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it is good to be back with you on this second hour of "chris jansing reports." at this hour, evil and dangerous. donald trump doubling down on calling political opponents enemies from within on a town hall meant to tackle women's issues, and the reason kamala harris is calling the former president unstable. heartbreak and pain, the powerful stories from families separated at the border under the trump presidency. one just 9 years old. their message today for the former president at a harris/walz campaign press conference. plus, three donors, three months, the millions of dollars, the huge haul of cash to support former president trump's campaign, and how elon musk fits into it all. and trump faithful. donald trump trying to juice turnout in one rural county in

battleground, arizona, that went all out for him in 2020. his message, to vote early, and who's listening? we have a live report on the ground. our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments, and we start with kamala harris questioning the former president's mental stability hours after he attacked democrats as sick and evil. nbc's shaquille brewster is in chicago. shaq, what are we hearing from both campaigns about this? >> well, chris, you're frequently hearing heated rhetoric being exchanged between vice president harris and former president donald trump. a lot of it is centered around the comments we heard from donald trump on sunday. he was in an interview with fox news, and he referred to democrats as a quote, enemy from within. you remember the fire storm that caused with the harris campaign saying that this was another sign that donald trump was dangerous, that he was unhinged: tim walz coming out on the campaign trail and combining it with comments trump made about

the military possibly being used around election day. this is something that crossed the line. you see there, donald trump did a town hall on fox news and was asked about the criticism of the initial comments, and he doubled down. listen here. >> it is the enemy from within. and they're very dangerous. they're marxists and communists and fascists, and they were saying, i was like threatening, i'm not threatening anybody. they're the ones doing the threatening. they do phony investigations. i've been investigated more than capone. it's called weaponization of government, it's a terrible thing. they're the threat to democracy. >> this is something that you continue to see blasted out by the harris campaign, trying to paint donald trump as a threat for essentially saying that democrats are more threatening than our foreign adversaries. meanwhile, we did just hear from vice president harris who was

asked about the monday town hall that donald trump had that turned into this listening session where he stood up there for about 30 minutes, swaying and listening to music. and was asked whether or not donald trump should face a cognitive test. i want you to listen to the remarks she made there on the tarmac as she was leaving detroit. >> donald trump is increasingly unstable, and has been said by the people who have worked closely with him, even when he was president, he's unfit to be president of the united states. >> by the way, we're monitoring another town hall event, this one with univision that trump is having right now. we just saw a clip in which he was essentially confronted by someone who said he supported trump in the past, but because of january 6th that he was shifting his support, and couldn't see himself supporting donald trump again. trump there doubling down, saying that january 6th was a day of love. saying that nothing was done wrong. and saying that the people, his

former administration officials who are no longer backing him, no longer supporting him, he's dismissing him and saying that he has tremendous support from people who did work in his administration, chris. >> shaquille brewster, thank you. we've got a new warning from the harris campaign today with some help from migrant families who were separated under the trump administration. nbc's marissa parra is reporting from doral, florida, what's the message? >> reporter: i want to explain the significance, this is in miami-dade county, we're going to see a town hall that mr. trump will be part of. in the last few hours, we saw and heard a harris/walz press conference here. and doral is largely venezuelan. we heard from migrant families, specifically in front after

makeshift wall that said harris/walz, keep families together. we heard from kids who described their experiences being separated from their families under the trump administration. take a listen. >> during the trump administration in 2018, i suffered a lot of trauma. the emptiness that i felt when they told me i wasn't going to be able to see my family again was something out of this world, and no kid should go through. >> i don't want donald trump to be president again because i don't want other kids to go through what i did. >> these kids who have lived through horrific trauma, through the pain of being separated from their parents, what you heard from them moments ago will be far worse if trump gets a second term. >> reporter: to recap what we heard, largely, of course, you heard from the children who described their experiences, not just what they described to be very difficult experiences, to

live in day-to-day, but the trauma of not knowing when they were going to be reunited with their families, if they day ever came, and we also, as you heard add the end there, heard from congresswoman veronica escobar. she was pressed as well as the spokesperson for the harris/walz campaign, of how different four more years of the harris administration would look from the last four years, and pressed on what the differences would be, and how different that would be, and their answer was largely that republicans had been getting in the way of their efforts to see the immigration vision as they had it. but i will just add two more things, chris, when it comes to the numbers, we know roughly 5,500 parents and children were separated under trump. >> thank you for that. now to the massive money in this race. three billionaires have made staggeringly high donations to donald trump's campaign over the last three months. nbc senior business about list,

and host of msnbc's "the 11th hour" stephanie ruhle is following this for us. what do we know about this money behind trump? >> this eye popping number, you know who one of those people is going to be, elon musk. donald trump said he's going to be giving me $45 million for the election, and musk said, oh, maybe not that much. it's been that and more. first, you always have to remember, elon musk purchased twitter. one of the biggest, most influential social media communication platforms on the planet, and basically all day every day, he is pushing out pro trump content, lots of misinformation in there. so that's even before he cuts a check to the campaign. he's put $75 million into a super pac focused on electing trump, and created an outside voter registration campaigning effort that's outside the campaign, specifically focused on swing states.

