good day. i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. town hall, or dance party? a trump campaign event turned music fest is today raising a serious question, what will

voters make of it? his campaign says it was something special. the harris campaign says they hope he's okay. right now the former president is answering questions at the economic club of chicago, we're listening and will bring you any headlines as we have news. plus, early voting is under way in georgia, alongside a pivotal ruling, a judge says county officials cannot delay or decline to certify election results. what it means for the crucial battleground where early votes are already on track to break day one records. and an nbc news exclusive, a primary tool at the southern border now in jeopardy. one-third of the cameras in border patrol main surveillance systems are broken. how it is impacting operations. but we start with two candidates on two very different trajectories, kamala harris keeping up her campaign and media blitz with sustained pointed attacks on the former president, contrast that with an

unusual scene that played out at trump's event in pennsylvania. so, it was supposed to be a q&a town hall. but two people needed medical attention, trump pulled the plug and opted to play music for a full half hour. >> how about this, we'll play "ymca" and we'll go home. let's go. nice and loud. >> here we go, everybody! >> should we keep going? turn that music up! turn it up! great song. ♪ it goes like this the fourth, the fifth ♪ ♪ i went to the doctor and guess who ♪ ♪♪

>> donald trump took just five questions at what, again, was supposed to be a q&a. the teleprompter shows at some point, even his own campaign was pleading for him to take more questions. trump's campaign said it was all a total love fest, but her campaign posted after the event, trump appeared lost, confused and frozen on stage, playing into a key harris line of attack in these closing weeks of the campaign. >> donald trump is increasingly unstable and unhinged. and he is out for unchecked power, that's what he's looking for. >> and while trump has stuck to rallies and friendly venues like today's fox news town hall, harris is going into unchartered territory, doing a fox news interview of her own tomorrow. and as three sources are telling reuters, possibly a sit-down with popular podcaster joe

rogan. and nbc's shaquille brewster is live in chicago where trump is holding an event today. zerlina maxwell, tim miller worked on jeb bush's 2016 campaign and hosts the bulwark podcast as well as being an msnbc political analyst. okay, so shaq, you were at that town hall, q&a, dance party last night. today, a cnbc anchor revealed trump had apparently agreed to do an interview with them, but then canceled. what do we know about what's happening in the campaign? >> well, the trump campaign says that that interview was canceled essentially because of a scheduling conflict, suggesting that the former president had some battleground state stops later this week that conflicted with when that interview was set to happen. it is happening as he's receiving a lot of pressure and criticism from democrats in the harris campaign suggesting he's

essentially ducking mainstream media scrutiny. we know, for example, he didn't participate in the "60 minutes," interview, he declined to do a second debate with vice president kamala harris, and that, of course, now he's pulling out of this cnbc interview. now the trump campaign is highlighting that even right now, you see it on the side of the screen, he is meeting with reporters, he's being interviewed by bloomberg news in front of the chicago economic club. i was just listening to some of that. he was asked about the cost of some of his policy proposals, he ducked it and essentially said that he will have growth and he'll push for economic growth under his presidency and he's been asked about his tariff policy and the potential damage it can do. listen to a little bit of his response to being pressed on tariffs. >> if i run this country, if i'm going to be president of this country, i'm going to put a 100, 200, 2,000% tariff. they're not going to sell one car into the united states because we're not going to destroy our country by -- so

when -- i know you're an antitariff guy, but i'm the exact opposite. >> we also know, of course, that event that got so much attention last night, again, billed as a town hall, turned into essentially like a music listening party, a dance party, as you showed there, the campaign is saying that sources telling nbc news and that essentially what happened was there was that medical incident and it took longer to get that person who apparently fainted because of the heat in the room on to a stretcher. once a second person required medical attention, essentially former president trump called an audible and you also have his senior adviser releasing a statement, i want to read from it as the harris campaign attracts trump saying that he's not mentally fit, you hear the senior adviser saying president trump has more energy and more stamina than anyone in politics, and is the smartest leader this country has ever seen.

