next time. on that, i wish you a very good night. from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thank you for staying up late. we will see you again tomorrow. it's the top of the hour and where watching kamala harris at a campaign rally in pennsylvania. i have stacey abrams standing by with reaction right after the vice president finishes and we will listen to her until she is done. >> the trump abortion ban. think about that. many of these bans have no exceptions. it saying to a survivor of a crime a violation to their body that you have no right to make a decision about what happens to your body next? that is immoral. that is immoral. lot a curry one does not have to

abandon their faith are deeply held beliefs to agree the government should not be telling her what to do. not the government. no. no. if she chooses, she will talk with her priest, her rabbi, her pastor. not the government telling her what to do. not a bunch of folks at the state capitol telling her what to do as though she doesn't know what's in her own best interest and they know better? come on. it is my pledge to you when congress passes a bill to restore the protections and reproductive freedom nationwide as president of the united states, i will proudly sign it into law. [ applause ] yes, i will.

so much is on the line in the selection. i love you back. listen. [ cheers and applause ] so much is on the line in this election and we have to remember, this is not 2016 or 2020. the stakes are even higher. because a few months ago, the united states supreme court just told the former president that he would be essentially immune from anything he does while in office. just imagine donald trump with no guard rails. right? he has vowed he will be a dictator on day one if reelected. he would weaponize the

department of justice against his political enemies. he, who has called for the, quote, termination of the constitution of the united states. >> lock him up. >> hold on. hold on. >> lock him up. >> here is the thing, the courts will handle that. let's handle november, shall we? we are clear. look, anybody who says they would terminate the constitution of the united states should never again stand behind the seal of the president of the united states. never again.

never again. never again. and so, after all these years, we know who donald trump is. is someone who will stop at nothing to claim power for himself. you don't have to take my word for it. i have said for a while, watches rallies. listen to his words. he tells us who he is. he tells us what he would do if he is elected president. tonight, i will show you one example. of donald trump's worldview and intentions. please roll the clip. >> the worst people are the enemies from within. the enemy from within. those people, those people are more dangerous, the enemy from

within than russia and china. these people should be put in jail the way they talk about our judges and justices. if you had one violent day, one rough hour, and i mean real rough. the bigger problem are the people from within. we have very bad people, some sick people, radical left lunatics. i think they are -- and it should be easily handled, if necessary, by national guard or if really necessary, by the military. >> [boos] >> so, you heard his words? you heard his words coming from him. he is talking about the enemy within, pennsylvania. he's talking about the enemy within our country, pennsylvania. he is talking about that he considers anyone who does not support him or who will not

bend to his will an enemy of our country. [boos] it is a serious issue, he is saying, he is saying, he would use the military to go after them. think about this. and, we know who he would target. we know who he would target because he has attacked them before. journalists whose stories he does not like. election officials who refused to cheat by filling extra votes and finding extra votes for him. judges who insist on following the law instead of bending to his will. this is among the reasons i believe so strongly that a second trump term would be a huge risk for america and

dangerous. donald trump, donald trump is increasingly unstable and unhinged. and he is out for unchecked power, that's what he is looking for. he wants to send the military after american citizens. he has worked to prevent women from making their own health care decisions. threatened your fundamental freedoms and rights like the freedom to vote, the freedom to be safe from gun violence, the freedom to breathe clean air and drink clean water and the freedom to love whom you love openly and with pride. [ cheers and applause ] so here

in pennsylvania, i say to those who know best, when freedom is on the line, americans always answer the call. we always answer the call. and in this election -- >> vote. vote. vote. vote. vote. vote. vote. vote. >> and to your point in this election, we will answer the call again. it all comes down to this. we are all here together because we know what is at stake we are here together because we love our country. we love our country. we love our country.

