right now, the presidential campaign feels a little bit like everything, everywhere, all at once. kamala harris is on the child

today in north carolina, bill clinton and barack obama are out campaigning for her, a donald trump is ratcheting that disinformation machine up to 11. james carville is here to cut through the bs as only he can. plus, our friend neil sounding the alarm about transplant to steal this election, he is going to join me here in studio to talk about it. and later, senator mark kelly on arizona, and senator tammy baldwin on the fight of her political life with control of the senate hanging in the balance point >> [ music ] okay, everyone, we have just over three weeks until election day, so let's start with the good news. people are voting across the country. the harris campaign has far more money than trunk, a far better organization. she and her running mate tim walz i have been all over the media for the last week and have more plants in the weeks

ahead, and right now, she has two incredibly popular former presidents on the trail for her. former president bill clinton who is campaigning for harris in georgia today, former president barack obama was in pennsylvania and will continue campaigning for harris in arizona and nevada this week but and the vice president herself is campaigning in north carolina today ahead of stops in the midwest in the coming days. and we could hear from harris alive this hour but if we do, we will bring that to you. we are going to watch it very closely. the point is this, the harris- walz team, they are pulling out all the stops, they have tons of people out there, tons of money, they have an amazing organization, that is all good news. now, here is absolutely mindbending part we have to just acknowledge in this moment. somehow, this race is extremely close. a new national poll out just this morning from nbc news shows the candidates tied at 48% each. and look at, as i have told you many times before, i don't put a lot of stock, neither do

national campaigns, neither does the harris-walz campaign international poll numbers but what they are watching more, what i am watching more, what you should watch more closely are the battleground states, and they are very, very close across the board, too. so, if you're sitting on your couch right now, wondering, how on earth could this race be tied, believe me, you're not alone. that is probably the most common question i get everywhere. now, as imperfect as pulling can be, and it is imperfect, there are some interesting clues in the numbers that may be tough to hear, but are important to talk about and be clear about right now, given the stakes of this election, how close it is. because right now, harris has lower than expected support among latino voters, and among another key democratic voting block, black men. and what may feel even more perplexing to you about where the race stands is that this race is not happening in a vacuum or in normal times. between two candidates running a normal race, talking about differences on policy issues.

it is happening between a well- qualified sitting vice president, who speaks very passionately about fighting for the rights of americans and protecting the constitution, and another guy who spent the week generating headlines that in any other time in american politics would have been disqualified, each of them. i mean, trunk continued to lie about the disaster responses to hurricanes helene and milton, to the detriment of people in the states, and just last night, he threatened to do what you falsely accused the biden administration of doing, denying the disaster relief to a state that needs it for political purposes. last night, he also said a female heckler at his rally should get the heck knocked out of her, that is literally in his words. this week, he also continued to demonize migrants, saying they are genetically predisposed to violence. and if that all wasn't enough, everyone, in a new book from legendary reporter bob woodward that also came out this week, we learned that sean's own former chairman of the joint

chiefs of staff called trump a fascist to the corporate and honestly, it is not difficult to see why general millie believes that, given the completely apocalyptic language trump is using to frame the race. >> it is the enemy from within. all the scum that we have to deal with that hate our country, that is a bigger enemy than china and russia. you cannot get into a hospital, by the way, because the migrants have all of the beds. you cannot get into a hospital. you cannot get your kids into a school because there are migrants there that don't even speak the language, it's unbelievable. because of biden and kamala, they're getting precedence over your children. we will defend our civilization, we will not be conquered, we will not be occupied, we will not be invaded, we will reclaim our sovereignty. we will reclaim our nation. and i will give back your freedom and give back your life. >> i mean, all of that is

insane. but if you were the harris campaign, how exactly do you run against a guy with three weeks left whose closing argument is focused on amping up his own violent and bigoted rhetoric? someone who avoids all forms of accountability in campaigns, whether it is speaking and facts or releasing his medical records, or even participating in a debate, so people can see the contrast between the candidates. what do you do about that? as long time democratic strategist james carville said this week, time is short, really short. no kidding, it's just three weeks left. they need to be more aggressive. they don't strike me as having any kind of killer instinct. they let one fat pitch after another get by. well, you may not agree with that, that's okay, we are going to talk about it. but it must have been music to carville's ears when he heard harris absolutely tee off on trump just yesterday. >> it was clear to me that he and his team do not want the

