to negotiate with? and i guess without sinwar, who can the israelis point to as the problem on the other side? >> that's a very good question. so nobody knows who will be appointed to succeed sinwar. there is talk among israeli observers of hamas that it could be mohammed sinwar, known to be kind of a deputy of his. it could be, you know, still surviving members of hamas leadership in qatar. and if that is what ends up happening and gazan fighters are pushed a little bit aside as a result of this assassination, then we might see some kind of softening of hamas position because they want to safeguard their future in doha, in qatar, and they have to follow some of the recommendations. >> an hour goes by so fast. i have so many more questions. thank you very much as always.

that's it for me today. "deadline: white house" starts right now. ♪♪ ♪♪ hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york. in a normal world, a pre-trump world, the 2024 presidential campaign would have been fundamentally reshaped in the last 24 hours. twice. first, an on camera confession by the republican presidential nominee, donald trump, about his centrality in the january 6th insurrection described as, quote, domestic terrorism by the trump-appointed director of the fbi. and second, the most senior republican official in congress, the republican senate leader caught on tape, his own recordings describing his party's presidential nominee, donald trump, as a, quote, despicable person. and should stop here and

reiterate, in pre-trump politics each of these events is a race-changing blow. but we will start with the damning on camera confession of sorts from donald trump himself. the ex-president fielding questions from voters at a univision town hall on wednesday. including a question from a former trump supporter. here is the extraordinary exchange almost in its entirety. once again, you can reach your own conclusions about it. >> i want to give you the opportunity to try to win back my vote, okay? your action and maybe inaction during your presidency and the last few years sort of, you know, was a little disturbing to me. what happened during january 6th and the fact that, you know, you waited so long to take action while your supporters were attacking the capitol.

coronavirus. i thought we were -- the public was misled during coronavirus. and that many more lives could have been saved if we would have been informed better. and also people in your administration who don't support you. i am curious how people so close to you and your administration no longer want to support you. so why would i want to support you? if you would answer these questions for me, i with appreciate it and give you the opportunity. your own vice president doesn't want to support you now. >> thank you. so the people that don't support, very small portion. we have a tremendous, about 97% of the people in the administration support me. but because it's me, somebody doesn't support, they get a little publicity. the vice president i disagree with him on what he did. i totally disagreed with him what he did. very importantly, you had hundreds of thousands of people come to washington. they didn't come because of me. they came because of the

election. they thought the election was a rigged election and that's why they came. some of those people went down to the capitol. i said, peacefully and patriotically. nothing wrong at all. and action was taken, strong action. ashli babbitt was killed. nobody was killed. there were no guns down there. we didn't have guns. the other had guns. we didn't have guns. >> we didn't have guns. okay. the we, he is there referring to is the insurrectionists and him. the quote others that he refers to with guns are the police officers who defended the united states capitol that day. and mike pence and all of the republican members of the house and senate. so now 19 days ago donald trump is saying outloud what has been investigated through a congressional probe and the department of justice, a lot of that revealed in the body of evidence developed by those

investigators that the violent mob that stormed the u.s. capitol was part of trump's own plan to overturn his defeat on january 6th and that mob was indeed armed. they had guns. we had guns, donald. he knew that before he sent them to the capitol. here's cassidy hutchinson. >> is it your understanding that mr. ornato told the president about weapons at the rally on the morning of january 6th. >> that's what he relayed to me. >> when we were off stage announce tent, i was part of a conversation. i was in the vicinity of a conversation where i overheard the president say something to the effect of, you know i don't care that they have weapons. they are not here to hurt me. take the f-ing mags away. let the people in, take the f-ing mags away. >> a mystery, right? how did he know that, they are not here to hurt me? quote, let my people in.

we. we didn't have guns, he says. 19 days to election day. trump is telling voters that the people who attacked the capitol were part of a we, on his side and he is on theirs still. brings us to another stunning development today. a new book by associated press washington bureau chief michael tackett reveals this. quote, mitch mcconnell said after the 2020 election then president trump was quote stupid as well as being ill tempered. quote, a despicable human being and a, quote, narcissist. he said all that. mitch mcconnell, before the insurrection. more from the ap. privately, mcconnell said in his oral history that, quote, it's not just the democrats who are counting the days until trump left office. and that trump's behavior only underscores the good judgment of the american people. they have had just enough of the misrepresentations, the out right lies. and they fired him.