>> usa. usa. usa. usa. usa. >> we love our country. and i do believe one of the highest forms of patriotism that there is, one of the highest forms of patriotism is to fight for the ideals of our country. that is born out of love out of country. to fight, to realize the promise of america. so, election day is in 22 days. 22 days. and here in pennsylvania, early voting has already started. erie county, you are a pivot county. how you all vote, thank

you, how you all vote in presidential elections ends up predicting the national result. [ cheers and applause ] in erie county, you can vote early in person at the erie county voter registration office. from now until tuesday, october 29. now is the time to make your plan to vote. if you have already received your ballot in the mail, please do not wait. fill it out and return it today or tomorrow but please get it out. remember, the deadline to

register to vote in pennsylvania is monday, october 21. if you or anyone you know has not registered, now is the time because, look, the election is here. we need to organize. we need to mobilize and energize. we need to remind everybody that their vote is their voice. your voice is your power. so, erie, i ask you, are you ready to make your voices heard? do we believe in freedom? do we believe in opportunity? do we believe in the promise of america? and are we ready to fight for

it? and when we fight, we win. god bless you and god bless the united states of america. >> you have been listening to vice president kamala harris at a campaign rally in erie, pennsylvania, delivering some of her sharpest and strongest attacks to date against trump. she went right after his comments about using the military against american citizens who he calls, quote, the enemy from within. she even played those comments on a big screen in the arena. i don't know that we've seen that before. she also said, he is referring to anyone who does it support him or will not bend to his will. those are part of her remarks. joining me as stacey abrams, voting rights activists and former democratic leader the georgia house. she's watching the rally as well.

thank you so much for joining me and i want to talk to you so much including voter suppression efforts. let's start with the vice president in remarks. i heard them as some of her strongest remarks, rebuke of what's at stake of the threat of trump to date. when you hear, and i want ask something that she is asking us to do. when you hear trump talk about the enemy from within, what do you hear? >> i hear echoes of viktor orban, vladimir putin, nicolas maduro. autocrats begin by vilifying the press, demonizing and dehumanizing their opponents and co-opting the judicial -- judiciary. he has done the first two and he's coming after the third which instead of us being opponents, he's calling us enemies. you dehumanize someone by saying they do not possess a quality of spirit and quality

of capacity and when he calls other americans the enemy, when he says patients in the national guard or even the military after american citizens, he is doing his best to say the only way to survive as a country is to abdicate responsibility to the constitution. we should not be surprised by this because he's been building to it and he has promised it's what he intends to do when there's a supreme court has co- opted and says he cannot be prosecuted for doing so, we should be deeply concerned. the vice president is absolutely correct to not only callout his rhetoric and remind us that rhetoric becomes policy if he becomes president. >> no question about it. we have to listen to what he says. he said things he would do in 2016 and he did them. this has been something i've been thinking about. when you are echoing dictators,

trying to crush the media, when you're trying to silence people out there and make it harder to vote, that is not a sign of strength. that is a sign of weakness. dictators are weak because they can't get elected with their own regard. if you are harris, how do you combat there? that's the perception some have. >> it's hard to take the abstract and make it real and she's doing the right thing which is pulling on recent comments, showing the words coming out of his mouth, and connecting the dots to our lived reality. it's the same man who said he would eliminate abortion and pack the supreme court to steal a woman's right to choose. we can no longer assume during the first administration, they said take him seriously but not literally. we have to take them literally. what she is doing so effectively is connecting the dots between his rhetoric and the real policies he has put in place and he will put in place.

if you overlook people and say he's crazy, unhinged is the right word, but you have to bring it back to their lived experience and reality. he will take away that $35 cap on insulin. he will eliminate access to capitol first small businesses especially those owned by minorities. he will do what he can to put people back in jail and to turn it into a police state because he is a weak man who is relying on the military power and the ability to undermine others to prop himself up. >> let me ask about some of the strategies, she is deploying a what you think works and does not. people are voting right now in the key swing streets and in georgia this week as well. one of the key groups she needs to continue appealing to his young voters including young black men. there have been polls, love to know your take, but i want to play something that former

president obama said last week about this and see what you think of it. we will talk after. >> on the other side, you of someone who has consistently shown disregard, not just for the communities but for you as a person. you are thinking of sitting out? i am speaking to men directly. part of it makes me think, you deserve feeling the idea of having a woman as president. you work coming up with alternatives and reasons for it. >> i worked for him for 10 years. there is a lot packed in. he talks on sexism, apathy. people are trying to answer this question, but what do you think is driving younger black men to trump and what you think at this point the harris team can do about it?