that's just elon musk. we all kind of knew about him. then there's a man whose name you might not have ever heard of it. it's dick, eulein, his business is really a shipping equipment company. he's giving an enormous amount of money, $50 million into restore america super pac. this super pac, yes, it pays for trump ads and really traffics in conspiracy theory world. a lot of that money goes to groups that push election denialism. back in the last round of elections, he supported heavily, doug mastriano, a major maga guy, and roy cooper, if you remember from alabama, even after those allegations of sexual misconduct arose, and then the last one is miriam adeleson, the widow of shell don

adelson, her name popped up in 2019 toward the end of the trump administration when he gave her a presidential medal of honor, which many people said it encapsulated what a transactional president donald trump was. many said it is not -- presidential historians said it's not what president kennedy envisioned for the people who would get the honor. she's a huge donor to trump. if you're in the gaming business, gaming is one of the most regulated industries in this country. and having a direct line into the white house, when you've got those gaming hurdles, when you've got the gaming commission after you in nevada, when you open up casinos in other states, it's worth a lot to you to be able to call the white house, and she certainly can if donald trump is in the office. >> for $100 million. stephanie ruhle, thank you so much. let's go to arizona now,

where mojave county. you have been seeing long lines of people ready to cast ballots, and i wonder what they're telling you. what's motivating them to turn out early? >> reporter: right. well, mojave county for folks to have an idea of the makeup of the electorate. it went 75% for donald trump back in the 2020 election, and it turned out in record numbers. it was almost able to help overcome the deficit that he faced in maricopa county, which is the metropolis area around the phoenix area. whoever wins maricopa county, so goes the election, but donald trump lost by several percentage points, maricopa county in 2020, but he almost overcame that deficit by juicing his turnout in the rural counties like this here. we spent the last 24 hours in a couple of different cities in the county. there was a lineup of 30 people that were all, they told us,

trump supporters, nobody audibly speaking the words kamala harris, and that's exactly what donald trump and his campaign apparatus want to hear. take a listen to a few of the folks we talked to. >> they said you voted early for the first time. >> for the first time. >> why did you vote early this year? >> because donald trump told me to. >> reporter: what do you think about donald trump? >> he's huge. he's in it for the power, i know that. most of them are. >> reporter: but you want him to have that power? >> yeah. yep, i do. >> reporter: why do you think people are more enthusiastic than they were even four years ago? >> they're waking up. >> business owners like myself are tired of him getting ostracized by 34 felonies for doing nothing illegal. >> reporter: some of the volunteers were telling me that they have a grass roots organization that have 600 volunteers, door knocking and

their goal was to turn out 10% more of registered republicans than they did in 2020, and they believe if they can turn out that extra 10%, and they have the names of who those folks are, they will be able to help donald trump win the state of arizona. robert was one of those voters. didn't vote in 2020, yet he was here early voting in 2024. i asked him why, and he said he's horrified by the state of the country here right now, and that is where donald trump and his allies, they continue to try to hone in on that base. they think that they could come up and make up for deficits among women voters, suburban voters, and independent voters for folks out here. will kamala harris break away from joe biden on critical issues where voters have been skeptical of the administration. coming up, we'll speak to delaware senator chris coons on the ground in arizona about the challenges and whether she can successfully pitch herself as a change candidate.

