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they are doing no mysteries. really, the ultimate enemy is misinformation and lack of education, right? that is what the primary issue. a lot of people had no clue what they were talking about and convinced there was fraud. all of the stereo types about voters in detroit and black voters in general went into this. i mean it was explicit in a lot of the complaints. these are the complaints, you had a woman named karen complaining about the lack of free parking and complaints of someone saying pregnant white woman and others are complaining about black lives matter shirts people were wearing. it is explicit. i think that it is, it is a good idea for reporters to get out ahead of this as much as possible to be as educated about what we are looking at here. a lot of it is the strait go to create a lot of election misinformation especially x now that it is owned by elon musk. >> thank you, gentleman. that is all in on tuesday
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night. alex wagner begins right now. >> it is an iceberg we are barreling through you. >> it happened in 2020 but like we all knew it was going to happen exactly happened like we see it. we see it. it is a large iceberg, thank you, my friend. >> yep. in person and early voting started in the state of georgia. the previous record of early voting in georgia was set back in 2020 with 136,000 people. today, blew the record out of the water. more than 300,000 people voted today in the state of georgia. 300,000. that is more than double the previous record if my math is correct. voting has begun the race to win over georgia's voters remains very much in full swing. tonight, former president trump is expected to speak at a rally in georgia. there is a live shot there. he was supposed to speak about 1 1/2 hours ago. but, there is still no sign of
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him. as you can imagine most people attending a trump rally are likely to have already made up their minds about who they are voting for. if you do not regularly watch trump rallies and have not seen what they have become. well, you should see what happened in pennsylvania last night. by now you play of heard multiple attendees at that rally needed medical attention because of just how hot it was inside of the venue. you may of also heard at some point trump decided he no longer wanted to take questions at this town hall. but instead he wanted to just play some music and you probably heard that trump just stood there swaying and occasionally i guess we will call it dancing for more than 30 minutes. you probably heard all of that by now. but really you got to see it. >> would anyone else like to faint? please raise your hand.
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>> let's do it now. >> you know what we could do, though f my guys can do it. how about we will do a little music. make it a musical fest. put on poveratti. nice and loud. turn it up louder. we want a little action here. turn it up louder [music] [music] >> you have to hand it to trump. that the is not your typical rally song. thereat is how it got started. be-- that is how it got started.
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began with medical emergencies in the crowd. then, after the song stopped playing trump talked about maybe taking a few questions more before deciding that no, actually, he wanted to just keep playing music. >> let me hear that music, please. >> everyone. let's thank president trump. god bless you [music] let's send president trump pack to the white house. [music] [music] ♪i know this room ♪ i walked this floor ♪ you used to live
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alone before i knew you ♪. >> e before i knew you ♪. >> ♪back home i drive my troubles away [music] ♪ it is hard to hold together in the cold november rain. trump went on like that for more than 30 minutes. can you imagine if kamala harris just stopped taking questions in the middle of a rally and started doing whatever that is? no questions just "freedom" on a loop for half an hour. it would be the defining event. newspapers around the globe would talk about harris was in decline. people would demand she would
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drop out. when trump does whatever this is, everyone on stage just bobs along with the guy pretending it is not unbelievably weird. and last night was part of a pattern. trump has been primarily doing only highly choreographed events that look like real interviews but that actually feature friendly moderators like republican governors sanders and luna just teeing him up for softball questions. trump then rants and raves about whatever he wants. the moderators just nod along. for the most part, trump has been avoiding any genuine skepticism. today, we learned he canceled a scheduled interview with cnbc that comes a week after he bailed on an interview with "60 minutes." >> a week ago trump bowed out.
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the campaign offered shifting explanations. first it complained we would fact check the interview. we fact check every story. trump has said his opponent does not do interviews because she can't handle them. he previously declined another debate with harris so, tonight, may have been the largest audience for the candidates between now and election day. >> now, today trump did do a somewhat interview. he was speaking about bloomberg's economic and chief at in chicago. watching him get interviewed by a journalist that is trying to get answers out of trump that was really something. >> should google be broken up? >> i just have not gotten over something that the justice department did yesterday where virginia cleaned up the voter rolls and got rid of thousands
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and thousands of bad votes. and the justice department sued them. they should be allowed to put the bad votes and illegal votes back in and let the people vote. so i have not, i have not gotten over that, a lot of people have seen that. they can not believe it. >> the question is about google, president trump. >> this interview he claimed 2020 was a peaceful transfer of power and if he did call vladimir putin, up to seven times after leaving the white house, it would have been a smart move. he refused to comment on if he did or did not call the leader of america's biggest geo- political adversary but wanted everyone to know it would have been smart if he did. then he said that vice president harris should take a cognitive test. >> i would love to see a cognitive test. i don't think she could pass it. i watched i don't think she could pass it.
