harsh reality of displacement and uncertainty. each displacement leads to a another fragment of our shattered souls, time feels like it has stopped in gaza and we are stuck in a never ending nightmare. instead, the world became a witness of his violent death in a video depicting the endless horrors in gaza, that whether we like it or not, our government and our weapons are facilitating day after day until something changes. that is all in on this wednesday night. good evening, alex. >> you are so right to put a human face on what is happening, we have become desensitized to the carnage and i think with so many other crises, we are learning that actually telling the story of the people who are living, or in this case dying in these

moments is the only way to make them resonate with the larger public. thank you for doing that, my friend. okay, today, both donald trump and vice president harris had their own specials on fox news, trump's was a town hall with women voters and in georgia, while, harris sat with bret baier, needless to say, the specials could not have been more different, the trump town hall was filled with very sympathetic audience. to give you a sense of what it was like in the room was the tone of the audience-based q&a. >> the middle class continues to struggle, these last 3 1/2 years under the biden-harris administration, could you outline your plans to revitalize the economy again as president.>> furthering the discussion on immigrant crime along with cities where crime is under -- out of control.

>> i would ask that you pay careful attention to the generals that you put in charge. >> it was a very friendly crowd on fox news, who could have guessed. for the most part, if you are not near a tv during this town hall, you did not miss much, trump's said outrageous things about abortion and human rights, but for the most part, this was not appointment television except for one moment. there was one moment where trump was presented with his own words and given a pretty big offramp to either downplay or clarify some of the most authoritarian stuff he has ever said. but instead of taking that offramp, here is what happened.>> i want to take a look at what you said, and just tell me, let's watch it.

>> if we have to. >> we have the outside enemy and we have the enemy from within and the enemy from within in my opinion is more dangerous than china, russia, and all these countries because if you have a smart president, he can handle them. but the thing that is tough to handle, these lunatics that we have inside like adam schiff, i call him the enemy from within. >> kamala harris said you sounded unhinged and unchecked. >> i thought it was a nice presentation. i wasn't unhinged.>> a nice presentation of explicit fascism but you wouldn't know it from the laughter in the fox audience and trump didn't stop, he doubled down. >> it is the enemy from within and they are very dangerous, they are marxist and communist and fascist, they are dangerous

for our country, we have china, russia, all these countries, if you have a smart president, they can be handled. the more difficult, the pelosi's, these people that are so sick and so evil. they are a threat to democracy. i'm glad i got that out.>> quite clearly, trumps authoritarian rhetoric is not a mistake, it is his sales pitch, and kamala harris a strategy is to use trumps sales pitch against him, today the wall street journal reports that harris has told her campaign staff that with less than three weeks, she wants to turn trumps words back on him, that strategy was on display last night at harris's rally in erie, pennsylvania where harris spent a portion of her speech playing his enemy from within comments for the crowd on the

jumbotron. harris isn't just using trumps words to rally up her base, she is also using them to reach across the aisle, over the past few weeks, harris has made a concerted effort to hold events with current and former republicans using trumps authoritarian sales pitch to show people the kind of person -- to show the kind of person that trump is not just another republican. but something else. something much more dangerous. here is harris at one of those events today in pennsylvania.>> let us be clear about what he is saying. she considers any american who doesn't support him, or bend to his will, to be an enemy to our country, and further, he says as commander in chief, he would use our military to go after

them, honestly, let that sink in. use of the american military to go after american citizens point >> tonight, vice president harris went on fox to deliver her message to that network's decidedly conservative audience, throughout the entirety of that interview, fox repeatedly interrupted the vice president and cut her off and grilled her, giving her essentially the exact opposite of the treatment trump got from the crowd at his fox town hall this morning. at one point in the interview, trump's comments came up and is if you were trying to fact check, they played a clip of trump from today's town hall, the clip that made it seem like trump had disavowed and clarified his comments. the clip that notably included