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the majority, what are the odds? >> we are working as hard as we can. >> i'm saying 51-49 if you don't give me number. the only numbers hakeem jeffries hears about are the ones on election day. slim house margins means slipping four seats would give democrats the majority, and jeffries a historic speakership. >> we're going to reelect vasquez at the second judicial district in new mexico. >> why is a guy from brooklyn in alburquerque, new mexico sfl it's important for us to keep our foot on the gas pedal. >> new mexico's second congressional is one of the tightest on the map. one of two dozen flipable seats that could decide if it's jeffries or a republican holding the gavel come january. >> jeffries bouncing from oregon, to new mexico, all important california and new york. january 6th showed just how

important who sits in the speaker's chair can be. >> we're prepared to affirm the will of the american people. >> do you believe mike johnson is too? >> it remains to be seen whether extreme maga republicans are prepared to certify the election if kamala harris is successful and that's a very troubling development. >> speaker johnson is the republican leader jeffries deese with now. it was johnson's predecessor, ousted speaker kevin mccarthy who set the tone for this chaotic congress. >> through all of the extraordinary and unprecedented events, i've come to the conclusion that calm is an intentional decision. >> house democrats have been hard at work. >> calm may prove easier said than done for jeffreys and his fellow democrats if trump is back this the white house. >> we will find bipartisan common ground with our republican colleagues on any issue, traditional republican colleagues. >> trump's not so traditional,

huh. >> traditional republican colleagues whenever and wherever possible in order to make life better for the american people. but we will push back against extremism whenever necessary. >> this is what we are dealing with. >> taking back the gavel means setting congress's to do list. >> what's the first thing that democrats will do? >> we'll figure out the order of the legislation that will move on the house floor, but it's fair to say that a top priority is to make sure that we pass, as we've done before, the women's health protection act in order to restore the protections of roe v. wade. >> now, voters will decide if house democrats get that chance. >> voters will decide, chris, and more of them are going to be getting a reminder to get out and vote from the house democratic campaign arm because they're up with $3 million worth of digital ads focused in states like colorado, oregon, others that are going to be not key on the presidential level, but

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just a few hours ago, this is democratic candidate ruben gallego who cast his ballot in arizona, presumably for himself. the swing state where he's fighting against republican kari lake. vice president kamala harris is trailing donald trump in arizona. democratic senator chris coons is there in the state campaigning for both harris and gallego and joins us now. good to see you again, senator. i wonder if you think the biggest threat to kamala harris in arizona now might be the split ticket voter? >> well, it's great to be on with you again, chris, and i'm excited to be here in arizona campaigning in phoenix and in tucson with my friend and colleague, senator mark kelly, and with others. i'm a coach here of the harris/walz campaign.

and i'm optimistic about the potential outcome in arizona. congressman ruben gallego is an outstanding candidate, and i think we have a well organized ground game in arizona to connect with folks, even though it's almost 100 degrees today. early voting has started, mail-in voting is a big part of voting in arizona, and making sure that we can protect the ballot and get the message out to voters about former president trump's increasingly unhinged attacks on political opponents, his strident and ill-informed positions on what he should do as president to advance our economy or harm our economy and the strong ways in which vice president harris has laid out a clear, positive and forward-looking proposal for how she would continue the economic recovery that's begun under president biden. >> i know you know how this works, and i also know you well enough you did not go to arizona without doing your home work.

let me ask you this, do you think the message that's going to turn polls around is an anti-trump message, is it a particular issue, do you think the border, immigration is hurting her? i think anybody who watches sees the difference in the positive, forward-looking message that kamala harris is putting out there, but what do you think needs to happen in arizona? >> reporter: well, look at the three candidates i'm here to fight for. kamala harris, tim walz, ruben gallego, all three grew up in the middle class, different variations of the american dream. folks who were raised in the case of ruben and kamala, by a single mom. tim walz, someone who in his childhood in nebraska also knows what it means to live and work paycheck to paycheck. that's in sharp contrast to donald trump, someone who inherited hundreds of millions of dollars, spent most of his life as a billionaire developer out of new york city. the average person here in arizona cares about opportunity.

and vice president harris has been laying out clear, strong, viable proposals for how to create more opportunity for more people. the middle class here in arizona has the same chance to live the kind of life filled with opportunity and the chance to earn their way into middle class and prosperity that marked the lives of three individuals. i'm going to be emphasizing their positive message. i'm also going to be talking about the ways in which former president trump is a real threat to democracy. and that's reflected in the positions taken by kari lake who's running for the senate here and has an alarming record of election denialism. we want to run a positive campaign that focuses on moving our country forward in contrast to donald trump and kari lake, who want to take our country backwards. >> senator chris coons, going out into 100 degree weather to campaign for ruben gallego and kamala harris. maybe they'll let you lose the jacket.