you really get a sense that the trump campaign is doing what it can to not lose any more ground on this. when you look at polling, it is one that he has been and that former -- vice president harris has the advantage on him in terms of mental acuity and mental fitness. >> shaq, i'll let you go back to listening to the former president and come back to us if he makes any news. i can tell you, tim, that while shaq was talking, a few of the things that former president trump said is that we're -- meaning the united states, we're a developing nation too, look at detroit, look at our cities. he called out barack hussein obama and said china thinks we're stupid. yesterday trump told people to vote on january 5th, fact check, that's not election day. what do you see happening here? >> yeah, well, there was the north korea style statement

there. i like listening to that statement from steven chung and the campaign like he's a kim jong-un dictator, it is a little alarming as well. this is the thing about donald trump, in this campaign, they have decided, the team decided that they are just going to let the public see unadult ratunadu donald trump. that worked for them in the republican primary. the reality is the real donald trump does not have any of the views of, like, mainstream conservatives from a bygone era. he's not going to talk about tax cuts and regulation cuts and strong defense. he's going to do racist dog whistle, racist air horn comments, mass deportations, talking about 1,000% tariffs,

talking about sending the military after the enemy within. like, that is donald trump, and it is the harris campaign's job and you saw they started to do that last night to make sure that the voters know that had they go to the polls. i suspect that's why she's doing brett baer on fox. she wants the fox viewers to recognize what they're voting for if they're voting for trump, this unhinged material that you just read. >> so, i want to play part of what one person who was at -- obviously a trump supporter -- said who was at that event last night. we talked to a bunch of them. i think this is indicative of how a lot of folks who were there last night felt. here it is. >> i felt like i was sitting in a room with him, just him. i could have been here another hour, another two hours. it was just great spending time with the president. >> i did expect him to take more questions. i thought he would talk longer.

however, i still would vote for him. i think he's a very good candidate and i -- the concert was great. >> so, clearly, this isn't the kind of thing that discourages somebody who goes to a trump rally. but do you think that either individually or cumulatively any of this matters to undecided voters? >> i don't know how many undecided voters there are out therho don't want to admit that they're going to vote for donald trump, maybe they're afraid of some of the judgment that comes along with that decision. but i do think that it is clear as day to me that the people that are at the trump rallies, the people that continue to support donald trump, are not doing that because of specific policies, because he's not talking about policies. that rally was the perfect example and town hall was the perfect example of the fact that people are there for the show.

they are there because they want to belong to what people have called a cult. and i think when you see 39 minutes of him dancing to songs from the 1970s, you get the sense that people are a part of a maga movement for reasons that are very different from political coalitions of the past and the present. i also will say that this is incredibly dangerous, what he is talking about and i agree with tim when he talks about that north korea style statement, that was very jarring. i think that when we use our eyes and we have all our neurons firing appropriately, chris, we can see that when you have somebody who wants to be a dictator on day one, and you combine that with project 2025 and the supreme court saying a future president has immunity, we are on the path for something very, very dangerous that is not democracy and so while it is funny to talk about a weird rally where he's dancing for 39 minutes, i think the stakes could not be higher.

>> yeah, and, again, i want to say that i think the reason that we wanted to talk about this was because i wondered the influence that it might have, nobody thinks, tim, this is going to influence those voters who are there. and i personally put undecided voters in two categories, a very tiny number who are undecided about who they might vote for, which i agree with zerlina, a tiny, tiny number. there is also people undecided about whether they'll vote, right? can they be inspired by somebody, will they be inspired not to vote for somebody and therefore vote for the other person? having said that, it was -- one of the interesting things to me last night because so much was talked about in terms of joe biden when he was still the candidate, first of all, trump's musical tastes are eclectic from "aufs and roses.

