you can't. so we have -- are really at the mercy of these tech giant, because the government never enacted regulation, and never, you know, but the regulation that was in lace on these companies.

>> roger, you have often made this connection. you said that democracy depends on an and warmed electric, right? we think it depends on the legal right to vote, but in fact an informed directory. you made the argument that social media has worked against that. it never been clear why. part of it is just money, right? this just cheaper to spread nonsense. because nonsense and salacious contents breads better than solid information does. but what is at the root now? with these companies having gone through the threat of regulation for certain years, and now seems like, well, let's get trump in the power and no one will regulate us about anything? >> i think that is fundamentally correct. and if you look, the threat keeps metastasizing and getting much, much more dangerous. so with facebook and instagram in 2016, it was about using this information to suppress the vote of all groups of people

within individual states. in 2020, it was about organizing an insurrection. and about violently opposing not just the transfer of power, but also things like the pandemic response that the government had. this time, all of this is about essentially creating and maintaining an alternate reality in which the maga people can operate. meanwhile, trump and his cronies are out there suppressing the vote of everyone else by giving democrats thrown off the voter rolls by threatening people who were immigrants but are now americans citizens, you know, you see all this going on, and from the tech guys perspective, they are all people who either want to live on mars, in the face of musk, or on some island, in the case of zuckerberg. these guys aren't sitting there worrying about civilization. they are not worried about anybody but the towels.

they are convinced that they will somehow be protected from whatever happens. the problem with all this is, again, take musk in particular. he is credibly accused of jacking the price up for starling terminals during a flood, right? so you got all these people in a state of emergency, and he is priced gouging. with the core issue here is that he is a government contractor with national security contract. there are rules that govern the political action of those people, and he is not being judged according to those rules. is being allowed to do whatever he wants. and what he wants to do is to read falsehoods, to spread lies on behalf of trump, the guy he is a party, who is in fact the guy who attacked the government, who gives them the military contract that are key to some of his businesses. i'm looking at all of this, and you been on this for seven years knowing comics use me, at

some point, this country has to stand up for democracy, or were going to lose it. >> the problem is, i'm not sure everybody makes this connection between the damage that these companies can do to social media, to democracy. and how that affects their boat . in other words, i'm not sure anybody realizes, we have an administration -- we have an administration that is actually using it testing law to try and impose some guardrails around social media. i don't know that anybody does that wouldn't make it onto the top 20 of anybody's reasons to vote. and so it becomes one of these things where we don't understand the harm that is to come of donald trump and having no rains on the tech industry. but that might happen. >> oh, i think we are here, right? donald trump is, you know, he is setting the table for something, right? this rhetoric about immigrants is going somewhere, right? and you saw those people with the science that said mass

deportation now. that is going somewhere, right? and he said he is going to rule as an audit at. so, you know, fake crisis, mass deportation now. guy who is going to run as an autocrat. history has shown us -- >> that ends badly. and that's a good point. elon musk is surprising to some. they may not know everything about his contract, but they know you just have to hang out on x a little while because he has an algorithm that makes sure everyone sees everything he ever post. some crazy stuff, roger. in the past, we talked about the various goals for people who don't seem hourly nefarious. he has dropped that mask being a normal guy who likes democracy. >> interestingly enough, he is a person who joked or perhaps was serious about the fact that they may have come into the country illegally, right? it is an interesting fact that

the people were talking about, which include musk, but also the head of fox news, all people who come to america and got american citizenship. and yet the very ideas that they are espousing are pulling a ladder up on everyone else who would like to come to america and be part of this extraordinary x merriment. i look at all of this, and the keeping with musk is that he has shown you -- he has essentially shown you what you look on valley has been about for at least the last eight years. and he showing it to you without any disguise. and we are sitting there acting as though there's nothing we can do about it, which is ridiculous. there are a zillion things we can do about it. the key thing is, you i saw peter baker on msnbc talking about the fact that they can't really worry about the things trump does. i'm going, wait a minute. what about the 40% of americans who don't normally vote?

aren't we supposed to be sure that they understand that, hey, if you don't vote this time, but that probably means you are not voting again. i look at all is what is going on and i go, we really should have a sense of urgency here. molly very thoughtfully characterized that a moment ago. the things they're telling us are not talk. they are a plan. and the silicon valley guys are in on it. >> well, you're both been yelling at this from the top of the mountains, so i hope people listen to it. thank you to both of you. molly fast, host of the fast politics. roger mackey is the founder and former adviser to mark zuckerberg and author of waking up to the facebook catastrophe. coming up, donald trump claim should he become president again he will invoke more powers to execute what will be the largest deportation and history. not only should we listen when he says these things, we should believe him.

