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still calling it that, we're certainly not around here, that was meandering and bizarre and uncomfortable to watch, and devolved into a listening party of donald trump's favorite tunes. an event that for many people raises more questions about the ex-president's stability and his ability to handle anything outside of what's been planned for him inside his bubble. last night, donald trump told his supporters to go out and vote on january 5th. that happened. he took just a few questions from north dakota governor kristi noem of dog killing fame in front of a preselected audience, and of course, it wouldn't be a trump event without donald trump going on a long diatribe about the fictional character hannibal lecter. that all happened and it's all bizarre enough, but the wheels actually didn't come off until two people in the audience fainted. here's what trump said in response to those medical emergencies. >> would anybody else like to

faint? >> let's do it now. >> please raise your hand. you know what we could do, though. if my guys could do it, how about we'll do a little music. let's make this a musical fest. looky looky. that's great. that's great. because it's nice and cool outside, right? >> yes. >> nice and cool. why don't -- i mean this, if my guys can hear me, two things. put up the chart, my favorite chart. my all-time favorite chart. and let's listen to pavarotti sing ave maria. >> because 22 days to go, that's what everybody does, right? well, there's more. a few minutes later, trump threw his hands in the air, no more charts. he gave up. no more questions. watch. >> let's not do any more questions. let's just listen to music.

let's make it into a music -- who the hell wants to hear questions, right? >> who the hell wants to hear questions? so here's what happens next. for the next 38 minutes, after that moment that we just showed you, trump decides to serve as a sort of deejay. he stood and he swayed to the music right there on stage, periodically rambling but mostly just standing there swaying silently. to give you an idea of how long 39 minutes is, and how long this went on for, if you weren't there, we're going to run it in its entirety. we'll keep talking, leave it at the bottom of the screen, but we'll keep a clock up and count the minutes to make clear so you can experience for yourself how excruciatingly long and completely weird it is for anyone, let alone a candidate for the presidency, to cut off an event and then play his campaign soundtrack for 38

minutes while he stands and sways. and i know we're in the trump era and i know everything has been normalized but you decide for yourself over these next 38 minutes if you want to use a lifeline. call a friend. and ask if they think that's normal. now, of course, there's trump campaign spin. we'll tell you what it is, and of course, sadly, some people are buying it. here's the spin. that this, which we're going to run for 38 minutes, was a, quote, love fest. that's what the campaign said about it. now, keep in mind that is the same term trump used to describe january 6th. but the campaign adds this, quote, president trump has more energy and more stamina than anyone in politics. he's the smartest leader the country has ever seen and he has wings and he can can fly and become invisible. you can decide which part they didn't actually say. north korean state tv couldn't have done this any better, this thing that happened last night for 39 minutes with cameras

rolling. now, despite the spin, which again, sadly, some people have accepted and simply repeated, the questions about what's actually going on with him and his mental acuity are multiplying. and seeping through a little bit. just today, cnbc said that donald trump was going to come on for an interview buzz he canceled. and here's what happened and what he did do today, a sit-down at the economic club of chicago. >> should google be breaking up? >> i just haven't gotten over something the justice department did yesterday. where virginia cleaned up its voter rolls and got rid of thousands and thousands of bad votes, and the justice department sued them that they should be allowed to put those bad votes, illegal votes back in and let the people vote. so i haven't -- i haven't gotten -- i haven't gotten over that. a lot of people have seen that,

they can't believe it. >> the question is about google. >> ask you about google, you talk about virginia and voter rolls. questioner comes back, but the question was about google. imagine that playing out in the sit room. seriously. now from team harris, it's all signs of a, quote, increasingly unstable and unhinged donald trump with growing questions about his stability becoming extremely authoritarian outbusts. last night, the harris campaign showed up and showed some of those. they showed up with receipts, playing a snippet of trump's long history of calling anyone who opposes him an enemy of this country. watch that. >> watch his rallies. listen to his words. he tells us who he is. and he tells us what he would do if he is elected president. so here tonight, i will show you

one example of donald trump's world view and intentions. please roll the clip. >> the worst people, enemies from within. the enemy from within. >> those people are more dangerous, the enemy from within, than russia and china. these people should be put in jail the way they talk about our judges and our justice system. if you had one really violent -- one rough hour, and i mean real rough. >> the bigger problem are the people from within. we have very bad people, sick people, radical left lunatics. and it should be very easily handled, if necessary by national guard or if really necessary by the military. >> so you heard his words. you heard his words coming from

him. he's talking about the enemy within pennsylvania. he's talking about the enemy within our country, pennsylvania. he's talking about that he considers anyone who doesn't support him or who will not bend to his will an enemy of our country. donald trump, donald trump is increasingly unstable and unhinged. and he is out for unchecked power. that's what he's looking for. he wants to send the military after american citizens. he has worked to prevent women from making their own health care decisions. and threaten your fundamental freedoms and rights like the freedom to vote, the freedom to be safe from gun violence, the freedom to breathe clean air and

drink clean water, the freedom to love who you love openly and with pride. >> that's where we start today. the starkness of the choice in 22 days. we don't get to decide who anyone will vote for, but we will do our best to make the choice as clear as possible. it turns out, so will vice president kamala harris. joining us, carol lenning, national investigative reporter for "the washington post," amanda carpenter is here, the former senator, claire mccaskill is here, and former congressman and msnbc political analyst david jolly is here. david, i start with you. i'm just going to deal with the elephant in the room. there's a lot of angst in the pro democracy coalition about the tight state of the polls. my counsel to anyone sharing their angst with me is, do something. that's a fear reaction.

to quote michelle obama, do something. you can't complain about the harris campaign because what vice president kamala harris is doing is she's going there. she's putting his both instability and his unhinged statements in front of the electorate and the press and saying, you decide. again, everybody gets to exercise their own right and freedom to vote, for now. you know, we can talk about whether that remains the choice in 22 days if donald trump prevails. but here is the choice. and i want to ask you first to weigh in on the 39 minutes. what did you see and what do you think the voters saw? >> well, first, nicolle, this is why your audience loves you. i promise you, because what you're doing is exactly what you just said, putting it in front of the american people. how unstable donald trump is, and how bizarre he is certainly as a candidate right now, but what that would translate to if he were to return to the white house. i find this week one of the most

unsettling, honestly, in the past eight years of donald trump. when he talks about using the military against political opponents, that is, yes, donald trump. maybe we have grown used to it, maybe we have not. that even seems like he's acknowledging something further than he has done before. but it also reflects the support of 48% of the country. what's so unsettling is arguably reflects a deep political rot in the united states. even arguably a cultural rot. sure, you can forgive a large portion of the 48% as maybe low information or medium information voters, but what about all of the republicans who know better, what about all of the elected republicans on capitol hill. your nominee just said he wants to use the military to go after political opponents. this is real. we're three weeks away. i think what you heard from vice president harris there at that rally is actually going to be her closing message. because this is, yes, about

policy, and certainly post dobbs there are a lot of people ready to vote to reject donald trump for what he did with dobbs. but i'm not sure the final question on people's mind needs to be about policy. i think vice president harris knows that as well, which is why she played those clips at her own rally. i would also say it plays to her most gettable, persuadable voters which are republicans. i think they're going to see vice president harris take this message to more and more republicans and say, can you really support a republican nominee who suggests using the national guard, the military, to go and round up political opponents in the united states? because you're three weeks away from having to answer that question. >> well, i would also say -- let me actually show you more of donald trump because this is all happening in real time. here he was, this is more of his interview at the economic club of chicago. >> he was going to tax american companies doing business in france. a very substantial tax. and i told my people, i'm not -- i didn't even like the companies

but i'm representing american companies. so i said, call macron and call his people and say we're not going to stand for that. and i got mnuchin and a lot of guys, smart guys, if i can finish. i'll go longer if you want. you have to be able -- you have to be able to finish a thought because it's very important. this is big stuff we're talking about. you can't go that quickly. let me just tell you, so i said, no, i'm just telling you it's called the weave. >> amanda carpenter, trump calls it the weave. but a serious interviewer there just articulated something that i think a lot of us struggle with. he said i asked about the federal reserve. you have gone from the dollar to macron. you haven't answered the question about the federal reserve. this is a symptom, certainly not the cause, but hearing it called out that way and hearing him

