the last thing before we go tonight makes me smile. former president jimmy carter votes. according to his family there was one thing carter was looking forward to, even more than turning 100 years old. that was casting a vote for harris as president. today he cast a early pallet in a drop box near his hometown. the longest living president still making his voice heard. on that note i wish you a good night. from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc, thank you for staying up late with us. i will see you at the end of tomorrow. today, trump and harris

each had their own specials on fox news. trumps was a town hall with women voters in georgia. harris sat down with fox anchor brett. these specials could not have been more different. the trump town hall was filled with a sympathetic audience. to give you a sense, here was the tone of the audience based q and a. >> the middle class continues to struggle under the biden harris administration, could you outline your plans to revitalize the economy again? >> furthering the discussion among immigrant crime -- >> i would like to ask that you work to the woke our military that you -- >> it was a friendly crowd on

fox news, who could have guessed? if you are not by a tv during the town hall you did not miss much. trump said some outrageous things about abortion, things we will dig into but for the most part this was not appointment television except for one moment. there was one moment where trump was presented with his own words and given a pretty big offramp to downplay or clarify some of the most authoritarian stuff he ever said but instead of taking the offramp here is what happened. >> i want to take a look at what you said, let's watch it. >> if we have to. >> we have two enemies, the outside enemy and the enemy from within and the enemy

within in my opinion is more dangerous than china, russia because if you have a smart president he can handle them easily. the thing that is tougher to handle is the lunatics we have inside. like adam schiff. >> harris said you sounded unhinged and unchecked power was in our future. >> i thought it was a nice presentation. >> a nice presentation of explicit fascism but you would not know it from the laughter in the fox audience. trump did not stop there, he doubled down. >> it is the enemy from within, they are dangerous, they are marxist, communists and fascists. we have china and russia and all of these countries, if you have a smart president they can be handled, the more difficult

are these people, they are so sick and evil. they are a threat to democracy. i am glad i got that out. >> glad i got that out. clearly trumps authoritarian rhetoric is not a mistake, it is his sales pitch and the vice president's strategy is to use trumps sales pitch against him. today the wall street journal reports harris told her campaign staff that with less than three weeks to go she wants to turn trumps own words back on him. that strategy was on display at her rally in pennsylvania where harris spent a portion of her speech playing trumps enemy from within comments for the crowd. harris is not just using trumps words to while up her base, she is also using them to reach across the aisle. in the past few weeks harris has made a effort to hold

events with current and former republicans using trumps authoritarian sales pitch to show the kind of person who may have been a nikki haley voter a year ago that trump is not just another republican but something else, something more dangerous. here was harris at one of those events today in pennsylvania. >> let us be clear about what he is saying. he considers any american who does not support him or bend to his will to be a enemy to our country. further, he says as commander in chief he would use our military to go after them. let that sink in. use of the american military?

to go after american citizens? >> tonight harris went on fox to deliver her message to that networks decidedly conservative audience, throughout the entirety of the interview, the fox host repeatedly interrupted the vice president and cut her off, giving her essentially the exact opposite of the treatment trump got from his fox town hall this morning. at one point trumps comments came up and as if he was trying to fact check your, he played a clip from the town hall, a clip that made it seem like he disavowed and clarified his comments. a clip that totally omitted trump doubling down on his authoritarian rhetoric.

harris was not having any of it. >> the enemy within, talking about the american people, suggesting he would turn the american military on the american people. >> we asked the question to the former president today and this is how he responded. >> they were saying i was threatening, they are the ones doing the threatening, they do phony investigations, i have been investigated more than alphonse capone. the weaponization of government is a terrible thing. >> i am sorry, with all due respect that clip was not what he has been saying about the enemy within a what he repeated, that is not what you just showed. in all fairness and respect to you, you did not show that.