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this weekend harris released a summary of her medical records. and yesterday a group of 230 doctors, nurses, health care professional its called on trump to release his medical records. so far, he has declined. instead, trump pointed at the seasonal allergies. an affliction that is a messy and dangerous situation who should take a cognitive test again? joining me now is former democratic senator from missouri and staff writer at the atlantic. great to have you both here. i don't know, i guess i apologize for making you watch trump dancing or whatever we want to call it on stage for such an extended period of time. claire, spokesperson stephen chung this statement following that 30 minute dance-a-thon. >> president trump has more energy and more stamina than anyone in the politics and is
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the smartest leader there country has ever seen. he does multiple public events every single day and the public can see he is sharper and more focused than ever before because the future of america is at stake. claire? how do democrats respond in a post-truth world? >> i think kamala harris is on to something. she keeps telling people to watch his rallies. we are not watching them. and most net works are covering them because it is hard to cover something that basically is just full of so many lies you can not fact check it in realtime and it is irresponsible to give someone a platform that lies as frequently as he does. there are places to watch them. far right extreme network cable networks you can find where they cover every word he says. and i really wish those people that remain undecided would watch one of them because if he is telling people to vote on
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january 5th or he is saying instead of saying arizonans he is saying -- [indiscernible] -- he can't put sentences together, he is trying to claim it is some type of rhetorical flourish he has, that is total b.s. not good. at the end of the day, alex, it is judgment. it was his judgment they are eating cats and dogs. his judgment to go into a dj swinging swaying awkward 39 minutes last night, when the election is 22 days away. he is not well. >> mark, have you ever seen anything like this in american politics? the act of, you know, swing something swaying and dancing in place at a town hall for 39 minutes would be the end of their candidacy. >> the amazing thing about
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this. first of all i loved christie trying to act normal through that whole thing and looking at the weird body language of the people in the audience, people turned around and looking at each other. and so forth. it is really strange. and, you know, i hate to use a word like strange and word our old english teacher told us not to use. that is what it is. unprecedented. something between you sort of wonder if trump does he want to win this. is he that bored? not well? is there something more going on here? i think, yes, i mean, this is not the first time he refused to disclose his medical records but, i mean, this is a candidate who does not ever get told no. this is clear. any sort of real candidate, campaign would have advisories to have an intervention with him saying look, this will not win you an election. i think harris is doing work for him which is look, people need to watch this and actually
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getting him visibility he might not otherwise have because people are freaked out >> it also tells you so much about the sort of thrill of trump. it is not about anything. a shared connection between the audience and trump. keep in mind this starts happening when there are people fainting in the audience. we did not have time to play all of back and forth but trump makes fun of the people fainting in the audience. anybody else here going to faint? he does not care about the health of the people out there supporting them and refuses to take their questions and just dances on the stage and they stay in the room, claire. they stay in the room. it is kind of awkward stage craft where you can see them, they are still there. they just listen to the songs with him like it is normal. and too cheap to turn on the air-conditioning and by the way, people drop at his rallies
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all of the time. he did one in 100 degree heat in arizona and nevada and people faint with some regularity. he just goes on. he did not want to go on last night. he was tired. he wanted to listen to music and sway and b-bop instead of answering questions, he does not want to answer questions, i predict after today after that bloomberg interview. i predict it is the last time he does an interview with someone not in the tank. what he did there, when the bloomberg journalist tried to hold him accountable on his ridiculous economic plan, tariff everything 100% plan. the idea that he can do away with taxes on everything that is popular in america and somehow avoid an economic calamity he just said, well, you are always wrong. he turned it personally against the guy asking the questions because he could not handle
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answering with any on anything. so i do think you are only going to see him in the bunker with his pave rites, the ones that will protect him, the ones that will make sure he does not get the awkward questions or have to do math. and, he will try to closeout the campaign that way. >> you know, mark, to claire's point i am reminded of something that your colleague wrote in "the atlantic" what this moment means to fracture in society. this moment is nothing less but a cultural assault on any institution that operates in reality. the jobs are different. reporter, doctor, scientists or a democrat what they share they must all attend to and describe the world as it is. this makes them dangerous to people who can not abide by the agonizing constraints of reality as well as those who have financial and political interests in keeping up the charade. >> it is a moment if is not just about donald trump versus,
