tv Chris Jansing Reports MSNBC October 14, 2024 11:00am-12:00pm PDT
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donald trump's staff want him to hide? plus, you're hired, trump says if elected, he'll bring on 10,000 new border patrol agents after earlier this year derailing a critical bipartisan border bill that would have added more personnel. and the sounds of sirens, the israeli defense force said it intercepted a number of projectiles fired from lebanon today. we have the latest from tel aviv. also, could one of jupiter's moons be habitable. a new mission just launched from earth will find out. our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments. we start with kamala harris and donald trump. nbc's sahil kapur is in erie where the vice president is campaigning through the day and holding a rally tonight. how is harris trying to keep up the pressure on the former president? >> reporter: hey, chris, well,
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the vice president is using every argument available to her to put trump on defense to highlight weakness, but on this question of fitness, she is accusing oil him of cocooning himself, refusing to do contentious interviews, and raising questions about his age, his mental acuity and why he isn't releasing medical records. take a listen to what kamala harris said on roland martin's show here. his staff won't let him do a "60 minutes" interview. everyone has done it except donald trump. he will not debate me again. i put out my medical records, he won't put out his medical records. and you have to ask, why is his staff doing that? and it may be because they think he's just not ready and unfit and unstable and should not have
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that level of transparency for the american people. >> reporter: so basically what harris is saying is what is he hiding, why is he hiding, and it was just announced in the last hour or so that kamala harris is going to go on fox news on wednesday to give an interview to the anchor bret bair. he did pass a creed on truth social about kamala harris and some of these questions, quote, i believe it is very important that kamala harris pass a test on cognitive stamina and agility. it's not clear what test he's talking about here. he's arguing that she is the one that's slow and lethargic in his view. kamala harris is set to rally behind me in this arena in bellwether, erie county, pennsylvania. this county has predicted the winner of pennsylvania in the last four presidential elections. 2008, barack obama, 2012, barack
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obama, 2016, donald trump flipped it narrowly. 2020, joe biden flipped it narrowly. you see a pattern here, every one of them won pennsylvania, every one of them won the presidency. this is a crucial place for harris to make her stand if she wants to win this all important state. chris. >> thank you so much, sahil kapur. we want to talk about trump's pitch to hire thousands of new border patrol agents. nbc's dasha burns is in oaks, pennsylvania, where the former president will hold a town hall this evening. dasha, is more personnel exactly what the border bill called for that trump didn't want to pass? >> reporter: yeah, chris, he told republicans in correct me if i'm wrong to not vote for a bill that would have hired an additional 1,500 customs and border protection agents and 1,600 additional asylum officers, but now he announced over the weekend his plan to hire 10,000 new border patrol
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agents, give a 10% raise for all existing agents, and $10,000 for retention and signing bonuses. chris, immigration is one of the central messages, central pitch in his closing message to voters. he believes this is where he will bring over new voters, get the centrist on board. >> after i win, i will be asking congress immediately to approve a 10% raise. haven't had one in a long time, for all ages. and a $10,000 each retention and signing bonus. so we're going to retain them. we're going to retain them. >> reporter: now, this weekend when talking about immigration, he also really heightened that darker rhetoric when it comes to
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immigrants, saying that america is, quote, occupied, and calling the town of aurora, colorado, conquered by venezuela gangs. so he's really trying to paint this dire picture, and he is the guy that is pitching himself to save the country from this challenge. however, as we said, there has been a bipartisan border bill that was proposed that would have addressed many of these issues that he pressured his republicans in congress to not pass, chris. >> dasha burns, thank you. air-raid sirens sounded in value israel today, after multiple projectiles were fired from lebanon. nbc's hala gorani is reporting from tel aviv. it comes after a deadly drone attack in northern israel overnight. what's the latest? >> reporter: that's right, around 5:30 p.m. local time, we heard those air-raid sirens. my team and i rushed to one of
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the shelters, and a gentleman in the shelter with us showed that air-raid siren map, showing a pretty wide area of potential strikes. hezbollah said it had launched several missiles. the idf said all were intercepted and there was no physical damage, and there were no casualties. that's not what happened yesterday when the golani training center, for the brigade in the northern part of the country was hit by a drone attack, and it resulted in a very heavy casualty incident, a high casualty number of casualties there. four soldiers killed and several dozen injured. how did one of these uavs make it through the missile defense and the iron dome system in israel. that's going to be the big question here. it landed in a mess hall, and we saw some aftermath images that showed some bloody floors, and we saw also some ambulances