interrupted, i think highlights the disservice that's been done by fox news. they have an obligation as the only people who regularly interview him, to catch this stuff. maybe they would have championed all that stuff, maybe it includes using the military against enemies from within, but this is the result, where we are, where trump has to be corrected again at the economic club by someone who says i asked about the federal reserve. you have gone from the dollar to macron. nowhere near the federal reserve. >> yeah, you know, i don't feel qualified to make an assessment of his mental acuity, but i am certainly comfortable saying that this is evidence of an executive who expects to be indulged and catered to at all times. it is not used to being challenged and used to getting free reign to go on whatever tangent he chooses. that's clear by evidence of the rally where you're playing that tape. nicolle, the scene here is not

just about trump. it is as david jolly pointed out, the people who are around him and continue to indulge him. i mean, wouldn't it be nice if kristi noem had as much patience say for her pet animals as she did for donald trump on stage right there? it's really stunning. that's why it's so critical to just put the statements that trump is making, where he is, i am convinced, completely sound of mind, which would dismantle our democracy, nor talking about the very specific 1700s laws like the alien enemies act and bringing up the insurrection act. he knows what he's doing when he says that. and yet, the republicans who continue to indulge him wave that away and act like he never said that or is somehow acting off the cuff. virginia governor glenn youngkin was asked about this over the weekend, and he just dodged and weaved to borrow a word, and saying i don't think he meant that. but he said it consistently over and over again.

we should believe him. and the reason he is so comfortable saying these things is because there are no republicans on stage with him who ever challenge him on it. >> carol, i know you will not dabble into any -- none of us should, we have no idea why he did what he did. it's just important not to keep it from anybody. so that's why we're playing it. it's still running. we're at minute 12:51, standing on the stage and swaying. i went back and read from stable junius, your first book, about the tank briefing. and some of what they locked him in there for was an education. some of what became clear in your subsequent reporting is he couldn't be educated because his views were more hardened than people think. tell me your current state of understanding about the national security concerns of this donald trump running for the third time. >> nicolle, i'm really glad that you're focusing on that issue,

but especially showing how it intersects with donald trump the candidate of 2024 versus donald trump the president of 2020. i look back on his first administration and see all of the ways that he said exactly the same things he's saying now. he just said them privately. he wanted, let's go back in time a little. in 2019, and forgive me, in 2018, 2019, and 2020, he was pressing his military officials to let him use the u.s. military, the national guard against the public. most notably, in the wake of george floyd's murder and the protests that rose up from that minneapolis man's death at the hands of police. he wanted to use the power of the department of justice and the fbi to target people who had

been political and policy enemies of his. for example, mr. comey, the fbi director. andrew mccabe, the deputy fbi director. other individuals who had pressed for an investigation of his campaign, he wanted them audited. he wanted them investigated. he wanted them indicted. and in some respects, he was lobbying all of this privately. now, he's just saying it a lot more out loud. and he's no longer hemmed in by a white house counsel or a chairman of the joint chiefs of staff or a secretary of defense who told him no. mark esper told him no, mr. president, we are not going to use the national guard in the way that you are proposing. mark milley told him, no, mr. president, we're not going to have a military force used in a civilian protest situation.

don mcgahn told him, no, mr. president, we're not going to use the department of justice and stop the robert mueller investigation. that's not going to happen. now, they said it in gentler ways, no doubt, than the way i'm paraphrasing it now. but what you see, nicolle, and what you are amplifying and giving a spotlight to is how donald trump believes he will get his way on those questions and those orders as the president if he is elected in november. he is saying out loud that he will use the government the way he sees fit. the military, the justice department, and people who are on the wrong side of him will be the targets. >> i want to ask you about stan mcchrystal's endorsement of kamala harris, carol. you know, for all the time we spend sort of waiting for someone to come save us, we have all the information we need. mike pence isn't supporting donald trump. the reason jd vance is on the ticket, the most unpopular vice

president in history, we should remind folks, as trump is still swaying. we're at minute 16:34. still swaying. so people should take a long look at jd vance, because trump does more swaying than governing. jd vance could be a real person in your living room every day for four years or whenever the swaying stops. i mean, you have to take that in if you're in the trump coalition, if you're in the maga coalition. i just want -- while you were talking, i made a list. esper is not voting for donald trump, secretary of defense. pence isn't voting for donald trump, his vice president. tillerson, who called him an f'ing moron, not voting for donald trump. romney not voting for donald trump. general kelly not voting for donald trump. and stan mcchrystal's harrowing words about character. tell me what the portrait of the lack of character was that you have been able to report on donald trump for nine years and how you hear stan mcchrystal's really rather extraordinary endorsement of vice president

kamala harris. >> great question. let me give you two answers. first, people should remember what a huge deal it is that stanley mcchrystal chose to do this in this very public way. it's not a surprise, by the way, that mcchrystal is a critic of donald trump, but it is a huge deal for people in the military firment, and this was true for milley, mark milley. enormous deal for people in this world to not having served necessarily as civilians but often literally the core of the military, to say i have a political stand and i'm taking it to you, and i'm sharing it with you. it's not a small thing. they're their equivalent of an alarm bell, a five-alarm fire. that's one thing. the second thing that you reference about moral character, i will go back to your first

question a little about the tank. the thing in the tank in july of 2017 was gripping to me and my co-author because as people came forward to tell us what they experienced that day, they were breaking kind of a lifelong code of keeping the confidence of the president, keeping his counsel, and not sharing what they shared with him or what he shared with them inside the walls of the pentagon, the situation room, or the white house. they were also sounding a five-alarm fire with us as we wrote this book about the first several years of donald trump's presidency. and in that room in the tank, what is the goal? tillerson, the secretary of state, mattis, the secretary of defense, milley, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, and also john kelly, the chief of staff at the white house, all have kind of gotten together and said, we need to explain to

donald trump, who doesn't seem to have a very good grasp on american history, didn't read those books in high school or college, we need to explain to him what is the value to our country's security of nato. that was their number one goal. they want to explain it to him so he gets that ripping apart nato makes america less safe. makes americans, puts them in danger. instead, what they got was a lion roar back from donald trump who did not like being schooled. and said to them, you all are losers. you have lost this iraq war. you have lost this afghanistan war. i wouldn't go to war with you people. and the tirade he gives them, these are the people who have given their lives to the country's security. the tirade he gives them in that room, nicolle, brings women who are pretty solid people, pretty strong, pretty tough, brings them to tears. and generals in the room are noticing this and wondering, you

know, how much worse can it get than this moment where we're trying to help our president, and he instead is violating this important code we have all sworn to protect the country and to have a bond with each other. >> how much worse can it get? i just wrote that down. i'll keep that on my desk for the next 21 days. carol, thank you for starting us off. everyone else sticks around. as we go to break, though, importantly, for the purposes of this conversation, donald trump is still swaying to the music. if you go back to when this started last night, we're just at 21 minutes. we're just at the halfway point in our real time replay of that, you could experience however you want, we find it disturbing. maybe you find it entertaining. again, you're the judge of that. but we're going to play it until the end. unedited and uninterrupted. he'll still be going when we come back. later on, though, already a report breaking day at the polls in the state of georgia. a high water mark for day one of

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i don't know if you saw last night, having a town hall, he got asked about health care and child care and didn't answer those.

then he spent 30 minutes standing on stage listening to music in front of this. i'm going to be the first to say this. it is pretty funny stuff if he didn't want to be president of the united states. it's pretty funny stuff if he weren't going to try to deny women their reproductive rights. it's pretty funny stuff if he wasn't going to try and rip health care away from all of us with the aca. or if he wasn't threatening us in different ways. >> we're back with amanda, david, and claire. we're at minute 26. if you attended the trump rally if you're a journalist, you have now watched him sway for 26 minutes and counting. >> yeah. um, you know, and i gotta tell you, people online that are in maga world or trying to say, oh, it was a medical emergency. i can assure everyone that it didn't take 39 minutes to help two people who fainted. this is a window into this guy.