he has repeated it many times and you and i both know that and you and i both know he has talked about turning the american military on the american people. he has talked about going after people engaged in peaceful protest, he talked about locking people up because they disagree with him. this is a democracy and in a democracy, the president should be willing to be able to handle criticism without saying he would lock people up for doing it. this is what is at stake which is why you have somebody like the former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff saying what mark millie has said about trump being a threat to the united states of america. >> he is quoted in the book that way, yes. let me ask you this. >> joining us now is sarah

matthews, who served as deputy press secretary in the trump administration before resigning. she endorsed harris this week. also joining me, barbara who endorsed harris and appeared on stage alongside her in pennsylvania today. thank you for joining me. i am eager to get your perspective on everything that transpired today. i would love to get your thoughts. first on this exchange with brett. >> i have not seen the vice president angry in a interview this entire election cycle and i wonder if you think her comments break through with the very republicans she may be trying to target while going on fox in the first place. >> i hope so, fox does not have republicans on very often, they certainly do not have me or republicans like liz cheney or

adam and i do not imagine they invite sarah on anymore. if they do they get attacked by donald trump and brett himself got attacked by trump so much that the morning after the election, i believe it was the morning after the election, brett was shown in emails during the lawsuit they had, he was one of the ones arguing, maybe we should pull back to call on arizona, can we do that? they were getting so much blowback from the audience and attacks from trump. this is what happens. fox gets attacked, trump bullies everybody and he knows darn well that trump has bullied and attacked people and made exactly the kind of threats that the vice president talked about today at the rally i attended and his own people, the reason donald trump is not supported by the dozens and

dozens of people that worked for him like mark esper, dan combs, mark millie, jim mattis, all of the national security people, they know he made these kinds of outrageous statements. mark esper has been on other networks not on fox, making that same case the vice president is making and brett will not be showing those kinds of things on air. i dare fox news and brett to have mark esper or people like me or sarah matthews and liz cheney and adam on their but they will not do it because they will get beat up by trump who they give all that free airtime to. >> as a comms person, i do wonder, there is a clear earth 1 earth 2 reality, fax versus

paranoia divide in american culture right now. the editing that you saw, brett place his version of what trump said about the enemy within which does not include trump doubling down on the notion and then there was what he actually said in the town hall. i just wonder whether you think a exchange like that is enough to pierce the veil of secrecy or partisanship that is often the bubble that these potential nikki haley supporters live in, that watch fox news that the persuadable republicans still exist and that harris is trying to appeal to. do you think this makes a difference? >> i think it makes a huge difference, it is important that harris went into the lions den and she knew this was going

to be a tough interview and it may not necessarily be fair like you pointed out with the deceptive editing which brett and his team should be ashamed of. she was right to call him out and i thought that was a powerful moment so for those in the audience watching who might not have been familiar with the remarks, they may have saw her push back on this and they may have thought what am i not being shown and maybe they went home and googled it and saw the remarks for themselves. so i think it was important for her to go make the case on a network that might not necessarily be friendly to her that i thought she did a fantastic job. some of her answers were not 100% her best but i thought that moment in particular where she called out brett with the deceptive editing with powerful. >> i want to follow up with you sarah, there is a phenomenon we

are seeing from people that are trump critics, they are finally making the jump to endorsing harris. i know you endorsed the vice president this week, i wonder if you can talk to me and the audience a little bit about the decision-making process. why now? if you can imagine being in the shoes of the nikki haley voters were on the fence republicans harris is trying to appeal to, what do you think the calculation is at this stage in the game? >> i previously endorsed biden when he was in the race and endorsed harris shortly after she entered the race but i have been more vocal about it as of late because now, this is the time people are tuning into the election. people are tuning in 20 days out, for those undecideds on the fence that harris is trying to appeal to come it is important for them to see

republican voices saying enough is enough and to say it is okay to put policy aside in this one election and cast a ballot for harris. i never voted for it democrat in my life but i think at this moment i am prioritizing the constitution and character so i am willing to say we may not agree on everything and the vps agenda but i think she will uphold the constitution, she is someone our children will look up to and aspire to be like. i do not think anyone would hope their children looks up to trump and emulate his behavior. i am hopeful this message will resonate with some republicans or independents that may be on the fence who are thinking about sitting the selection out, it is okay to cross the party line and vote for a democrat. i think enough is enough with trump and we are sick of the division and chaos he brings.