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hurrying and carrying the wounded to the hospital. this is what daniel hagari, the spokesperson for the israeli military said about the attack. >> translator: we are managing the incident. we will study and investigate the incident and how a uav infiltrates without alerts and strikes the base. >> reporter: and this is coming as the country is expecting any day now, chris, the delivery of the u.s. fad antimissile system, alongside several dozen u.s. troops to man that system with the expected retaliatory strike by israel on iran after it launched drones on the country, and this is going to -- the fear here is start some sort of retaliatory cycle. we are sensing more tension in the streets of tel aviv here as the air-raid sirens and anticipation for more of an all
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out conflict between these countries and across the region builds, back to you, chris. >> hala gorani, thank you. now to nasa's newly launched mission to an icy moon of jupiter, one of the most promising places in a search for extraterrestrial life. what are scientists hoping to learn from the mission? >> that's the bottom line, does the icy moon in fact hold the ingredients for life. we think this looks like just a big rock covered in ice, but there's now significant evidence that actually there is a hole ocean underneath that ice, and, in fact, it may be two times as much water as we have on earth. and if there's salt water, as you know, anywhere on earth, where we have water, we have life. so could the building blocks of life exist on this tiny moon, europa, one of 95 moons that orbit jupiter. it's a 400 million mile journey to get there, five and a half
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years, and to get there, they've got to send the spaceship, really, around mars, and then get a slingshot, using the gravitation of mars to slingshot to jupiter. it arrives in 2030, and then in 2031, it will do 49 fly byes, flyovers, if you will, of this moon. looking for, with nine different experiments, looking for signs of the ingredients of life. not life itself but the building blocks. and if that is there, then it is entirely possible that for the first time we've identified a body in our own solar system that could now or in the past have truly held the ingredients of life, and maybe life itself. >> tom costello, i can't stop looking at these pictures. it's fascinating stuff. thank you so much. in 90 seconds. >> you bet. former president bill clinton's message while barn storming in georgia today for kamala harris.
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saturday, part of her battleground blitz this week. she's already brought what the "new york times" is calling her secret weapon to georgia, former president bill clinton. he hit a fish fry yesterday and was in columbus just a few hours ago sharing this message with voters. >> you just got to decide how bad you want this. >> we want it bad. >> you got to decide. the thing that bothers me more about the opposition campaign even than any lies are all the i's. >> that's right, i, i. >> sun came out today, i did it. yesterday it rained, if i'd been president, never would have happened. don't be fooled. bear down, have a good time. >> nbc's gabe gutierrez reports from georgia. "atlanta journal-constitution"
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senior political reporter and msnbc political contributor greg bluestein joins us from georgia, too, in his car because he's following bill clinton on the trail. also with us, chief strategist for the bush/cheney 2004 campaign, and msnbc political analyst, and very comfortable, it looks like, not in a car, matthew dowd. thank you, gentlemen, all for being with us. okay, gabe, what else did we hear from bill clinton on the trail? >> reporter: hi there, chris, good afternoon. i was at the event you just played some sound from. there seems to be a little bit of democratic nostalgia here. that's what the harris campaign is hoping for. this is an all out blitz in battleground states for rural voters and black voters as well. we have seen this previously when kamala harris went to part of the state, savannah, that democrats don't typically go to. they're trying to cut into republicans' lead in some parts of the state where it could make the difference in such a close rates. now, i asked former president
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clinton whether this was the same party that it was several decades ago. he told me that it's more similar than people might think, and he's some more of our conversation. >> what do you think this election comes down to? >> who wants it bad enough, and whether we can get an honest, open. >> reporter: we'll have more of the conversation on nbc nightly news. the stakes are high here. the clock is ticking. in-person early voting begins in this state tomorrow, chris. >> thank you for that. >> we even saw him stop at a mcdonald's, that's very familiar from his own campaign. how are voters there responded to him? do you think that the description could be right from the times, what they called him, he's a secret weapon for rural voters? >> look, it brings more media attention to the campaign. it brings more energy.
