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across the networks of news news, thank you for staying up late with me. i'll see you at tend of tomorrow. the first day of early voting was set back in 2020 with a whopping 126,000 people. today blew the record out of the water. the georgia secretary of state's office reports that more than 300,000 people voted today in the state of georgia. 300,000. though voting has already begun, the race to win over georgia's voters remains very much in full swing. tonight, former president trump is expected to speak at a rally in georgia. there's a live shot there. he was supposed to speak about an hour-and-a-half ago. but there is still no sign of
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him. as you can imagine, most people appending the trump rally are pretty likely to have already made up their minds about who they are voting for. if you don't regularly watch trump rallies, and have not seen what they have become, you should see what happened in pennsylvania. you may have heard multiple attendees needed medical attention because of just how hot it was inside the venue. you may have also heard that at some point, trump decided he no longer wanted to take questions at this town hall. instead he just want today play some music. you probably heard trump just stood there. kind of swaying and occasionally i guess we'll call it dancing? for more than 30 minutes. you have probably heard all of that by now. but really, you got to see it. >> would anybody else like to
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dance? >> let's do it now. >> please raise your hand. you know what we could do? if my guys could do it, how about we'll do a little music. so put on pavarati singing ave maria. we want it nice and loud. turn it up louder. louder. [ music ] [ singing ] >> i mean, you have to hand it to trump. ave maria is really not your typical rally song. that is how the musical portion of trump's rally last night got started. it began as a response to
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medical emergencies in the crowd. but instead of taking questions, he wanted to keep hearing the music. >> let me hear the music. everyone, let's thank president trump. god bless you. let's send president trump back to the white house. >> thank you everybody. >> thank you everyone. [ music ] [ singing ] [ music ] [ singing ] [ music ] [ singing
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] >> trump went on like that for 30 minutes. can you imagine if kamala harris stopped taking questions in the middle of a rally and started doing whatever that is? no questions, just beyonce's freedom on loop half an hour. can you imagine that? it would be the defining event of the election. newspapers around the globe would talk about how harris was in cognitive decline. people would be demanding she
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drop out. before whatever he does, everyone just bobs along with the guy pretending this is not weird. last night was part of a pattern. he has been doing highly choreographed events that look like real interviews but that actually feature friendly moderators like republican governors kristi gnome and sarah huckabee sanders. just teeing him up for softball questions. trump then rants and raves about whatever he wants and the moderators just nod along. for the most part, trump has been avoiding any substantiative conversation or genuine skepticism. today, we learned that he canceled the scheduled interview with cnbc which comes just a week after he bailed on an interview with 60 minutes. >> a week ago, trump backed
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out. the campaign offered shifting explanations, first it complained that we would fact check the interview. we fact check every story. trump has said his opponent doesn't do interviews because she can't handle them. he had previously declined another debate with harris. so tonight, may have been the largest audience for the candidates between now and election day. >> now today trump did do a somewhat adversarial interview. he was speaking with bloomberg's editor and chief at the economic club of chicago. and watching trump get interviewed by an actual journalist who is actually trying to get answers outed of donald trump, well, that was really something. >> should google be broken up? >> i just haven't gotten over something that the justice department did yesterday. where virginia cleaned up its voter rolls and got rid of
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thousands and thousands of bad votes and the justice department sued them that they should be allowed to put the bad votes and illegal votes back in and let the people vote. so i haven't gotten over that a lot of people have seen that. they can't believe it. >> the question is about google, president trump. >> trump also claimed that 2020 was a peaceful transfer of power. and said that if he did call vladimir putin up to seven times after leaving the white house, it would have been a smart move. he refused to comment on whether or not he did or did not call the leader of america's biggest geo political adversary but wanted everyone to know it would have been smart if he did. then he said vice president harris should take a cognitive test. >> i would love to see cognitive tests. i don't think she could pass a cognitive test. i have watched. i don't think she could. >> this weekend, vice president
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harris released a summary of her medical records and a group of 230 doctors, nurses, and health care professionals called on trump to release his medical records. so far he has declined. and point at the seasonal allergies in vice president harris' health records. an affliction he says is a messy and dangerous situation. who exactly should take a cognitive test again? joining me now, former democratic senator from missouri. and a staff writer from the atlantic. it is great to have you both here. i don't know. i guess i apologize for making you watch trump dancing? for such an extended period of time. trump's spokesperson had this
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statement following that dance a ton. he does multiple public events every day. the public can see he is sharper and more focused than ever before because the future of america is at stake. claire, how do democrats respond in the post truth world? >> i think kamala harris is onto something, she keeps telling people to watch his rallies. you know. we are not watching them. and most networks are not covering them because it is hard to cover something that is full of so many lies you can't fact check it in realtimes and it is irresponsible to give somebody a platform that lies as frequently as he does. but there are some places you can watch them. there are far right networks where they cover every word he says. and i wish the undecided people would watch one of them.