it almost seemed like he lost interest in taking questions and he was much more interested in listening to music. i don't know, when you look at sort of the pattern of what we're seeing, what do you think his level of interest in the campaign is? >> yeah, i'll say it, if you don't want to, chris, i think the play list felt like village people, the opera. as far as trump's mental acuity, i think that the people that are excited for trump, they're not going anywhere. we already established that. this is the question. i think it is the challenge for the harris campaign, and for those that are advocating against donald trump, which is that is this risk too great? harris pivoted to that in her speech last night. this is too dangerous, too risky. that encompasses his comments

about the military going after the enemy within. and it also encompasses his mental acuity. like, do you trust this guy is going to have the wherewithal in four years, four weeks, but in four years when he's 82 and he's older than joe biden is today to be making life or death decisions? i don't think so. and i don't think that's a risk worth taking and i think that's a case that you're going to see the harris campaign make in the final few weeks. >> he is get something questions continuing at the chicago economic forum. so he was just asked about vladimir putin and the question was, did you talk to him. let's take a listen. >> you mentioned putin, though, there has been this controversy the past week, can you say yes or no whether you have talked to vladimir putin since you stopped being president? >> well, i don't comment on that, but i will tell you that, if i did, it is a smart thing. if i'm friendly with people, if i have a relationship with people, that's a good thing, not a bad thing, in terms of a

country. he's got 2,000 nuclear weapons and so do we. china has a lot less, but they'll catch us within five years. >> that sounds -- >> i don't talk about that. i don't talk about that. i don't ever say -- i can tell you what, russia has never had a president that they respect so much, but more importantly, or -- >> any citizen of the united states who is not authorized to talk to a foreign leader, zerlina, talk to me about what you just heard, if i did, it was smart. >> the answer to the question is, yes, i did speak to vladimir putin, reporting in bob woodward's book said he spoke to vladimir putin seven times since he was the president. i want to remind everybody donald trump isn't in charge of anything right now, thank goodness. the other thing that is important to note in the book is that he sent not covid testing

kits from cvs, chris, but a covid testing machine, what hospitals needed that during the pandemic when americans were dying every single day. i recently spoke to secretary hillary clinton and she made that point, that that is incredibly troubling when you're an american focused on protecting americans and their lives and their families and their livelihoods and the president was the president at that time and his priority was sending the testing machines to vladimir putin, adversary of the united states. so, a 78-year-old man, i wouldn't want him to be my uber driver, chris, much less be the president of the united states with the nuclear launch codes. >> the reason i bring up the logan act, tim, is because there are real reasons that it is in place. it is in place because citizens, you, me, donald trump, cannot interfere with what are relationships between the united states government and official representatives of the united

states government as in the current president of the united states. the secretary of state, an envoy, and a foreign leader. and i wonder what you make of what you just heard about vladimir putin. by the way, i should say, a follow-up question was asked because he didn't answer the question. but have you talked to him, and he, again, wouldn't answer. >> yeah, no, you can't have rogue diplomacy. i hear what you're saying with the logan act, it is always even worse than that. he's the leader of the opposition party, doing rogue diplomacy with a hostile foreign power that has invaded a democratic ally and is bombing cities and kidnapping children. he can't -- i hate to call it diplomacy. whatever you want to call it, he can't be having rogue negotiations with that person. it has real affect on what is happening in the world out there. putin is having back channel conversations with trump and he thinks he's going to get a better deal with trump or who

knows what they're talking about, that is going to impact what he's doing in ukraine at which, you know, obviously we have a stake in. so this has very real world ramifications, if it is happening. it seems like it is happening and in some ways it is like, almost, even if it is not, and trump is lying to make it seem like he's negotiating with putin, that shows, like, a level of derangement and horrific judgment as well. so, anyway you slice this, this is somebody that is giving aid and comfort to a hostile power that has invaded a free people. >> and a hostile power with potentially the capability to influence the election that is now just 21 days away. and where people are already voting. tim miller, zerlina maxwell, thank you. coming up in 90 seconds, both campaigns struggling to get voters to turn out in must win georgia. early voting has kicked off there and the numbers we're

seeing pouring in could smash all time records for day one. our team is live in atlanta with an up close look at what is happening at the polls next. an up close look at what is happening at the polls next. we'e stuck on a space station for months???!!! (brian) opendoor gives you the flexibility to sell and buy on your timeline. (janet) nice! (intercom) flightdeck, see you at the house warming. hi. i'm damian clark. i'm here to help you understand how to get the most from medicare. if you're eligible for medicare, it's a good idea to have original medicare. it gives you coverage for doctor office visits and hospital stays. but if you want even more benefits, you can choose a medicare advantage plan like the ones offered at humana. our plans combine original medicare with extra benefits in a single, convenient plan with $0, or low monthly plan premiums. these plans could even include