american people to really see what it is that he is doing and whether or not he actually is fit to do the job of being president of the united states. he is unfit for office. he talks at his rallies about fictional characters. he constantly is in a state of grievance about himself. he has no plans for the american people. and he just makes things up on a full-time basis. i invite the public to be the decision-maker on his acuity. and you will see in his rallies how he goes off on tangents, how he is not focused on the needs of the american people, with solutions to the issues that concern them the most. >> joining me now is legendary democratic strategist james carville, a new documentary about his life in politics called winning is everything stupid just began its

theatrical run in new york city, and the man never ever holds back. by the way, james, i'm so happy to see you, i have been watching the documentary. i know we grew up in different moments of politics, but it is such a reminder to me of how great politics is and how important it is out there. i really have enjoyed it. but that aside, we've got to talk about what is happening right now. so, i just showed a clip from harris, it was pretty tough what she said yesterday. you said you want to see more of that or things like that. what did you think of what she said and what you want to see more of? >> i like that a lot. just think of what we learned in the last 48 hours. we had general flynn say the gates of are going to rain on trump's enemies when he wins. we had general millie say that he is fascist to his core. we heard trump on fox this morning to say he was going to

use the military to round up his political enemies. trump has announced that he will be giving a speech at madison square garden on october 27th. please google madison square garden february 10th, 1939 and see what happened there. they are telling you exactly what they're going to do. they are telling you, we are going to institute a fascist regime, and the press and all the alan dershowitz wannabes out there, [ inaudible ] she doesn't do enough longform interviews. i am so sick of these people, the entire constitution is in jeopardy. the supreme court and clarence thomas have totally greenlighted -- i get it, you could use the military to round up your political enemies, and [ inaudible ] making a giant full of itself right now. >> we love the truth telling. listen, i don't think anybody

should go to the al smith dinner ever, so i'm happy to go to the record on that one. but i do want to play -- you just mentioned this fox clip from this morning, and i think it is so important for people to see what trump is saying. people might not have seen this, so let's just play it to make sure people have seen it. >> in terms of election day, i think the bigger problem are the people from within, we have some very bad people, sick people, radical left lunatics. and it should be very easily handled by, if necessary, by national guard, or if really necessary, by the military. because they can't let that happen. >> i mean, is essentially, to your point, saying the military it should be used. he is telling us what he wants to do. this is not us making it up. but the thing i wanted to ask you about, i mean, you know better than anybody, there are kind of seasons in campaigns and messaging, and you and i talked this summer, i remember, when he was kind of in the stage of harris taking over the nomination, right around when

tim walz was picked, there was a shift to painting trump and his accolades as weird, right? not scaring people. but now it seems like you're saying we should go back to scaring people, because that is what they need to hear. is that what they need in this moment? how do you explain the shift, do you think? let's first of all, i spoke of al smith, i meant in 2010. >> that's okay. [ inaudible ] >> i did not realize when i said that that he would actually go on television and say, i'm going to use the military to round up my political enemies. when i said that, general flynn who is going to be very senior in this administration, didn't say that the gates of will rain on my political enemies. when i said that, i didn't know that he was going to schedule a rally in madison square garden to mimic the nazi rally of february 10th, 1939. so, they are telling you.

and by the way, if they win, they are going to correctly say, we told you in the election what we were going to do and you voted for us, you have greenlighted the whole thing. and if we don't tell people about that, if these young black men -- how do you think they are going to do? if you're a young black male and trump inspired a roundup of people, how well do you think you're going to do at that? you think you've got nothing to lose? how about looking at american history for one time and see what can happen here? and they are telling you, we are not making this up. we can be fact checked by anybody. they have promised military roundup, they have promised the gates of hell will rain on their enemies, the supreme court has greenlighted it. they will ask the question, if a navy s.e.a.l. is ordered to assassinate a political enemy, nothing wrong with that, that is just part of his job.