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whether he is telling people to vote on january 5th. he can't put sentences together. he is trying to claim it is some kind of rhetorical flourish he has which is total bs. it is not good. it was his judgment to scream out they are eating cats and dogs and his judgment to go into some kind of d.j. thing 30 minutes last night. he's not well. >> have you ever seen anything like this in american politics? if this was anybody but donald trump the act of swinging and swaying and dancing in place at a town hall for 39 minutes would be the end of their
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candidacy. >> yeah. i mean, the amazing thing about this, i loved watching kristi gnome trying to act normal and looking at the weird body language of the people in the audience. people looking at each other. and so forth. it is really strange. and i hate to use a word like strange or weird. but that is just what it is. you wonder, does trump actually want to win this? is he just that bored? is he really not well or is there something more going on here? yes, this is not the first time he has refused to disclose his medical records. but, i mean, this is a candidate who does not ever get told no. this is clear. any real candidate would have adviserring says this is not going to win you an election. harris is doing some work for him saying look, people need to watch this and getting him some visibility he might not
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otherwise have because people are so freaked out. >> it also tells you so much about the sort of thrill of trump. it is not about anything substantiative. it is not even about a shared connection between the audience and trump. this musical interlude happens when people are fainting in the audience. he makes fun of the people in the audience. anybody else going to faint? he doesn't care about the health of the people out there supporting them and refuses to take their questions and dances on the stage and they stay in the room. it is walk ward scat craft. but they are still there. they just listen to ave maria with him like it is normal. >> yeah. and too cheap to turn on the
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air-conditioning. people drop at his rallies all the time. he did one at 100 something degree heat in arizona and nevada and he just goes on. he didn't want to go on last night. he was tired. he wanted to listen to music and sway and bebop instead of answering questions. he doesn't want to answer questions. i predict that's the last time he does an interview with anybody. what he did there when the journalist tried to hold him accountable on his ridiculous economic plan, the ridiculous tariff everything 100% plan. the idea that he can do away with taxes on everything that is popular in america and avoid an economic calamity? he said well, you're always wrong. he turned it personally against the guy asking the questions because he cannot handle
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answering with any specifics on anything. you will see him in the bunker with his favorites. the ones that will protect him and make sure he doesn't get the awkward questions or have to do math. and he will try to close out the campaign that way. >> you know, i'm reminded of something your colleague charlie wrote in the atlantic about what this moment represents. this moment is nothing los angeles than a cultural assault on any tern person or institution that operates in reality. the jobs are different. but the things these people share is that they all must attend to and describe the world as it is. this makes them dangerous to people who cannot abide by the agonizing constraints of reality. you know, this is a moment where it is not just about donald trump versus the crowd
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or tariffs. but the larger sort of construct here is people based in reality and people who are not. anyone offering a fact that challenges him could be a victim to trump if he is elected once again. and i sort of wonder you know, what you make of that, that sign post. which is we are in a reality antireality dichotomy. >> it bleeds from political disinformation to danger for fema workers. what medical experts do. what any expert does. when you watch the spectacle we just did. i could have watched that all night. it was great. through there is always an
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element of burlesque. it is like a circus atmosphere. then you think this guy is a jump ball away from winning the next election, you realize that there is a fundamental disconnect between what should be and what is reality and what actually this could become. another presidency for donald trump. which is pretty scary. >> do you feel there is any hope? to me the late stage of this election is one person trying to compete on policy. another person who is just riding riding in the pixie dust of his own imagination. do you have any hope that reason and logic can prove a winning hand? >> i think trump will help her
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when he goes on the sunday show and says he wants to use the military to go out and round up his political opponents. when he says we have a corrupt press and we know how hard he went to prosecute his enemies when there were guardrails. i think people are tired of this act and i'm optimistic and hopeful that the field voters who decide their votes at the last minute are going to come down on the side of optimism and hope instead of ugly lying grievance that trump markets every day. >> thank you guys for putting it all into perspective. i appreciate your time tonight. coming up, kamala harris is making a big final push to shore up support among young black men. will it work? but first, everyone is going to michigan. there's a reason for that. that state might decide the
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the state friday. joe biden won by just under 155,000 votes in 2020. and the state is also the site of a hotly contested senate race that could determine the balance of power in the next congress. joining me now is melissa slotkin. thank you for joining me, i'm eager to get the view as i always am in terms of what's happening on the ground in michigan. there are some democrats worried about a lack of urgency with the ground game. it is hard to get yard signs and mailers. do you have a thought on that? >> well look, i think any michiganer is pretty focused and the memories are fresh from 2016.