he sees himself as an entertainer, not as a leader. he sees himself as a marketer, whether it's his cheap ass tennis shoes or his cheap ass watches or his phony bitcoin stuff. he is constantly grifting. he won't do a "60 minutes" interview. he won't debate. he won't do a joint town hall. he won't go on cnbc. he won't release his medical records. he will only go to interview where he's warm and comfy. and the one thing that kind of struck me about some of the elected officials that are trying to defend this guy when he says he wants to use our military, our military, to go after people who oppose him in the election, they say, well, we don't believe him. well, you know, his followers believed him when he said haitians were eating dogs and cats. his followers believed him when

he lied about hurricane recovery. his followers, i assume, his followers believe him when he says he's going to use america's military to go after united states citizens who have a different opinion than he does. i mean, this is about as un-american as you can get, nicolle. it is about as treacherous and traitorous as you can possibly become, under what we have respected which is our constitution of the united states. the idea that they believe him when he says this fanciful bs and then they say, he doesn't really mean it when he says the really scary stuff. i think carol laid out very well how hard he tried to do this kind of stuff in his first term. but the people around him stopped him, and he will not make that mistake again. he will not have anybody around him to stop him in a second

term. period. >> claire, i want to ask you to deal with something that i think is a brilliant tactic. vice president kamala harris playing the clips of trump, and it's consistent. she meant what she said in the debate. when she invited that massive television audience to watch his rallies. and i think the reason she had to resort to playing the clips is because not everybody is broadcasting his rallies. we're playing the whole thing because i'm not sure where else it's available in its entirety. it's in the corner, we can make it bigger for you and post it, but that's what you like, and if the campaign isn't gaslighting all the media when they said today that it was a, quote, love fest, let's see if they schedule another sing-along for tomorrow. if they don't, the spin is bullshit. if you're a reporter who covers trump, you'll know you have been lied to and hopefully you won't do it again.

this was not a love fest. i worked on a lot of campaigns. i'm not able to say what it was because i don't know what's going on, but we have covered enough speeches where trump supporters drop like flies, and you know why we know that happens? because he acknowledges it and he keeps going. so this couldn't have been the first time trump saw people in his crowd faint and decide to do something different. people pass out in his crowds all the time. vaughn hillyard, who has been at events in las vegas where it was dangerously hot, reported he just sort of barreled on. and he's talked about it in iowa on the trail, being indifferent to whether his supporters live or die, just wants them to vote. i want you, claire, to tell me where you see the clarity that the vice president is trying to bring to the choice, both by tweeting about this event, which again, we saw it on her feed. we looked at the whole tape. we're only at 30 minutes. there are ten more minutes of trump standing silently next to the self-described dog killer. swaying to his playlist.

this goes on for ten more minutes. while vice president harris is making sure that the press and the people at the rallies see what he's saying about using the military against american citizens. >> yeah, she means it when she says go listen to his rallies. if you have somebody in your circle of friends or acquaintances you believe might be undecided or might be persuadable, help them find one of his rallies on tv. help them get -- i mean, the are places you can get them because there's these fringy right-wing networks that cover every word he says ad nauseam. you can find them. we typically don't take the whole thing because we don't typically you should take someone writ large when they're lying every other sentence. so we don't take them the whole thing, but if you watch one from beginning to end, it's unsettling. and if you were an undecided voter i think you would find it unsettled. all this boils down to one

important characteristic. yes, there's character around integrity which is totally gone in this man. there's a lack of morality in this man, as we have seen from the court cases and how he's lived his life. but his judgment, i mean, this is his judgment. it was his judgment to scream out, they're eating cats and dogs, in his debate. it was his judgment that decided it was a good idea to stop a town hall, refuse to take any more questions, and listen to a really bizarre playlist for 40 freaking minutes. that's his judgment. and if you don't have judgment as a president of the united states, we are in big trouble. and that is the problem here. his judgment was off in his first term. but there were layers of protection around him of people who understood the law and what the law was supposed to prescribe and keep him from doing. he will not have that next time.

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. it's still going. it's almost over but not yet. if you have been watching us since the beginning, thank you. but he swayed longer than we have been on the air. amanda carpenter. >> yeah, i mean, it is just a stunning amount of time when you really see the ticker go on the clock like that and all the people, kristi noem along with the crowd is sort of a cheerleader on the side there. i mean, bizarre is the only word that comes to mind when you see this scene. but i think the harris campaign is really smart in their messaging to sort of say, yes, this is bizarre, but you have to remember how much of a serious threat he does pose, because the policy things that he is going to pursue will do real harm for americans. it's just a real tricky message to try to manage. but i think they're doing it

well, and it's an important one. >> vice president harris calling it unstable and unhinged. it's about to end. david jolly, then he sort of meanders off. without kamala harris drawing this, again, to our attention, and tying it to the danger of the policies, i have to say, i'm not sure we would go what to do with it because we still are like deer in the headlights when it comes to covering trump. >> which is why i mean, i suggest this may be her closing message and i realize that's a bit unorthodox, but consider what this race is really about in three weeks and i know whatever issue is important to you, it's about that issue, i understand that. but where we saw in seven states the issue of post dobbs and reproductive freedom drove a lot of new voters to the polls, certainly we'll see that, no question about that. but i'm not sure the contrast coming up in november is really a policy contrast. i really think the question is

about donald trump himself. i think the vice president knows that as well. look, she has had a 100-day campaign like nobody else has. she's worked this campaign harder than anybody has. she's presented an agenda to the american people. but among those persuadable voters i'm not sure they're really going into the voting booth thinking about policy. i really think they're going into it thinking, do i want donald trump to be president again? either because i don't understand 35 minutes of him swaying to november rain by guns and roses or because i read carol's book or because the nation is so torn asunder ever since he came upon the scene. that's the question. and i think what you see at the very beginning of vice president harris' campaign is an acknowledgment and recognition of that with her motto, her slogan, not going back. not going back is exactly what's on voters' minds when they go into the voting booth in november. are we going to go back to donald trump? someone who on the campaign stage seems unsteady sxun hinged and also that would translate to

his behavior in the white house. i think as you alluded to, the georgia voters, i think we're going to see a lot of people racing to the polls to vote on exactly this question about donald trump. >> amanda and david, thank you for enduring. we'll always have those 39 minutes, guys. always. the four of us. the five of us with carol. thank you for sticking around. claire stays even longer. voting is under way right now in the key battleground state of georgia. we'll talk voter enthusiasm next. next

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it was a no-brainer for me. yes, i had no qualms. >> what made it an easy decision? >> um, sanity versus insanity. you know, criminal versus prosecutor. >> it was a vote against project 2025. i want to make sure that everyone has what they need for this country. it's very important, this is an important election. so project 2025 was a no vote for me. >> i did it for me mother who is, of course, long dead, and her mother, and all of the women that i grew up with who were so eager to be americans. it was such a privilege. i couldn't wait. >> i love when we actually hear from people who are actually

voting. that was just a small sample of the thousands of voters who lined up today, this morning, to cast their ballots on the first day of early voting in the key battleground state of georgia. this is a live shot. they're still on line right now. it's been a record-setting day with more than 250,000 and counting georgians showing up to vote, breaking 2020's record of 136,000 by 1:00 p.m. both vice president kamala harris and second gentleman doug emhoff will be campaigning in the battleground state this week which democrats won in 2020 which we all know from donald trump's infamous call to cheat and the find me the votes phone call, just over 11,000 votes. early voting continues until november 1st. joining me at the table, president of reproductive freedom for all, mini tim arogue. >> the antidote to anxiety for democrats is to get off line, go