they are telling you they are doing all of this. pay attention to them right now. please. they are telling you. >> exactly. that is exactly -- that is why i think harris is telling them to watch his rallies. i want to ask you, too, about this. one of the things i think is so hard for the harris-walz campaign right now is that they are dealing with a guy who just lies constantly, all the time. and anybody who has watched the great documentary knows you worked things out with very smart people we all know and have heard of. we watched the war room, we know you like to talk about how to deal with hard challenges in politics. what should they do? what are you talking about with all your smart guru advisers about what they should do about the fact that this diet lies like he breeds? this is not like running against mccain and romney or george w. bush. >> he lies about everything, except he is telling the truth

when he is going to have a roundup. a general flynn is telling the truth when he says the gates of hell are going to rain on his enemies. we already know previously the thing he tried to do, how he tried to involve the military. general millie, you should lock them up, he is one of the most accomplished soldiers in modern history of the united states army. he is highly educated but when he says that trump is a fascist to his bone, believe general millie. believe what is at stake here, and forget about the al smith dinner, forget about longform journalism, forget about specificity in the economic plan or whether or not jack smith is being mean to trump, and focus on what's at stake here. that literally, this election is about the constitution. we are not going to have one if we lose it. and i'm not exaggerating, i would love to debate anybody on that question. >> know. one of the things that you said that stuck out to me, too, and you obviously feel strongly about this, because you talked

about she should stop doing longform interviews, stop answering questions and start asking them, which is a really interesting tactic. people who don't understand what that means, what does that mean, what should she start asking? >> she does four or five. when you interview me, you get to ask the question, i have to respond. that's the way that the rule is. she's answering questions. start asking questions, start asking people about the constitution. start asking people about his pledge to round up american citizens. start asking these very truthful and very important questions. ask people about whether nato should exist. he is telling you that american is a greater threat to the united states and the russians or the chinese or anybody else, that is the level that we are dealing with right now. and it's my job as a communicator, your job as a journalist, to let people know

not what the polls are, but to fill out their knowledge profile to the extent that they know exactly what is at stake in this election. that is our job, as commentators, as journalists, as anything else, that i really believe >> that is certainly what we are trying to do, and one of the reasons i love talking to you, show people what it is like to sit at the table and tried to grapple with these hard questions, which aren't always easy. james carville, thank you so much, your documentary is so enjoyable, i appreciate you doing that. >> so glad you liked it, thank you so much. thank you, thank you. >> absolutely. and coming up, we are going to dive more into what james was just talking about, which is this new book from bob woodward. general millie called trump a fascist to his core. senator mark kelly is going to join me for his reaction to that, but first, jd vance it's five chances to say trump lost in 2020, but he fails all five times. and yesterday, he said the transfer of power was totally

peaceful in 2020. not sure where he was at. the gas lighting is obviously reaching new heights and the warning signs are flashing bright red and of this election in just three weeks. the great neil is standing by and he joins us next. >> when life skills heartburn, how do you spell relief? do you?

i think we all remember how jarring it was to watch jd vance stand on a national debate stage and refused to say that donald trump lost the 2020 election. if you thought that was bad and awkward to watch, get a load of this. >> do believe he lost the 2020

election? >> i think there is an obsession here with focusing on 2020. i am much more worried about what happened after 2020. >> yes or no, did donald trump lose the 2020 election? >> let me ask you a question, is it okay that big technology companies censored the hunter biden laptop story, which independent analysis said cost trump a million. >> senator vance, i'm going to ask you again, did donald trump lose the 2020 election? >> did big tech sensor story that independent studies have suggested would cost trump millions of votes. ex-senator vance, i'm going to ask you again. >> i have answered your question with another question. you answer my question and i will answer yours. >> every time he dodged the question, he got a little spicy and edgy there, we got another reminder of just how concerned we should be as we approach another election in just three weeks, because 2020 was really just a dry run for what they intend to do this time around.