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and georgia's state election director later put that number into perspective for us. >> just for a little bit of context, in 2020, on the first day in total, we hit about 136,000 check-ins, we were already past the halfway point compared to the first day in 2020 and in 2022, that general election, we hit 134,000. so, again, already past the halfway point. >> it does speak to the energy in the state where it is hard to look at your phone or turn on the tv and not get a political ad. trump will hold a town hall with an all female audience and a rally later tonight. nbc's gabe gutierrez reports from a polling location in atlanta. i also want to bring in vote beat editorial director jessica housman and former clinton campaign manager robby mook. gabe, what is it like down there

where you are? >> as you said, potentially record-breaking day here in georgia, according to election officials, 71,000 people cast their ballots as of this morning. i'm standing in front of a polling location that was actually open for the first time today, because of issues four years ago in georgia. there were long lines, you might remember. we haven't seen any of those issues so far today, but there has been some enthusiasm against some -- with some of the voters we have spoken with. let's take a listen to some of them. >> my grandparents didn't grow up in america and they thought that voting was just so amazing. it was such a privilege. i couldn't wait. >> it was a no brainer for me. >> really? >> yes, i had no qualms. >> what made it an easy decision? >> sanity versus insanity. you know, criminal versus prosecutor, whatever you want to say.

>> certainly, you know, the economy, certainly understanding who do i want to represent our country, who do i want my child to look up to for the next four years. >> it was a vote against project 2025. >> reporter: and chris, the harris campaign is really targeting georgia, especially early voting kicks off here. former president clinton was here over the last couple of days trying to motivate young black voters as well as rural voters, cutting into areas in the state where republicans usually go to. as you said, former president trump will be here for a town hall event later tonight, as well as a rally. chris? >> gabe, thank you for that. robby, if anybody from the harris campaign is watching, they're happy with that 2025 answer. that part of the message got out to somebody, right? but, look, you and i have talked about this stage of the campaign as being less about persuasion than turnout. so i wonder can we extrapolate

anything really from the very early voting numbers? what do they tell you? >> that's a great question and this is one of our politics which has changed so much in the last ten years and even in the last four years because so many people voted early and by mail in 2020 that hadn't done so before. and we're headed into an unknown space here, because, you know, 2020 we had covid, and so people were voting early, this year we don't know, are some people going to wait and go back to voting in person as they did before? it is hard to look at these numbers and draw too many conclusions. and then obviously it matters, you know, who is voting, and then who is left for election day. i remember in 2016, going into election day in florida, hillary clinton was beating barack obama's early vote numbers by a big margin. and that made us feel very optimistic. but what happened on election day was so many trump supporters turned out, so, i think for

democrats at least we have to be very wary about celebrating too much. good, strong turnout in democratic areas is a very good sign and it is what we need to be doing. but we can't, you know, rest on those laurels because, you know, republican voters do tend to turn out later and trump's been very mixed, he sometimes tells people to vote early, he sometimes tells them not to. so, obviously the ultimate count will matter once the polls close on election day. >> so let's talk about election day. we have this big update out of georgia, where fulton county judge just ruled that election certification in that state is mandatory. what does that mean in real terms? how critical could it be, especially after everything we saw after 2020's election day? >> yeah, i think georgia is going to be a critical state, of course, this year as it was in 2020. i think this ruling by this