>> i would say two things. vice president kamala harris has been intentional from the start of this campaign to treat every voting chord with the respect. she does not take anyone for granted and she's worked hard to cultivate and cure policies that speak to their needs. that said, sexism is part of american politics. there's a reason she's only the second woman to ever hold the nomination to be president of the united states. sexism is part of it, but we have to recognize for young black men in particular, they've had a difficult time in the last 15 years. donald trump has been part of that. so have the policies he plans to reinstate. stop and frisk, do not target universally but target young black men. access to capitol is one of the strongest barriers to starting your own small business. he will eliminate that. when you hear him say doesn't believe in dei, he does not believe the people of color, namely young black men should

have access to capitol. what he is said and what he will do his return us to a time when young black men are walled off from opportunity. what is willing to do is to lie about his intentions. if you listen to his lies, it's like listening to santa claus. santa claus israel, but you don't vote for santa claus. you don't vote for santa. you vote for a leader who sees you and has a plan to serve you and is willing to acknowledge that there are weaknesses in our existing policies. that is what kamala harris is doing. she says we have not done everything we need to and that's why we hold elections. she has a plan to address those challenges. someone who was cast as an appealing to young black men when i ran, i will tell you i received strong support, identical to the african american gentleman on the ticket with me, raphael warnock.

i encourage us not to over read into this moment. her willingness to speak to a community is a sign of respect. the fact there is weakness or softness in the numbers doesn't mean that is how election day will show up. it's saying this is a population that needs to hear more and she's responding to that need by answering the call and putting out an agenda and saying, here i am, ask me questions. i am ready to serve your. >> what happens on election day is a most important thing. we have talked about sexism before which is alive and well. i read the transcript because i learned so much from you about voter suppression, about what we should be watching. you have this new podcast with crooked media and i recommend it highly for anyone who wants to learn and be prepared. you have been sounding the alarm for years and you noted there been 291 restrictive bills introduced across the country related to voting. one of the states is your home

state of georgia. the georgia state election board approved a new bill that would, hand count balance cast on election day. i will tell you in my neighborhood party, my neighbors have asked me about this and what the impact would be. people care deeply about what's happening in georgia and so many states. do you see any scenario in the next 22 days where that issue was resolved before election day? >> yes, right now there is a pending court case, and we are hopeful the judge listening will require the state election board to follow the law. what they have done is put in place rules that they would like to follow, but the law is clear. it's a ministerial post in the have responsibilities and their intention is to sow chaos about failure points in the system. i encourage fouts to start early voting. early voting starts tomorrow in georgia, october 15 through november 1. one of the best

ways to counter the bad actions and let's be clear, the state election board is the latest in a line of bad actions perpetrated by republicans starting with governor brian kemp and supported by secretary of state raffensperger which has week in the polls since 2020. we can win it anyway by understanding what their intention is and doing our best overwhelm the polls of the president, our votes are our voice and that's how we win. >> i voted early. it was easy in virginia and you can do it in georgia too and many states across the country. stacey abrams, thank you for your work, advocacy, and education. i will keep listening to your podcast. thank you for joining me. much more reaction to kamala harris's where she unleashed her sharpest attacks against donald trump. his comments about the enemy from within. rom within.

if it wasn't clear already that pennsylvania may decide the election it was clear tonight. both candidates were in that crucial state tonight. we were playing a portion of the vice presidents remarks and she just wrapped this beach in erie. it has an eerie -- of predicting the elections. with 22 days to go before the election, kamala harris ratcheted up the stakes to about an 11 in the last half of that speech. she did that and a fairly unique, kind of remarkable way by using donald trump's own words against him and playing his words at around rally. >> we know who donald trump is. he is someone who will stop at nothing to claim power for himself. you don't have to take my word

for it. i have said for a while, watch his rallies. listen to his words. he tells us who he is. he tells us what he would do if elected president. so, tonight, i will show you one example. of donald trump's worldview and intentions. please roll the clip. >> the worst people are the enemies from within. the enemy from within. those people, those people are more dangerous. the enemy from within than russia and china. these people should be put in jail the way they talk about our judges and our justices. if you had one really violent day. one rough hour, and i mean real rough. the bigger problem are the people from within. we have some very bad people,

sick people, radical left lunatics, and i think, and they should be easily handled, if necessary, by national guard or if really necessary, by the military. >> so you heard his words. you heard his words coming from him. he is talking about the enemy from within, pennsylvania. he is talking about the enemy within our country, pennsylvania. is talking about that he considers anyone who does not support him or who will not bend to his will an enemy of our country. >> now, it's easy after nearly a decade to get enough of this stuff. the point there is kamala harris is doing her best to make sure people do not get numb to it. is for the content of his

