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it is good to be back with you on this second hour of "chris jansing reports." at this hour, will donald trump commit to a peaceful transfer of power if he loses? that's the question he was asked. multiple times. just moments ago. we'll play his answer for you. plus, roll the clip. kamala harris uses trump's own words against him to paint him as dangerous and unhinged. her new warnings about a second trump term as polls show an increasingly tight race. and swing state scrutiny. as early voting kicks off in georgia a judge issues a major ruling when it comes to certifying the vote in that state. and the north carolina man arrested, accused of threatening workers just trying to help after hurricane helene. how police caught up to him, and

the weapons they found. our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments. let's begin with nbc's dasha burns, who's covering the trump campaign and those new comments from the former president about the peaceful transfer of power. dasha, what did he have to say? >> so look, chris, chicago, illinois not exactly a battleground state but the campaign wanted to head there to do this event, to talk about the economy. that's the message they want him to stick to. that's not exactly what happened when he was asked about a peaceful transfer of power. he brought up the topic that the campaign wanted to avoid like the plague. listen. >> will you commit now to respecting and encouraging a peaceful transfer of power? >> well, you had a peaceful transfer of power. >> you had a peaceful transfer of power -- [ applause ] come on, president trump. you had a peaceful transfer of power compared to venezuela, but it was by far the most -- the

worst transfer of power for a long time. >> thank you. i appreciate that. because this is, you know, what they like to do. but the facts. if you take a look, i'll show you hundreds of pages of facts. people were angry. people were there. and i tell you what. what you've seen in washington was hundreds of thousandsish the largest group of people i've ever spoken to before. and it was love and peace. and some people went to the capitol. and a lot of strange things happened there. a lot of strange things with people being waved into the capitol by police, with people screaming go in that never got into trouble. you know? i don't want to mention names. but you know who they are. a lot of strange things happened. but you had a peaceful -- very peaceful -- >> and chris, he did talk about his approach to economic policy. he was pressed on analyses that

his tariff policy would balloon the deficit. but he stuck to it. he says he believes that's the way to bring manufacturing back to the united states. that's the conversation that his campaign wants him to have. his allies, his campaign, his supporters want that closing message to focus on the economy and on immigration, the two topics where he does well. but trump is trump, chris. >> yeah. and once again it is important to say that those hundreds of pages that he talks about have never been produced. it was not a peaceful transfer of power. and many people are serving jail time and prison time right now as a result of what he calls a peaceful transfer of power, which it clearly was not. dasha burns, thank you. let's go to vice president kamala harris's new warnings about trump during her campaign blitz of blue wall states. nbc's aaron gilchrist is in detroit, michigan with vice president harris. she changed up her stump speech

last night to go after trump by filling the venue with sounds of him using his own words. tell us what happened. >> you're absolutely right. we did hear the vice president last night in pennsylvania talk about some of the things she traditionally talks about at these campaign rallies. but you're right, it was a big difference to have this multimedia presentation really, something i've seen at trump rallies that i've attended in the past. this was the first time, though, at a harris rally where we saw the vice president introduce a piece of video. and this was a compilation, edited video that the campaign put together of former president trump in interviews and in some of his campaign rallies talking about what he called the enemy within. the vice president pointing that out and then talking about using the military to, as the vice president phrased it, go after some of the folks who don't support him. i want you to hear a little of how this all played out during that rally in erie last night. >> he tells us who he is.

and he tells us what he would do if he is elected president. so here tonight i will show you one example of donald trump's world view and intentions. please roll the clip. >> the worst people are the enemies from within. >> the enemy from within. >> donald trump is increasingly unstable and unhinged. and he is out for unchecked power. >> reporter: now, we've seen the vice president try to make the case for why former president trump should not be re-elected, why he is unfit to serve, as she has said many times before. we can expect to hear more of this on the campaign trail. the vice president is here in detroit now. this afternoon she will

participate in a radio town hall with charlamagne tha god. this is a very popular radio host who has a large african american audience, a large male audience. and the vice president has really been doing this full court press over the last couple of days trying to reach out to black men in particular. the format of this show, as i understand it, is going to be a call-in show. so while the host may pose some questions, chris, this will be a chance for his audience, regular folks who are not tv or radio personalities, people who are not journalists, to call in and ask questions of the vice president and see if she can answer the questions that they have in a way that is satisfying to them. this is again part of the vice president's effort this week to reach out to the black community, to reach out through faith leaders and community leaders and in direct ways like this with this radio show this afternoon, chris, before she moves on to wisconsin and georgia later on in the week. >> aaron gilchrist, thank you. a critical ruling in georgia today just as early voting begins today in that state.