judge is a welcome relief for a lot of people who were concerned about the ruling that the georgia state board of elections was making. and that includes republicans, the republican secretary of state and the republican governor have both spoken out against some of the choices that the board is making, two of which may have delayed certification. and so, the judge coming out today to say the law says shall, that means you must, he quotes gandolf even, thou shall not ask, which is funny. it demonstrates the point which is that this is not optional. so, these boards do not actually have the authority to refuse, to certify elections in the run-up to certification by the state. >> who doesn't like a good gandolf reference? robby, look, the reality is we see donald trump, we see jd vance, still not stand by the election results from 2020 and

they are not alone. there are followers, many of them, as well. so, i wonder, as you look at this ruling, where you contextualize, how important is it? >> it is very important. i mean, this is my number one concern. there is the voting on election day, there is the certification and then there is the electoral college. i feel pretty good about the voting, and pretty good about the electoral college piece because, you know, the law got ironed out after 2020. where the republicans could really jam this thing up is just refusing to certify, certifying fake results, and we see in many states this is at the county level, so, you know, obviously the governor of many states, the legislature in some states needs to approve the state wide result. you can have one or two counties, bad actors in the states, hold up the result and hold up the outcome for the entire country.

and so this is where we are going to have to rely on our judiciary to force this process along, i assume, in some cases. i would like to think most of the county officials are going to do the right thing and push accurate results forward. but my guess is there will be some bad actors because there has been such a push by the right to elect people to offices we often don't think very much about, precisely to disrupt and create confusion around this process. >> which brings me to a question that i'm guessing you get a lot, jessica, which is let me start with the changes to georgia election law, since voters last cast ballots there. every precinct must now complete a hand count of the ballot totals. and so the question i'm guessing you get, robby, i get, is when are we going to know the outcome of the election. to which i usually say, i spent 36 days in tallahassee in 2000, all bets are off. very different circumstances, but a lot of lawsuits.

something like this, the hand counts, the changes in election laws, do they have the potential to delay some of these election results in key states? >> they do. and i think that it is important to note that we have never had official election results on election night. that's just not how this works. and so, if the judge in georgia is ruling that they have to certify by the date under law, which is the tuesday after election day, that's when we're going to know what the results are. will it delay unofficial results? it might. i think it is important to note that this is happening on a precinct by precinct basis and so for smaller precincts, this isn't going to take a lot of time. for bigger ones, it may take quite a bit of time. it is being litigated, this decision to change the rules in georgia. we may well see a judge overturn this requirement entirely, be it

republican, attorney general, in georgia has already said he believes this is an illegal ruling. i think that it is entirely likely that they may not have to do this at all. >> jessica, robby, we will have more conversations. in the meantime, i want to let people know we have been listening to what donald trump has to say. he would not answer a question about whether or not he would fire fed chair jerome powell. he said he, donald trump, believes he has the right to tell the fed what to do in terms of interest rates, which is a key question out there right now. but that he can't make them do it, but he has the right to tell them what to do. he also made what sounds like maybe off hand statement about jerome powell having the best job in the world, you just show up, flip a coin. so we'll continue to listen in to his thoughts on the federal reserve. but coming up, what israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu is telling the u.s.

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spokesperson matt miller, you see him at the podium at the state department and he was asked about some letters that were leaked from secretary blinken along with secretary of defense austin. and he is confirming they went out and i'm going to quote him,

to make clear our concerns about the levels of humanitarian assistance that have not been making it into gaza. the secretary with secretary austin thought it was appropriate to make clear to the government of israel that there are changes that they need to make again to see the level of assistance making it into gaza comes back up from the very, very low levels it is today. we have to see that israel is not arbitrarily denying humanitarian assistance, making it into gaza. and nbc's hala gorani is reporting from tel aviv, peter baker, "new york times" chief white house correspondent and msnbc political analyst. hala gorani, what do we know about this? has there been any reaction there? >> reporter: we don't have israeli reaction. matt miller was asked how the