none of the footage we have played for you so far, a clip that the omitted trump doubling down on his authoritarian rhetoric. well, kamala harris wasn't having any of it. >> the enemy within, talking about the american people, suggesting he would turn the american military on the american people. >> he asked that question to the former president today at a town hall and this is how he responded. >> i heard about that, they were saying i was threatening, i'm not threatening anybody, they are the ones doing the threatening, they do phony investigations, i have been investigated more than al capone, it is true, this weapons and asian -- weaponization of government is a terrible thing.>> with all due respect, that clip was not what he has been saying about the enemy within, that he has

repeated, what he is speaking about the american people, that is not what he just showed. in all fairness and respect to you. here's the bottom line, he has repeated it many times and you and i both know that and you and i both know that he has talked about turning the american military on the american people, he has talked about going after people who are engaged in peaceful protest. he has talked about locking people up because they disagree with him, this is a democracy and in a democracy, the president of the united states, in the united states of america should be willing to be able to handle criticism without saying he would lock people up for doing it. and this is what is at stake, which is why you have someone like the former chairman of the joint chief of staff saying what mark has said about donald trump being a threat to the united states of america.

>> let me ask you this, vice president, you called donald trump -- >> joining us now, sarah matthews, deputy secretary for the trump administration before resigning, she joined the harris campaign this week. thank you both for joining me, i'm so eager to get your perspective on everything that has transpired today. i would love to get your thoughts, first on this exchange with bret baier, i have not seen the vice president that angry and that incensed in an interview maybe this entire election cycle. i wonder if you think her comments breakthrough, with a very republicans she may be trying to target and going on fox in the first place.>> well, i hope so because fox doesn't

have republicans on very often, they certainly don't have me or republicans like liz cheney or adam kissinger, because if they do, invite people like that, they get attacked by donald trump and bret baier himself has gotten attacked so much that the morning after the election, i believe it was the morning after, bret baier was shown in emails during the whole lawsuit that they had, he was one of the ones that was arguing, maybe we should pull back the call on arizona, can we do that, because they were getting so much blowback from their audience and attacks from trump. this is what happens, fox gets attacked, trump believes everybody and he knows darn well that trump has bullied and attacked people and made exactly the kind of threats that the vice president talked

about today at the rally that i attended and his own people, the reason donald trump is not supported by the dozens and dozens of people who work for him, people like mark esper, people like mark milley, people like jim mattis, all of those national security people, they know he made these outrageous statements, you know mark esper has been on other networks, not on fox, making the same case that the vice president is making. and bret baier will be showing those things, i dare fox news and bret baier to have mark esper, to have people like me, like sarah matthews and liz cheney, but they won't because they will get beat up by donald trump, who they gave all that free airtime two.>> you know, i

do wonder, there's such a clear reality versus parallel reality and facts versus paranoia sort of divide in american culture right now, the editing that you saw in that, bret baier plays his version of what trump said about the enemy within, which does include trump doubling down on this notion, then there is what trump actually said in that town hall which is doubling down on the notion of an enemy within. i wonder what you think, if an exchange like that is enough to pierce the secrecy or the veil of partisanship that is often the bubble that these potential nikki haley supporters live in, who watch fox news, that kamala harris is trying to appeal to,

do you think this makes a difference? >> i think it makes a huge difference, it is really important that kamala harris went into the lions den and she knew this was going to be a tough interview and it might not necessarily be fair with the deceptive entity from that they are which him and his team should be ashamed of in my opinion, but she was right to call him out and i thought that was a really powerful moment, for those in the fox news audience who are watching who might not have been familiar with these remarks, they might have saw her push back on this and they might have thought to themselves, what am i not being shown? and maybe they saw the remarks for themselves and saw him double down on it, so that is why i think it was so important for her to go make the case on a network that might not necessarily be friendly to her but i thought she did a fantastic job. did some of her answers, maybe