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we didn't have as many visits so we live with that knowing we voted as a state for trump in 2016. biden won in 2020. so we have learned how to really mobilize and look, we have 200 people on the ground for the harris campaign active every single day. of course we want more. of course the change at the top of the ticket means it is hashedder to get swag abdomen yard signs. the campaigns are out there. and it is a very busy time in michigan. >> i wonder what you make of another union that the biannuals team and harris administration had been trying to count on has decided it is not going to endorse the democrats. the michigan firefighter union is skipping a presidential endorsement that seems not good and confounding given the biden
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harris administration on unions. and generally, democrats supporting ruinon lie boar and organizing. >> we have seen a couple of unions do this. teamsters have been out there supporting democrats. even if their national leadership is doing something different, that's interesting to me. this is about leadership. and whether you are going to lead or follow. there is no missing the fact a lot of union members in this state voted for donald trump. maybe voted for him twice. there is a real push and pull going on in the rank and file. but this is why leadership matters. we are seeing them lead from the front. and say here is my case. i will make my case to my members because one side of this cares about collective bargaining. one side. the democrats care about union labor. and have actually put their money where their mouth is
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literally. it is not great. but i think that to me it is a failure of leadership. not that it reflects massive shift. >> do you, i mean, it will be a close race in michigan right? maybe closer than it was in 2020 when it was 150,000 votes give or take. what is your level of concern? i wonder what you make of the fact that you know, this is one of the largest sort of population centers for muslim and middle eastern north african citizens, the mayor has endorsed trump, that's coming at the same time as the uncommitted group as said it supporters should not vote for
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donald trump. >> we have a lot of different groups going on here. it is like a mixing bowl effect. we have folks who are, who we think would never be trump voters voting for trump. folks frustrated with the top of the ticket saying i will vote for a third party. a classic michigan issue. we are like that in every election. donald trump has been trying to make his way into some of our ethnic and religious communities. make making promising he can't keep. we have been having counter conversations certainly. the mayor is bangladeshi american. i had some events with them.
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it's a competition here. and i think people think they understand a place like michigan. you know. if you are in new york or california but we are a very different place. we have independently minded voters. nothing happens without work here. just out there, door knocking, it's a real thing and it matters here. >> yeah. i am still stunned by the fact. i was in michigan a couple of weeks ago and there were a number of folks who were union laborers who jobs benefited from the work of the democratic administration who didn't know where they were going to vote. didn't have an opinion on what harris and biden had done for them and their jobs and were genuinely going to make the decision on their way to the polls. then donald trump arrives in
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michigan and insults detroit and has the awe disty to audacity to say he is going back to detroit on friday. does nothing matter? is up down and down up? how do you explain away the sort of insults and the disregard that trump is showing to michigan voters by name and his surprising strength in the state? >> yeah. he came to detroit. dumped on detroit. today he was in chicago having another talk. dumped on detroit again. and he is coming back friday. he doesn't understand that we are proud of the city. everyone feels committed to it. i can't explain his decision making but look, you have to imagine that michiganers, the media market in detroit is the most expensive in the country. it is more expensive to buy ads
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in detroit than it is in manhattan or la because of the political ads. people are just being bombarded. in mail, digital,tive. and most michiganers can't stand that kind of stuff. so they shut it out. and for some people, it is like you said, they are making decisions at the last minute. it's a vibe check and it's the job of both parties to make their case and get in under the wire. but it is, that's why we are a swing state. that's why it is always competitive here and the minute you sleep on michigan it will flip the other way. >> mike rogers, your opponent says he is worried about democrats planning shenanigans at the polls. how worried are you about republican chicanery? >> he said shenanigans in southeast michigan which is detroit. we know what that means when he
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is saying that. you know look, we have a strong secretary of state. we believe in our democratic process. the vast majority of michiganers just want free and fair elections and they want them to be certified and they don't want to be involved in all the drama of 2020. most people understand that joe biden won that election. i don't fear we will have a problem with our elections because we have responsible clerks and responsible secretary of state who will make sure it is implemented well. >> congresswoman alyssa, one of the tightest senate battles in the country. thanks for taking a little time tonight. appreciate it. still ahead, three weeks before election day. kamala harris is stepping up her appeal to black voters. with a wide ranging sitdown interview in detroit. with radio host charlemane the god. how did she do? that's next. how did she do? that's next. to me, harlem is home.