and for a narcissist like him, mcconnell continued, that's been really hard to take. and so his behavior since the election has been even worse by far than it was before because he has no filter now at all. now, before nose georgia runoffs, mcconnell said trump is, quote, stupid as well as being ill tempered and can't figure out where his own best interests lie. like we said, in a normal world, that would be a thunder clap. enough to completely derail a political campaign, a candidate leading a political party. so when we say that's not what it is anymore, this is an example that proves that out. an admission that you are on the side of the violent extremists who attacked the capitol and the number one person in the senate called you despicable and a narcissist happened in the last 24 hours.

should be devastating to a politician, someone seeking to rule the government. the gop has splintered in two violently, authoritarian movement that demands you toss your views aside or become an outcast. people like liz cheney, adam kinzinger. mitch mcconnell supports the man he described in his own word in a personal oral history as stupid and despicable. his words on a tape recording he made and shared with a reporter. on the other side a small but growing group of disaffected republicans and independent minded voters that split particularly when it applies to january 6th and donald trump's disdain for the hallmarks of democracy has given vice president kamala harris an unprecedented opportunity and opening she is seizing on with republicans and independents. in a few minutes vice president kamala harris will be making remarks at her second stop in wisconsin today. she will be joined by one of her

most high-profile surrogates mark cuban, a billionaire piz man, part owner of the mavericks, whose reputation in the business world completely eclipses the ex-host of the reality show "the apprentice." like many of the independents and republicans, the harris campaign is courting cuban once supported donald trump only to break with him as he says, quote, once i got to know him. we will bring you the vice president's remarks, also mark cuban later in the broadcast. this is where we start. msnbc political analyst tim miller, former rnc spokesman, host of the bulwark podcast with me at the table, co-host of msnbc's the weekend, alicia mendez, and professor at columbia university msnbc political analyst basal michael here. about that town hall. take me through it. >> it's interesting because they have translators for people who want to watch in spanish and english. you don't need a translator.

you can just watch the body language in order to see how it was going. you played some of the sound from that undecided voter ramiro, they interviewed him after, and they said you are undecided coming into this, have you made up your mind? he said, well, i know i am not voting for donald trump. >> wow. >> yes. >> and so you have a sense of how this all went. there is the 1-6 of it all, incredibly disturbing. i thought it was interesting. you got three different questions on immigration. there was a really beautiful moment where someone said, i am an agriculture worker. i worked in the country most of my life. tell me how your plan to deport immigrants is going to affect agriculture in this country. there was another question -- >> what did he say? >> he didn't have an answer. that was the incredible thing. no matter what the question was, he self-aggrandizes, he makes a claim to victory he didn't have, then villainizes, demonizes immigrants, lies about their

criminality, and offers no real solution forward and in the process reveals that he does not understand how any of this works, which is kind of amazing to choose an issue like immigration, put -- make it the heartbeat of your campaign, and then over the course of an hour reveal that you don't understand the mechanics of it at all, which should be of comfort to people like me if not for the fact that stephen miller does understand how it works. and part of the plan here is for donald trump to come to power and then dole out these portfolios to ideolouges who understand how the government works and can execute the plans he has sold. >> tim miller, mitch mcconnell, i want to try to keep both these stories in front of us because together i think they illustrate how far from acceptable donald trump is to the republican coalition that once was. right? so you want to articulate in the

final 19 days how extreme your opponent is and how centrist and bipartisan your coalition really is. these stories are devastating blows. i mean, to now openly with the cameras rolling -- this wasn't a gotcha. donald trump wasn't caught on the bus yucking it up with somebody. he was at a televised town hall and refers to the insurrection as we. >> the second time. at least. i am sure he is it other times. he caught himself during the debate and changed to this group of people. maybe it's a slip. we know it's not a slip. you could -- maybe he has plausible deniability, it's a slip. in the town hall it's clear. he refers to the rioters as weak. and then today as the capitol police. and i am glad you tied these stories together because it shows the nihilism of mitch mcconnell that he is still onboard with donald trump after