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voters were bemused, they were happy to see him. it was vintage bill clinton. he went to mcdonald's, he joked about eating candy apples at georgia state fair. he joshed with some people in the crowds at his stops. they weren't big rallies. these weren't arena type events. they were small scale events that brought back memories of the 1992 bubbas for bill road trip that clinton's campaign took way back when, through many of the same georgia towns he visited this week. in one sensuous it was vintage bill clinton. on the other, the campaign thinks he could be a two-fer to energize black voters and rural voters two groups of voters harris needs in georgia. >> what will democratic nostalgia buy kamala harris via bill clinton? >> you know, i think i agree with what greg just said.
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everybody knows this race is on the margins, and it's going to be a few thousand votes, and so the final 21 or 22 days, which is where we are, is primarily about motivating the base of each party's vote, and i think bill clinton helps with that. he's going to go to areas that the vice president and governor walz will not be able to go to. they have seven states, various places to go, and so i think in a very close race, and georgia is going to be one of those states that is very close. my expectation is all seven battleground states are going to be within one or two points of each other. all of them together are going to be within one or two points of each other, so in a very tight race, to be decided by a few thousand votes like it was in 2020, i think bill clinton helps with motivation in areas that governor walz and vice president harris won't be able to go to. >> it's interesting, too, matthew, they're small groups, right? because i'm reminded as i'm watching him, what i saw when he
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first ran for president he's famous for, which is when bill clinton is talking to somebody, there is a connection. he has that political gift that draws people into him, and if we really are talking about something on the margins, to what extent could that matter? >> well, i think nobody knows what actually is going to matter, what will be the ultimate tipping point in any of this. it's probably going to be 72 tipping points that change the nature of a state like georgia from voting for donald trump to voting for kamala harris. and i think bill clinton is good at explaining it. he's been called the explainer in chief because he's very good at relating to people in just their terms: but in a state with a new thousand votes. it's not so much the people at the gathering, even though it was small as greg said, it's the press he gets out of it and the social media he gets out of it. if you get a few hundred votes or a thousand votes in total that change or adjust or are
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motivated, it could be the difference between winning or losing georgia. >> if we're talking about the margins, you reported on the reconciliation of sorts, i guess, that we saw between donald trump and governor brian kemp after of course trump called kemp a bad guy, disloyal guy, an average governor. i wonder if that impacts republican voters and maybe even turnout there. tell me the margins you're looking at and what might influence them. >> yeah, and it could give permission for some of those republican voters on the fence that ability to vote for him. i talked to republicans about what keeps them up at night about this election psych and will they're worried about those split ticket voters. the same voters that used to be reliably republican, that voted for joe biden, if senator jon ossoff, andit's those split ticket voters that keep them
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awake at night. the warknock campaign estimates -- we know 200,000 or so split their tickets in 2022 in georgia. a significant number of voters in a race that could be decided on the margins. that kemp sort of reconciliation, we'll see how long that lasts. for now, it's holding, and that could have a real big impact in november here. >> and for trump, it only needs to hold 22 more days. greg bluestein, i'll let you get back on the road. thank you so much for stopping and talking to us. matthew, please stay with us. and still to come, new pushback, and this just happened moments ago by vice presidential candidate tim walz slamming former president trump's latest comments about, quote, the enemy from within. from within. for people who feel limited by the unpredictability of generalized myasthenia gravis and who are anti-achr antibody positive, season to season, ultomiris is continuous symptom control,
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because they can't let that happen! nbc's allie raffa is reporting from d.c. and i'm joined by msnbc senior political analyst, matthew dowd once again. we just heard from tim walz in wisconsin, what did he say in response to donald trump's comments there? >> reporter: that's right, we just heard from vice president harris's running mate, governor tim walz who's campaigning in battleground wisconsin, specifically in eau claire, wisconsin, with senators klobuchar he was speak to go students when he reacted, when he called for the military to be used against american citizen, claiming the enemy within is more dangerous than foreign adversaries like china and russia, governor walz saying the former president crossed the line. listen to his comments here. >> he crossed a line that i have to tell you, in my lifetime, i would have never imagined because we know our history. donald trump over the weekend