hit doors, go talk to voters. i have been on the vote, i just did two quick trips to pennsylvania. look, it's definitely tightening and there's a lot of anxiety on the ground, but our folks, they're showing up, as we're seeing in georgia. folks are ready to participate. folks are actually ready to stop hearing the campaign ads in some of these places. they're getting completely saturated. i was just in allentown, like, oh, my god. stop canvassing me, i'll vote already. the message is almost like, hey, vote. then you'll get off the list. >> wear your i voted sticker everywhere. >> the good news is they're excited still. they're joking around about the level of engaget but they're excited and engaged and not just showing up to vote, they're showing up to knock on doors and to make phone calls and do texts, and that's the stuff you can't really measure in polling. >> claire. >> yeah, listen, this is now about who is going to show up. and i do think we got to remember that the voters that

decide at the last minute are what we call the feels voters. i think david jolly was right in the last segment when he said the people who make up their mind at the end are not doing it on policy. they are doing it on how the candidates make them feel. do they -- and the question in this election is, will people show up who want to be hopeful and feel good about america or will people show up who are angry and convinced that somehow donald trump is a savior of everything that they have in terms of a grievance? that's really what this is setting up to be. i am an optimist. i believe people are going to show up because they believe in this country and they believe in the better angels of this country, and they believe in the values that have carried us to this day in our history. and those are not the values that donald trump is all about. so i think the feels voters should be on our side, and i do

think we still have more enthusiasm than they have, regardless of the polls tightening, and quit looking at them, everybody. quit looking at them. they haven't been right for a while. why are you getting all twisted in a knot about it. >> that's where i think the two parties have such different dna. i would say stare long and hard and put them away and you decide. you and you and you and everybody watching will decide the outcome of the election. it serves the campaign well to have a tied race. >> what we have to remember is in just a short period of time, there democrats have come from behind and kamala harris has closed a gap, and a record period of time for americans to get to know her. >> because voters like her. >> because voters like her, and this is where i slightly disagree with david. i think the last-minute voters are going to do it on feels, that's right, but the voters who are showing up now, they care about policy, and our issues are driving the turnout. >> the issue of choice and project 2025. i mean, claire, credit all the

folks across news and culture. i think it was taraji p. henson who used her platform to warn about project 2025 months ago, and i take your point on sort of all of us on the polls, but i think as a campaign, you don't want the polls to show you way ahead. you can't have one person stay home or say, like, i'm late or i can't be late again for work. you need to communicate to anyone who wants to continue to live in a democracy, that's the harris coalition, the pro-democracy coalition, the american flags at her convention, not the mass deportation placard. anyone who associated with the american flag is part of that coalition that she's talking to. you need every one of them to believe that every single one of us matters on election day. >> well, i think the polls have certainly served that purpose at this point. i think everyone understands that this is not a run-away, even though for many of us it's hard to understand why it's this close. it is.

it is close particularly in the swing states that matter. particularly in those places where the campaigns are spending so much of their time. so i do think the last-minute decision makers will be feels voters and i think they'll feel better about kamala harris, and i do think the policies that are driving the margins for democratic senate candidates are going to help and lift kamala harris. >> i have to sneak in a break. i want to talk about that on the other side. on the other side plans that can enhance your life in so many ways. it starts with peace of mind. humana's medicare advantage plans offer $0 or low monthly plan premiums. and there's a cap on your out-of-pocket costs. these plans can even include coverage for the medications you take to feel your best every day. with $0 copays on hundreds of prescriptions. most plans include dental, vision, even hearing coverage. so you can fully participate in the lives of the people you love. and plans have $0 copays for in-network preventive services. so you'll feel

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mini, you're out there working on down ballot races. tell us what you're feeling. >> i'm feeling cautiously optimistic. i don't want to be too optimistic, to your point earlier, the polls are showing everybody in a dead heat. in some cases, some champions of ours are actually down. i was just talking about montana. was in montanta a few weeks ago for the abortion ballot measure. it's polling fantastic. jon tester is not polling as well. we had an event in a town of 9,000, and 500 people showed up. for the ballot measure and also for tester and democratic candidates. so the enthusiasm is on our side. we always knew the polls were going to tighten. i was in allentown today with representative wild. she filed the first ivf bill in the house. she's ahead of the curve. we were with story tellers talking about their ivf and abortion stories. it was powerful, and again, people are showing up. and that's what we're seeing, energy on our side. >> and the outcome on election

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there. my presence in that moment and in that environment created a perception of the military involved in domestic politics. as a commissioned uniformed officer, it was a mistake that i learned from. and i sincerely hope we can all learn from it. >> it's now 5:00 in new york. takes a lot for any human being to admit a mistake. and probably an extra allot for a man of his stature, a man in uniform to make that kind of declaration publicly, just to

own it. but i show it to you because it demonstrates just how far general mark milley who was then the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff wanted to separate himself from what he did and from -- how much he wanted to separate the military, the united states military, from domestic politics. general milley made that televised apology after he was photographed with then-president trump walking through washington, d.c.'s lafayette square following authorities who were using tear gas to clear peaceful protests. so the idea that general milley would say or do anything ever again that would give even the slightest sense he would ever again make that mistake and wade into politics is important to have in mind. it illustrates, i think it's the most public facing piece of evidence of his degree of alarm now. today, about this. our election. in newly revealed conversations

between general milley and the author bob woodward, written about in bob woodward's new book "war" general milley felt compelled to clarify and articulate his concern about the future of our country should donald trump ever return to power. he cornered bob woodward at a 200-person reception in march 2023 and said, quote, he is the most dangerous person ever. i had suspicions when i talked to you about his mental health decline -- mental decline and so forth, but now i realize, he's a total fascist. he is the most dangerous person to this country, end quote. a fascist to the core, general milley repeated. bob woodward said he will never forget the intensity of milley's worry in that moment. now, this should be stop everything stuff, right? truly stunning words out of the mouth of one of the most respected people in this country, one of the most

respected people who has ever served our country. and we should focus on them because we have them now. and we're just 21 days out from this hugely consequential election. and those words were uttered by a man who devoted his entire life, literally decades, protecting the men and women who served under him and all of us who went about our lives protecting the american people by upholding the u.s. constitution. at his retirement ceremony last year, general milley nodded to donald trump's anti-democratic impulses but did so without naming names. >> we don't take an oath to a country. we don't take an oath to a religion. we don't take an oath to a king. or a queen. or a tyrant. or a dictator. we don't take an oath to a wanna be dictator. >> a juany be dictator. only one guy who fits that description. and we have that.

we have that information. and now we have this from woodward's book. milley's warning to bob woodward that the man running to be our commander in chief is, quote, fascist to the core. general milley's words, hold even more weight over these past few days as we have heard the ex-president's mask slip and publicly call americans who disagree with donald trump and maga, quote, the enemy within, end quote. trump's rhetoric so dangerous that vice president kamala harris highlighted it during her rally last night. she played it, as we showed you in our last hour. what she played at her rally was a compilation of trump's comments and made remarks that echo what we heard general milley warn us about. >> this is among the reasons i believe so strongly that a second trump term would be a huge risk for america and

dangerous. donald trump -- donald trump is increasingly unstable and unhinged. and he is out for unchecked power. that's what he's looking for. >> clarity, vice president kamala harris is giving you clarity. to choose whomever you would like in november, but you will have clarity, and so is general mark milley. he's given it to bob woodward. he's given it at that speech about a wanna be dictator. right? harris is right now taping a live radio conversation with charlamagne tha god in detroit. we'll bring you some of those comments if they're available, we'll show them to you, play them for you as soon as we have them. but the current gop presidential nominee being according to the

former chairman of joint of staff a fascist who is the most dangerous person to the country is where we start the hour with some of our most val sued and favored friends. barry mccaffrey is here, and ceo of iraq and afghanistan veterans of america, allison jaslow is here. barry mccaffrey, i start you. your thoughts on what we have in terms of information. i feel like we wasted a lot of time waiting for the event where they announced their endorsement of kamala harris when all the information is staring us in the face. >> this is all out in the open. you have to go back to 2020, when it was clear to me and other observers, and i was saying this on nbc news, that trump was setting up obviously the potential for a coup against the constitution of the united states to seize the election. he had an acting secretary of homeland security, he had an