>> you are at these events with harris and there are a handful of republicans on stage with you. i wonder if you can tell us what that experience is like. i imagine, on one hand it is probably cathartic given the rhetoric coming from trump about punishing enemies and enemies from within, is there a certain amount of fear as well? what is the experience like at you campaign for a democratic candidate for president? >> that is one of the reasons i did endorse her. you have brave people like sarah matthews and cassidy, young women who stood up, a lot of them are young women, people like liz cheney and friends like adam. previously i wrote in in 2016 and 2020, i did not vote for trump either time but this time i was sick of the bullying and wanted to stand up and add my

voice. trump tries to bully people into being afraid. i know a lot of people are afraid but i did not want to be and i wanted to tell a lot of people out there that are afraid, maybe you are afraid but the ballot box is secret and you can go in there and vote and he is terrorizing people like election workers. here in pennsylvania i am doing a event tonight, the secretary of state was one of the people that had to have people protecting him in his home in the 2020 election because trump was making attacks and sending out tweets and we note that happened in georgia and arizona as well. i am on the national council of election integrity and we have to protect our election workers so i think a lot of us who are standing up and using our

voices are because we know there are other people like election workers and others that are not as well-known and we need to stand up and use our voices to protect them and it is important that they know that there are those of us out there that know how hard it is on them and it is are the kind of respect for the work they are doing to protect democracy. >> former trump white house staffer sarah matthews and former republican congresswoman barbara doing the breathing in the closing hours of the election. thank you for your time tonight. it was great having you on the show. still ahead this evening, trump often says he is a big fan of elon musk, this week he got 75 million more reasons to be a devotee and they are all dollar signs. first, have you heard? trump is the father of ivf. that is what he told a room full of women this morning

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today at a all-female town hall hosted by fox, a voter post this question to trump. >> why is the government involved in women's basic rights ? >> then to the same room, trump boasted about the supreme court

overturning roe v wade. >> through the courage of six justices we were able to do this after years of turmoil, the democrats, republicans, liberals and conservatives, they wanted it brought out of the federal government and brought back to the states and like ronald reagan i believe in the exceptions. some of my group are to toughen those will be redone. >> joining me now are melissa, the nyu law professor and erin, a senior correspondent of new york magazine and a author of a forthcoming book. there are no two better people were qualified to discuss this town hall. trump says some of the restrictions are too tough, they will be redone. to me that sounds like trump is

out there supporting ballot initiatives to clawback reproductive rights at the state level, something the entire party is organized against including in the state of florida where trump lives. they're trying to make it harder for the voters to redo coney and abortion laws. >> a townhall filled with women, does the justice know? is that allowed? we will find out, for trump to go on tv and safety restrictions are too tough and they will be redone, one of his major donors, richard, the illinois billionaire that funneled a ton of money into trump's campaign, that is the technical term, a ton of money, they funded a massive pack for

trump, he is one of the individuals who donated again another slush fund to overturning the ohio effort to enshrine a right to abortion on that state constitution last summer. so again these are the same people, the people that are in favor of the ballot initiatives? i do not think so. even if we were to put this in state legislatures, they are the same legislatures that the supreme court allowed to be so gerrymandered that even if the people in the states wanted more liberalized abortion regimes, they could not get it because the legislatures are gerrymandered beyond belief. >> it is such a data point in the broader effort to rewrite recent history in real time. he says this all of the time on the campaign trail. everybody wanted it returned to the states, who? >> who cares about the process here, we know republicans do

not care about this as a states right issue. if they did, they would not have put it in their platform for the convention and they would not have appointed justices with a wink and a nod, they will probably uphold the 14th amendment argument. we know if trump is victorious he will have the opportunity to replace more justices and bring before the arguments. if he says over and over again i do not want a national ban, first we all know they want a national ban.. also nobody on either side of this actually cared if it was a state right, if you believe it is murder or if you believe in women's dominion over their body, the process by which we get there was always a

believable ideological differences. now we are seeing people are having to travel and even within the states with exceptions him at the emptiness of the states rights argument. >> i do wonder, trump protects himself with a shield of this rhetoric, some of this is extreme and i am just doing what everybody wanted. some part of that is working. look at the polling, this is clear as day. some individuals are happy with the six justices and yet 30% of voters do not know if it is trump or biden who deserves blaine for roe v wade. a poll in september of this year, 75% of women think trump

will sign a abortion ban, 46% thought it was likely and 28% thought it was somewhat likely. this is a third of the country that does not believe this man has a extreme position on abortion. >> 30% of the country does not seem to mind but the rest of the country seems to understand what is going on, the key here is how can you persuade people that it is go time. the frog is being boiled in the pot and we do not get another chance. the pro-rights movement is clear about it, they accelerated their call after dobbs, dobbs was just the beginning. if you believe abortion is a species of murder, you cannot be okay with california doing it. if the fetus is a person than the person carrying the fetus is a incubator and her rights