they were not 100% her best but i thought that moment in particular where she called out bret baier with deceptive editing was really powerful. >> and i want to follow-up with you for a second, there is a phenomenon we are seeing from people who are prominent trump critics, they are finally making the jump to actually endorsing kamala harris, i know you endorsed the vice president this weekend i wonder if you can talk to me a little bit about the decision-making process, why now, and if you're trying to imagine being in the shoes of those nikki haley voters or on the fence voters, what do you think the calculation is at this stage in the game? >> i had actually previously endorsed president biden when he was still in the race and had endorsed vp harris shortly after she entered the race, but i have been a little more vocal about it as of late because right now this is the time when people are tuning into the election, people are tuning in 20 days out and for those undecided who might be on the

fence, those disaffected republicans, i think it is really important for them to seek republican voices out there saying enough is enough and we need to turn the page on donald trump and to say it's okay to put policy aside in this one election and cast a ballot for kamala harris because i have never voted for a democrat a day in my life but i think that right now in this moment i'm prioritizing the constitution and character. so i'm willing to say we might not agree on everything on the agenda but i think that she is someone who will uphold the constitution. i think she is someone that our children will look up to and aspire to be like. i don't think anyone would hope that their children looks up to donald trump and would emulate his behavior. i'm hopeful this message will resonate with those republicans or independents who might be on the fence who are thinking about sitting this election out , that it is okay to cross the

party line and to vote for a democrat because i think that enough is enough with donald trump and we are sick of the chaos that he brings.>> what is it like, you are at these events with vice president harris and there are a handful of republicans on the stage with you and i wonder if you could tell us what that experience is like because i would imagine on one hand it is probably cathartic but, given the rhetoric coming from trump about punishing enemies and enemies with within, is there a certain amount of fear as well? what is the experience like for you as you campaign for a democratic president? >> that is one of the reasons that i did endorse because you have great people like sarah matthews and cassidy hutchinson, a young woman who stood up and had the courage, a lot of these people are young women, people like liz cheney, so i wanted to -- previously i

wrote in, but this time i was sick of the bullying and i wanted to stand up and have my voice because donald trump tries to bully people into being afraid, and i know a lot of people are afraid but i didn't want to be and i wanted to tell a lot of people out there who are afraid, maybe you are afraid but you can still, the ballot box is secret and you can go in and you can vote and he is terrorizing people like election workers, and here in pennsylvania, i'm doing an event tonight but in pennsylvania, the secretary of state was one of the people who had to have people protecting him in his home in the 2020 election because donald trump was sending out tweets and we know that happened in georgia and arizona. and i'm on the national council of election integrity and we

have to protect our election workers, so i think a lot of us who are standing up, we are using our voices because we know there are other people like election workers and others who aren't as well known and we need to stand up and use our voices to protect them and it is important that they know there are those of us out there who know how hard it is on them and they deserve that kind of respect for the good work they are doing to protect democracy.>> former trump white house staff, sarah matthews and barbara comstock , doing the brave thing in the closing hours of the election, thank you for your time tonight. still ahead this evening, donald trump often says he is a big fan of elon musk, this week he got 75 million more reasons to be a devotee and they are all in dollar signs. but first, have you heard,

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hall by fox news, a voter posed this question to donald trump.>> why is the government involved in women's basic rights?>> i'm glad you asked that.>> and to this same room full of women, trump boasted about the supreme court overturning roe falsely claiming that everybody wanted state governments in charge of women's decisions.>> really the courage of six supreme court justices were able to do this after years of turmoil, the democrats, the republicans, the liberals and conservatives, they want it brought out of the federal government and brought back to the states for a vote of the people and like ronald reagan, i believe in the exceptions for incest and rape and life of the mother. some are too tough and those are going to be redone.>>

joining me now is the co-host of the strict scrutiny podcast, and author of the forthcoming book, unbearable: being pregnant in america. there are no two better people to discuss this with. trump said some of these restrictions are too tough, they are going to be redone. to me, that sounds like a donald trump is out there supporting ballot initiatives, to maybe curb or claw back some reproductive rights at the state level, something that literally the whole republican party is organized against including in the state of florida where donald trump lives, they are literally trying to make it harder for the voters to redo really draconian abortion laws. >> let's step back, a town hall full of women, is that even legal now, but again, for