all that he has called him, being morally responsible for that day, being a despicable human being, being stupid, and these aren't minor critiques. these go to the core of the man. and yet he still is for him because it's on the team. he is on the team. that's what he said today in his statement. i think that the big takeaway though is if you are a voter out there, if you are one of those nikki haley voters or watching you, have a nikki haley voter in your life and they see themselves as like a mitch mcconnell, nikki haley republican, believes america has a strong role in the world, government should be smaller and they have respect for character, donald trump is telling you -- donald trump is telling those voters that they are the they. they are not on his team. thrz that the we is the people that are charging the capitol. that if you are a person of conservative temperament that was on the side of the capitol

police that day because you believe in the rule of law, because you believe in the constitution, then he sees you as the enemy, adds part of that enemy within that he talks about. right? like, that's how donald trump sees the world. and i think that if that can just break through, you know, there is the event yesterday that you mentioned with kamala harris and liz change any and adam kinzinger and others. if that breaks through some voters, you might think you are part of the republican team because you have been on part of the republican team. if you listen to donald trump's own words, he doesn't consider you part of it. like, if you believe that the president should be defending the capitol police in the capitol, he sees you as part of the enemy standing between him and a donald trump autocracy. and, hopefully, god willing, with the help of liz cheney and the other small number of brave people who spoke out, like that

can let get through to that core demo. it's a small decisive demo that will be very critical in a couple of weeks. >> can i do one more thing? it's not true that the we, the insurrectionists didn't have guns. here is the radio traffic. can i play this? >> the individuals entry, white male. about 6 feet tall. thin build. brown cowboys boots. he's got blue jeans and a blue jean jacket and underneath the jacket an ar-15. he will be with a group of individuals, 5'8", five, eight other individuals. two individuals in the group at the base of the tree near the porta pottys, wearing green fatigues. skinny white males, brown cowboy boots. they had glock style pistols in their waist bands. >> 87-36. weapon on his right hip.

he is in the tree. >> make sure bpd knows they have an elevated threat in the tree south side of constitution avenue. look for the flag, american flag facemask, cowboy boots, weapon on the right side hip. >> three men walking down the street. carrying ar-15s. copy. independence. >> so pbd is presidential protective detail. make sure the people trump wanted to take him to the capitol know about glock style pistols, an ar-15. he will be would a group of individuals. i mean, and we toe that trump knows -- we know this message got to trump because he wants them in with their weapons. quote, they are not here to hurt me. donald trump on that day. so even in aligning himself with the we, he is lying about the weapons. >> yeah, he is always lying,

right? that is true. to me, like, the most politically salient point is that donald trump was still -- considers himself on the side. insurrectionists against the capitol police defending the capitol. he is lying. they had weapons. it was dangerous. many of them are in squam. that takes us to the other part of the story, like the j.d. vances and the enablers of donald trump try to use to excuse themselves, to say you guys, you know, the nicolle wallace show, you are obsessed with the past, obsessed with talking about something that is over, something that happened in 2021. that's not true. >> this is ongoing. donald trump wants to pardon the we. he wants to let them out much jail the ones with the guns, that physically attacked the police. donald trump wants to free them and he wants to jail the they. the enemy within. like, this is his explicit platform, to free the insurrectionists an to jail his political foes and target them. that's what he is running on right now. and so i just think that people

that are still looking at this election deciding whether or not they can get off the fence and support kamala harris or traditional republicans should think about that, right, think about the fact that donald trump's agenda is completely in line with freeing the people that attacked the capitol and targeting those that opposed his effort. >> basal, the reason -- and they talk about being stuck in the past as though it shames the press from covering january 6th when they are on the programs, they don't come on this program, but i know from my own reporting that if they get a question about january 6th, the reason they badger the topic is because it is salient voter issue now. people are voting now in dozens of states and it's top of mind. because a vice president is about to go out, i am not going to play the sound. focus groups have people saying in focus groups that, you know, donald trump didn't engage in a

peaceful transfer of power and that bothers them. even people who supported him and didn't expect him to be normal or tradition have january 6th and the violence that he incited and encouraged and the death threats for his own vice president that he cheered top of mind as they cast a vote in this election. >> absolutely right. when you look at the fact that donald trump and his surrogates, including j.d. vance, can't really bring themselves to talk about what actually happened and the dangers that individual faced, they are doing it because they are trying to normalize that within the republican party. and there is evidence to suggest that outside of a riot or an insurrection that republicans are starting to normalize january 6th and think of it less as any of those violent uprisings and more of a way to actually affect change in government and that's what's so scary, that this is being normalized within a very large swath of the population. so to tim's point, there is this notion that he would want to pardon everybody that was involved in it.