i want to bring in msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin. so lisa, georgia's been under a lot of scrutiny for changes to its election rules but now there's a new ruling when it comes to certifying the vote. tell us about that. >> that ruling, chris, from judge robert mcbirney of fulton county superior court is making clear to georgia counties that regardless of actions taken by the georgia election board to apparently make certification more flexible he's saying that georgia law makes it unambiguous, the county boards have an obligation to certify their votes by a date certain, even likening it to the "lord of the rings" where the gandalf character says "you shall not pass." he says the word shall means it, that it means must, that county boards are under an obligation to certify their votes and they have to do it by a date certain, chris. >> lisa rubin, thank you for that. let's go to north carolina, where authorities say they arrested a man suspected of making threats against fema

employees. nbc's laura strickler is reporting on that. what do we know about the suspect, and did it have any impact on hurricane relief? >> reporter: yeah, thanks, chris. and here's how this unfolded. on saturday around noon a man was overheard at a store in western north carolina allegedly saying threatening things about fema workers. a soldier in the area reported this to a local serve, and then later the person called in a report about the same man with more details, this time including a license plate. so the sheriff's office of rutherford county went out and arrested him. he was charged and released after making bail on saturday night. the local sheriff says he acted alone. these reports of possible threats, though, led fema to make some operational shifts in their assistance and pause some of their work. but as of yesterday everything is back to normal. and the north carolina governor says as of today they have provided more than $100 million in state and federal funds to north carolina. they say that misinformation and

conspiracy theories are dangerous and persistent, and the fema administrators worry that misinformation is discouraging some people from applying for help. this morning she said they predicted a certain number of applicants for assistance based on the storm and they say that number of applications they've received is now well below that level. >> yeah. words have power. and it is an ongoing concern that they have on multiple levels as you are reporting. laura strickler, thank you. in 90 seconds, they say everything's bigger in texas. and that includes the stakes for tonight's senate debate. the incredibly tight race that has democrats dreaming of an upset. t. ese bills are crazy. she has no idea she's sitting on a goldmine. well she doesn't know that if she owns a life insurance policy of $100,000 or more she can sell all or part of it to coventry for cash. even a term policy. even a term policy? even a term

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three weeks out, and democrats' best chance to flip a senate seat may be in the least likely place. texas. where republicans have long had an iron grip on statewide office. well, tonight a critical debate. on one side republican ted cruz, once called lucifer in the flesh by then house speaker john boehner, and who came uncomfortably close to being beaten by beto o'rourke last time. on the other side, congressman colin allred, a college and nfl linebacker in football-crazy texas. >> football hurts. i've got a plate and two screws in my neck to prove it. i was captain at baylor. i get it. no pain, no gain. we've got to fight for it.

what's ted cruz fought for? himself. this is the guy who fled to cancun while texans were stuck at home freezing. >> well, allred does have a track record. he flimd a republican congressional seat in 2018 and now tight polls have democrats pumping cash into that race. it just isn't critical to senate control. it's also a litmus test for whether texas is turning purple. nbc's ryan nobles is reporting on capitol hill. also joining us jeremy wallace, political reporter for the "houston chronicle," and julian castro, former hud secretary and msnbc political analyst who knows texas very, very well. okay, ryan, lay out the stakes and how this race fits into the bigger picture of democrats trying to maintain control of the senate. >> i mean, it is the ball game for democrats in many ways, chris. they have a very difficult map. they are defending way more seats than they are trying to win back into their column. and texas represents their best

opportunity to turn a republican seat into a democratic seat. but that's not really saying very much. if republicans were able to be defeated in texas, that would still come as a pretty big surprise. that's despite the fact that colin allred has pulled within the margin of error in many of the public polling that we've seen, has raised millions of dollars and seems to be running a pretty competitive campaign against ted cruz. his biggest problem, though, is he's running in a presidential election year and the former president donald trump is running ahead of kamala harris in most public polls, somewhere between five and seven points. so he'd have to find a way to close that gap. tonight perhaps provides him that best opportunity. in many ways you have to think of texas as a mini country. it has 20 different media markets. it is very expensive to get that message out throughout the entire state. but tonight he'll have that opportunity in this televised debate which will be seen in all 20 of those media markets and it will be the only opportunity for texas voters to see cruz and allred on the same stage and compare and contrast the two