trump loses, they will once again saying he won, obviously. and they will do everything in their power to invalidate a result they don't like, and if new comments jd vance yesterday about the transfer of power are any indication, they will try to guess like us every step of the way. >> look, this is very simple. yes, there was a riot at the capitol on january 6, but there was still a peaceful transfer of power in this country and that is always going to happen. donald trump is committed to it and so am i. x totally peaceful, everyone. you know, except for the whole violent coup at the capitol he really failed to acknowledge. running out his former acting u.s. solicitor general neal katyel, friend of the show, one of the favorites, it is great to see you. let me start here, those remarks from jd vance are chilling over and over again, including saying there was a peaceful transfer of power. the vice president doesn't exactly have technical -- i mean, a technical impact, in terms of certifying the

election, but as you look at the potential here, what are you worried he could do? >> well, i think vance is a barometer for the republican party, and you know me, i am normally a voice of calm, and i am here not as a voice of calm today. i think that what the vice president said, what donald trump has said, what members of the republican party have said, leads me to think there is a calming, massive crisis that is going to occur on november 5th with the election, in which even if kamala harris wins election and wins those battleground states, the trump team is going to declare victory with jd vance at his side, and will pressure courts, they will pressure state legislatures, they will pressure state governors, and they will pressure the united states congress to throw out the popular vote and get this election through shenanigan. >> let's just break down each of the components that could have an impact here. i mean, mike johnson, the current speaker of the house, played a role in 2020, no one knew who he was at the time.

there is the electoral reform act which has been passed, but it is imperfect. what could he and others who are trump acolytes do is to mark >> first of all, remember in 2020, biden won 306-232, electoral college votes. so, when trump challenged in various states, he had to run the table and win a bunch of states, he couldn't just win one. right now, suppose you were showing at the top of the show said it may come down to one state. so, trump only needs to win and flip one place after november 5th in order to have an outsized impact on the election. now, he can do that as you are suggesting in the united states congress, because on january 6, 2025, not 2021, they will count the votes, and yes, congress has passed a new law called the electoral count act of 2022, which is to restrict the types of objections congress can make, but nonetheless, there is a lot of ambiguity in the law, and of

course, the republicans have shown they don't really care about the law, they care about raw power. and so, if a simple majority of the house or the senate say, hey, we don't trust this michigan vote or we don't like what happened in pennsylvania, we don't think it was right, there was fraud, they can attempt to throw out that state altogether and swing the election by themselves and take the boat away from you and me, the american people, and that's what we should be thinking about right now. >> i wanted to talk to you about all of this because i think it is important that people know what to watch for. one of the other challenges is state legislatures, right? the people who are trump acolytes have become a bit more informed, a bit more professional in some ways about this. what are you watching and where are you watching in terms of the state legislatures you are most worried about. >> and watching state legislatures because any under republican control can try to do what they did in 2020 and has a thick slate of electors and send it to washington, d.c. state governors under this 2022

act are supposed to be in charge, not state legislatures, but this date governors could be in on it. you could have a partisan governor who says i'm going to throw out the vote and so, the key point here is trump may only need to win in any of these places, state legislature, state governor, maybe state election board or county election board, which is what trump tried in wayne county, michigan in 2020, or the courts, or the u.s. congress. he has got all of these at play, and as you heard from jd vance, if they can't admit that they lost in 2020, what makes you think even with an overwhelming victory by kamala harris in 2024 that they will acknowledge it? >> neal katyel, you have so much expertise. the supreme court, but i know you have been thinking about this a ton and i know we will talk about it more. i really appreciate you talking to me about it today. coming up, we are keeping a very close eye on a church in north carolina where kamala

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and so forth, but now i realize he is a total fascist. he is the most dangerous person to this country. a fascist to the core! i will never forget the intensity of his worry." again, this is the former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, and then appointed by donald trump, who sat with him countless times in the situation room, intimately aware of the threats facing our country, calling trump the most dangerous person to this country. join me now is mark kelly of arizona, a former navy combat pilot and astronaut, quite an introduction. senator, it is great to see you and i just wanted to start there. there's obviously a lot i want to get to, but i do want to start there. is usurped of course in the military for more than two decades, i'm sure you don't take anything general milley says likely, i certainly don't need what was your reaction to those words and that reporting i just ran through? >> well, i know general milley.