i always said i am not concerned about who he will pardon i know he will pardon those folks. i always knew the we included him. what i have been concerned be, who he criminalizes and seeks to lock up. i expect if he gets another term, all of those folks out there on january 6th, the ones not in jail, all those folks out there on january 6th are going to be coming -- looking for people like us and that has to shock everybody. one of the things that i sort of noticed when you were playing the mitch mcconnell content is i'm glad that kamala harris has the money advantage she has because i could imagine that commercial, that undecided voter saying convince me to vote for you again and kamala harris putting up all of mitch mcconnell's words about how terrible he is. and come back and say, he is the opposite of what i mean about doing something. all of the concerns that he had about donald trump, how many opportunities did mitch mcconnell have to stop all of this in its tracks? maybe not all of it, but at least a good part of it to say,

you know what? we need to move in another direction, and he did nothing. why? because even if he doesn't like the man, he cares about everything that that man cares about. >> again, we have a second person. i mean, no one said those things quite that way about donald trump on this show, right? a lot of critics we have had -- you know, mark cuban is introducing the vice president. could we listen in? >> he thinks that china pays for them. this is the same guy who also thought that mexico would pay for the wall. [ cheers and applause ] did mexico pay for the twaul? no. hell no. >> hell no! >> that's what i'm talking b we know across the board tariffs are a tax on everybody, the major economists said so. i am going to give him a little

bit of credit. >> no! >> i honestly think that he used to understand how tariffs work. back in the '90s in the early 2000s, he was a little bit coherent when he talked about trade policies and he actually made a little bit of sense. but i don't know what happened to him. the way he has been thinking about tariffs and trade now -- >> a fired up crowd there in wisconsin. mark cuban did something he spends a lot of time doing on social media, absolutely ripping apart his new orleans sensical, non-functional to us, donald trump's tariff plan. he will be joining the broadcast in a little bit. >> could i just say about the voter that we showed? >> yeah. >> i love that he said, basically, he basically said, i am willing to volt for you. earn my vote back. it was an invitation, like standing up in a focus group and saying i am a persuadable vote

early. there was no effort to persuade. we talk on this program about the fact that it is likely donald trump hit his ceiling, knows he hit the ceiling, this becomes about a base turnout election or whatever we're referring to as his loyal following at this point. he makes no effort to actually reckon with any of these issues, whereas she is still in persuasion mode. she still has a universe of people that she knows she is either -- >> she was on fox last night. >> and when you talk a normal election and how none of this is normal, how these average citizens have more courage than mitch mcconnell to stand up to the ex-president of the united states and take him through were some pretty damning realities. where were you on 1/6? where were you during covid? why did all these people who served in your administration think you should never be allowed into the oval office

again? if that guy could do it, mitch mcconnell should be able to do the same. to your point, non-normal action. >> let me show some of the reaction to the january 6th stuff. >> ashli babbitt was dild. nobody was killed. there were no guns down there. we didn't have guns. the other had guns. we didn't -- >> the other thing, this is a very infield electorate. the reason people are undecided, especially with this group, is not because they haven't been paying attention. they haven't been persuaded. the inability of the candidate to recognize the opportunity and to recognize that cameras were there. we would see what he -- i think this is a disastrous week for him. it started with the swaying. then he attacked at the chicago economic meeting -- i mean, had to continue to -- asked about the dollar. he is talking about the moon. he steers him back to the fed.

i mean, it was like a, you know, we have little kids. like, you know, pushing, you know, your kids through costco. we are not getting that. keep going. he is a candidate. >> it's interesting there is a group of voters who may believe they know everything they need to know about him, right. and if they have decided 1/6 is not a teal breaker for him, they are there. but he layers in new information, right? i love the exchange between charlamagne tha god and vice president harris where charlemagne says people say you come across as scripted in interviews. she said some people call that discipline. >> you are welcome. >> and something she has in spades, and he has none of. and this is where you see it, which is in a normal campaign you say let's inoculate this issue, right, not touch it, let's not build monday it and give new information, yet he is the one continuing to give it oxygen he is talking about the enemy within, talking about using a the u.s. military against u.s. citizens.