candidates before election day. chris? >> and jeremy, i want to go back to the debate, but let me pick up with what ryan just said, which is about how expensive texas is as a place to run. and ted cruz is being outspent. this is his latest plea for help. >> chuck schumer's been explicit. i'm his number one target in the country. chuck schumer and george soros are flooding over $100 million into the state of texas. i'm getting pounded every day. we had a poll just come out yesterday, showed it is a one-point race. and we're getting viciously outspent. so please come to tedcruz.org. tedcruz.org. i need your help and support. >> hoping for some cash there when he's on fox news. but jeremy, does it feel on the ground like a one-point race and are you seeing signs on the ground of having less money impacting cruz? >> well, i think the nerves of ted cruz tells us how close this race is. you've got to remember, back in

2018 he only won his re-election by about 200,000 votes. we've added 2.6 million voters since that time. that's a lot of people that he has to win over in addition to whoever he won over in 2018. he has that struggle. and then he has the struggle with independents. like he is upside down with independents. over -- actually, his numbers with independents are worse than they were six years ago. and so he really needs to go really negative on colin allred. and in this debate tonight watch him try to make colin allred seem very unappealing to independent, moderate type voters out there. that is his whole mission. to try to make somehow colin allred feel like he is out of place with a more moderate republican -- a more moderate democrat like colin allred has pitched himself. that is the battle line in this debate tonight for ted cruz. >> so julian, can i just say, and i'm not surprised because jeremy's such a great reporter, but i thought i knew a lot about this race. i sat up straight when he said 200,000 votes in a state where

2.6 million people have come in. that's first of all an astonishing number. and we looked back at all the senate races from 2016, 2020, and you only find one presidential senate split ticket. that's republican susan collins who won in 2020 when joe biden carried maine. but she's awfully moderate. but to pick up on where jeremy left off about who those voters are that he can appeal to generally and tonight specifically, who are the voters, do you think, who might be trump-allred voters? >> that's a great question. and i think that there are plenty of independent voters, especially in the suburbs of the big cities of san antonio, austin, houston, dallas. we've seen in the trump era texas go from a state that voted by 16 points, plus 16 for mitt romney in 2012, to about 5 1/2 for donald trump in 2020. so the state has taken a move to the middle.

and that's largely been powered by the growth in urban areas but also shifts in the suburbs. i think particularly suburban women. the allred campaign has of course made reproductive rights an issue. i think they're going to continue to do that. he's also had the resources as you mentioned earlier to do that and do that effectively. he's outspending ted cruz. then, chris, people don't like ted cruz. he is just in a weaker position because i think that there may be folks that go out there and yeah, they vote for donald trump but they just don't care for ted cruz. i think that's part of what drove beto o'rourke to get within three points of him in 2018. it's part of what's driving his weakness now. it's not just about texas shifting over. it's about the particular weakness of ted cruz. and allred has done a great job of focusing on that. a lot of his ads focus on the images of when ted cruz fled to cancun during the winter freeze. they've made it seem like he's

out just for himself. that's an argument that i think resonates not only with democrats but also with independents. and even some republicans who like donald trump but don't care for ted cruz. >> yeah. and i think there's a question, jeremy, and i've read all kinds of analysis about this, but i'll let you speak to it, and his campaign leaning into his football background. suggestions that he can talk about reproductive rights without seeming to some voters less than masculine because he has this football player, linebacker persona. and i wonder is this truly helping in a state where football is king? >> yeah, look, it certainly helps him quite a bit i think because it's not just that he's a football player. he's a football player from baylor university. one of the more conservative universities, you know, campuses in the state of texas. that appeals to a lot of people. he was a friday night lights kid.