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you know, the crowd. or donald trump versus tariffs but the larger construct here are people based in reality and who are not. with trump, anyone based in reality and offering up a fact that brushes up against a position he has taken or challenges him, could be a victim to trump in he is elected once again. i sort of wonder, you know, what, first of all what you make of that, that signpost or that post that he plants today in foreign politics we are in a reality had, antireality diconomy. everyone should read charlie's work. it was fabulous. journalists and fema workers, medical experts do, what any expert does. when you watch what we just did and by the way i could of watched it all night that was great. but always an element of sort
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of kitch to these it is like a cult-like following, a circus atmosphere. you see it and then think he is a jump all away from winning the election you realize there is a fundamental disconnect between what should and be what is reality and what actually this spectacle can become which is another precedency for donald trump. it is scary. >> claire, do you feel there is any hope that kamala harris can, to me, the late stage of this election is really just one person trying to compete on policy and put out specifics of an agenda and another person who is just riding in sort of pixy dust of his own imagination and like, i don't, i guess i just -- do you have any hope that reason and logic can prove a winning hand among those undecided voters? >> i think trump will help her. when he goes on a sunday show
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and says he wants to use the military to go out and round up his political opponents when he says we have a corrupt press. we know how far he went to try to prosecute his enemies in his first term when there were guardrails. i do think people are tired of this act. and i am optimistic and hopeful that the few voters that decide their votes at the last minute are going to come down on the side of optimism and hope instead of ugly, lying grievance that trump markets every day. >> thank you guys for putting it all in perspective. appreciate your time tonight. coming up, kamala harris is making a big final push to shore up support among young black men. will it work? but first, everybody is going to michigan. there is a reason for that. that state just might decide the election. michigan congress woman and senate candidate in one of the
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who will make the tough choices for our city's future. "i'm mark farrell. i'm running for mayor because san francisco deserves better." "i'm ready to deliver that change on day one." mark farrell. a proven leader with the experience we need. . we will win. [ cheers and applause ] >> we will win. it is going to be hard work. it is a tight race. but here is the thing that i know about everybody that is here. we like hard work. >> today, vice president harris landed in michigan. the state that could tip the
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scales this november. something that both campaigns are keenly aware of. trump and j.d. advance hosted 13 events across michigan since harris entered the race and trump has another event planned for this friday in detroit. harris and tim walz held nine events so far and will also return to the state on friday. remember, joe biden won michigan by just under 155,000 votes in 2020. the state is also the site of a hotly contested senate race that could determine the balance of power in the next congress. joining me now is michigan congresswoman who is running in the senate race against former congressman mike rogers, congresswoman, thank you for joining me. i am eager to get the view, as i always am, in terms of what is happening on the ground in michigan. we have some reports in the "new york times" there are democrats that are worried about a lack of urgency in terms of the ground game for
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democrats in the state. hard to get yard signs and mailers and people are not mobilized as they should be. can you confirm or deny the concerns raised in the reporting? >> look, any one in michigan is pretty focused and the memory is fresh from 2016 where we just did not have that mobilization, we were not activated. did not have as many visits. so i think we live with that knowing we voted as a state for trump in 2016, biden won in 2020. we learned how to really mobilize. i think look, we got 200 people on the ground for the harris campaign. active every day. of course we want more, of course the change at the top of the ticket means it was harder to get swag in the beginning and yard signs. i was out today. i was in the campaigns are out there. it is a very, very busy time in michigan right now. >> i wonder what you make of the fact that another union,
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another union that i think the biden-walz team was counting on has decided not to endorse the democrats. the michigan firefighters union is skipping presidential endorsement. that seems not good and also confounding given the biden- harris on unions. and, the generally democrat support for union labor and organizing. how serious is that? >> reporter: limean, look we have seen a couple unions do it at the national level, local level it is a different story. teamsters at the state level has been endorsing and really out there supporting democrats and even if they are national leadership is doing something different. that is interesting to me. but this is to me about leadership. if you are going to lead or you are going to follow. there is no missing the fact that a lot of union member presidency including in the state voted for donald trump, maybe voted for him twice, are
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looking to potentially vote for him again. so, there is a real kind of push and pull going on in the rank and file with a lot of the union members. this is why leadership matters, we are seeing people in the uaw lead from the front and say here is my case. i am going to make my case to members, one side of this cares about collective bargains, one side, democrats care about union labor and put their money where their mouth is, literally. it is not great. to me it is a failure of leadership not that it reflects a massive shift. >> it will be a close race in michigan. maybe closer than it was in 2020 when it was 150,000 votes, give or take. what is your level of concern in the arab-american vote in your state? probably the largest in your country and close election. what do you make of the fact that in hamtramack, michigan, one of the largest locations of