while i was in my first year or so in the senate, he was still the chairman of the joint chiefs. i have tremendous respect for him, and he knows donald trump. and so, this isn't surprising. he knows the former president very well. and you combine that, jen, with the fact that half of his former cabinet members, including his vice president, have not endorsed them. we have sitting u.s. senators that have said they are not going to vote for him. so, i think the message to the american people is that this guy is clearly unfit for office. the amount of damage he did to our country as president is unprecedented, shredding our alliances. general milley is obviously concerned about our country's safety and national security. so, i would take his words seriously here. that donald trump should not be president again, and we need to

work really hard, not only democrats, the independents, republicans need to work really hard over the next 20 something days to make sure that kamala harris is the next president. >> no question about it. there are a lot of reports and a lot of things trump says. i am a believer you have to take him at his word, but there was something in this book i wanted to ask you about. milley and woodward reportedly also discussed the prospect of milley and other generals who are critical of trump being called back up to active duty and court-martialed if trump wins next month. milley said he is saying it and it is not just him, it is the people around him. i want to ask you this, because there is so much news and so much information out there, i just don't want to overreact or over exaggerate, but you think that is something that could happen and is there anything we can do to stop it or anything that can be done to stop it? >> well, i served 25 years in the navy, i am a retired navy captain.

if you're retired from the military, you can be called back to active duty for a number of reasons. so, it is not like that threat is unfounded and not difficult to do. i mean, there is a mechanism in place to bring retired members back. once you retire from the military, you're getting a pension, a paycheck, you can be called back for a number of reasons, even other national security reasons. so, sure, i would be concerned. he has made it very clear that a second presidency of donald trump would be one of retribution. he has said that. >> no question. take him at his word, i guess that is the lesson we are all living by at this moment. i wanted to shift to just the state of the race. there is a new nbc news poll that shows the race pretty much tied nationally, i don't put a lot of stock in national polls,

i care most about what is happening in states like your state. in arizona, there are recent polls that show trumpets up by about five points over kamala harris. the new york times siena poll. polls are imperfect, as you know, but you have a sense of what is going on on the ground. do you think that is about right? are there areas where your concern? and what word you think the harris-walz team could be doing to kind of regain that ground three weeks away from the election? >> well, i think we are doing what we need to do, which is organizing. just this past weekend, we knocked on 26,000 doors, made a half a million phone calls, we are reaching out to all different and very diverse communities. the tribal nations, latinos, even the lds community. there is an lds organization for vice president harris, republicans, we are doing events across the state. i am confident she is going to

win arizona. it is going to be close, though. it was close in 2020 with the biden-harris ticket, won by 10,000 votes. i think we are talking about thousands of votes. but we have got 20 field offices, we have got thousands of volunteers, hundreds of staff, we are doing the work. ultimately, a state like arizona and other battleground states, it is probably going to come down to less than 1%. and jen, this isn't rocket science. if it was rocket science, i could help. but all this is about is which team works harder, you know, which campaign works harder. and i know here in arizona, i can't really speak for the trump campaign, but for democrats and folks that want vice president harris to be the next president and want to move on from donald trump, we are putting in the work. people should be concerned about a close election. so, i want to encourage folks that are out there, if they are a little bit nervous about how this is going to go and it being so tight, they can go on

the website, they can sign up for a shift, they can start knocking on doors and making phone calls, because that is the difference between winning and losing. >> senator mark kelly, i always enjoy talking to you, thank you so much for joining me today. >> thank you, jen. coming up, kamala harris is speaking right now in north carolina during a campaign through that have anne state today. we are keeping an eye on that and we will let you know if she makes any news. up next, donald trump calls for a news organization to lose its broadcasting license. as his campaign works with elon musk to suppress damaging information on twitter. for all that talk about being free-speech workers, these guys sure don't mind a little censorship when it suits them. some thoughts about that when we come back. n we come back. lost her card, not the vibe. the soul searcher, is finding his identity, and helping to protect it. hey! oh yeah, the explorer! she's looking to dive deeper... all while chase looks out for her.