can be subordinated and we are already seeing that. there are efforts in many states to use existing laws like wrongful death statute to go after people that help with abortions whether it is vacation or something else. wrongful death is a legal regime available for the death of a person. if you sue somebody for wrongful death you are saying they killed a person and that person was a fetus. >> part of those numbers is they are intentionally confusing and there i say lying about what they believe. you also saw this in the debate, where jd vance said we need to get back trust. somebody was asking about a national abortion ban, he said show me a clip where i said it. if people are confused it is because they are saying different things at different points even in the specific

interviews like the one today with trump. >> to your point, it also means that all manner of reproductive choice is off the table. >> we are already seeing this, there are women in blue states like california that had a c- section and then want to get there to ties because they are at a catholic hospital, they get sewn up and they are sent to another hospital and then they get it. we are already living in a world of restraint reproductive choice. >> that is at a catholic hospital. trump today saying i am the father of ivf. he has to have it explained to him later. >> call him daddy, you got it on there. >> republicans have voted two

times in four months that would block bills that would protect ivf. if you want to see how extreme the republican party is getting on women controlling their bodies, look no further than elected republicans in the congress. >> they are saying they want to protect religious freedom, it means denying care at hospitals. they put forth their own flimsy ivf bill and point to that. if we are talking about the consistency of their beliefs, if you believe the embryo has the right to life just like a person walking this earth, then protecting the embryos follows from that logical conclusion. i want to go back to the i am the father of ivf quote, it reminds me of when he said he

is the sector of women and you will not have to worry about portion more. >> it sounded better in the original german to be honest. >> it is menacing and patriarchal. for the same reason they would like to control the bodies of people that are pregnant, they also want to control who gets to decide what happens to that embryo because it provides people more choice over their lives who needs choice when you have daddy? >> that is chilling. we will leave it there because i am too scared to go on. thank you guys so much for adding a lot of wisdom to the conversation. coming up, trump continues to fan boy on elon musk and elon musk's extraordinary efforts to put trump back in the white house.

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things. i want to thank a man named elon musk. i called him up and he adores me, he gave me the greatest endorsement. i am a big fan of elon who endorsed us, you know that. elon is great. >> all of that fanning out is just from the past two weeks. in the closing days of the election trump has gone out of his way in almost embarrassing fashion to heap praise on tech billionaire elon musk. today trump rattled on about elon musk for so long that fox had to cut him off to go to a commercial break. >> elon did a great service, do you know what i like about him? he endorsed us. he is a respectful guy.

when you can see a guy put that rocket out in space and bring it back -- >> we have to go we will be back after this commercial break. >> newly released filings from the fcc, shows elon musk has put 75 million of his own money into his america pack, a super pac created by musk to explicitly support trump. the trump campaign has reportedly outsourced most of its get out to vote operation to america pack which means elon musk is in charge of the trump campaigns ground game in key battleground states and the reporting suggests that tesla guys multimillion dollar operation may not be effective. the washington post reports musk's erratic leadership style

including towering demands and sudden firings sometimes impeded his project limiting its effectiveness in the final stretch of the presidential race. they fired two of their initial vendors as they were ramping up their work leaving the committee to start over months before the election. a few weeks later the super pac fired another vendor after another initial round of firings. one woman hired to knock on doors told the post she was fired by one of america packs vendors only to be quickly rehired by another american pack vendor in wisconsin and georgia. at the same time as this is happening, rolling stone reports people inside the trump operation are starting to sound the alarm about elon musk's operation. some say they are seeing a

relatively small get out and vote present on the ground despite the super pacs massive spending. some concerns revolve around the fact that the super pac still appears to be rebuilding the field operation. multiple consultants and make a donors pointed out that america pack still had open postings for canvassers on the website. in addition to all of that, the guardian reports that america packs door knockers are relying on a canvassing application that frequently crashes and does not work in areas where there is no strong internet connection. it kind of seems like putting a self-important billionaire without any campaign experience in charge of your voter outreach maybe is not the best way to run a high-stakes presidential campaign. in just a second i will talk to someone with a lot of experience