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two democratic underdogs, both fighting senate races in red states and trying to find a blue tilt. colin all red crashed with ted cruz for texas's closer than expected senate election.

the debate, serving as a kind of microcosm of the democratic republican divide over key issues like border security, democracy, transgender rights and abortion. >> you should look into the camera and speak to kate cox who's watching right now, and explain why you said this law is perfectly reasonable, why she was forced to leave her two children behind and flee our state to get the care she needed or the people who have been forced to give birth to their rapist child. >> you listen to congressman allred's answer, at no point did he make any reference to his own record. for what the law should be in texas, that's a decision that should be made by the state legislature. >> abortion is a hot button issue by two men in a conservative state, ohio. democrat, sherrod brown, in a pitched battle to hold on to his seat against republican bernie moreno. >> ohioans clearly have stated what they think.

bernie moreno holds on to an abortion ban. he wants 100%. he says he's 100% no exceptions, rape, incest, health of the women. they're spending a lot of money on this issue. he thinks he knows better. he wants to override what ohio voters said. >> nbc's julie tsirkin is reporting from capitol hill. also joining us jeremy wallace, political reporter for the houston chronicle, and former republican governor of ohio, john kasich, and msnbc political analyst. julie, that texas senate debate was the one and only that they're scheduled to have. what do we think it might mean for the race in texas? >> well, chris, it could mean a boost for colin allred, and a boost for democrats who are now hoping as they did back in 2018 that perhaps this is the time in three decades that a democrat can win statewide in texas. beto ran against ted cruz, he was really within a couple of

points of cruz who ultimately did win back in 2018, but for allred's part, look, he's a member of congress. he has been really trying to shift to the center as we often see. we see that as well from cruz who's shifting to the center on the opposite end of the political spectrum. he cornered cruz on every issue from immigration to the border, abortion, as you mentioned, and of course democracy. take it here. >> you can't be for the mob on january 6th and for the officers, you can't. and it's not funny. because you're a threat to democracy. >> sure. >> i was on the house floor when we went through the votes, and i remember when you objected to the results in arizona. when that mob came, senator cruz was hiding in a supply closet. that's okay. i don't want them to get hurt by the mob. this election is accountability. >> reporter: that moment specifically was kind of viral afterwards online. in fact, a couple of moments ago, allred announced a $1 million fundraising haul since last night's debate. now, we have to be clear about this. texas would be a long shot for

democrats, but we just reported yesterday, for example, that the senate campaign arm for democrats is pouring money into texas and florida, and that is because they have a very tight majority to work with against republicans here, losing just one seat in a battle ground state could cost them the upper chamber, chris. >> julie, thank you for that. jeremy, thank you for coming back. you and i spoke yesterday about the expectations for this debate. i did watch it from start to finish. i wonder if you think either side got a boost from it? obviously colin allred made some money. >> he got what he needed out of this debate going into it. he needed to make sure he could continue to, you know, make this case against ted cruz, particularly on abortion issues, and he got that, you know, cruz wasn't able to say anything to maybe deflect from the issue or lessen the bird of that issue. you saw it repeatedly, he was asked if he supported exceptions to rape and incest in the texas

law, and he worked around it every time. he didn't give any strong answer on it to do anything, to blunt what allred has been able to do so far on that. i think in that regard, that helped allred, but cruz benefitted too, in one big way. i think, you know, on the transgender rights issue, i don't think allred did anything in that debate to stop the attacks that are going on tv right now from ted cruz. >> can i stop you for a second. i think we have that sound, and i'll get your thoughts about it on the other side. >> four times, he has come out for men playing in women's sports for boys playing in girls sport. >> i don't support boys playing girls sports. >> why did you vote for it? >> what i think is folks should not be discriminated against. >> and i've seen it in, i think i talked about this yesterday as well. i've seen it in some of the ads, obviously, that are on tv for both sides. how big is this issue in texas right now?

>> i think for the swing voters, i don't think it's as big an issue as it is for the base voters. what i mean by that, you look at, you know, ted cruz's travel plans tell you how important this issue was. right after this debate, he went out west of the panhandle, amarillo, lubbock, midland, conservative areas where he's going to use the issue to drive out voter turnout. he was speaking to the base. you saw allred talking to independent voters, trying to assure them, he's not anything they need to be worried about. he was aiming for what cruz ended up doing. focused on the base voter, aren't you concerned about boys playing in girls sports, that issue doesn't move the needle in the middle as much as it does on the far right. >> governor, let's talk about ohio and the senate race there.