a look back on trump's cruelest immigration policy and how it might inform his new policies. also, dangerous disinformation begins to spread about the hurricanes that hit the southeast last week. which was hit particularly hard by hurricane helene, says this is on help will and he to stop. i will talk to him next on velshi. velshi. (♪♪) [child laughing] (♪♪) [child giggling with delight] (♪♪) (♪♪) ♪ ooooh. ooooh. ♪ ♪ ooooh. ooooh. ♪

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north carolina. some estimate it could take up to three months to get these working again, but right now, they are completely unusable, and it isn't just vital transportation infrastructure that is struggling. helene also hit a medical manufacturing plant in the city of maryland and it has an impact. supply 60% of the countries i.v. fluids. the clinical director at one north carolina hospital has had to make the difficult decision to start rationing or supply. >> we knew we had to do something to conserve, so are procedures that are on the gradual that are considered non- life-threatening, we decided that we would postpone those. >> widespread government effort in north carolina to recover from the disaster. it's coming from all levels of government. the states democratic governor roy cooper just cited expansive $273 million relief bill that aims to help shift supplies to those who need it, continue

paying school workers, and make sure election officials have what they need coming election day. that's a huge issue as well when you're recovering from a disaster. as huge swaths of the southeast grapple with the aftermath of now two monstrous hurricanes, some politicians are playing politics with this recovery. >> here's what's really bad. they got hit, especially north carolina and parts of georgia. but north carolina really got hit. i will tell you what -- those people should never vote for a democrat because they held back aid. they were so bad. >> donald trump also made false claims that the federal government didn't have enough money to respond to the devastation because fema funds were given away to migrant. that is just not true. all of this disinformation is forced government agencies and even lawmakers the elves to divert time and energy away from helping lawmakers in need.

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western north carolina that we will be rebuilding for months and years to come. >> on top of dealing with the active disaster, you are taking on this disinformation stuff that has been really spreading like another storm, like a wildfire about the recovery effort. there are theories about geo- engineering storms, fema seizing private land. can you tell me what is going on here? is this still spreading as badly as it was? i saw fema had to put up a page to dispel rumors about fema. >> yeah, it is still taking place, but not nearly to the level that it was before. i sent out my press release and my statement dispelling those myths. we are still seeing the effects of some of those rumors as well. yesterday, we had two counties where folks reported with different militia groups attacking and threatening fema.

we just -- we just need this to stop so that we can focus our efforts on the recovery efforts here. >> we had a conversation about how some of these things can stop, because once they take the social media, it is kind of impossible to stop them. the part being spread for political reasons can stop. >> i think it needs to stop on every level. i believe we need to deal with this crisis from a basis of fact . not necessarily conjecture and rumor. >> why do these things take hold? when i first saw the running around, i thought to myself, no one is going to believe this stuff. and they did. enough that people like you have to get out here and have these conversations, which i appreciate you being on for me,

but you actually have work to do in your constituents see. why did this take hold the way it did? >> i believe that the root cause is so many people's reliance in what they see on the internet. what they see on face book and on capital acts. many folks, particularly in a time right now where there is not reliable communication from network tv get their news, they get their information from social media. there are so many folks out there that take it upon themselves and make it a hobby to see how outrageous they can be in order to get clicks and in order to get likes. and i attribute so much more of this to good old-fashioned storytelling as well. you know, at some point in our lives, we've all seen the exercise were one person was asked to whisper a story to the next person and then to the

next, and then to the next. after five or six iterations of that, the story turns into something totally different. >> you remember the house budget appropriations committee. very important committee. can you help us with the disinformation about fema, fema money to hurricane victims, fema's healing land, fema resettling migrants, not paying for hurricane relief? >> well, i will begin with the fact, it is knows a that we have an open border. it's no secret that the harris and biden administration has refused to secure our border. there's no question that there have been funds that should be used for disaster relief, like here in western north carolina, being funneled towards helping illegal immigrants. as far as the rest of the rumor, i found

fema to be responsive and helpful, although they have been slow. it took way too long to get fema into western north carolina. there are a number of clunky parts of how fema is responding, too. i am working daily to address and get the people here in western north carolina the help that they need. once we get back into washington, d.c., i believe we need to have a much more broad discussion on how efficient fema is, or how inefficient i have seen that to be in so many cases here. >> you might have issue here with what the biden harris administration does in terms of spending on migrants, just to be very clear, there's no part of the fema budget that was redirected for anything to do with migrants? >> well, the term redirect is something that i think that is very specific. i have not seen a redirection,

as many folks have alleged. fema has plenty of money right now to deal with the crisis at hand here in the short term. the house appropriations committee proved -- in fact, the house approved $20 billion before we adjourned for the october work period, which left fema with $22 billion. i don't think they are going to be out of money any times. in fact, the last time i received a rep worked, they have used about 1% of that funding, which should get us well into the time that the house returns to session where they can then take up the issue of funding the government for the remainder of this fiscal year. probably also in the form of a supplemental to help north carolina and florida and georgia rebuild. >> stay in close touch with us about this rebuilding.