>> giving new evidence what you said. i will play it. so much to choose from. he is not only defensively down with prosecuting the enemy within. he is telling us how he is doing it. he is layering on which agencies he is going to tap. not just doj. they are in of course. also the military. i mean, he is telling us exactly how he would pure u pursue his enemies. here is what is happening. we are waiting for the vice president to take that podium. as soon as that happens we will take those remarks live. as we showed you, she is joined -- she is introduced right now by one of her campaign's top surrogates, billionaire businessman mark cuban. he will join us after this rally in lacrosse, wisconsin. that and more when "deadline: white house" continues after a quick break. don't go anywhere. quick break. don't go anywhere. they respond to emails with phone-calls... and they don't "circle back" they're already there. they wear business sneakers and pad their keyboards with something that makes their clickety- clacking... clickety-clackier. but no one loves logistics as much as they do.

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we're back. juggling plates kind of day. on the side of the screen, waiting for vice president kamala harris to take the stage in battleground wisconsin. we have a chance to speak right now with democratic congressman colin allred. less than that month ahead from election day in his very, very close race against senator ted cruz for his texas senate seat. you had an incredible moment about the supply closet and january 6th. i wanted to pull you in on this conversation we have been having, and this, you know, you think you made a profound point. i love to hear you make it again. you are glad that ted cruz was safe op january 6th. if that was in a supply closet, so be it. the lies he is telling endanger us today. explain how this issue came up in your race. >> thanks for having me on. listen, on january 6th as i said

at the debate, you know, my wife was seven months pregnant and i thought i would have to hold a door and defend my colleagues while they escaped. thanks to the capitol police that didn't happen. at the same time, senator cruz was hiding in the supply closet. i am glad he wasn't hurt. the fact of the matter is that if you are responsible for lying to folks about the election, going around the country and helping to summon that mob, and then you are responsible for the effort to overturn an american presidential election, you are not fit to be in a position of authority ever again. and this election is accountability. there are a lot of texans who agree. and you know my friend liz cheney came here, campaigned with me, endorsed me. i think this is something she feels strongly about. a lot of other texans do as well. true, you know, constitutional conservatives who understand there has to be something bigger than whether or not your side wins an election.

>> george w. bush used to say you may not always agree with me, but you will always know where i stand. where ted cruz stood after january 6th was with the trump-appointed director of the fbi christopher wray who described the january 6th insurrection as, quote, domestic terrorism. ted cruz publicly said he agreed until he went on tucker carlson's show and unagreed and no longer stood for that. how do you run against someone who literally says anything about anything? >> well his entire career he has been this way. it hasn't been this dangerous to this 250-year project of ours. there is no limit to it. there really is. it's okay to throw out everything we built and throw it out the window in the pursuit of, you know, whatever your short-term partisan goals are. honestly, i think folks are so tired of that. i come across so many texans who tell me, you know, how impactful

that story has been, but also the fact of what happened on january 6th, can't believe it happened in our country. we have to have accountability. when we beat ted cruz here in texas we will also send a message to all of the insurrectionists, folks who are opportunists, folks who put party over country, there will be a cost, and that cost will be that you will lose your seat. and that accountability i think will also have ripple effect. that will cause some folks to stiffen up their spine a bit. >> the story we led with, donald trump's remark yesterday at a univision town hall that, quote, we didn't have the guns, quote, they did. the we is the insurrectionists. the they are the officers you were willing to stand up and help barricade that door to protect your colleagues. i know that everyone is sort of numb to the outrageous things that he says, but i'm old and i work and campaigns where that kind of confession on camera at a political event would be race altering. what do you it think we should

do with something like that? >> listen, i think used the right word. i have seen that there has been a numbing setting in around this. i know folks, we have to make sure we are talking about the future. and that's -- i think it's important to put this in the context of the future. it's that this election is about our future and about who you want in positions of authority when these decisions to be made, we have to certify an american presidential election, which happens on january 6th, 2025. do you want me or ted cruz sitting in the chamber? who do you want to be able to say they will faithfully execute the laws an protect the constitution when it comes to the presidency? this is a choice that's in front of us as americans. we had a lot of it difficult times in our history. we have -- ultimately, i think we always arrive as americans as defending it this shared project of ours. that's what i think we will do in this election. here in texas, we are working right now to get out the vote. i am in san antonio.