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muslim and nothing eastern and african citizens. the mayor there has endorsed trump. that is coming at the same time that the uncommitted group, a large part centered in michigan has said it's supporters pro- palestine and followed the war in gaza carefully that its supporters should not vote for trump. i sort of wonder what difference both of those realities make on the margins? >> reporter: we got a lot of different sort of groups going on here right now. it is sort of like a mixing bowl effect. we got folks who are we think never be trump voters are saying they are voting for trump. folks frustrated with the top of the ticket and who are saying i am going to vote for a third party. that is a classic michigan issue. we are like that in every election. and, you know, donald trump has been kind of trying to make his way into some of our ethnic and religious communities and
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making promises he can't keep, telling people things he can not possibly deliver on, trying to make them believe that he is not going to be, who we know him to be from the first four years that he was in office. so, we have been having counterconversations. certainly the mayor i had big events with the communities this week. including a stop today in one of local businesses. it is a competition here. and i just think, you know, people think they understand a place like michigan, you know, if you near new york or in california but we are a different place. we have independently-minded voters, they don't do what you think they are going to do. that is why you have to work here. nothing happens without work, volunteering just out there door knocking. it is a real thing and it matters here. >> yeah. i -- i am still stunned by the fact i was in michigan a couple weeks ago and there were just such a number of folks who were
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genuinely union labors, jobs benefited directly from the work of this democratic administration who really did not know which way they were going to vote or an opinion on what harris and biden had done for them and their jobs and genuinely going to make the decision on their way to the polls in line, they said. and then donald trump arrives in, you know, michigan and insults detroit and then has the audacity or shamelessness or wisdom, i don't know, to go back to detroit on friday. does that kind of -- does nothing matter? is up down and down up? how, how do you explain away the sort of insults and the disregard that trump is showing to michigan voters by name, calling out detroit, and his just surprising strength in the state? >> reporter: he came to detroit, dumped on detroit, today he was in chicago, having another talk, dumped on detroit
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again. you are not even in detroit plan, you are still talking about it and coming back on friday. he does not understand that we are proud of the city and the historic turnaround that has happened there and everyone teams committed to it. i just can not explain his decision-making. but look, you have to imagine the media market in detroit is the most expensive in the country. more expensive to buy ads in detroit than it is in manhattan or l.a. because of the political ads. people are bombarded in mail, digital, tv. frankly, they can not stand most of them can not stand that kind of political stuff. so they shut it out. for some people it is like you said they are making decisions at the last minute. it is a vibe check. and it is the job of both parties to make their case and try to get in urn the wire with those voters. that is why it is a hotly contested place. that is why we are a swing
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state. that is why it is always competitive and the minute you sleep on michigan it will flip the other way. >> your opponent is worried about democrats planning shananagans at the polls, how worried are you about republicans on or after election day in your state? he said it south michigan. we know what he meant. the vast majority of people want free and fair elections and they want them certified and not to be involved in all of the drama that we were involved in 2020. most people understand joe biden won the election. and i think, i don't fear that we are going to have a problem with our elections because we have responsible clerks and secretary of state who will make sure it is implemented well. >> congressman, one of the
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tightest senate battles in the country. thank you for taking time tonight. appreciate it. >> thank you. still ahead this evening. three weeks before election day, kamala harris is stepping up her appeal to black voters with a wide-ranging sit down interview in detroit with radio hosts charlaman the god. how did she do? that's next charlaman the god. how did she do? that's next while loading up our suv, one extra push and... crack! so, we scheduled at safelite.com. we were able to track our technician and knew exactly when he'd arrive. we can keep working! ♪ synth music ♪ >> woman: safelite came to us. >> tech: hi, i'm kendrick. >> woman: with a replacement we could trust. that's service the way we want it. >> vo: schedule free mobile service now at safelite.com. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪
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. we are in what can safelily be called the homestretch of the 2024 election. as part of her final push, kamala harris is making a direct appeal to young black men, a key block of voters who were reliably democratic in the past but trump curious this election according to polling. this evening the vice president attended a radio town hall with charlamagne the god. cohost of the breakfast club. wildly popular show with a majority black audience. harris played it clear she is not taking anyone's vote for granted. >> look, i've been in this race 70 days, some people are just getting to know me, other people have known me. and io it, i listen i feel very strongly i need to earn every vote which is why i am here having this candid conversation with you and your listener ins. i have to earn people's support and i am working to do that.