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if you noticed that throughout this campaign, donald trump has basically been masquerading as a champion of the first amendment. he and his allies like elon

musk have argued that a trump administration would protect free speech from what they claim is a looming threat of censorship. >> i will destroy the illegal censorship regime and bring back free-speech in america. i will bring back free-speech in america because it has been taken away. if we don't have free speech, then we just don't have a free country. >> the other side wants to take away your freedom of speech. >> we actually do have a threat to democracy in this country, but unfortunately, it is not a threat to democracy that kamala harris and tim walz want to talk about, it is the threat of censorship. >> the censorship cartel must be dismantled and destroyed and it must happen immediately. >> but here's the thing, the only free-speech truck cares about is his own. and for all those claims about censorship, they certainly seem to like it. i mean, just this week, we learned that trump's folks

collaborated with elon musk's team at twitter, now known as x of course, to suppress material that might hurt trump's chances in november. the new york times says after a report's publication of packed trump campaign information last month, the trump campaign enacted with x to prevent this, x eventually come applied, blocking the material and suspending the reporter who posted it. but here's the thing, remember, elon musk that has defended all sorts of vile things on his platform, all sorts of untruthful things on his platform in the name of free speech, including disinformation about voting, about vaccines, and more recently, about hurricane relief. and it's only now that he seems to be drawing a line. the fact is these guys seem to appreciate the first amendment when it benefits them. i mean, donald trump is so fixated on an editorial decision made by cbs in a "60 minutes" interview that he is starting to revoke their broadcasting license.

that of course follows threat to do the same to abc after the debate he bombed last month, all because they fact checked his lies with truth. and this is nothing new. i mean, time and time again, trump has shown nothing but contempt for free speech. he has leveled more threats like those than i can count, not only against the news networks, but any person, organization, or institution that challenges him. his ego is apparently so fragile, he simply doesn't believe his critics are entitled to have a voice. >> we certainly don't want to stifle free speech, but that is no longer free-speech. so, to me, free-speech is not when you see something good, then you purposely write bad, to me that is very dangerous speech. these are just democrats that want to try and demean this country. and it shouldn't be allowed. >> do you think that there's too much protection allowed in the first amendment question >> well, in england, they have a system where you can actually sue if somebody says something

wrong. it is a fraudulent speech, what you did is incredible and it shouldn't be allowed. they shouldn't even be allowed to do what they do because it is so corrupt. these people should be put in jail, the way they talk about our judges and our justices. >> i mean, clearly, trump has no problem exercising his own right to speak his mind, fax be dance. it is the free speech of others that he has a problem with. just consider how many times trump has paid people for his silence, and i don't just mean the hush money to stormy daniels, not just that, he has relied on nondisclosure agreements to ward off unflattering stories his entire life. and when those won't work, he brings lawsuits to bury his critics and costly litigation. he has tried to muzzle employees and associates, producers, journalists, biographers, publicists, even his own campaign workers and white house staff, even his own family. after suppressing a potentially damaging boat by his ex-wife, trump bragged about taking away her constitutional right. >> i pay her $25 million in

essay, by the way, you're not allowed to write a book and she writes a book. she says how can you take away my constitutional right? >> [ laughter ] >> the now, it may have prompted laughter back then, but it is a little different when you've got the power of the presidency at your disposal. member, trump proposed new laws to rollback protected speech. he finally broke up a peaceful assembly of protesters outside the white house, and he has talked about punishing even late-night comedians because they made fun of him. no president has been more feel for all of the first amendment and donald trump, so let's be clear, trump is not a champion of free speech, and that should come as no surprise, given that he once called for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the constitution. those are his words, plain as day. that is the thing about the first amendment. it allows people like trump to even say things that are fundamentally un-american. just like that. we will be right back.