we had a great debate in el paso, the middle of our tour heading up to early voting. i want to encourage every texan to go to colin allred.com. this is a close race. when we beat senator cruz it will be more than a win for the party or one seat. >> congressman, alicia menendez. i want to give you an opportunity to answer a question that ex president trump refused to answer last night. 8% of the total work force in your state is unauthorized. what happens to the state's economy, agriculture in your state if donald trump re-elected and able to carry out his deportation plans for those on the interior of this country? >> well, i think we have to have a much more serious conversation about how broken our immigration system is and how we have -- have in exploitation going on. to me this is part of the overall package we know we have

to address. whether president bush, ted kennedy trying to have a comprehensive immigration reform, president obama with the gang of eight, marco rubio when he cared about doing something with immigration reform or attempts in this recent era, ted cruz has been somebody who got in the way of that every single time. it does include making sure that we find a pathway out of the shadows for folks here who are undocumented, securing the border and making our legal immigration system work much better. every employer i talk to in texas says the same thing, they want to to be making sure they are following the laws and want to bring in people from around the world. our immigration system is so broken. we need to fix that. we know for 12 years ted cruz will take down any bipartisan effort to reform our immigration system. i will make sure we get that done, fix this broken system and make sure we have pathways and accountability as well.

>> congressman colin allred, your friend beto o'rourke questioned us on sleeping in texas, not just your race, but in the presidential. we track it. we will keep following it. come back and join us anytime. thank you for your time today. >> thank you. >> we are going to sneak in a break. we still have an image, we are waiting for vice president kamala harris to take the stage? wisconsin. we will bring it to you as soon as it happens. we will all be back watching with you. don't go anywhere. hing with you don't go anywhere. le shimmy, shimmy...'shaaaaake'. what you think kai? looks like he's chasing an ice cream truck. ice cream! he got his iphone 16 pro. the first iphone built for apple intelligence. cuz's holding it up like a baby lion. homie takes those t-mobile savings and calls it a day. respect. now at t-mobile.com, get the new iphone 16 pro on us. and families can save 20% every month versus the other big guys. hi. i'm damian clark. i'm here to help you understand how to get the most from medicare. if

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we await the vice president, i want to lead more from what we are learning from mitch mcconnell's private thoughts. private and not shared publicly until today. shortly after trump announced his 2024 presidential campaign, merrick garland, who biden named attorney general, announced he appointed a special counsel to investigate trump's actions connected to the 2020 election and the january 6th insurrection. mcconnell said with a laugh, a faint laugh, surely would have angered his critics that garland was in the right position. from the start, mitch mcconnell thought the charges brought by federal prosecutors against donald trump had merit. quote, i think it was the single most in a category by itself how wrong all of tv was and there is no doubt who inspired it and i just hope he, donald trump, had have to pay a price for it, mcconnell said. less than a month after special counsel jack smith brought the charges, mcconnell said of trump in an interview with me, if he hasn't committed indictable

offenses, i don't know what one is. tim? >> that enrages me. i'm laughing to hide the inner rage, nicolle. it's a thing. mitch mcconnell could have done this. if he believed that donald trump committed indictable offenses, he could have convicted him in the senate and we wouldn't all be in this place right now. and so, you know, we ranted about this a lot. but i think it is really shameful how many people have fallen down on their duty who knew better, starting on january 6th. going all the way to today, just sitting there watching that cuban segment as we lead into the vice president's speech, and, i mean, mark cuban is putting his money where his mouth is. liz cheney is putting her money where her mouth is. we have 330 million people in this country. why are two people carrying so much weight? nothing against anybody on this panel, on this network, but, you

know, like, i just -- it is mitch mcconnell could have prevented this. we could have had an election that was a normal election where there were idealogical disagreements between somebody like ron desantis and kamala harris and i still would have supported kamala harris but wouldn't be worried people will be charging the capitol waving nikki haley flags around, desantis flags. they could have done that. they were too cowardly and every revelation shows us they know better. i interviewed bob woodward this morning about his book, obviously, you have been discussing mark milley comments about how big of of a threat donald trump is, he is a fascist. woodward said on the podcast this morning that jim mattis emailed him since the book came out telling him he agrees with the concerns. so it's like, i'm glad he sent the email automotive, but, like, you know, i think that there are