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the guardian reports that an app used by the trump campaign and the mosque back america pac to track paid canvassers efforts to reach rural voters, that app keeps crashing in those very rural areas where internet service is often slow. as a result, the trump campaign and america pac then have little way to know whether canvassers are actually knocking on doors or whether they are cheating, because remember, they are getting paid to do this work. by elon musk. one political operative involved with the pack said maybe elon musk can give his canvassers a star link. which is a joke about mosques satellite-based mobile internet router, but actually, might not be a bad idea. joining me now is ben winkler, chair of the democratic party of wisconsin. ben, thank you for being here. i said we need someone that really understands how you build a robust field operation, and what it means to have paid canvassers and apps that don't work. i want to read the, that person is you. i want to review this quote from the washington post.

some of his early advisers on the sewer pac warned elon musk he was trying to move too fast for such an ambitious political project, cautioning that it would require months more to properly hire and train the necessary staff. musk declined to dilute his ambitions, appearing to believe that if we just run out there with the boards and tell people what the steak, they will be convinced. what alarms you most about the details we're learning about the musk operation here, then? >> i'll be totally honest, i'm delighted by many of these details about the musk operation, because these efforts are all to elect someone who would be a terrible, terrible president. the fact that in a total disorganized dumpster fire of a ground game on the republican side is good news for democracy. it's good news for freedom, it's good news for any working family that is a want to be slapped with a $400,000 trump task because they're not going to be able to turn out those last few voters that could tip an election that is basically tied in states like wisconsin.

>> to be very elementary about it, walk me through what an effective field operation looks like, and what we're hearing about here. >> absolutely. i'll say tonight, i was in grant county in southwestern wisconsin, there were 25,000 voters in the 2020 election, and we've been organizing continuously going back to the spring of 2017 that the chair before me launched organizing programs, i worked to scale it up, that knows every inch of that county, every inch of, all over that county. we have local folks who've been going door-to-door, building relationships with their neighbors, they some of them use paper and clipboards, others have the minivan app on their phones which allows you to sync when you do have internet access and save the data when you don't have internet access, so it doesn't crush the way apparently the

republican app does, it takes time. a lot of the volunteers were doing this are older folks were not familiar with technology or new volunteers for whom the idea of going to a stranger or talking to them about politics can be scary, so you want to go the first time with someone who's done this before. but you build the strength, you build the practice, especially in a local election and then in the big presidential election, you get better and better at it. none of that is happening in the elon musk america pac operation. the field operation, it's not going to turn a close race into a landslide but it can give you that extra half point that is what tips and election in the state like wisconsin, that's where having glitch after glitch with an untested operation is like getting into a tesla that's supposed to drive it off and then slammed into the wall of the parking garage. this is not what you want to see in a presidential campaign. >> that's a very apt metaphor. talk to me about, i'm very interested, i belabor the point because i agree with you, in

terms of the margins which is what this race is going to be won on, this could be the difference maker. this could be the difference between trump in the white house, kamala harris in the white house. in terms of volunteers who are paid, hired by elon musk, a guy with no political experience and are still being hired less than three weeks to go, what does it tell you about the quality of the argument they are going to be making to these low propensity voters were apparently the target of the trump campaign in terms of winning the race? >> there's a lot of research that it's not just the number of doors you knock them is the quality of the conversation that you have. your ability to engage, to listen, to speak to the issues that people care about. if folks are watching this right now feel strongly about this, you can get involved, check in at, when you volunteer, you will know what issues kamala harris actually stands for, you'll practice the script of things you're going to say, you're going to walk people through the process to make a plan to vote, if you're hiring people willy-nilly at the last second to me not support your candidate and sending them out,

they're not going to do a very good job of hitting the points that move the votes. having a committed to generating victory is critical in the final stretch. all of wisconsin i'm hearing from people that they're getting door hangers left on their doors but the america pac canvassers is not actually knocking on the door and talking to people, they're trying to cross the house off the list. if they're even doing that. there's a big difference between leaving something on someone's doorstep and having an honest face-to-face conversation with them about the issues they care about the most, that's why we work so hard to build a field operation that build authentic conversations and relationships with voters and treats them with respect instead of treating them as a paycheck, essentially. i wish the best of luck to all the folks were on the payroll at america pac, feel free to speak from your heart if you think harris would be a better presidential candidate, but, on the ground game this year. >> encouraging all america pac

volunteers or paid staff to just go ahead and leave the brochures of the doorstep, don't bother talking, no problem. thank you for joining me, ben, it's great to hear from you. >> thanks so much. coming up, we are going to show you one of the most forceful arguments the harris campaign is making against donald trump's immigration policy. you do not want to miss this, stay with us. us.

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