remarks it's important to point out that trumps fascination with using the military gets what he calls the enemy from within, the enemy within, is not new. remember in the summer 2020, he wanted to unleashed troops on racial justice protesters.'s former defense secretary asked, quote, can't you just shoot the protesters? shoot them in the legs or something? a few months later after he lost the election, he drafted an executive order to the military sees voting machines as part of his effort to overturn his loss. he has mused about military tribunals for his political opponents like first day, former republican congresswoman liz cheney. this has been bouncing around his head for a while is my point. we should take him seriously. i was talking to stacey abrams. when he wants to use armed forces against his perceived enemies from within which is why we say it on the show. he's telling us what is going to do. far too many people are not taking him seriously. many voters are rationalizing his rhetoric and affording him

of a form of benefit of the doubt you can call it. "the new york times" put it this way, a lot of people are happy to vote for him because they do not believe he will do many of the things he says he will. to me, -- too many voters have been lulled into a form of justification and supporting trump. there is a lot of evidence that trump does what he says he is going to do. he said he might not accept the election results in 2020 and when he lost he refused to accept the results and setting them armed mob to a deadly insurrection. to investigate political opponents any weaponize at department of justice to that end. he said he would put in place a muslim pan and he did. he said he would appoint justices to overturn roe v. wade and he did and they did. all the evidence from the last time donald trump was president points to the fact that we should believe him when he tells us what he is planning.

joining me at the table, former republican congressman joe walsh has left the republican party and opinion, mass who has been a trump and harris rallies. you have covered a lot of political presidential campaigns. many of trump before it. i want to start with the tactic of playing your opponent at your rally. have you seen it before? >> i have seen trump do it with harris but not destroying democracy. we had a terrific split screen. we were carrying one on msnbc but trump was across the state and i took a few notes. it's educational while harris was talking about serious threats to democracy, abortion rights, trump was talking about hannibal lector. >> his favorite friend. >> to take away your gas stoves and calling harris stupid. he was having them play of a maria and he said everybody go out and vote on january 5. this

is a man -- >> a different approach. >> a different approach. it's often said he is unhinged but you have to factor that in. he is saying a lot of crazy things about people like us, the enemy of the people. the enemy within. the thing you are saying most of all about trump this time around is he seems to be genuinely off his rocker. at trump rallies i've talked to his own supporters who kind of see that and are nervous about the direction. it is right that kamala harris is calling this out and everybody has to be doing this over and over each time trump is out there. >> they are nervous about it but they still vote for him. >> yes. >> this is what i have been mulling about before we started our conversation. he is going to do what he says he's going to do. i think j.d.

vance is a part of the strategy of lulling people into, it's going to be fine. i know you left the republican party, but what should the harris team be doing? what else should they be doing to elevate this issue in front of voters. >> more of this and i wish you had done it earlier. none of this is normal. he is not normal. he is a threat to democracy. the only shot trump has to win this is if he is normalized. as if he's a normal whatever republican candidate for president. he is not and she has to make that case. i love what she did tonight. you talked about the fact he said he would not accept the result of the 2020 election and then he did not. he has told us he would not accept the results of this election if he loses, and he won't. she has to go after him. she has to jolt the american people.

these final three weeks, and make clear he is not normal. this is a legitimate threat. he is trying to scare us into voting for him. that's not who we are. >> one of the things that struck me, it was this joyful journey of everybody calling everybody weird. there has been this evolution of flow the democratic party messaging which often happens. first it was dictators. they are scary then they are all weird. now it's a little back to there is an enormous threat which is very true. what do you make of that journey or maybe you disagree? >> i don't disagree and both things have to be accomplished at the same time. this is not normal. this is unacceptable and it's kind of comical to talk about your gas stoves all the time. >> and hannibal lector. >> hannibal lector has to be brought and every one of these

conversations. when i am at trump rallies talking to folks, i have a bit of sympathy. they are sort of victims of his as well. you will say they will vote for him anyway. a lot of them say they wish you would stop talking about the election this way. a due because of this permission structure, i liked what geraldo rivera, i don't say that often, but when he said trump is a liar and turning you into a liar because you are supporting him despite what he said about the election. people like that, having liz cheney out there saying, i am with you on the ideas but you got to understand what he is doing to you. >> i don't think you can poke fun at it. the republican nominee for president said this weekend, he was going to send the military after his political opponents. i do not think that is something you have fun with.