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was talking about using the u.s. army against people who disagree with him. just so you're clear about that, that's you. that's what he's talking about. this is not a mythical thing, he called it the enemy within. to donald trump, anybody who doesn't agree with him is the enemy. i tell you that not to make you fearful. i tell you because we need to whip his butt and put this guy behind us. >> reporter: governor walz is becoming more visible not only on the campaign trail but also across the air waves, you see him campaigning there, and also over the weekend, he made his second appearance on fox in as many weeks, and this is coming as a whole, as we see the harris campaign meet the former president's sharpening of his rhetoric with sharpened responses, leaning into their responses against president trump, the rhetoric leaning on fear and anxiety, we're more and more see the harris campaign respond in realtime to all of that, trying to continue as they have been doing, drawing this
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contrast in diplomacy, transparency, integrity, trying to do all of that in these last just over three weeks until the election, chris. >> allie raffa, thank you for that. you know, i was thinking as i was listening to tim walz about something that i read about david plouffe, harris's senior campaign adviser. he gave an interview to new york magazine, and said this, the thing to think about is his increasing instability, project 2025, the notion of a trump with no guardrails, with a desire for unchecked power. we have talked about that. we have run ads on that. we're going to continue to emphasize that in the end because that worries all the voters who are remaining out there, who haven't decided yet who to vote for. is that what tim walz was doing right there? >> yeah, i mean, i think it's really important to point out the history of the terms, enemy within, and what donald trump is talking about.
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this basically harkens. there's a long history of it, and it's never been good. i mean, it harkens back on our own history against antiimmigrants, antijews, and our own history, talking about the enemy within, telling people why they are struggling, somebody here is causing them to struggle. it obviously is joe mccarthy, and also harkens back to what adolf hitler did in germany, and people from romania and catholics, they were the enemy within. they were the ones keeping you from succeeding in the course of this. so i think david is right. we have to all be very clear about this, and so the choice that's going to be made is this, donald trump has not hesitated to say what he wants to do, what his intentions are, and what he's going to do. we have to believe him at his word in that, that's the choice. no one should be surprised who votes for donald trump in the end, and if he wins, and he does this, they should not be surprised that what he does is
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what he said he would do. >> you know, this kind of rhetoric from donald trump. he basically has rarely if ever paid a price for it, right? i mean, at least among his supporters, there was an article today talking about how the people who support him when they hear things like this either agree with him or never actually think he would follow through on it. he's talking tough. they like him to talk tough. he's never going to do that. having said that, again, i'll go back to what david plouffe said. he said the voters who are remaining out there, who haven't decided yet who they are going to vote for, that's who this -- it sounds to me like a closing strategy is aimed at, reminding them, january 6th, he doesn't kid. if he tells you what he's going to do, believe him essentially, right? >> yeah, and if you value freedom and liberty in our country, and even if you think he's on your side on certain
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issues, there's no insurance that you're going to be protected from what he wants to do in the course of this. i mean, i hate to say this, but we have a long history in america where these types of appeals have some success. it worked against asians in the 1800s, it worked against blacks. it worked against women, of course in short periods of time. it's amazing this type of language is being used by donald trump in the 21st century in the diverse democracy that we have, but it has worked in our past, and hopefully it's not going to work this year or in our future but that's what this election is about. >> matthew dowd, always good to see you. thank you so much. coming up, new nbc polling finds voters care about abortion more than any other issue, and arizonians will have a direct say in november about what happens next in their state. >> i believe in women's rights, i believe people should be able to do what they need in their