you know, he played football in the high school football fields all across this state. all that does resonate with voters to a point. and it partly explains why -- i was looking at the tv ad buying by the ted cruz campaign. they bought a lot of time on dallas cowboy football games to try to attack colin allred as not being part of texas and trying to label him too extreme. so they see that vulnerability as well. but i think your point is right. i think, you know, colin allred, he's a young guy. he looks football player. he is mr. linebacker. and they're putting that all front and center. and i think in the debate tonight watch that contrast. he's going to be able to kind of show himself as a younger, fresher face. and that might appeal to some texans who may be on the fence right now. i'm not expecting a lot of trump voters to switch over to vote for allred. the question for allred is can he get more voters out than ted cruz? ted cruz has to get all these

voters out this election cycle all on his own. trump's not doing much in texas. so this whole get out the vote operation is on the shoulders of ted cruz right now. >> yeah. and he doesn't like it. obviously, as we saw on fox news. so julian, look, the "wall street journal" says allred has been running what might be considered the opposite of beto o'rourke's campaign. it's focused on tv ads over rallies. he's less prominent in the media. many of his in-person events are actually small gatherings. he goes to professional and industry groups. is he running a smart campaign? does that make sense for this campaign? and frankly who he is. >> i mean, the polls would suggest that the answer to that is yes. of course, we're going to find out in november. but it is the opposite. i think the strategy here is he's not trying to be mr. democrat. he's not trying to stir things up among democrats and carry the banner. what he wants is just to be an

acceptable, appealing alternative to folks who are dissatisfied with ted cruz. and you have a presidential race that i think his campaign is relying on to get the base out. they're going to get out there to go vote for kamala harris and vote against donald trump. they think i think in the allred campaign that that's taken care of. now he can focus and they have been focused on just being a good acceptable alternative that's moderate, that's not scary, that you don't like ted cruz or you're dissatisfied with him, you think he's been in there too long, he said he believed in term limits but he's still trying to run again? okay. support colin allred even if you vote for donald trump. >> jeremy, we're just about out of time but i have to ask you what you think ted cruz's strategy is tonight. how does he make use of that time on tv? >> again, he's got to get very negative. right now he has four tv ads he's running in succession that are all against colin allred, all attack ads related to

transgender issues. expect that to be their attack tonight. that's the issue that they think they've been making some progress on. some of the internal polling from republicans have shown that colin allred's unfavorables have been climbing since those ads started to be aired. so i think this is cruz's chance to use his debate skills to try to get colin allred, you know, on those issues, trying to get really negative on him in these attacks. you're not going to see mr. nice guy with ted cruz. early on he was trying to be mr. bipartisan, i work with everybody. not in this debate. this debate he's got to go right after colin allred from the get-go. >> you can see in at least one of the ads that i saw that allred thinks that some of the statements by ted cruz about his support for trans issues is landing because he's responded to it on tv commercials. ryan nobles, jeremy wallace, julian castro. i've got a big baseball game tonight with my cleveland

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his campaign says they have 200,000 people they call patriots ready to volunteer to watch the polls next month. and we have recent history to guide what might happen next. exclusive new reporting from nbc news outlines how trump's lies after his 2020 election loss amplified by social media led to real-life action. that includes chaotic scenes of trump supporters disrupting the vote count in detroit. you can see them on the other side of the windows banging on the glass, demanding to be let inside. nbc's ryan riley and jane tim broad us that reporting after extensive investigation. also with us stuart stevens a senior adviser for the lincoln project who served as chief strategist for mitt romney's 2012 campaign. i think a lot of people might not remember what happened in detroit in 2020, especially given what happened on january 6th. but tell us why it's important

as we look ahead to this election. >> yeah, so essentially, what you had that day after the election was a bunch of people, mostly white people from the suburbs, flooding into this polling place in detroit which of course this majority black city, and all of them were sort of hyped up on this idea and this notion that there was some sort of mass fraud happening in there, they convinced themselves of that based on what they had read. frankly, they just didn't know what they were talking about and a lot of them received about 10 or 20 minutes of training before they were certified as, quote unquote, poll challengers. and there were way too many people in the room already. so when all of these new people just sort of arrived in, the officials of course had to block the door there. there was not -- it wasn't very subtle what a lot of these folks who flooded in were saying. it sounds a little like a joke but literally one of the complaints that was documented by republican lawyers was a woman named karen complaining about the lack of free parking. there were also individuals who said that they were, quote unquote, a pregnant white woman

in the crowd and they complained about -- they just complained about black lives matter masks and a man of intimidating size, quote, whos wa wearing i ablack lives matter shirt. so a lot of these complaints at the start once reporters looked into them weren't really substantive. they were all about optics. and that's essentially what we know from this new reporting, is that the trump campaign directly was involved in creating that scene altogether. and a lot of those people that you're seeing on the screen there, including those individuals who are pounding on the windows, were actually on the campaign operation or the payroll of either the rnc or trump victory or the michigan republican party or the trump campaign itself, chris. >> so with that knowledge, jane, you actually learned about a training session for 2024 michigan poll watchers. rnc providing volunteers who share trump's claims of voter fraud. and the tools, right? to challenge votes. what can you tell us? >> knowing what we know what happened in detroit, i've been asking for months to let me go