you for your time this morning. we wish you and your can ditch the best. chuck edwards represents the asheville area. moments ago, vice president kamala harris departed raleigh airport en route to the city of greenville. she scheduled to attend a campaign event in which she will participate in a church service and then deliver remarks. when someone shows you how they are, believe them the first time. that's especially true when it comes to former president donald trump. we want to look back at some of the dangerous policies implemented the first time around. one of the cruelest areas was child separations. these images of migrant children in cages were sealed into our minds. the policy and the cruelty behind it is the subject of an upcoming msnbc the documentary executive produced by msnbc's jacob sober off. we will get into that next. nex

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deportation, that is not just rhetoric and fear mongering. it is important that we believe him the first time. and when it comes to immigration policy, the cruelty is the point. let's re-examine perhaps the cruelest trump era immigration policy, child separation. or is the trump administration called it, zero tolerance. then attorney general jeff sessions announced the policy and san diego in dry legalese. every adult across the southwestern border illegally would face execution and attention, which meant that they came with children, those children had to be taken elsewhere. in public facing rhetoric, sessions and the rest of trump's white house would suggest child separation was a byproduct of their zero- tolerance policy. but in fact, it was the other way around. breaking families apart was a point. it was meant to act as a

deterrent to come at all. laura ingram caught jeff sessions admitting as much in 2018. >> is it a deterrent sir? are you considering it a deterrent? >> i say the fact that no one was prosecuted for this as a factor and a fivefold increase in four years in this kind of illegal immigration. so yes, hopefully people will get the message and come through the border at the port of entry and not break across the border unlawfully. >> so get the message. if you come here illegally, we won't we throw you out. we won't simply prosecute you. first, we will take your children away. still, as journalists poked and prodded on the policy, would it look like remained unclear, too we pulled back and began to the bigger picture. reporters, but not cameras, were allowed into casa padre, a former walmart in brownsville,

tex, converted into a shelter for 1400 migrant boys aged 10 to 17. jake went in with just a small notebook and came out on the other side to tell chris hayes what he saw. >> chris, i have been inside a federal prison before, i've been in several county jails. this place is called a shelter, but effectively, these kids are incarcerated. >> and we would soon see and hear for ourselves. there is this video released from customs and border protection of a processing enter in mcallen texas. these images now seared into the mind of all of us, of children as young as he wrote four years old, literally in cages. and then there was the audio. it was reportedly recorded inside a u.s. customs and border protection facility that was separating children from their parents. and a warning, this is hard to hear.

hear. more than 4500 children were separated from their parents as a result of trump's zero- tolerance policy . the cruelty of this policy was evidence, particularly for those being forced implemented. and a new documentary, separation by errol morris based on the book of the same

name, former employees of the office of refugee settlement tell there's dori of how their whole office was reoriented to begin child separation. >> the unaccompanied children program, which i work in, was essentially hijacked for a purpose for which it was never intended, nor authorized in law. it was a program designed to be a child protection rogue river children entering the united states without parents, and wasn't that used as a tool to take children from their parents. >> public protest reached a fever pitch, to the extent that on june 20th, 2018, donald trump signed the policy out distance. sort of. it took an order from a judge to mandate the trump administration to make an attempt to reunify the thousands of children it had ripped from their parents. the administration said they had a central database that they would use to reunite these families. but nbc reported at the time the no such database of this

date. is not enough information about many of the children to even be reunited with her parents. and still to this day, the u.s. government is operating a reunification task force. in april of this year, there were still more than 1400 children who had yet to be unified with their parents. sloppy cruel policy. sloppy, cruel result. jacob says in the film that this policy was always going to produce permanent orphans. >> what i came to learn after visiting these facilities is that they were all warned. this is exactly what would happen if you separated, creating permanent orphans was a worst-case area. >> 20 after the break is oscar- winning documentary filmmaker errol morris and msnbc's jacob who wrote the book that the film is based off of. of.

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>> before the break, we look back at the family separation policy which is now the subject of a new msn be filled called separated. an outline by errol morris and director of separated and jacob soboroff, nbc news political and national correspondent and the executive producer of

separated, which is based on his book of the same name. it's on theaters right now. thank you very much for being here this morning. jacob, thank you. i was there when you are doing all this work day today. we were learning it literally from you as it was on holding. our minds, we couldn't get our heads around what was going on, and then we saw that imagery. let me start with a point that the film makes at the very end. no spoilers here, but it's to the broader point we are making with this whole concept of belief donald trump the first time. there is nothing in law that prevents zero-tolerance from being implemented again on day one when donald trump becomes president again, correct? >> that is absolutely correct. what is important to underscore and what errol underscores in the film is that he hasn't said whether or not he won't do it again. in other works, they have not