you go after it hard. >> and she was. you could tell the anger in her eyes. i am sorry the panel was short but we got to see a great rally. look forward to having you back. donald trump's relentless lies are having real-world consequences for the people of north carolina. the people of springfield and beyond. we're talking about this briefly. briefly.

over the weekend in north carolina, emergency response efforts focused on providing it to areas devastated by her calling, and these people were forced to temporarily pause their efforts. here is why. according to the washington post, official with u.s. forest service sent an urgent message to federal agencies with this morning. the federal emergency management agency has if i still federal responders in rutherford county to stand down and evacuate the county immediately. the message warn that national guard troops had come across two trucks of armed militias saying they were hunting fema. i want to be clear, neither the national guard or the governor's office has confirmed that report of armed residents threatening fema workers. clearly, distressed and animosity toward federal aid workers has been high since

storm recovery began. local police confirm saturday, a resident came to a distribution center for supplies and threatened fema personnel who were station there. the rutherford county sheriff's office charged a man who is armed with an assault rifle threatening to harm fema employees. and ashe county, north carolina, a sheriff said they paused work there out of an abundance of caution as they assessed threats. those are just a couple of the examples of the ways in which federal and local officials have been frantically trying to combat lies and disinformation since hurricane helene hit. it disrupted efforts to provide desperately needed aid and they made emergency responders work dangerous in this disinformation prompted people who need assistance not to apply for it. help is there. some politicians with large platforms insist people feel like they are being left

behind, and the key word there is feel. >> americans are feeling left behind by the government which they are. talk to folks on the ground, i have friends have been in boone, north carolina, helping with the cleanup. it's a sense of betrayal and being left behind. >> what is so maddening about a comment like that is a big part of the reason people may feel they are being abandoned or betrayed is because they're being told by people like j.d. vance and donald trump without any basis in reality that they are being left behind and betrayed. since this disaster response began, trump's campaign have repeatedly lied. they lied about the government intentionally reap ignoring republican errors in the biden administration stealing fema funding to give to migrants. not a thing. they lied about the amount of made up limits on a that's given to people. here is this a cycle. trump and

his acolytes lie with a band of further political gain. their followers believe the lies inside only, of course, we see real-world consequences. look at what happened in springfield. the trump campaign spread disgusting lies about haitian migrants living there and those migrants have strangers hurling insults at them and tires on their cars are slashed overnight. we watched this cycle over and over and over and over again. trump's lies cut disaster relief and harmed communities in they threaten the fabric of our small democratic society. in 22 days, americans will head to the polls. some of those places will look different than they have in the past. if you voting in durham, north carolina, facilities will be newly equipped with bulletproof glass and panic buttons in the case of a emergency. people should ask themselves why officials now feel like

they need to do that? why communities are facing new waves of hate? why people do not feel like they can trust their government and institutions? i think you know the answer. the disinformation. the lies. donald trump is behind all of it. donald trump could learn a thing or two about using -- losing gracefully. veteran news anchor chris wallace is standing by and joins me. joins me. robinhood gold allows others to earn their very liberal rates on idle cash. they would descend into chaos.

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>> i return the compliment. >> that was then senator john f. kennedy and vice president of the time richard nixon just months before they faced off in one of the most hard-fought campaigns in american history. their rivalry is the subject of a new book countdown 1960 by veteran news anchor chris wallace. while we no kennedy won, the book gives an interesting day by day, play-by-play of how it unfolded. i learned a lot and it has some suspenseful cliffhangers. their lessons from that election but none are more relevant in my view then what happened after it took place. richard nixon was under a lot of pressure from his party to challenge the results. especially in illinois where questions lingered over the accuracy of the vote count. nixon could have contested the vote. he could've done that and dragged it out, but he did not. in that moment, he put the good