donald trump to go on tv and say that these restrictions are too tough, they are going to be redone, whether it is the ballot initiatives or something else, one of his major donors, the illinois billionaire who just funneled a ton of money into donald trump's campaign, that is the technical turn, and some other large donors, they funded a massive pack for trump, he is one of the individuals who donated again another slush fund to overturning the ohio effort to enshrine a right to abortion on the states constitution last summer. so again, these are the same people, these are the people who are apparently in favor of the ballot initiatives, i don't think so and particularly, even if we were to put this in state legislatures, these are the same state legislatures that the donald trump supreme court have allowed to be so completely gerrymandered that even if the people wanted more

liberalized abortion regimes, they couldn't get it because the state legislatures are gerrymandered beyond belief.>> it is such a data point in the broader conservative effort to rewrite recent history in real time, like this idea, he says this all the time on the campaign trail, everybody wanted it returned to the states, who is everybody? >> also, who cares about the process because republicans don't actually care about this as a states rights issue, if they did, they would put it in the platform for the republican national convention. and they would not have appointed justices who are probably going to uphold the 14th amendment argument if given the chance and we know that if donald trump wins again, he would probably have the opportunity to replace more justices and bring before them arguments, if he says over and over again, i don't want a

national ban, first of all we all know they want a national ban . they can use the concept, it is written brilliantly, but also nobody on either side of this ever actually cared about whether it was a state right, if you believe it is murder, the process by which we get there is beside the point, it was always for broader ideological differences and now we are seeing that people are having to travel and move to the united states where they have these exceptions, the emptiness of the states rights argument.>> i do wonder when you talk about the notion of how hard-core donald trump is going to be, he protects himself in the shield of this rhetoric, like some of this is too extreme, this is the will of the people, some part of that is working. if you look at the polling on an issue that should be clear as day, this is somebody saying i'm happy to see that six

supreme court justices overturned roe and yet, this is going back to may , 30% of voters don't know whether it is trump or biden that deserves blame for the ending of roe. and a poll in september this year, 75% of women think trump would sign an abortion ban , 46% thought it was very likely and 28% thought it was somewhat likely, this is a third of the country that do not believe this man has an extreme position on abortion.>> yes, we are slouching toward 30% of the country not seeming to mind but the rest of the country seems to understand what is going on and the key here is how can you persuade other people that it is go time, the frog is being boiled in the pot, we don't get another chance after this. the movement has been very clear about it, they have

accelerated their calls after dobbs, dobbs was just the beginning. this was never going to be a state-by-state settlement, but if you believe abortion is a species of murder, you can't be okay with california doing it. it ends with fetal personhood and if the fetus is a person than the person carrying the fetus is an incubator and her rights can be subordinated and they will be and we are already seeing that, there are efforts in many of the states to use existing laws like wrongful death statute's to go after people who have helped with abortions, whether it is medication or something else. again, wrongful death is a regime available for the death of the person, when you simply sue somebody for wrongful death, you are basically saying they killed a person and that person was a fetus.>> and part of those numbers is that they are intentionally confusing and dare i say it lying about what

they believe. you saw this in the vice presidential debate, where jd vance was talking about winning back trust and so on, i saw an interview with him today, so he was asking about his view for a national abortion ban , there was a clip where he said i would still like abortion to be illegal nationwide, so if people are confused, it is because they are saying totally different things.>> to extend your point, the logical conclusion, it means that all manner of reproductive choice is off the table.>> we are already seeing, there are women in blue states like california who have a cesarean section and they want to get their tubes tied and they can't, so they get sewn up and sent to another hospital and they have it, so we are already living in a world of constrained reproductive choice, it will