to one of these poll watcher trainings that happened all every o'the country and the rnc does behind closed doors. they refused but we obtained a video that shows us essentially how they're giving all these tools that could be used to disrupt the election and no guardrails. so in michigan it's a little bit different than some states. you can actually challenge the eligibility of another voter. and this was used in sort of a disruptive effect in 2020 in that room that we just saw. now, the training actually gives people all the different ways that you can challenge somebody for citizenship, age, residency, registration, but it doesn't say how you would learn those things, how you would make a valid challenge, how you would use this law responsibly. and that's what's really important here, is that you have hundreds of people who believe false claims about the election who are being encouraged by the former president to believe there is widespread fraud in detroit and other non-white cities and swing states and they're not given any guardrails.

they're sort of setting them up for a very similar experience that we had in detroit. >> so stuart, as you look at this, as you hear what kind of training being done and not done, what do you see as the potential for havoc? >> well, first, let me congratulate the reporting on this because i think it's so incredibly important. look, this is 100% about race. let's don't pretend it's anything else. it has been from the beginning. where are all these suspect votes? detroit, philadelphia, atlanta. what do they have in common? high percentage of african american voters. those that voted not to certify those elections were basically trying to disenfranchise millions and millions of black voters. it's that simple. you know, they can't stop blacks from voting anymore the way they did in the '60s with the same kind of success, though with these voter challenges they're going to try.

and i think what is really to fear here is put yourself in the mindset that the trump campaign really doesn't think it can win, either the popular vote or electoral college. you look at this campaign, it makes no sense. he's not trying to add voters. what they want to do is they want to win the election night until the inauguration. and if they can go in and they can violently disrupt these counting centers, how will states be able to certify elections? you burn down a county center in arizona, how does the governor certify those elections? what world are we in then? and i think that we really have to anticipate that, think about it. one of the great ridiculousness about this big lie campaign is there was not one secretary of state in america, the majority of whom were republicans, who said that the election in their state was anything short of by the standard rules and fair and free. but that didn't stop trump. >> so jane, one of the things

that we have heard, and we've talked to some of these secretaries of state, we have talked to county officials who are organizing, we have seen on camera the kinds of security that they feel they need to put in. bulletproof glass. there are panic buttons that are going in to some poll sites. and multiple reports across multiple states of the difficulty of hiring people now, getting people who want to come and work in polls. and then you talk about 200,000 trump supporters who are going as poll watchers. look, we're not saying that there's something nefarious aboutl watcher per se. there can be a legitimate reason for that to happen. it can serve a purpose. but what's being done in terms of that push and pull that you have so many people out there, we saw what happened in detroit, we saw what happened elsewhere, and they need people to man these polling places?

>> yeah. polling watching is an incredibly normal and let's just be honest, a boring part of elections. you stand there and just watch all day long. and to be clear, the 200,000 number, the rnc has been unable to substantiate that number for me. and people who have run these kind of poll watching operations say that's a fantasy number, you're never going to get that many people. but election workers are nonetheless saying they are better prepared this cycle because of what happened in detroit, that indelible image of people banging on the windows. they say we know what to expect now, and they're going out of their way to try and prevent misunderstandings. they're labeling every box. they're saying -- they're announcing what they're doing on livestreams. panic buttons, as i reported recently, that they're giving those to poll workers so that if something goes wrong the police are on the line, they can get the situation under control and keep democracy working. and i will say what all the poll workers i talked to who -- and election officials who worked in detroit in the tcf center said we did it, we stayed strong and

kept counting the ballots and that's what matters. >> so stuart, when you talk about words mattering, and we've talked about that across many weeks, months, years and in the show. but donald trump has suggested that the u.s. military could be used to combat what he called the enemy from within. here's how the two vice presidential candidates responded to that idea. >> the idea of sending u.s. military personnel against american citizens makes me sick to my stomach. i'll tell you what. we'll let the lawyers decide if what he said was treason. but what i know is it's a call for violence. plain and simple. and it's pretty damn un-american if you ask me. >> well, is it a justifiable use of those assets if they're rioting and looting and burning cities down to the ground? of course it is. right? i think the question is is it a justifiable use of assets depends on what's actually happening. >> stuart, unpack that phrase for me, justifiable use of assets. >> yeah, that means are we