abortion at the center of it. >> sadly, by the way, there's a lot of suburban women that are like, if i can't have an abortion in this country whenever i want, i will vote for anybody else. you're a little crazy, especially for women that are past 50. >> so moreno, he was joking, but it did catch the attention of a lot of people including nikki haley who posted, are you trying to lose the election. how important is abortion in the race on the ground where you are in ohio, governor? >> i can tell you, moreno's comments have touched a nerve with women, but i have to also say, chris, that look, this race is going to be decided fundamentally by the margin donald trump has in ohio. if donald trump wins by a significant margin, it will be

too much for sherrod brown to overcome. if it's close, then i think sherrod has a good shot at being able to retain his seat. we're going to have to see how this plays out over the next three weeks. just a comment here about texas and florida. i don't think the democrats are going to win either of those states. i know the race was close when beto o'rourke ran. he lost by two or three points. when you think about two or three points in a state the size of texas, those are huge numbers. i'm sort of surprised they're pouring so much money in there. there are other places. think about the math, chris. it's the math of what's happening this year. the democrats have so many seats to defend and the republicans are on the offense because of the sheer math of who is at risk. so you think about west virginia, which is probably what you certainly lost to the democrats, another state is montana where people are saying that pretty much tester is not going to pull this thing out.

then you have a sleeper down in maryland where larry hogan is probably, i mean, i can tell you that he's got momentum going. does he win? it's a tough state to win. but the democrats are going to have to pour money into that, and not ignore it. i'm a little surprised that they're spending money in texas and in florida. i think texas other time with the demographic change is going to become far more competitive. i don't think it's there yet. back in this state, you have to watch to see how donald trump does, and if it's a wide margin, i don't think sherrod will hold on. a wide margin, he probably will. >> it's the most expensive senate race in the country, and the latest fundraising numbers show sherrod brown raising as much as five types as moreno, last night, brown told msnbc what he sees as his key to winning. >> all i know is that if you focus, if you realize politics isn't left to right, it's whose

side you're on. you win these elections, regardless of what means more is when a painter or a bricklayer turns to another painter or bricklayer and tells her, i'm voting for sherrod brown, he fights for workers. that's how you win elections. >> he said he was happy for the endorsements of the unions but he would rather somebody who was a union worker said what they said. what's going to be the difference in the race? do you think it's only donald trump or is there some messaging involved and frankly familiarity, familiarity with sherrod brown? >> well, look, sherrod, he's a scrapper, he's a tough fighter, a tough campaigner. but at some point, as the reality hits you in terms of what that turnout is and how many republicans are going to vote for brown, here's what's interesting, chris, when i was elected governor in 2010, every single office save one was held by the democrats, believe it or

not. then after i won and got reelected, now we don't have any democrats holding any statewide office. i think ohio will change. i think it will pivot back to be far more competitive. right now, it's red. it's republican. but, again, you have to offset that against the fact that sherrod has been around for a while, and that he's touch. he's a tough guy to beat. so it's going to a large part about simple math, the turnout, who's there, what does trump do, and does he make it or does he not. keep an eye on it. >> i'll be in ohio this weekend, governor, i'll wave as i fly over columbus. john kasich, jeremy wallace, thank you both. harris and trump trying to appeal to black voters in different ways. what voters in detroit are saying, including one who says he's been left in the dust by democrats. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc.

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the ongoing fight for black voters is heating up with di metically opposed approaches from the presidential campaigns. kamala harris appeared on shah . >> i understand who our church leaders are and who the congregation is. and he's selling $60 bibles. or tennis shoes and trying to play people as though that makes him more understanding of the black community. come on. >> and here's donald trump. just a few hours after that, in atlanta. >> i tell you what, any african-american or hispanic, and you know how well i'm doing there, that votes for kamala, you got to have your head examined because they are really screwing you.

they are really screwing you. >> now, harris is leading trump by a big margin in registered black voters in the nbc news poll, but it's a smaller lead than joe biden won with in 2020, and much smaller than obama's in 2008. nbc's monica alba is reporting from yeardley, pennsylvania, i'm also joined by michael hardaway, former communications director for congressman hakeem jeffries. monica, what more do we know about harris' outreach to black voters? >> reporter: this is part of her opportunity economy pitch which is something she laid out at the democratic national convention, and is talking about who would stand to benefit the most from her plans if she's elected, and when it comes to black men specifically, we now know that there is an agenda that she's put forth that would include a lot of different things, including some forgivable loans, for instance, for black entrepreneurs. it would also protect some