only get worse, and for everyone.>> and that is at a catholic hospital, donald trump today saying i'm the father of ivf. >> i think he meant i'm the father of ivanka. of ivanka >> and what they would say is that they want to protect religious freedom and what does that actually mean? we are talking about where we already see denial of care at catholic hospitals, they have their own really flimsy ivf

bill, but again, if we are talking about the consistency of their beliefs, if you believe the embryo has the 14th amendment right to life, then protecting the embryos follows from that logical conclusion and i want to go back to this creepy quote because it reminds me how trump said he is the protector of women and how you will be healthy, happy and free and you won't have to worry about abortion anymore. i mean, it is menacing, it is paternalistic and patriarchal. so, for the same reason they would like to control the bodies of people who are pregnant, they would also like to control who gets to decide what happens to that embryo when it gets created because it provides people more choice over their lives but who needs choice when you have daddy?>> that is chilling, especially the reference of donald trump

as daddy. we are going to leave it there because i'm too scared to go on. thank you so much for adding a lot of wisdom to a conversation that donald trump seems to have. coming up, donald trump and elon musk, and his extraordinary efforts to put trump back in the white house, trump has outsourced the grassroots of his critical battleground states by the richest man in the world, we have the new details on how that is going and we are going to discuss it with the chair of the wisconsin democratic party, that is coming up next, stay with us. with us.

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>> his name is elon musk, he saved free speech, he created so many different great things. i want to say thank you to elon musk because he did us a big favor. he endorsed me, he gave me the greatest endorsement.>> i'm a big fan of elon musk who endorsed us. elon is great. >> that is just from the past two weeks, in the closing days

of the selection, donald trump has gone out of his way in almost embarrassing fashion, to praise on tech billionaire, elon musk, today he prattle on about elon musk for so long that fox news had to cut him off to go to commercial break.>> you know what i like about him, he endorsed me, he gave me the biggest, you know, i mean look, he is a respected guy, when you can see that guy take that rocket yesterday and have that sucker come back to his face all burned up, i said why do you do that, he said because i don't want to build another one.>> we have to go, we will be right back after this break.>> now we are getting a clear picture, newly released findings from the federal election commission show that elon musk has put $75 million of his own money into his america pack, that is a super packed created by elon musk to support donald trump, the trump campaign has

outsourced most of their get out and vote operation to the america packed which means elon musk is in charge of trump campaign's ground game in key battleground states. and new reporting suggest that the tesla guys multimillion dollar operation might not be that effective, the washington post reports that his characteristically erratic leadership styles including towering demands and sudden firings has at times impeded his political project, potentially limiting its effectiveness in the final stretch of the presidential race. in july, america pac fired two of its initial vendors as they were ramping up their work, leading the committee to start over just months before the election. a few weeks later, the committee fired another vendor that had been brought on to

lead canvassing efforts in arizona and nevada after the initial round of firings, said another person familiar with the decisions. and a woman told the post that she was fired by one of america pac spenders, only to be quickly rehired by another america pac vendor in wisconsin and georgia. at the same time, rolling stones reports that inside the trump operation are starting to sound the alarm about elon musk's operation. some say they are seeing a relatively small get out and vote presence on the ground despite the super pac's response, and it still appears to be building its field operation, multiple of other consultants have pointed out in recent days that america pac still had open postings for canvassers on its website. in addition to all of that, the guardian reports that the door knocker's are relying on a canvassing act that frequently

crashes and does not work in areas where there is no strong internet connection. it kind of seems like putting a self-important billionaire without any actual campaign experience in charge of your voter outreach, maybe isn't the best way to run a high-stakes presidential campaign. in just a second i will talk to someone with a lot of experience on the democratic side, about how this race is shaping up on the ground and what we can expect to see from both campaigns in these critical last few weeks. that's next. that's next.