losing. that's what they're going to do. just think, no sports team that's winning has ever tried to change the rules. and this is what the trump campaign and republicans realize. we haven't won the popular vote except once since 1988. and we used to work at it. i worked for bush in 2004, was the last time we won. they've really given up on this. they're not trying to represent america in this big cacophonous changing country. they're trying to represent 85% of trump's coalition is white. it's a white grievance campaign. and look, the way trump is talking about this we must listen to it. we must believe it. he is talking about military tribunals for liz cheney, for general milley, of which the penalty could possibly be for death. i mean, we cannot normalize this. and it is shameful that every republican who has endorsed trump, who considers himself a republican citizen, is not calling this out.

>> ryan reilly and jane timm, thank you for exceptional reporting as always. stuart stevens, always good to have you on the program. appreciate it. you can see much more of this nbc news exclusive reporting tonight on "hallie jackson now." that is streaming at 5:00 p.m. eastern. again, you can find it on nbc news now. still ahead, his story became a symbol for hostages held in gaza. now the parents of hersh goldberg-polin are speaking out for the first time about the day they got the worst news imaginable. >> it was important to me to open the door before they got there. because the dread of hearing the knock on the door with such bad news was something that i didn't think i could bear. >> and when they walked in, did you know? >> they don't show up at your door at 4:00 in the morning with good news. can keep coming back. start to break away from uc with tremfya...

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afghan living in the united states was plotting an election day terror attack at the direction of what american officials now believe is the world's most dangerous terrorism organization. that's according to two law enforcement officials to tom winter and myself confirming that. isis-k is the afghanistan branch of isis. that group carried out the horrific attack on a moscow theater in april and u.s. officials say it was responsible for the suicide bombing that killed 13 u.s. service members in afghanistan in 2021. and the fbi is saying in a criminal complaint that nasir tawhedi the defendant here was planning to shoot people on election day. and he'd entered the country just ten days after the last u.s. troops left afghanistan in 2021. and u.s. officials say he went through a vetting process that found no ties to terrorism. but the fbi is still investigating exactly when he allegedly was radicalized. he was living with his wife and baby in oklahoma city. and as nbc news first reported last week, tawhedi had worked as a security guard for the cia in afghanistan, which is what made him eligible for entry into the

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gentle person. he really believed that peace would be very hard but that it could be possible. >> my name is hersh goldberg-polin. >> reporter: the day 23-year-old hersh goldberg-polin was executed by hamas along with five of the other hostages -- >> hersh! >> reporter: -- his parents rachel and jon were at the gaza border. >> stay strong. survive. >> hersh was found on his knees, frozen on his knees with his back against the wall. he had put up his hands. you know, he only had one hand. he put up his arms to protect himself. the gunshot, one of them was so, you know, right on his hand, went through his hand into his neck and came out the side of his head. hersh was just shy of six feet.

he weighed 115 pounds, 53 kilo, when we buried him. i think that it's really critical that the world knows that that is how these hostages are being held. >> reporter: rachel and jon say the month before hersh was killed they'd had reason to hope there would be a deal to stop the bloodshed in gaza and to release the hostages. >> so many of our leaders in the military and intelligence community in israel were saying this is a moment, we should do this deal. >> we subsequently did see a list, and hersh was on that list. >> how do you make sense of that deal being so close and then weeks later hersh being killed? >> it's one of the many things that we don't make sense of yet. i don't know that we ever will. >> do you know what happened to the men who killed hersh? >> they do know that the idf did kill two of them.

i have no interest in the people who killed him. i really don't. >> reporter: the footage of hersh, his arm blown off, being taken to gaza now a haunting symbol of the suffering of october 7th. >> hersh and all the hostages and by extension all the hostage families were pawns in a game. and pawns in chess are expendable. hersh was our universe. and i acknowledge that he's not everyone's universe. but it was very clear that he was expendable. to everyone but us. >> reporter: erin mclaughlin, nbc news, jerusalem. >> and we'll be right back. with you, and part of that evolution means choosing the right medicare plan for you. humana can help. hi, my name is sam davis and i'm going to tell you about medicare advantage prescription drug plans that can provide more coverage than

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