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immigration, protecting democracy, or cost of living. the poll also shows that abortion policy is one of vice president harris's best issues against donald trump. 53-34%. and abortion is on the ballot in ten states right now, including battleground arizona. nbc's liz kreutz is talking with voters in phoenix. what do they tell you about the abortion ballot measure, and does it influence how they might vote for president? >> reporter: hey, chris, no surprise, we're talking to win and young voters that tell us this issue, having abortion on the ballot is an extremely motivating issue for them, and really a mobilizing one as well. you can see right here, inside the headquarters for the group supporting this abortion access measure, which enshrines rights into the state constitution, it would expand rights from 15 weeks to fetal viability, 23 or
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24 weeks. this group has been out here for months, getting out the vote, canvassing, they say that they want to knock on a million doors by election day. in fact, come over here, chris, and we'll show you the sign they have, over 800,000 here. this number is representative of the number of signatures that they got to get this measure on the ballot. this is more than any other measure has gotten in arizona state history, which shows you the significance of this issue, and we have been talking to folks here on both sides of the issue over the past few days, about what they think, if it could have an impact on the presidential. here's what they had to say starting with someone against the measure and supports former president trump. >> democrats and kamala harris, she's hoping that abortion will motivate her supporters out to the polls. what do you make of that? do you think that's going to help her in this election here in arizona? >> it might, if she tries to, like, really push on it and lean on it, and make it very emotional, right. >> this is more an issue that
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democrats seem to gravitate towards. so we believe that if we get them to polls for this issue, they're more likely to vote. >> i think it will draw more support for the democratic ticket because, well, women, especially, this is their issue. >> reporter: so here are the numbers, you can see from the "new york times" sienna poll that came out, this abortion access measure is likely to pass. it's at 52% support right now, as opposed to 33% who oppose it. 14% don't know. the reality is it means it's more popular than kamala harris in the statement she's polling in the poll at 46%, compared to donald trump at 51%. that is consistent with what we have seen here on the ground, and also in our own nbc news reporting in polls that show it's not cut and dry. there are folks that say they are going to come out and support the measure. they care about the economy, they care about immigration, and
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the power of political polls, they can cause some voters to feel a sense of excitement and hope, others, anxiety and panic. now, 22 days from the election, the latest wave of new polling finds a race that hasn't budged outside the margin of error nationally the same as what we've seen in battleground states, and even if there are polls that show some distance between harris and trump, a senior adviser for the harris campaign says they're not buying it. >> you know, some of them may be close, but generally i would say any poll that shows kamala harris up 4 to 5 points in one of these seven states, ignored, just seems close. it's a margin of error race. >> joining us now, nbc news senior political editor, mark murray. john della volpe is director of polling at the harvard medical school institute of politics, and msnbc political contributor.
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matt dowd is back as well. you look at the top line, who's up, who's down, when you're looking at a poll, and it's what you do all the time, what underlying data are you looking for? what helps you better understand where this race stands? >> yeah, chris, i think a couple of things. one, overall movement, particularly if we ended up seeing movement that is outside the margin of error can be instructive. i do believe, and it's important to note that polls aren't precise instruments that because our poll shows 48, 48, that that's how the race is going to be. you have things like the margin of error. you have some of the past polling misses from 2016 and 2020. chris, when i'm doing a really big deep dive in the polling, what i'm looking for are the story lines for us to tell. this is what seems to be in kamala harris's favor. you know, you look at our nbc news poll, it's on issues like the abortion, how abortion is a big motivating issue, and on the other hand, looking at issues that, you know, that are helping donald trump out, and i ended up
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looking at some of the unpopularity, for example, of president biden, and how that's a drag, and so being able to look at all of the available evidence of the poll to give a snapshot of the overall environment. with that idea, and david plouffe was exactly right, this is a close margin of error contest, that's the reading of all the polls now. >> the common belief, john, is it's going to come down to six or seven states, which will be decided by maybe a point, a point and a half, but that could either mean the race is extraordinarily close or if most or all of those states go one way, suddenly, you know, the race is easy to call. i don't know, tell us what you're seeing, what your expertise tells you about this race right now? >> as mark said, thank you, chris, as mark said, look at overall trends, when i look at what national poll average was a month ago, harris is up 3.