cryptocurrency investments. it also is laying out a position she's talked a little bit about but hasn't always gone into too much detail on, which is the idea of legalizing marijuana. so there are a lot of different components to a plan like this, and she spent time detailing that yesterday, as you mentioned, with radio host charlamagne tha god, and answering questions when presented with things like what would you do with this key constituency that of course she's doing better with than former candidate joe biden when he was at the top of the ticket. but when it comes to black men specifically, there has been some erosion, some slippage there compared to other numbers that the campaign is looking at and saying, how can we make a direct appeal. and that's also why you saw former president obama as a really key messenger on that point, though. he really had a pointed and sharp question that he posed to specifically black men about why they might be hesitant about

electing the first black female president. and that's something that he's continued to expect to touch on. chris? >> thank you so much for that, monica. there's that slippage of black men we're seeing. here's what some of them told sky news in detroit. >> the democratic party has left black voters in the dust. >> it's almost like they want to seduce us with obama. >> gas was cheaper, my bills were cheaper. life was better under president trump. >> most black men in america are determining not do they want to vote for kamala or trump, it's do they want to vote for the vice president or stay home. >> so what does kamala harris need to say to voters like that who aren't feeling the impact from democrats in their communities? >> there are two very important things happening at the same time. the first is many of those voters have a very good point,

the democratic party has not done enough to engage with black men in a meaningful way. i think she's taken concrete steps this week to fix that and particularly with the first initiative surrounding entrepreneurship in $20,000 loans. entrepreneurship in the black community, at every level from barbers to tech entrepreneurs is incredibly important. that will be impactful. we have to consider this, and black voters know this, donald trump is unfit to be president. he seems to be mentally unwell. at every level, he is not our candidate, and so what you're seeing is among black voters, there may be some hesitancy. it's not people who are supporting donald trump. it's people that are saying, i have an issue with the democratic party. i need those things to be fixed. we should also remember one thing, our debt is at $35 trillion. by the end of trump's first term, that could be $50 trillion. that is incredibly problematic from an economic perspective. black voters understand that.

i think black voters also understand the fact that these tariffs he wants to put in place will drive us into a recession. that's also critical. as we have this conversation, let's keep the perspective of black voters are smart voters. they understand what's at stake here, and overwhelmingly, they will continue to support this candidate in kamala harris because she's the better option for this country. >> i'm curious about criminal justice because one of the criticisms we've heard of kamala harris and sometimes without many specifics is what she did when she was a prosecutor in california, right, and in a critical way. and then you have donald trump saying very recently he wants to return to proven crime fighting records, including stop and frisk. he talks about going after his enemies. do you think her record may actually be hurting her from the time she was a prosecutor with

black male voters? >> no, i think what she should do is move forward, it focus specifically on how she will fix our broken criminal justice system. whatever happened 15, 20 years ago, i think for most black men is not at the top of their list in terms of how they're going to select a candidate. what she should do is focus on the fact that there are many hundreds of thousands of people in jail right now for selling marijuana that is currently legal in many states. what she should do is focus on the fact that there are many people in the marijuana industry who are black, who don't have access to banking because of the current system. she can fix those things, and again, look, donald trump is a criminal himself. he's been indicted multiple times. he's been impeached multiple times, so anything he has to say about the criminal justice system or anything around that has no relevance at all, and he knows that. >> michael hardaway, it's always good to see you. thank you so much for coming up. >> thank you. and breaking news, new movement in the trump election interference case.

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breaking news, judge tanya chutkan has just made a filing in former president trump's election interference case calling trump's legal arguments strained. nbc's ryan reilly is following this. walk us through a little more what exactly did judge chutkan say? >> yeah, so this is all in response to donald trump's request for discovery. she said there are three out of the 14 categories of discovery that he requested that might go forward. and rejected a number of them. one that jumped out was a focus that he wanted a discovery about foreign influence in the 2020 campaign. donald trump's lawyers are trying to pivot and said forget all of that stuff he was saying about philadelphia and detroit, majority back cities, he was actually more focused on foreign

interference. that's what he was actually worried about, and judge asked for discovery about foreign influence, and judge chutkan dismissed that out of hand. it doesn't match up with what he was publicly expressing at the time. that's not really the reason that he was making these false claims about election fraud, so this case is continuing to chug on, even as we are less than three weeks out from the election going forward. there's going to be a deadline just after the election for the trump team, and then there will be another ruling from judge chutkan down the line about whether this case continues, ultimately might go for the supreme court. all of that depends if donald trump wins the 2024 election. >> that's going to do it for us this hour. our coverage continues with "katy tur reports" right now. ♪♪ good to be with you. i'm katy tur. 20 days until the election, and voters have a bevy of revealing interviews to chew over as both donald trump and