acting attorney general, he had an acting secretary of defense. he tried to fire the cia director and put an acting director in there. and we should also remind ourselves that the chairman of the jcs, general mark milley at the time, but continuing, has no command authority over the armed forces at all. he's an adviser to the president, the secretary offense defense, and the national security council. so when secretary esper was fired, and disappeared and a retired lieutenant colonel appeared as the acting sec defurc, not confirmed by the senate, the legal chain of command was trump and this retired lieutenant colonel. so we have to understand that there was a potential for essentially an armed insurrection suppression of an election. mark milley, 100 years from now, is going to be studied as a

figure of integrity and principle and helping along with the media and many republican politicians in saving the country. >> allison, let me read you more about general milley's life since retiring as reported by bob woodward. >> since retiring, milley had received a nonstop barrage of death threats that he at least in part attributes to trump's repeated aggressive attempts to discredit him. quote, he's inciting people to violence with violent rhetoric, milley told his wife, but he does it in such a way it's through the power of suggestion, which is exactly what he did on the 6th of january. as a former chairman, milley was provided round the clock government security for two years but he had taken additional precautions at significant personal expense, installing bulletproof glass and blast proof curtains at his home. this is the world that trump has

wrought for the former chairman of the joint chiefs. general mark milley. >> yeah, it's terrifying. i can't even imagine reading about putting the bulletproof glass in his home, which, obviously he's someone who served in the military, has been to war, but certainly his family isn't battle hardened like the general is. you know, this also brings up an important point as to what my organization is currently involved in, in terms of the work of what we're undergoing is traveling across the country right now with our partner in democracy first, bringing together veterans and their neighbors to have conversations about the future of our democracy here. and one of the key tenants we're trying to get citizens across the country to agree to is not supporting any elected leaders or candidates who will incite political violence, there has to

be a red line there. there's a real movement, i think its great somebody like general milley is speaking out but it's your everyday veterans who need to rise up in this moment and call for better in our country so we can have a brighter future than the one we feel like we're living in right now. >> general mccaffrey, let me show you how governor walz is trying to do what allison just articulated. >> as someone who wore this nation's uniform proudly, as someone who now is the commander and chief of the minnesota national guard, the idea of sending u.s. military personnel against american citizens makes me sick to my stomach. i'll tell you what. we'll let the lawyers decide if what he said was treesen, but what i know is it's a call for violence, plain and simple. it's pretty damn un-american, if you ask me. so look. if anybody wants to pretend that this is a normal conversation

that donald trump is having, just dispel that. the former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, mark milley, said no one has ever been more dangerous to this country than donald trump, and he is a fascist to his core. let that sink in and don't be a damn bit afraid of saying it because that's exactly who he is. that's exactly who he is. >> what i want to ask you is, do you think this is as close as we will come to hearing this from general milley? do you think he'll be -- this book has been out a week. i didn't jump on this the day it came out. i thought for some reason it isn't true. general milley knows how to set the record straight. it's been out there for several days. do you think he'll be content letting bob woodward be the deliverer of his belief that donald trump is, quote, fascist to his core? >> i think a lot of these people who served with trump are very

reluctant to become part of the election machinery of contention. you know, this general kelly, four-star marine, white house chief of staff, worked directly with trump, has also denounced him as unfit to be president of the united states. secretary jim mattis, retired four-star marine, one of the most influential combat figures in the u.s. military since world war ii, has also denounced trump as dangerous to the constitution. so i don't think we need to rely upon mark milley on a day in, day out message basis to continue the message. this fellow is clearly, i'm a student of military history, this is 1930s in germany in many ways. and many of the maga supporters that i hear from and read about are articulating the same message. using the armed forces of the united states against domestic enemies and deporting millions

of refugees in this country, illegally here or not, back to where they came from, using the armed forces of the united states. this is not the purpose of the u.s. armed forces. this is incredibly unsettling, dangerous rhetoric by someone whose character is unfit to be the commander in chief of the armed forces. >> allison, i guess i asked a question about whether general milley would be content to let bob woodward deliver the message because trump is going after the press as well, and the truth is the press is a vehicle for communicating milley' belief that trump is, quote, fascist to the core. is fine as long as there is a press, but here's what trump plans should he be re-elected. this is him at the economic club of chicago today attacking the press. >> it's only been because of the fake news, because the news is really fake. that's the one we really have to straighten. we have to straighten out our press because we have a corrupt press. >> and actually, let me show you

a little bit of what the press was trying to elicit from him, clarity on, this is trump talking about the peaceful transfer of power. >> three weeks to go until the election. will you commit now to respecting and encouraging a peaceful transfer of power? >> well, you had a peaceful transfer of power? >> you had a peaceful transfer of power? come on, president trump. >> you always have -- >> you had a peaceful transfer of power compared to venezuela but by far the worst transfer of power for a long time. >> thank you. i appreciate that because this is -- you know, what they like to do, this is what they like to do. >> the question, president trump, is would you respect the decision? >> when i found out about this interview, i did a little check. this is a man that has not been a big trump fan over the years. the primary scene in washington was hundreds of thousands, the largest group of people i have ever spoken before, and i have spoken, and it was love and

peace. and some people went to the capitol. and a lot of strange things happened there. i'll tell you what, those people that did go there, which was a tiny fraction of the people that went to washington. not one of those people had a gun. nobody was killed except for ashli babbitt. >> i mean, allison, his own secret service radio traffic revealed that lots of people were carrying ar-style weapons, someone wearing fatigues hanging in a tree between the white house and the capitol, and several law enforcement officials died by suicide in the days that ensued. none of that is true, but importantly, using the press is fine as long as there is a free press. and i wonder your thoughts on this notion that general milley believes trump is fascist to the core, and at this point, our narrator for that would be bob woodward. >> well, general milley is a man of character. i certainly wasn't in the rooms

that he was in that led him to that conclusion, but i'm inclined to believe him and take him at his word. you know, i think as it relates to the press and the free press, i'm someone who cares deeply about this country and i think a strong fourth of state is essential to our democracy and the future of our nation, and i also think, you know, whether it's the current president or the former president, unfortunately, there are also photographers in the press, and so one can try and split hairs as to unfair coverage by reporters. but when the american people are able to see with their own eyes what happened on january 6th or what happened at kabul when we were pulling out of afghanistan, the photos speak for themselves. so i -- honestly, any politician or any elected leader would try to tell people that they can't believe what they're seeing with their own eyes. we have photos.

and video. >> and because we have been talking about general milley, i do want to read from his resignation letter drafted in june, days after lafayette square. he would continue to serve, but this was obtained by the media. quote, you are using the military to create fear in the minds of the people. and we are trying to protect the american people. i cannot stand idly by and participate in that attack, verbally or otherwise, on the american people. the american people trust their military and they trust us to protect them against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and our military will do just that. we will not turn our back on the american people. general barry mccaffrey and allison, extraordinary times, and we're really grateful to have your expertise and your wisdom on this. thank you for starting us off. when we come back, we'll bring in our panel on the significance of high level military leaders speaking out through the media or otherwise about what they saw during the first trump administration. how vice president kamala harris is making that case and playing

those clips and bringing the receipts about the dangers of a second trump term. we'll ask them how voters are responding to all of it. we're also getting the first clips of vice president kamala harris' interview with radio host charlamagne tha god, it's a crucial part of her battle to win the battleground states and it's happening right now. we'll play the highlights in a couple minutes. "deadline: white house" continues after a very short break. don't go anywhere. break. don't go anywhere. conflict is raging across the world, and millions of children's lives are being devastated by war, hunger, disease and poverty. we urgently need your help to reach children in crisis. please call or go online to give just $10 a month. only $0.33 a day. we need 1000 new monthly donors this month to help children in crisis

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happening right now, vice president kamala harris is holding a town hall with popular radio host charlamagne tha god, taking place in detroit, and we can listen in. let's do that.