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today's she's up 2. where i looked back two months ago, she's up 1. very little movement over the last 60 days or. so the other thing to me that's quite notable is the only state, state that one of the candidates has the most significant lead is in arizona, and that lead, from the aggregated data is plus 2 for trump, within the margin of error. in most states, there's a plus 1 or minus 1 advantage for each of those candidates. i think what we need to look at, as mark said, what are some of the underlying trends we might see, relative to what the coalition for democrats look like for biden's victory in 2020. for that, we have to spend more time looking at seniors. this is a group where hillary clinton, roughly double digits. joe biden made significant end roads there, 4 or 5 points in most states. today it's a toss up among seniors. as much as i talk about younger
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voters, i'm not sure seniors as boomer and zoomer coalition. gen z as well as seniors, that could be a key part of this expanding harris electorate. she needs to build on. >> there is an analysis in the "new york times" over the weekend, matt, that said basically, yeah, we've seen close races before. obviously we've had a whole series of close races, but this is something different, and first of all, do you think this is something different? and is there anything you think that campaigns get from internal polling that we don't see in public poll something. >> i'm smiling because every time we come to a race that's close, we say this has never happened before, and people forget that in 2012 from mid october until election day, the average margin of the race was 1 point between mitt romney and barack obama was 1 point was the average margin in 2012, and i
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was involved in the 2000 race, which i would guess it turned out to be a heck of a lot closer than this one will in the end, which was decided by a few hundred votes in florida in a race that al gore won by 500,000 votes nationally, but lost the electoral vote by 6,000 votes. i think it's going to be close. i'm open to the idea this could be -- my feeling is this is not going to be like 2020, and it's not going to be like 2016. we're in a different dynamic. i think it's going to be more like 2012, where the race seems very close, but in the end, breaks, and of the seven states, this is my view, and this is what normally happens when you have a break in the final week or ten days, six or seven of the states all go in one direction. so i don't think this is one where it's going to be three states one way, four states another. i think what is likely to happen is this pivot point race, which i agree is probably a 2 or 3 point advantage right now for the vice president, breaks in the end.
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it adjusts in the end and all of those states go in one direction. >> okay. so, mark, a big part of this is these elusive voters who haven't made up their minds. the latest nbc news poll say 10% of voters say they might change their minds. when i read that, i thought is that real? how many people are likely really to do that? or if people are changing their minds, is it only precipitated by something big, what we've come to know as an october surprise? >> chris, you know, when we try to find these persuadable voters at the end of the election cycle, it's worth noting, we have been asking that question, it's gone from the 20% to about 10%. that pool is getting smaller. but i do think the sliver of the electorate who either could change their minds, who more importantly decide to vote or don't vote do end up moving
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close elections. for all of us to kind of pay attention to those voters in the middle, but also it's important to pay attention to the mobilization and the trnout. is this kind of a, you know, at the very end, do you end up seeing this as a better environment for democrats, for republicans, is it kind of straight down the middle, and that's the one of the questions we won't know until the election turns start coming in. >> something i hear a lot from voters been on both sides, republicans and democrats. i never ask the question. this is always just from them, how many voters do you think are out there who are secret trump voters. do we have a good sense of what trump's silent voter base is in this third run, and if so, would you then add that to his ceiling? i think most people regard that as, what, 46 to 48%. do those people actually exist
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in any significant numbers? >> i call a couple of things. i think trump has been normalized in the last couple of cycles in ways he was not in 2016. so i think the ceiling has been, you know, 46 to 47%. i think that's accurate. but i spent a lot of time with voters. one of the things that polls do. they talk to people, if the election were held at that moment, who would they vote for. there are many people who are unsure whether or not they will vote. some polls are registered voters. some polls are likely voters. we don't know the exact shape of the electorate. i spend a lot of time with young voters. gen z's and millennials, they seem to be struggling with this choice. one is do they vote to protect freedom, specifically health care as well as other freedoms or, and that would benefit harris or do they vote at this moment for their pocketbook. in their mind, that would be a
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vote for trump. that is what a lot of them are thinking about and struggling with, and it's up to either one of those campaigns to breakthrough and make that choice and persuade them, in terms of what direction is more important. you think have both things. you can have both reproductive health care and a stronger economy that helps the working class, if you vote for her and support her campaign. >> and i didn't even get to third party folks who are on the ballot in battleground states. come back, all of you, and we'll talk about that among other things. i could talk about this forever, mostly because it helps me when people ask me questions on the street. well, john della volpe told me. mark murray, john della volpe, matthew dowd, gentlemen, what a great conversation. i really appreciate you. that's going to do it for us this hour. join us for "chris jansing reports" every weekday, 1:00 to 3:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. our coverage continues with my friend katy tur next.
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