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>> she used the opportunity to speak directly to black men to emphasize their humanity and the roles they play in their communities. >> the other piece, and this is something that is critically important, is to see black folks, and in particular black men, as a whole human being and you understand that we are talking about sons, we are talking about fathers, we are talking about grandsons, we are talking about grandparents, talking about uncles. >> harris also used the interview to highlight trump's embrace of policies with explicitly racial and racist elements. >> ask donald trump what his plan is for black america? ask him. what, you know, i'll tell you what it is. look at project 2025. project 2025 tells you the plan includes making police departments have stop and frisk policies. you know what he says he will do? terminate the constitution of the united states. let me remind folks, you know
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what's in the constitution of the united states? the fourth amendment that protects you against unreasonable searches and seizures. the fifth amendment, the sixth amendment, the 14th amendment, and he's going to terminate the constitution of the united states? >> many young men and men of color harris chose to contrast herself and trump in the starkest possible terms. >> it's two very different visions for our nation. one, mine, that is about taking us forward and progress and investing in the american people, investing in their ambitions, dealing with their challenges, and the other donald trump is about taking us backward. >> the other is about facism. >> why can't we say that? >> yes, we can say that. >> how did she do? we will talk to someone who is on the ground in the most swing
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stake. >> that was vice president kamala harris at a radio town hall responding to a question about the different ways in which the democratic party is grappling with the soft support in key constituencies. joining me now, is majority whip of the philadelphia city council. councilmember i am eager to get to the question of democratic support of communities in color and specifically young men in those communities. to start off, can you describe to me how you think these different approaches, one from president barack obama who has some some ways scolded black men for not, for not offering harris support saying they are not feeling the idea of having a woman president and effectively making excuses for that. and kamala harris today, saying kind of taking an opposite tack, i need to earn votes and
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i understand i need to earn votes. which strategy is more effective? >> good cop, bad cop. first of all thank you for having me. super excited to be part of the conversation. all dialogue is important. you know campaigns and understand campaign strategy the idea and goal is to raise items to the forefront. make sure people are discussing things that we know are important and we know are going to move the needle and move the agenda. i am just thrilled to see black men specifically are part of the conversation. as it relates to the direction of the nation of what we are doing with this election but also, what happened and how we vote elected officials accountable. what are the outcomes to count on based on our vote. somebody who is has been on the ground doing as much work that i can this is the message that we have been hearing, communities, neighborhoods, want something that focus on black men. i am glad that this policy initiative has now happened. we feel like it is reflective of what we have been asking for. at the end of the day both
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approaches are effective. there are times you need to have the aggressiveness that former president barack obama had, as a candidate i would not want the current vice president to have that approach. i would want her to have the perspective of someone who is humble, someone is approaching it as every vote counts, every stone needs to be uncovered. we definitely want to let black men know their vote is very important to this campaign. >> fascinated good cop, bad cop. i get that as a parent necessary two-pronged approach. i wonder today's town hall was remarkable not just what she did address but did not talk about. one issue was abortion. can you talk to me about how that issue is among the, you know, the communities you are in and the conversations that you are a part of, do you sense any logic behind the fact that she did not spend much time on
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that issue today? which is one democrats think is a big winner for them on election day. >> reporter: yeah, i mean when you think about the issue of abortion and women's right to choose, honestly that is an easy topic to discuss. one of the things that i like to call home game. where we are, listen to you, at the tail end of the campaign, coming down the stretch. it is important to have as many away games, tough conversations, with folks who might not cheer when finish talking or clap at the major speaking points. we need to go into rooms and spaces and places where people are skeptical about voting, educate and inform them. we need to make sure they understand what is at stake. make sure we can connect the dots and what state, local government has done for them in the past. resources that benefited and moved the needle forward and make sure they understand what is at stake. at the end of the day i think the work is going to continue.