>> who have broken the law, and this is no small issue. this piece in addition to everything else, because as we know, we have seen plenty of examples of a police officer who committed misconduct in one jurisdiction and then goes to another jurisdiction and gets hired because there's no place that's tracking their misconduct. so these are some of the things we have done. and listen, i'm still going to always work on getting the george floyd justice and policing act passed. part of the work i'm doing as a candidate for president of the united states includes lifting up those candidates who are running either for re-election or for the first time to congress who are supportive of what we need to do on all of these issues we have been discussing. whether it be freedom to vote and passing the john lewis voting rights advancement act, whether it be freedom to make decisions about your own body, whether it be the freedom to just be and be free from any brutality including police brutality when and where it occurs. >> i think a lot of the

frustration comes from people who will say sometimes politicians volunteer lies. yes, it's great to try the pass the george floyd policing act but you probably know you can't get the votes so why push that on people when you can't get the votes? >> i don't subscribe to that approach and i'm going to tell you why. look, it took a long time for the voting rights act to get done. it took -- it took the brutality of what happened when john lewis and all those were trying to cross the edmund pettus bridge. it took -- it took a lot of work over our history to do what we have accomplished thus far. and we have to remain committed. >> how do you convince republican senators as you just said? >> part of it is that their constituents are part of this. i mean, we have plenty of folks who want this, who live in districts where they serve. and this is the point, this gets back to the earlier point about you can't let anybody take you

out of the game by not voting. the solutions and maybe this is the point you're making about what president obama is saying, the solutions are not going to happen just overnight, and the solutions that we all want are not going to happen in totality because of one election, but here's the thing. the things that we want and are prepared to fight for won't happen if we're not active and if we don't participate. we cannot allow circumstances to take us out of the game because then basically what we're saying is all those people who are obstructionists, who are standing in the way of change, they're winning. because they're convincing people that it can't be done so take yourself out, don't participate. look at that circle. look at that vicious circle then. so let's not fall for it. >> zeke, this is my man seek, president and ceo of new era detroit.

he wants to talk to you about your black male agenda for the black community. just your agenda for the black community period. zeke, what's up? >> what up? madam vice president, charlamagne tha god, welcome to detroit. >> yes, sir. >> good to be back. >> i like to say the real detroit because i'm up in here. my name is zeke. new air founder, ceo. i worked on the ground here in detroit and in black communities all across the country, over the passing years celebrating our tenth year this past august. in my ten years of organizing, we played a major role in a resurgence of pride and the change of mindset in detroit neighborhoods across the city. we're not only known for the work we do here in detroit but across the country in black communities. having worked in over 35 cities, the blackest cities in america. saying all that to say i'm extremely qualified to sit in

front of the current vice president and which can be the next president of the united states of america. as i pose my question to you, i will first like to make it known that i don't have any emotional connections to politicians. i believe that this is one of our biggest flaws in the current political process. i view politics as a business. and america is one of the biggest corporations in the world. with that being said, i'm here on behalf of the business of the black community. with all that black americans have been through and contribute to the success of america, i feel that there should be an investigation or evaluation of the lack of resources and current living conditions in black communities nationwide. my question to you is, what's your stance on reparations? we all know that america became great, you know, off the backs of free black labor. how progressive are you on making it a priority and

righting america's wrongs? it's understood that you are running for president for all people of america, asking for specifics for black communities doesn't mean don't do for others, but black americans are heavily asked to vote democrat in every election for over half a century, with very little in return. what are your plans to address these very important issues and change that narrative? >> thank you, zeke. >> i appreciate that. thank you, and thank you for your work. so, to your point, yes, i am running to be a president for all americans. that being said, i do have clear eyes about the disparities that exist. and the context in which they exist, meaning history. to your point. so my agenda -- first of all, on the point of reparations, it has to be studied. there's no question about that, and i have been very clear about

that position. in terms of my immediate plan, i will tell you a few of the following. one, as it relates to the economy, which is a lot of what you have addressed, look, i grew up in the middle class. my mother worked hard, raised me and my sister, and by the time i was in high school, she was able to afford our first home. i know what it means for an individual and a family to have home ownership. i also know in the context of history, nobody got 40 acres and a mule. we have a history of a number of things including red lining, detroit knows it well. a history of, for example, something that still exists that i have worked on to address, which is racial bias in home appraisals and we know home ownership is black families are 40% less likely to be homeowners than others. and that home ownership is one of the surest ways to build intergenerational wealth. because when you own a home, that's when if your child says, daddy, i want to go to college,

you can say sweetheart, i'll take equity out of the house, or if your child says i want to start a small business, same point. so my plan includes making sure that for first-time home buyers they have a $25,000 down payment assistance. to just get their foot in the door, because we know folks will work hard, they'll save, and pay that monthly mortgage. second point is to bring down the cost of housing generally because one of the issues is we have a housing supply shortage and so that's about working with the private sether. in terms of our small businesses, which are part of the backbone of the economy of the black community, and part of the backbone of america's economy writ large, my second mother, the woman who helped raise us, was a small business owner. i know who our small business owners are, and i have convened black small business owners way before i was running for president. in my official office at the white house. to talk with young entrepreneurs, mostly young,

about the work that they are doing that is about clean energy work, technology, as well as the traditional whether it be a barbershop or a restaurant. one of the big issues facing black entrepreneurs and black small businesses is access to capital. because unlike my opponent who got handed $400 million on a silver platter and then filed bankruptcy six times, don't forget that, calls himself a businessman. not everyone has access to the capital, but we know in the community we do not lack for ambition, aspiration, dreams, hard work ethic. and so my work has been as vice president to increase billions of dollars into community banks and as vice president, part of that work will also be to change the tax deduction for start-up small businesses from $5,000 to $50,000. because nobody can start a small business on $5,000. and if you don't otherwise have intergenerational wealth, how

are you able do it? second point on small business is this. i'm going to do basically it's a program that is about a $20,000 nonrefundable loan to a certain -- to basically businesses that don't have access to wealth and don't have those relationships. which is going to directly impact a lot of small black owned small businesses. that $20, is what would help somebody if they need to buy equipment, right, if they need to buy an extra truck, depending on what the business is, which we know that's a big part of what holds back our small businesses. just having enough capital to actually pay for the things that allow you to then put your hard work into play to actually grow your business. the other piece, and this is something that is critically important, is to see black folks and in particular black men as a whole human being. and understand that we are talking about sons, we're

talking about fathers, we're talking about grandsons, grandparents, uncles. and so i say that as a preface to say two other things and i'll keep going. one -- >> you'll keep going? >> you like that? you caught that. >> okay. filibuster, ma'am. >> to deal with health care for black people and black men in particular. we know that we still have a lot of work to do to increase, for example, the high risk that we have for colon cancer, for prostate cancer, right? and to increase screenings and to make sure that people are actually going to get the screenings. not to mention, the higher risk for sickle cell. so part of my agenda is about what we will do to deal with and highlight what we have got to do to focus on black men's health. and then, a similar point is this. 40% of caregivers are men.

and we know culturally, we take care of our elders. and we have a lot of men in the community who are in the sandwich generation, who are trying to take care of their young kids and take care of an elder parent or relative, and it's -- it's overwhelming for people to be able to do both. a lot of people have to end up thinking about leaving their job to just do it. so my plan is this. one, in order for people to then afford assistance for hiring health care, home health care, they basically have to go broke to be eligible for medicaid. my plan is this. let's have medicare, and i have mapped it out, and we can make it work. medicare cover the cost of home health care for seniors. which means that you are looking at individuals in the context of their whole family, because what we know is, again, understanding the culture, understanding the reality, lot of people are having to leave work in order to do that. so these are some examples of my

agenda. and overall, it is an agenda that understands, by the way, because we have talked already a lot about criminal justice. that the needs of the black community are not just about criminal justice. >> we need that money. >> yeah, because here's the thing. we have brought down black unemployment, i said this earlier, to one of the loyest levels in history, but i'm very clear, the community is not going to stand up and applaud just because everybody has a job. that should be a baseline. my agenda is about tapping into the ambitions and the aspirations, knowing that folks want to have an opportunity, if they want, they should have a meaningful opportunity to build wealth, including intergenerational wealth. and that's my agenda. >> you know, there are a couple things you said -- >> i appreciate you. thank you. >> a couple things you said that people would say were talking points. but it's really just your story. even though they are becoming your greatest hits. when you talk about the middle class and your godmother being a