a lot of people that have fallen down on the job. mitch mcconnell might be on the top of the list. it's a long list. >> let's explain why though because the only people treating their supporters like stooges, i mean, it's not vice president kamala harris. bret baier tried to bait her into attacking americans who think donald trump is the answer. she wouldn't go there for a nanosecond. she is not running against in i voter. she is running against donald trump and the reason that donald trump is on the menu is because mitch mcconnell and, frankly, j.d. vance, who viewed trump more harshly than either of us do, and that is hard to do, tim, but maybe when you have given up your soul and other male body parts maybe you have that kind of hatred for donald trump. i don't know. i didn't do it for a nanosecond. maybe that does that to a man to be sub servient to donald trump if he hasn't committed indictable offenses, i don't know what an indictable offense

is. to treat your supporters -- mitch mcconnell is an elected official. j.d. vance represents people in ohio. to treat them as dumb stooges that you can fool by campaigning for him, voting for someone you find so odious, that's the most cynical think i have ever seen in politics. >> yeah. i mean, it's just -- it's nihilism. mitch mcconnell put out a statement today, i don't know if you saw this, and i guess defending himself saying that, i don't have it in front of me, the statement says, lindsey graham and j.d. vance have said worse about trump than i have, but now we are on the same team. it's pure nihilism. my words don't matter. my beliefs don't matter. ideology doesn't matter. character doesn't matter. the constitution doesn't matter. the only thing that matters is red team, blue team. and it is just, like, cynical doesn't even quite capture, right? it is just the depths of nihilism. we are in the "dante's inferno"

of nihilism from these people. and it does -- obviously, it does something to your soul and overturn u your personality and makes you glufr. you see this with j.d. vance. he is so mean now and joyless because if you have to go that low, it has that affect on you. unfortunately, like, it's working. unfortunately, well, it might not work ultimately, hopefully, in a few weeks, but it's keeping enough people in the tent to keep donald trump viable. that's why those are the ones i have the lowest opinion of. >> the other thing that's antiquated and i want to loop in mitch mcconnell's comments to a journalist of his personal oral history. i will have to learn more about what that is. >> he records himself. >> talking? and he shares it? >> yeah. >> he knows what is there. these aren't leaked tapes. >> no. >> as well as what tim reported, we know that general milley stands by his description of donald trump as, quote, fascist

to the core. we are learning from tim that jim mattis shares those views, that donald trump is fascist to the core. is an antiquated view that the press would be there. i mean, their position is to not come on shows like this or cnn or fox because they are trying to keep the military out of an election. they think that's a dangerous troed head down. somewhat antiquated if trump, if you could help make sure that trump doesn't serve as president again, you protect the institution you love, and te believe they love it. the reliance on the press to be a messenger, a spokesperson, is also ant grated. the notion that the press would survive a second trump term is far from guaranteed. >> yeah, first of all, whatever tim just described sounded like a syth lord to me, the "star wars" person in me, which scared the bejesus out of me right now. it should be scary. the reliance on the media to

create messages and push messages out at a time when you are telling the voter all you are hearing is fake news defeats the purpose. so you, the leader, the elected official, the person that the federalist papers -- because i read those regularly -- came out and said we have to take these elected officials, it they have to distill all of the wishes of their constituents through a lens of wisdom to be able to make good decisions. where in the trump era have we seen so many republicans just fail miserably at that test, at that benchmark? so, you know, it's going to take this very specific moment in the election, what you are saying in terms of persuasion, it will take a campaign that, by the way, has been run brilliantly by vice president kamala harris. that if you -- and i think she should be able to say this. if you still think that she isn't doing enough to tell the american people who she is and what she is going to do for them, you are making a choice to not pay attention because what

she is doing right now is shaking everybody up -- >> do you think that's something president obama should have said instead of the sort of words heard around the world? >> yeah, i have a lot to say about what president obama said but -- >> but that was good. and i don't want to be -- i mean, i am a huge pan fan of him as a political communicator and mover of votes. but in terms of what you just said, i mean, let me put it this way. is that a better closing medical examiner message? >> i think so. oops look what i did in 70 days. look what donald trump has had four years of his presidency, four years subsequent to that and what actually has he done to explain to you and convince you, including that undecided voer town hall that you should -- that they should for him again? nothing. he has gone the other way. instead of using the media to talk about what he wants to do, instead of working through effect elected officials, mine working through elected officials, he is, like, building an army out away from public