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we know we have more to do over the next couple of weeks >> please come back to the show. i really want to hear more about this. ongoing conversation and i think it will be a dominant conversation in the last three weeks of the race. you know it better than mosts, thanks in are your time tonight, sir. >> thank you for having me. appreciate it. we will keep doing the work in the city of philadelphia. coming up, republicans down the ballot hard time believing voters when it comes to protecting reproductive rights, ohio senator brown joins me here to talk about exactly why that is, that is next exactly y that is, that is next ♪ ♪ this one is for you.
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the proper thing to take is we have lost the trust of the american people. when we campaigned for our position they instinctively, mistrusted us and we need to get trust back. >> that was vice presidential candidate and ohio senator, j.d. vance with his take on ohio's abortion policy. remember, in 2023 ohio voters chose overwhelmingly, to enshrine abortion acts in the states constitution. the lesson mr. vance took from that was not to respect voters right for reproductive freedom but to convince them they don't want it at all. candidates in the state seem to be following suit. bernie marino recently insisted that abortion isn't really that big of a deal, saying it is crazy for women past 50 two think it is an issue at all. joining me now is bernie marino's opponent, ohio senior senator brown. it is great to have you on the
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show. do you have a take on why it is that j.d. vance and bernie marino seem intent on remaining at odds with what ohio voters want on the subject of abortion and reproductive freedom? >> marino thinks he knows better. ohioans clearly have stated what they think. bernie marino wants an abortion ban and he is 100% pro-life, no exceptions. that is why people are spending a lot of money on this issue and that is why people should consider contributing $15 or $20. he thinks he knows better and wants to override what ovide --ohio voters said and we are not going to let him go to washington. >> it is such an extraordinarily
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tight race. it is still staggering to me that you would take a position so staggeringly at odds with the voters. i wonder what he would take on why union support has not been as strong as it should be for the harris-walz ticket and for democrats at-large. unionization petitions doubled during president biden's administration and yet, the teamsters and international association of firefighters declined to endorse vice president harris. why is union support a problem for democrats quick >> i know what is happening in ohio, but i don't speak nationally. i was endorsed with the firefighters and in cleveland i was with 20 teamsters and i was in youngstown at a plant with probably, 50 autoworkers talking about how we need to stand up for them. we saved the pension of 100,000 union workers. i think, too often people think , they looked left to right in politics and it is left to right, but whose side are you on.
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you listen to people. i knew when i got into this race i would spend tens of millions of dollars because when you stand up for workers and you stand up to special workers and up to wall street and outsource jobs and you stand up to the drug companies, they come after you. more money in this race against me then any senate race ever in history. that is why i'm asking people for help. there are four big billionaires that are spending tens of millions of dollars and others. i asked people to contribute $15 or $20. there are a lot more of us than there are of them. at the end, when you stand up for workers and interest troops you win a state like ohio. >> i don't mean to belabor the point, but you have the endorsement of these unions and you mention saving their pension plans. that is something to biden did. what explains the disconnect between you, a democrat working to help union workers and some
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at the federal level doing the same thing but not getting the credit for it. >> i really don't know the answer to that. i talked to tammy baldwin today. i talked to bob casey, the teamsters and firefighters behind him. if you realize politics isn't left to right but whose side you are on you win the elections. of course, i want a teamster endorsement and i got it. i was at the pipefitters hall the other day with the national president of brick layers and painters. their endorsement means a lot to me. what really means more is when a painter or bricklayer turns to another painter or bricklayer on the construction site and says, i am voting for sherrod brown. that is how you win elections. ims close as if this race can be. i want to win because i stand up for these workers. >> to that end, $400 million
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have been spent on your race in aspect that is the most expensive race this cycle. what does that reflect in terms of the stakes? >> it tells you that they don't want somebody like me. they don't want somebody that will keep wall street honest, oversee wall street and make sure they cannot get people off. they don't want somebody like me that will take on the drug companies that outsource jobs and take on the oil companies. when you stand up to them, that is why--as i said, when i got into this race two years ago i knew they would spend tens of millions of dollars because they don't want me. i stand up for them and that is why i'm going to win because we stand up for the voters in ohio. republicans, democrats, independents understand i wi
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