small business owner. but that's just your story. >> it's my story. look, i have been in this race 70 days. some people are just getting to know me. other people have known me. listen, i feel very strongly, i need to earn every vote. which is why i'm here having this candid conversation with you and your listeners. i have to earn people's support. and i am working to do that. >> before we go to another call, i want to say, there was a time, i had a politician tell me once if you're running for a national election, it's bad electoral strategy to say you're going to do things specifically for black people, which is why a lot of politicians don't speak directly to their plans for black people. is that a thing? >> i don't know that that's true. i think that what is true is that i am running to be president for everybody. but i am clear eyed about the history and the disparities that exist for specific communities, and i'm not going to shy away from that. it doesn't mean that my policies

aren't going to benefit everybody because they are. everything i just talked about will benefit everybody. small business owners, whatever their race, their age, their gender, their geographic location, are going to bftd from the fact that i'm going to extend tax deductions to $50,000. every first-time homeowner wherever they are, whatever their race, will benefit if they're a first-time home buyer with a $25,000 down payment assistance. everybody is going to benefit from my plan to extend the child tax credit to $6,000 for the first year of their child's life. that's going to benefit everybody, but i do realize, again, that on the issue of home ownership, for example, black people are 40% less likely to own a home. >> do you, you know, do you feel like president obama stepped on your rollout? i know you have been working on this black male agenda for a long time and doing your outreach, the opportunity economy tour, and he made the statements he made last week so everybody thinks this is a reaction to that. >> oh, no. no, no, no. you just have to -- no,

obviously not. i have been doing this for quite some time, including before i was running for president. >> hi, i'm bobby from georgia and i have a question for kamala harris. could you please respond to trump's claim that he's going to use the alien enemies act of 1798 to round up immigrants if he wins the election. this law was last used to put asian americans in internment cams during world war ii and i have a sneaking suspicion if trump wins he will use this law to put anyone who doesn't look white in camps and i'm scared. >> yeah, so you have hit on a really important point, and expressed it i think so well, which is he is achieving his intended effect, to make you scared. he's running full time on a campaign that is about instilling fear. not about hope, not about

optimism, not about the future. but about fear. and so this is yet another example. look what he did in saying that those legal immigrants in springfield, ohio, were eating their pets. and by the way, the hypocrisy of it abounds because on the issue of immigration, let's be clear. some of the most conservative members of the united states congress working with others came up with a border security bill which was the strongest, toughest border security bill in a long, long time. it would have put 1500 more border agents at the border. it would have reduced the flow of fentanyl into our country, which is killing people all over our country of every race and background. it would have allowed us to do more work on prosecuting transnational criminal organizations which i have done in my career. trump got word that that bill was afoot, knew it would fix the problem, and told his buddies in

congress to kill the bill. and you know why? because he would prefer to run on a problem instead of fixing a problem, and he's running his campaign in a way that he does these rallies where people, by the way, walk out, and does these rallies to try and instill fear around an issue where he actually could be part of a solution, but he chose not to because he prefers to run on a problem instead of fix a problem. we have to call it out and see it for what it is. >> doesn't the biden administration have to take some blame for the border, a lot of the blame? the first three years you did get a lot of wrong with the border. >> within hours of being inaugurated, the first bill we passed before we did the inflation reduction act, before we did the bipartisan infrastructure act, before we did the safer communities act to deal with gun violence, first thing we dropped was a bill to fix the broken immigration system. which by the way, trump did not fix when he was president.

and you can look at every step along the way, we then tightened up the asylum application process. we then worked with what we needed to do to secure ports of entry. we did a number of things, including what we did to try and get that border security bill passed. and then also, an executive order that has actually reduced significantly the number of illegal crossings and tightened up what needs to happen in between ports of entry. but no, we have been working on it ever since. >> so what went wrong? something had to go wrong. >> here's what has to happen. congress has to act to fix the immigration system. and it has been broken for a long time. congress has to act. but it does not help when finally a bipartisan group got together to fix it, and donald trump told them, hold on. don't do that. because it won't help me. politically. >> why do you allow him to call

you the border czar? >> you know i'm not giving him permission for that. >> you don't push back on it. that wasn't your role. >> fact checkers have made that clear. look, if i responded to every name he called me, i wouldn't be focused on the things that actually help the american people, and that's my focus. >> that is true. i want to say something else. i don't feel like the biden administration has treated trump like a real threat to democracy, and that's why america doesn't realize how much of a threat he is. it's one thing to say it, but you have to act on it. don't you believe merrick garland should have moved faster to put donald trump in prison for leading an attempted coup in the country? >> the department of justice has independence in terms of how they make those decisions. as they should. and let's also be very clear. >> what do you think? >> no, no, donald trump has been very clear that he would weaponize the department of justice against his political enemies. he has been very clear that he would take out the independent folks in there and put in there instead his loyalists.

so understand, again, you talk about, because this brings it back to exactly your point about threats to our democracy. donald trump would go in to the department of justice and manipulate it in such a way that it would be used as a weapon against his political enemies. >> yeah, he's going to lock y'all up if he gets back in office. >> by the way, you should look at his words. i don't think you as a journalist should feel so sure that -- >> 100%. i'm out of here. >> journalists, judges. others. and you know who does that? dictators do that. other countries do that. which is say that you're going to send, as h he has, the military to go and suppress peaceful protesters. that happens in other countries. that's not supposed to happen in america. so do understand when this man says what he says, how that would play out in real time. >> so why is it okay for him to

say he'll lock up his political opponents but it's not okay for y'all to say he should be in prison when he's actually committed crimes? >> i have been very clear. i think that the court should handle that. and i'm going to handle november. >> the court should handle that. let's go to talk back. >> many women in the military are sent to foreign countries to fight for their freedom. win or lose. donald trump has promised to seek revenge. my question is, will our military be there to fight for our freedom after the election should trump start another insurrection? >> well, you raise a profound point. that is very much a part of this election cycle in terms of what the american people have a choice right now. so january 6th, donald trump

incited a violent mob to try and undo the will of the people and undo the results of a free and fair election. that violent mob attacked the united states capitol, over 140 law enforcement officers were injured, some of them were killed. and he has said since then that there will be a blood bath after this election. he has on your point about the military, referred to members of our military as suckers and losers. which is why, by the way, do see the number of military leaders who worked under his administration who are supporting me. and i will point out what everyone knows, which is that the people who worked the closest with donald trump when he was president, worked with him in the oval office, saw him at play in the situation room, his chief of staff, two secretaries of defense, his national security adviser, and his former vice president, have all said he is dangerous and

unfit to serve. mark milley, the former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, most recently articulated exactly that point. and again, you know, here's charlamagne one of the things that i think is really ironic but at play. donald trump through his -- his way of trying to name call and demean and divide, tries to project as though those things are a sign of strength. when in fact, the man is really quite weak. he's weak. it's a sign of weakness that you want to please dictators and seek their flattery and favor. it's a sign of weakness that you would demean america's military and america's service members. it's a sign of weakness that you don't have the courage to stand up for the constitution of the

united states and the principles upon which it stands. this man is weak and he is unfit. >> so why is everybody sitting around acting like donald trump isn't going to plan to steal this election if he loses? you know republican officials aren't going to certify the results of the election. we know it's donald trump's supreme court. why are people asking like this is going to be a free and fair election and he won't try to steal it? >> those are two different points. so it will be a free and fair election if we the american people stand up for that. you know, i see it as this. i think that democracy is like two points of nature. one, there's a fact about a democracy that when it is intact, the strength that it possesses in terms of the protection of people's individual rights and liberties, when a democrat is intact, we protect your rights and your liberties. strength. democracy is also very fragile. it will only be strong as our

willingness, we the people, to fight for it. and that as much as anything is what's at play in this election. fight for our democracy. flawed though it is, imperfect throw it may be, because there are very two real paths right now, the man has told you he intends to terminate the constitution. the man has told you all these things about his disregard and disrespect for your freedoms and liberty, including the right of a woman to make decisions about her own body. and he hand selected three members of the united states supreme court with the intention they would do exactly what they did. one out of three women in america lives in a state with a trump abortion ban. you know every state except for virginia in the south has an abortion ban. you know where the majority of black women live? in the south. in those same states that have some of the highest rates of black maternal mortality, and they want to strut around talking about this is in the interest of women and children and they have been silent on an