israeli government responded to this u.s. request, or this set of u.s. requests in that letter to increase humanitarian assistance to alleviate humanitarian suffering in gaza, which is really, really reaching dire levels, especially in the north. and i'll get to that in a moment. according to this letter, the biden administration is asking the israeli government to improve the humanitarian situation in the besieged enclave within 30 days. interestingly, this will take us beyond the u.s. election. so it is an open question whether or not this will have any impact on the government of benjamin netanyahu as he, like everyone else, awaits the results of this important election in november. the letter was signed by antony blinken as well as defense secretary lloyd austin and addressed to the israeli defense secretary here in israel. and we're going to have to wait and see. similar warnings and requests

were made in april. in the last few months we have seen the humanitarian situation deteriorate to such an extent that it is difficult to see how these u.s. requests have been in any way heeded or implemented, especially when the strikes in the northern part of the strip caused so much damage and civilian casualties. in fact, the unicef, james elder, the representative of unicef in gaza, said no medicine has made it into the northern part of the strip, since the beginning of october. listen to james elder. >> we see consistent entry points blocked. we know the north hasn't had any food aid coming in since october. and lack of access routes and roas in gaza. cumulative, today is worse than any other day. >> reporter: this as the country and the region, in fact, chris, is bracing for israel's strike

on iran, which it promised after iran launched rockets and missiles into israel after the assassination of hassan nasrallah at the end of the month of september. very much a country and region on edge, chris. >> yeah, and, peter, matt miller talked about what we heard from hala, the deteriorating situation there, he said at one point it had gotten up to between 300 and 400 trucks going in on some days to gaza. and that the humanitarian assistance has not been sustained. in fact, it has fallen by over 50% from where it was at its peak. it is interesting to note that private diplomatic communications got out there, to which matt miller said this, and i want to get your reaction, peter, it was a letter we considered to be a private diplomatic communication that we did not intend to make public from our side, but now that it is public, i'm happy to confirm it, and to speak to it. talk about the messaging both in

a diplomatic and political sense. >> yeah, i don't know how the letter got out, particularly myself, but it is fair to say that you know if you're a state department official or a pentagon official that if you write a letter like this, chances are it is going to get out there and you're okay with that. that's something in fact they may have if not intended, certainly welcomed. they wanted this message to get out there, they're putting pressure on the israelis to do more in terms of the humanitarian situation. that's important in terms of the reality on the ground, the crisis that is confronting the people of the -- of gaza, who are, you know, in dire straits, and it is also important i think politically back here in the united states in terms of the campaign where a lot of democratic voters are uneasy with the biden/harris administration's approach to the gaza war and would like to see more empathy for the residents of gaza and what they have gone through. the fact they put it in writing rather than saying it either in

a personal message on the phone or in person suggests some degree of willingness at least for this message to get out there. >> there is no doubt about it, you look at michigan, which has the largest arab-american population in the country, which is a key battleground state and we know where there has been discomfort about the widespread conversations believing that frankly they have turned the biden administration -- the biden administration turned a blind eye or not done enough at least to the humanitarian suffering in gaza. the timing of this is also interesting, is it not? >> yeah. it is. of course, i think the administration i'm sure would deny it has anything to do with campaign politics and the crisis on the ground in gaza is such that, you know, they need to take consideration of that regardless of the impact in the swing states. you can't ignore the fact that a campaign is going on and we're three weeks away from election

day right now in which this is a big issue. it is such a big issue in a place like michigan, which is necessary if kamala harris is going to win the presidency. and where 100,000 democratic voters voted uncommitted in the primaries earlier this year to signal their disenchantment with the biden and harris approach. she has stuck closely to biden's policy, but at the same time in her public comments from time to time expressed the concern for the palestinians on the ground and a more visceral way that has been noticed by a lot of people on the left, but it may not be enough to convince them given how much the stakes are, you know, so high right now in the middle east. >> the stakes extremely high in the middle east, the stakes high here in the united states with the presidential election. hala gorani, peter baker, thank you, both. coming up, why survivors and families of victims of maine's deadliest shooting plan to take action against the federal government. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc