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we are in what can safely be called the home stretch of the 2024 election. and as part of her final push, kamala harris is making a direct appeal to young black men. a key block of voter who's have been reliably democratic in the past but have become increasingly trump curious this election according to recent polling. this evening the vice president
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attended a radio town hall with charlemaine the god. cohost of the breakfast club. harris made it clear she is not taking anyone's vote for granted. >> i have been in this race 70 days and some people are getting to know me. i know i need to earn every vote. i have to earn people's support. and i am working to do that. >> she took the opportunity to speak directly with black men. >> the other piece of this is something that is critically important. is to see black folks and particularly black men as a whole human being. and understand that we are talking about sons and fathers
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and grandsons and grandparents. we are talking uncles. >> she also used the interview to highlight donald trump's embrace of policies with racial and racist elements. >> ask donald trump what his plan is for black america. ask him. i'll tell you what it is. look at project 2025. project 2025 tells you the plan includes making police departments have stop and frisk policies. he says he will terminate the constitution of the united states. let me remind folks you know what's in the constitution of the united states? the fourth amendment which protects you against unreasonable searches and surgeries. the fifth amend. the sixth amend. the 14th. and he is going to terminate the constitution of the united states? >> many young men among the voters, she chose to contrast
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herself and trump in the starkest possible terms. >> it's two very different visions. one mind is about taking us forward and investing the american people. investing in their ambitions. dealing with their challenges. and the other, donald trump is about taking us backward. >> fascism. why can't we just say it? >> yes. we can say that. >> so how did she do? will that message resonate in the communities harris needs to win? i'm going to talk to someone who was on the ground in perhaps the most critical swing state and among the very voters harris is trying to convince. coming right up next. ce. coming right up next. with dexcom g7, managing your diabetes just got easier. so, what's your glucose number right now? good thing you don't need to fingerstick. how's all that food affect your glucose? oh, the answers on your phone. what if you're heading low at night? [phone beeps] wow, it can alert you?!
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president obama was out there last week waving his finger at black men. when is liz cheney going to start waving her finger at white women? >> i think what is happening is we are all working on reminding people what is at stake. >> that was harris at a radio town hall in detroit responding to a question from host charlemagne to god about the different ways in which the democratic party is grappling with its soft support in key constituencies. joining me now is the majority whip of the city council.
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i am eager to get your perspective on the town hall that happened today and more broadly democratic support among communities of color. specifically young man. can you describe to me how you think that different approaches, one from obama who has in some ways scolded black men for not offering harris full throated support and saying they are not feeling the idea of having a female president and harris today taking a opposite tact, i need to earn votes and i understand i need to. which strategy is more effective? >> good cop, bad cop. thank you for having me come at the end of the day all dialogue is important. if you understand campaign strategy, the idea is to raise items to the forefront, make
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sure people are discussing things we know are important and will move the needle and i am excited to see black men as part of the conversation. as far as the direction of the nation, also what happens and how we hold elected officials accountable and what are the potential outcomes based on our vote. people on the ground doing as much work as i have, this is the message we have been hearing, i am glad this policy initiative is reflective of what we have been asking for but at the end of the day both approaches are effective. there are times you need to be aggressive like obama and as the candidate i would not want the current vice president to have that approach. i want her to have the perspective of somebody who is humble and approaching this as every vote counts. every stony's to be uncovered
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and we want to let black men know their vote is important to this campaign. >> it is fascinating, good cop, bad cop. i wonder, today's town hall is remarkable not just because of what she addressed but what she did not talk about and she did not spend much time on abortion. can you talk to me about how resident that conversation is in the conversations you are part of? >> we think about the issue of abortion and the women's right to choose, that is a easy topic to discuss. that is the home game. we are at the tail end of the campaign and it is important we have as many away games as
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possible. we need tough conversations with folks that may not necessarily cheer when we finished talking or clap at some of our major speaking point. we need to go into rooms where people are skeptical about voting and we need to educate and inform them and make sure they understand what is at stake. make sure we can connect the dots as it relates to local, state and federal government has done for them in the past. how their vote has results that move the needle for them. i think the work will continue and i am proud of the effort we put forth in philadelphia but i do know we have more to do in the coming weeks. >> please come back to the show, i want to hear more about this, i think this will be one of the more dominant conversations in the last few weeks of the race. you know it's better than most. >> thank you for having me, i appreciate it.