disavowed the policy that was called by a george w. bush appointed judge stopped the policy, as he readily pointed out in the last segment, one of the most shameful chapters in the history of our country. and as you were saying, i wrote the book because when we were covering this altogether, i didn't understand how the u.s. government could do this. and errol morris and i share some of the same concerns to this day, which i think is why he wanted to turn this into a film. and he does it in the most extraordinarily beautiful, i think it's fair to say, way, in a way that only errol morris can. >> congratulations and thank you for being here. this film, spending a lot of time with people who worked at dhs and hhs and the office of refugee resettlement, who took issue with this policy and pushed back. when you look at who trump surrounds himself with now, is

there a likelihood that those kinds of -- i mean, cross government, were going to see people who push back or are likely to push back just eliminated. i worry about that, that the second time could be easier because the pushback people you focus on in the film may not be around. >> it could be really, truly horrible the second time around. the people who love this policy, despite all of what they learned about the cruelty of the policy, are still around, and in all likelihood will likely have major positions, god for bid there's another trump administration. but yes, they would have major positions in that administration. >> jacob, as i was reading that introduction, the thing that makes me choke up is the idea that there are 1300 children will separated from their families. this concept of record-keeping being sparse. it doesn't have to be that way, but this was such a cockeyed

scheme that i get it. i get why, separated the kids, we will deal with this later. >> that was not the idea. the idea was to avoid records. >> it is unfathomable. 1300 kids still to this day separated from their parents in america in 2024. it's a deep offense to our sensibilities, jacob. >> i read a review this morning the call that a forensic examination, and it is literally that. it's also a forensic examination of what it likely they were doing. and one of the things that you will see when you watch the movie, it's exposed to literally thousands and thousands of emails from journalists like -- and many, many others who focused on this policy, but what they went through is that this is exactly what they intended to do. there were point in time where there were list that detailed

and chronicled all of the children who had been separated by the u.s. government. there was an official in the u.s. government, scott lloyd, he was a political appointee, but with the career officials within the office of refugee resettlement, there were conversations about whether or not they would keep the list of the first place. no spoilers, but one of the most dramatic moments in the movie. and sort of one of the most critical points in the art of this story about family separation because they knew what they were doing. they knew what the lack of record-keeping meant for these children, and the viewer we would ultimately be today, which, as you said, as many as 1400 children have confirmed reunification with the u.s. government at this moment. >> you said something very early on, that the point was cruelty, and i believe that's absolutely correct. the question for the american public, the question for all of us, is do we want government

policies based on meanness, based on cruelty? we have seen an administration of race baiting. we went to a civil rights movement. i thought we all learned something about racial equality and the treatment of other people. and yet we seem to be backsliding into something truly horrible. >> the rhetoric of the past few weeks would not give you the impression that we have learned something. we are back there. you know, you've done a lot with material that in some cases is limited. the film includes three creations of what it would have been like for a mother and a son to go through the process of coming to america and being separated and incarcerated. talk to me about your decision to put that imagery into the film, versus using only news footage. >> as a filmmaker, you use every tool available to you. for me, there's nothing off- limits. we use emails, we use

photographs. we use dramatic scenes. we use interviews. you name it. it is the kitchen sink approach to filmmaking. anything that i can use that tells a story and brings us into contact with these policies and what really did happen during the trump administration to me is fair game. >> we were not allowed to bring our cameras inside those facilities. there is no footage of parents being separated by their children. what errol has done with an extraordinary team, including the oscar-winning production designer that did pans labyrinth and also roma and the mother in this film, just an extraordinary actress, is get to the emotional work that only the families will one day be able to describe. he does it in this unbelievable narrative form that is honestly my favorite part of the muni. >> we think we know the story

because we were all there what was happening, but there are things in here that were first breaking when jacob was getting tours of these facilities. we learned about the conditions of migrant children kind of piece by piece. nobody is actually told me the whole story until jacob wrote this book and you made this film. what did you learn that you didn't know? what did you learn for the first time when we all this together? what was a take away that you didn't have? >> the whole idea that parents were forced to betray their children. it's hard to imagine anything much worse. but there is a scene where we see a mother trying to comfort a child unsuccessfully because the child leaves his mother abandoned him. his mother abandoned him, but because the u.s. government would hurt in a position where a child is

forcibly separated from him. we are talking about nursing infants that were taken away from their numbers. numbers. you can agree that there's a problem with immigration but the way to solve these problems is not to beat up on people. >> it's a compassionate film, i it's an important film. i'm grateful to the two of you, both for making it and being with us this morning. president biden is in florida right now where within the hour he is set to give remarks after meeting with first responders and local residents affected by hurricane milton. we will continue to keep you abreast of his movements on the