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reporting on this. antonia, we heard from some of the families directly. what are they saying? >> they spelled out in really heart breaking terms what this past year has been like for them. not just grieving the people they lost, but coming to terms with the fact that the evidence, the records seemed to show that the army, other agencies, and treatment centers involved all knew a lot about robert card's condition in the leadup to this mass shooting, that they knew about his mental health struggles, they knew he posed a risk to his community. and in fact that at one point even an army hospital that treated him failed to file a notice that they could have filed with law enforcement to make sure that they knew he was a danger to himself and others. that is the kind of -- these are the facts there on the ground, that led these families to take this kind of action. take a listen to them describing this in their own words. >> it is so difficult for us to relive those moments. it is even more tragic that

there were many opportunities to prevent this. >> we have a 10-year-old daughter, she was a daddy's girl. he would have done anything for her. she's going to be graduating from elementary school and moving on to middle school without her dad there to protect her. we need to keep the people who acted in a neglectful way accountable because they may have been responsible for the loss of our 18 loved ones. >> and, chris, we had a sense that these lawsuits were likely coming because the commission set up after this tragedy, they have been very transparent about their findings and various points at which they believed these various agencies could have done more. so, for so many people now, this story has become emblematic of the failures of the mental healthcare system in this country, how many agencies and people and hospitals can be involved and yet so little done to actually serve people in the communities that could be affected. >> and antonia hylton, thank you for continuing to follow this story for us. up next, german airliner

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discrimination. the german airline has been fined 4 million for actions against jewish passengers. nbc's sam brock is following this for us. walk us through what happened here. because by airline standards this is a massive fine. >> yeah, the d.o.t. is saying this is egregious, chris. they said we want to be crystal clear about one thing, the messaging on this, we're not going to tolerate disdiscrimination, anti-semiizz it m of any stripes. that's apparently what's going on here. this happened back in may of 2022. you're talking about reports at the time coming from lufthansa of some passengers who were jewish allegedly not wearing their masks or complying with orders. so this plane arrives. it was going from jfk through frankfurt to budapest, hungary. in frankfurt these passengers get off, chris, and there are hundreds of them who are then instructed that they're not able to move on. according to the d.o.t., 128 jewish passengers apparently because they looked jewish either based on what they were wearing, they were wearing yamakas or payes or some sort of

dark clothing to distinguish them as hasidic jews and were not allowed to continue. the d.o.t. fining them $4 million. all of this was captured on camera. this is posted on dan's deals. listen to this exchange between one of the passengers trying to figure out what's going on here and his conversation with a gate agent. take a listen. >> the non-jewish people on the flight. why the jewish people? >> because it's jewish coming from jfk. >> so jewish people coming from jfk. the crimes of a few people. the crimes of israel? just the jewish people. >> you want to come with me or -- you want to listen to me? >> i'm like shocked beyond -- i never in my adult life i heard this. >> jewish people who were the mess, who made the problems. >> so jewish people on the plane made a problem, so all jews are banned from lufthansa for today. >> just for this flight. >> it's a little scrambled, but you could hear her say the jewish people were the mess, they created this mess.

i want to quickly point out that lufthansa condemned it at the time, chris, saying we absolutely oppose any sort of discrimination or antisemitism. and they issued a statement which said in part, "the long-standing mission of lufthansa group is to connect people, cultures and kmids in a sustainable way. following that incident in 2022 involving our jewish passengers lufthansa has fully cooperated with the d.o.t. throughout the process. he with remain focused on the many efforts that have been initiated with the american jewish community, a highly respected -- committee excuse me and globally recognized advocacy organization. they are absolutely saying mea culpa and he with must do better. but just the scale of this. 120-plus passengers prevented from moving on because they looked jewish. they weren't even associated with the same group of people necessarily that weren't following the rules, allegedly. that's the story. >> sam brock. important story. thank you. and moments ago former president trump finished taking questions in chicago. what he said about a peaceful transfer of power. stay close. more "chris jansing reports"

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