of the country above his personal ambition. ironically, is a sitting vice president, he fell on his shoulders to oversee the joint session of congress to count the electoral votes on january 6 of 1961. just for a moment put aside everything you think you know about richard nixon, which is probably true, and watch how a certified his own defeat. >> this is the first time in 100 years that a candidate for the presidency announced the results of an election in which he was defeated and announced the victory of his opponent. i do not think we could have a more streaking and eloquent example of the stability of our constitutional system. our campaigns, no matter how far

they may be, no matter how close the election may turn out to be, those who lose accept the verdict and we support those who win. >> i mean, can you imagine trump uttering those words? nixon set an example proving peaceful transitions require all lawmakers and citizens to pull democratic institutions and norms including the rule of law, despite their personal interest, without the common agreement, democracy dies. very applicable words. i am joined by chris wallace, host of the chris wallace show on cnn. this is an interesting book. it brought insight to day-to- day details of that 1960 election. it was released last week. as we all know, history repeats

which is what is interesting about reading this book. one of the things that struck me as people don't always think of richard nixon as being honorable. yet, what he did was more honorable -- more honorable loser than donald trump was. as you were writing this book, how were you thinking about that election and that transition? what that history says about the state of our democracy today? >> first of all, thank you for having me on the show. this is what i wanted to write this book, particularly right now. it's a great story. candidate nixon, the first televised debate. the first catholic to be elected president. the mob is involved. mistresses are involved. the election may well up and stolen, but what strikes me and what i wanted to write it now is the relevance to where we have been since 2020.

nixon primarily because it was unthinkable that you could have a country at the height of the cold war where people did not know who the president was while it was being adjudicated through the courts, he accepted his defeat even though i think he felt it was stolen, and as you saw on january 6 and 1961, he certified kennedy's victory. compare that and we do in the book, to donald trump and where he has taken the country ever since election night in 2020 through all of the lies and all the made up fraud, january 6, the effort to storm the capitol and stop the certification of the vote. it's like 1960s stands everything we're seeing right now on its head. >> it was a reminder to me, i lived through transitions. bush and obama didn't exactly love each other but it was a

smooth transition. obama to trump, this is what happens and it's a reminder of that. you note that nixon's loss led to him to resort to more cutthroat tactics, we know that through history, and which led to watergate. similarly, and i'm interested to know what you think of this, trump losing in 2020 has led to in some ways a more aggressive approach to this election and what he may want to do postelection. how do you think in terms of lessons from history, bitterness and anger, applies and how you think it applies to nixon and apply now? >> it so interesting because nixon had a reputation of being a dirty politician. that's where they got the nickname. in 1960, he decided to run and a statesman to put it behind him. some people suggested that maybe his defeat in 1960 in town

nicely he played was the origin story of the villain. like the joker. clearly in some of the watergate tapes you could hear his bitterness and, kennedy stole the election from me and all bets are off in terms of what i'm prepared to do as it turned out in 1972 with watergate. there is no question that had an impact on him, a bad impact. i think you could say trump was already a dangerous character before, but clearly losing the 2020 election has not improved his sense of fair play are thinking about the country over his own personal benefit. >> lots to learn from history. we pulled something out of the archives because you were once a correspondent at nbc news. i want to play part of an interview you did with donald trump at the 1988 republican

convention. we will see if you remember it and we will talk about it. >> you have flirted with the idea politics and now you're at your first national convention. does it get you interested in possibly making the plunge? >> who told you i flirted? >> you took out full-page ads to talk about your foreign- policy. >> i feel strongly about the country. i love the country. george bush will be the next president. he's an excellent man and a friend of mine. i wasn't talking about this year, mr. trump. >> that was quite a headset. what did you think about him back then? >> this was the art of the deal guy. he was a completely different character. he was colorful. he was not running the country. he was not making decisions about our rights or foreign- policy. he was there on the floor and i happen to see him. as an interviewer what pleases

me as i came back at him when he said what you mean i'm 30? i said you took out a full-page ad and then he says at the place convention, bush will be the candidate. i said we are not talking about this year. it was a good back and forth. donald trump the real estate mogul is a different character, and you think about him, entertained by him and not necessarily are when you're talking about donald trump the potential president of the united states. >> chris wallace, a great book. thank you so much for joining me. we will be right back.

that does it for made tonight. the rachel maddow show starts right now. tape of nixon being the man of the hour when the country needed him. >>nd