issue like black maternal mortality. but i know the people are aware and clear eyed. and i do believe that on election day, and early voting in michigan starts in four days, people are going to go to the polls, and they're going to vote to stand up for these principles and to stand up for their rights to freedom and liberty and to live and just be free to be. i believe that. >> i want to bring in my guy, very politically engaged. i want to ask you a quick question. there's a rumor janet jackson is mad at you because you prosecuted her brother. >> that's not true. on either count. >> oh, she's not mad? >> i don't know. i have not talked to her, but certainly is not true about her brother. >> charlamagne, what's up? madam vice president, how are

you doing today? what up, doh? yesterday, i read there's new opportunity agenda, a plan for black men which includes a proposal of forgivable loans up to $20,000 for 1 million black entrepreneurs. what would you say to the people that would consider the timing of that, of this proposal as political timing, and how would you speak to the sentiment that support for black men is only sought out during election cycles. and feels that building trust requires consistent engagement and genuine investment into the community outside of election periods. and political benefits for politicians. and may view that some people in the democrat americans to play identity politics. >> so, first of all, thank you for your question. and for being here. i've been that this race about 70 days. you can look at all my work before those 70 days to know that what i'm talking about

right now is not new and it is not for the sake of winning this election. this is about a long-standing commitment, including the work that i've done as vice president and before when i was senator and before that. in fact, a lot of what i'm doing that is about my economic agenda, opportunity economy, was born out of the work i did as vice president before that as senator most recently to get access to capital for our entrepreneurs. the work that i did in the senate was about getting a couple billion more dollars into our community banks and then building on that when i became vice president, i created -- it is called the economic opportunity council, bringing in some of the biggest banks in technology companies to put more into the community banks and i'm going to tell you one of the reasons why, i have been aware for years, black entrepreneurs only get 1% of venture capital funding of all the venture capital funding, 1% goes to black entrepreneurs. we don't have the same rates of

access to capital, be it through family or through connections. which is why i've done the work of putting billions more dollars and working to put billions more dollars into community banks which go directly to the community. my work around the $20,000 is building on that. and understanding that, you know, i convened, for example, i said this earlier, a group of black entrepreneurs way before i was running for president in my official office at the white house, said, here, some of the obstacles they're facing and one of them was what we need to do to get folks the help to buy the equipment they need to run their business. and oftentimes we find that when black entrepreneurs and black people apply for credit, they're denied at a higher rate than others. we have also seen and the data proves this that all of those --

the realities also tend to dissuade black folks and black entrepreneurs, in particular from even applying for credit. so, my point is to work on every way that we can approach the issue to encourage people and to invest in their ambition, because i know the ambition is there. i know the talent is there. i know the innovation is there. and certainly the hard work ethic. so, this is not new work for me. and -- >> you should speak to the american rescue plan too. tens of millions of dollars, i know small businesses in north carolina that small black businesses that got tens of millions of dollars because of that. how you to speak to that? >> that's right. that's from the first time, when we first came in. the american rescue plan, the work we have done, the infrastructure bill, i mean, part of that is -- we made a decision that we were going to increase the number of federal contracts that go to

historically underrepresented businesses. this was we before i was running -- this was years ago. so, this is not new work. >> let's go to the talkback feature. >> on several occasions recently don lemon has stated that there is a large group of black men who believe donald trump sent them a personal check during covid because his name was on it versus it coming from the government as a stimulus check. can you provide some clarification on this? >> i'm so glad you raised that. s -- so here's what happened. a majority democratic congress fought to get those stimulus checks out, fought against resistance, by the trump administration, and one, because we had a majority of democrats in congress, and that's why those checks went out, as we all know and grew up learning, congress holds the purse strings. it was congress that made that decision and donald trump never

being one to pass up an opportunity to give himself credit when no credit is due put his name on those checks, and sadly it resulted in people thinking donald trump was responsible for and directly responsible for putting money in their pocket, when, in fact, it was a democratic majority congress that was responsible for those checks going out. >> why is it hard for democrats to message their wins on the economy? like since world war ii, the economy has done better under a democrat president. this is just a historical fact but the narrative is that the economy does better under republicans. why do people believe that and why don't democrats push back on that narrative more? >> you know, we -- i think that part of the issue is that democrats probably talk about it more in terms of what we are doing for people rather than the economy, when, in fact, when you do for people, the economy grows. and you are absolutely right,

charlamagne, you will look at the growth of the economy under -- and compare democratic and republican administrations, democrats, they have been -- they have accelerated economic growth. my plan, for example, okay, so, some of the smartest economists in the country reviewed and compared my plan to donald trump's plans for the economy. from goldman sachs to moodys to 16 nobel laureates and most recently "the wall street journal." and in comparing our two plans, the net result is my plans will strengthen the economy, his plans will weaken the economy. there are reports that have come back that show his plans for the economy would accelerate recession. you look at under what we have been doing, you look at the stock market as one of the strongest it has ever been, wages of have outpaced inflation, inflation is going down to i think the most recent

number is 2.4%. so, but those are -- nobody wants to hear about econ 101 lecture, right? but the reality of it, to your point is that under democratic rule, the economy gets strengthened and certainly when you look at my plan, for my presidency, it will strengthen the economy and it will help people. and as per the conversation we have been having today, perhaps the issue is that i'm going to always think about it in the context of how am i helping working people, how am i helping families, how am i helping people in the middle class, how am i helping people who have been without access having access. that's how i talk about it. but my plan is about strengthening the economy and i know when you strengthen the economy, that's how you do it, you do it by investing in the middle class. let me tell you a contrast. donald trump thinks about the economy, based on what he has done and will do, cutting taxes for billionaires in the biggest

corporations. that's how he thinks about the economy. he thinks about the economy, not about middle class people trying to not just get by, but get ahead. no, he wants to stop medicare from negotiating drug prices down from the big pharmaceutical companies. >> we got a couple more questions. i want to get my man eric thompson here. we have a few more presidents. president obama was out there last week waving his finger at black men. when are liz cheney and hillary clinton going to wave their finger at white women. because 52% of white women voted for trump in 2016. 55% voted for trump in 2020. they all voted against their own interest. when the finger waving going to start at them? >> well, thank you for highlighting that, i do have the support of over 200 republicans who worked for various administrations, including everyone going back to ronald reagan to the bushes to john mccain and mitt romney and including liz cheney and i'm

very proud to have her support. and i believe that they who -- many of them who may have voted for trump before are supporting me, because they know the stakes are so high in terms of our very democracy and rule of law. and -- >> so the finger wagging should start today or tomorrow? >> well, i think what is happening is that we are all working on reminding people of what is at stake. and that is very important. >> eric, real quick, we got a few minutes. >> got a few minutes. thank you, madam vice president for having me, thank you charlamagne tha god. so as a employee of a mission-driven nonprofit bank, i appreciate the efforts. as chief storyteller of detroit, i spend a lot of time dispelling information about the city of detroit. i'm sure for those like me, if donald trump doesn't like detroit so much, he's not welcome back. now -- >> but, okay, i don't want to interrupt you.

i don't know if everybody knows what you're talking about. >> but you can get into it. i wanted to say that we know there has been a lot of conversation about growing the middle class, but black men have been taken out of the workforce for a myriad of systemic reasons, we know black men are not criminals, they're criminalized and that has taken black men out of the home, wealth out of the home, and so because -- especially in the city, with such high poverty, i heard a lot about middle class, but i would love to hear more about stair stepping from poverty into middle class so they can take advantage of the opportunities and the positives you're talking about. >> and that's real. so, for example, the child tax credit, when we did it, when i first became vice president, we cut black child poverty by half. and you know when you deal with poverty for a child, that's about the whole family, right? when you look at the work that we have done that has been about dealing with prescription medication, for our