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if they are led to believe they cannot trust. and that is the pain of it all. which is the idea that those who are in need have somehow been convinced that the forces are working against them in a way that they would not seek -- text that was vice president kamala harris moments ago. we told you we would bring more of her through the show, so that was part of it. she was obviously talking about the outright lies donald trump has been spreading about relief efforts in the wake of two recent hurricanes, which is causing great damage to people who are impacted. joining me now is senator tammy baldwin of wisconsin. it is great to see you, senator. i obviously want to talk about your recent wisconsin, we are going to dig into that, but i do think this issue of the impact of the trump teams allies on hurricane relief, on communities impacted, it tells a bigger story about disinformation in this moment. what do you make of how the vice president is handling it and how are you seeing the

spreading of disinformation impacting people in wisconsin and even your race? >> absolutely. first of all, i have been following the disinformation around the two hurricanes and fema relief, and it is just absolutely tragic. it recalls for me so much of the disinformation during the pandemic, during the trump administration. and this fostering of trying to have folks distrust government and government programs. this is really -- we have got to figure out larger ways to address misinformation, disinformation. you know, knowing the sources is really, really critical. but i will tell you again, the way it is happening and unfolding here in wisconsin is that when you look at a very tight race for u.s. senate,

almost all the ads being aired right now are false attack ads, lies, personal attacks. as my race got tighter and tighter, and no surprise in the battleground state of wisconsin, we saw the political report take it from leaning democrat to a pure toss-up last week. but it also didn't escape the notice of mitch mcconnell. and he announced in the last two weeks $23 million of spending in the closing days. we are 23 days out. that sounds like about $1 million a day. unbelievable, overwhelming media advantage that they have right now. and my opponent is also a multimillionaire who we project has put in $30 million of his own wealth to buy a senate seat. so, the difference between my opponent and i cannot be more stark, he celebrated the overturning of roe. i am leading the fight to

codify roe v. wade. he wants to appeal the affordable care act in its entirety, i hope to write it. he is going after social security and medicare, wants to cut benefits. i want to make sure that those programs are strong and will be around for generations to come. so, people who want to help me fight back, go to tammy baldwin.com, kitchen whatever you can to help us close this gap with regard to television advertising. >> i have to say, senator, i wanted to ask you about mitch mcconnell flooding your race, i wanted to ask you about how close it is and what people should know, that is so important for people to pay attention to, because i think there is an assumption that races like yours, you're just going to sail across the finish line, and you're fighting in a tough race. let me ask you, too, about just what is happening with the harris campaign in wisconsin and just what is happening at the top of the ticket, because wisconsin is always a close race. as you have said already, it is

won by less than one point the last two presidential cycles. what is going on on the ground, what would you say to people who assume wisconsin is going to be a risk you sale across the finish line easily on, in terms of what is happening in the dynamics on the ground? >> yeah, so, we are considered one of the blue wall states. but that didn't happen in 2016 when trump won wisconsin by 7/10 of 1%. joe biden won wisconsin in 2020 by 6/10 of 1%. i see the presidential race in the state of wisconsin as tight right now, that's what most of the polls have said. and both candidates are frequenting wisconsin, but i am very much focused on my own race, in terms of what we need to do, it's show up. and not just show up in blue counties, but purple counties and red counties, it's always what i've done. and find the voters where they are.

i see a really great ground game in wisconsin. we have volunteers throughout the state that are committed to knocking on doors and getting out to vote. but showing up matters. and so, you know, meeting voters where they are. i was honored this past week to accept the endorsement of the wisconsin farm bureau, first time in 20 years that a democrat has gotten that endorsement. but i think it is a product of my work showing up. showing up matters. >> no question about it. senator tammy baldwin, so important for people to understand the dynamics in your race, what is at stake in this race. control of the senate means judges, means supreme court justices, means confirmation of nominees, so it is so important. appreciate you joining me so much, thank you so much. >> thank you so much. >> we will be right back. be r s is continuous symptom control, with improvement in activities of daily living.

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