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we had a referendum in the state of ohio, they voted 60-40 two go in the other direction. to implement a much more liberal abortion regime then certainly the people on the other side for campaigning for. what do you take from that? we lost the trust of the american people. when we campaigned for our position they mistrusted us and we need to get the trust back. >> that is jd vance this past weekend with his take on ohio's abortion policy. in 2023 voters chose overwhelmingly to enshrine abortion access in the state
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constitution but the lesson vance took from that was not to respect voters desire for reproductive freedom but focus on convincing them they do not want that. republican candidates seem to be following suit. bernie marino recently said abortion is not that big of a deal saying it is crazy for women past 52 think it is a issue at all. joining me now it's his opponent, senator brown. it is great to have you on the show. do you have a take on why it is vance and bernie marino seem intent on remaining at odds with what ohio voters want? >> marino thinks he knows better. it passed in a huge number of
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counties around the state, people in ohio stated what they think, bernie holds onto a national abortion been, says he is 100% pro life. no exceptions. people are spending a lot of money on this issue and that is why people should consider contributing to my campaign. he thinks he knows better and wants to override what ohio voters said and we will not let him go to washington. >> it is such a tight race, it is staggering that you would take a position at odds with the voters on the same hand i wonder if you have a take on why union support has not been as strong as it should be? unitization petitions doubled during biden's administration yet the teamsters and the
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international association of firefighters declined to endorse harris. why is union support a problem? >> i will not speak nationally but i know what is happening in ohio. last week i was endorsed by the firefighters and in cleveland i was with 20 teamsters and i was at the youngstown planed with 50 autoworkers talking about how we need to stand up for them. we saved the pension of 100,000 union workers so i think too often people think they look left to right in politics. to me it is whose side you are on. i knew when i got in the race they would spend tens of millions. when you stand up for workers and you stand up to special interests, wall street, companies that outsource jobs and the drug companies, they come after you. more money against me in this race than any senate race in history. that is why i ask people to
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help, there is for big billionaires on their side assisting. there are a lot more of us than there are of them which is why when you stand up for workers and the interest groups you take a state like ohio. >> you have the endorsement of these unions, you mentioned saving pension plans and that is something biden did and i wonder what explains the disconnect between you, a democrat working to help union workers and somebody at the federal level doing the same thing and not getting the credit. >> i do not know the answer. the teamsters worked on these issues. all i know is if you realize politics is not left to right, it is whose side you are on, you take the elections. to me, of course i wanted a
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teamster endorsement and got it. i was at the pipefitters the other day with the president of the brick layers, there endorsement means a lot and i get it but what it really means is when a painter turns to another painter at a construction site and says i am voting for brown because he is the most prolabor guy. that is how you take elections. as much money as they are throwing against me, i will take it because i stand up for the workers and people know i am on their side. >> 400 million has been spent on your race and advertisements. what does that reflect in terms of steaks? >> it tells you they do not want somebody like me. somebody that will keep wall street honest. make sure they cannot rip people off.
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they do not want somebody like me who will take on the drug companies like i have my entire career. take on companies that outsource jobs because when you stand up to them that is why they want to beat you. when i got into the race again two years ago i knew they would spend tens of millions of dollars because they do not want me in the senate because i stand up for them. that is why i will take it. republicans, democrats and independents understand i will stand up for them and represent them aggressively and personally and fight like for their interests. >> senator brown from ohio, thank you for your time. that is our show for tonight, now it is time for the last word. >> it is 10:00 tuesday night, exactly 3 weeks from now we

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