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♪♪ >> donald trump's choice to outsource his get out to vote operation to elon musk means trump gets access to his millions but that cash also comes with, shall we say, unorthodox methods of running a get out to vote operation, the guardian reports that an app used by the trump campaign and the america pac to track efforts to reach rural voters, that app keeps crashing in those rural areas where internet service is often slow. as a result, the trump campaign and america pac have little way to know whether canvassers are actually knocking on doors or whether they are cheating because remember, they are getting paid to do this work, by elon musk.

one said maybe elon musk can give it starlink, which is a joke about the internet router but it might not be a bad idea. joining me is ben wikler, chair of the wisconsin democratic party, we need somebody that really understands how you build a robust field operation and what it means to have paid canvassers and apps that don't work. that person is you. i want to review this quote from the washington post, some of his early advisers in the super pac warned musk was trying to move too fast for such an ambitious political project, musk declined to dilute his ambitions, appearing to believe that if we just run out there with clipboards and tell people what is at stake, they will be convinced. what alarms you most about the details we are learning about the musk operation here?>> i will be totally honest, i'm

delighted about learning about the details because these efforts are trying to elect someone who would be a terrible president, so the fact that it is a total disorganized dumpster fire on the ground game is good news for democracy , it is good news for any working family that doesn't want to be slapped with a $4000 tax because they are not going to be able to turn out those last two voters that could tip the election that is basically tied in states like wisconsin. . >> let me through what an effective field operation looks like. >> tonight i was in grant county in southwestern wisconsin. there were 25,000 voters on the 2020 election. in grant county, we've been organizing going back to the 2027. the chair before me launched organizing programs. we've been building out a team

of volunteers that knows every inch of that county. we have local folks who have been going door to door building relationships with their neighbors. some of them use papers and clipboard and others have been many fan app on your phone when you sync with internet access. it takes time. a lot of the volunteers doing this are older folks were not met with the technology or new volunteers. going up to a stranger and talk to them about puck tips may be scary. you build the strength and the practice. you do it in a local election and do it in the big presidential election and you get better and better. none of that is happening in the elon musk america pac operation. the field operation will not turn a close race into a landslide but give you that

extra half a point. that's where having glitch after glitch within untested operation is getting into a tesla the supposed to drive itself and slams into the wall. this is not what you want the new presidential campaign. >> talk to me about -- i'm interested and delivered the point in terms of the margins. this could be the difference maker. this could be the difference in the white house with donald trump or kamala harris. these volunteers hired by elon musk and are still being hired less than three weeks to go, what does it tell you about the quality of the argument they will be making two those low voters who are the target of the trump campaign in terms of winning the race. >> it's not just the number of doors do not but the quality of conversation you have. your ability to engage, listen

and speak to the issues people care about. if folks who are watching who feel strongly about this, you can get involved. when you volunteer, you will know what issues kamala harris stands for and practice the script. you will walk people through the process of a plan to vote. if you're hiring people really really who don't support your candidate and sending them out, they will not do a good job of hitting the points that moves the votes. having a commitment to generate victory is critical in the final stretch. all of wisconsin, i'm hearing from people are getting door hangers on their doors but the america pac canvassers are not knocking on the door and talking to people. the trying to cross that house off the list.

there's a difference between leaving something on someone's doorstep and having a face-to- face conversation about the issues they care about. that's why we work so hard to build a field operation that builds authentic relationships with voters and treats them with respect instead of treating them as a paycheck. i wish the best of luck to the folks on the payroll at america pac. feel free to speak from your heart if you think harris will be a better presidential candidate. >> encouraging all of america pac volunteers or paid staff to leave the brochures at the door steps and no bother talking. thank you. it's great to hear from you. >> thank you. coming up, we will show you one of the most forceful arguments that the harris campaign is making. donald trump's immigration policy. you don't want to miss this. stay with us. a prot

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ahead of donald trump's innovation town hall which starts momentarily, the harris campaign held a press conference in miami. featuring families torn apart by trump's family separation policy. children, some as young as six when they were taken from their parents stood on boxes to reach the microphones. >> i was seven and my brother was five. they got us and took us to this

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