scrutiny to some extent to be able to go after all of you when all is said and done if he gets back in office. that is not democracy. that not governance. that should be part of the closing message. >> i think there was an open question who the country's commander and chief was on january 6th. trump answered it in the town hall. we, the insurrectionists and i. have guns. >> that's where he chooses to situate himself a extraordinarily telling. i think sort of accept the nihilism that tim laid out, the thing we hear from the anti-authoritarian experts, hope is the only antidotes. there is a better way forward. >> yeah, that's harris'. tim, i want to message, is has to be, there is a better way forward. >> that's harris'. tim, i want to ask you about cuban and liz. you put your finger on two people articulating one of the most powerful pro-harris

messages. for whatever reason, he can't get there on harris. that does not describe liz cheney or mark cuban. talk about the enthusiasm, the genuine finding common cause with this person who is, as basil said, in 80 days is, i know the polls are tight, but it looks like she could save the country again from donald trump. >> yeah, well, for starters, you know, famously harlan crow, the right-wing donor with a weird sculpture garden, and cuban and liz are going in there. cuban, liz, and harris are going in there, because good on them. they really are carrying their weight, and i appreciate what both of them have done. and for different kind of core groups. i think there's this event yesterday in pennsylvania. and there was a good group of other republicans, people like

barbara comstock and adam kinzinger that were out there, kind of speaking to these philly suburbs, republican types, trying to squeeze any more votes you can out of that demographic. i think liz has been very important in kind of speaking to that group. our former friends, nicolle, and then on the other side, i look, mark cuban is out there fighting this battle for younger men, the elon musk and this kind of bro podcast universe. you have seen the numbers. trump is doing better among younger men of all races. i think cuban is out there as somebody hao can be a voice and push back. like, i'm not -- i'm a guy's guy, i own a basketball team. i made money. i cuss. and i'm happy to just give you the real truth about this. like, these guys are bs'ing you, and i'm telling you the truth about what -- who kamala harris is, what her agenda is, why it's better for you, why you don't have to be scared of it. that's a very important role and i'm grateful he's out there

doing it. >> there's some evidence, fresh evidence that it's working. maris poll has white college educated men supporting harris at 59%. tim miller, thank you for spending the hour with us. sorry. >> i was just going to say, i had a poll that shows cuban more popular with young men than elon musk, which i appreciate. >> that's for sure. i don't know if it's proerment for television, but the idea, not a contest, i'll leave it at that. tim miller, thank you for spending the hour with us. voting is currently under way in another battleground state of north carolina. the tar heel state has not voted for the democratic candidate in a presidential contest since president barack obama won north carolina in 2008. while we wait for the vice president, i apologize in advance in case we rudely interrupt, i'm going to bring in antonio hilton in black mountain, north carolina. what are you hearing and seeing? >> reporter: well, what we're hearing is this is really going to be a story of turnout.

one that's because the polls here are so tight, and they have been now for weeks. and it seems every day, it's one person, one point ahead of the other, always within the margin of error here. this is a state where historically, look, races can be won or lost by just a couple hundred points. so i'm in the western part of the state where people have been severely impacted and they're still without running water in many cases. their kids are out of school, they have lost their cars, their jobs. the question right now for organizers here and for voters is, well, how do you prioritize getting to the polls in the midst of all that suffering? and we have heard a real mix of responses over the last two days. i have spoken to some democrats who are actually really energized right now, who felt like this storm and seeing what happened to the asheville area and all the counties surrounding it, that it really transformed the way they understand climate change. it became personal to them for the first time, so they're really excited to vote for an

sdriegz that they think is going to take climate change very seriously. then, when we have gone to some of the more right leaning communities, there's a lot of pain and distrust now toward the federal government. and i think for anyone organizing on that side, it might be an alarm bell because as we spoke to voters there, they were telling us, we're just not thinking about voting right now. i'm worried about my mom, i'm worried about my family. i'm worried about how we're going to get heat because we still don't have access to that at home. so i don't know how i'm voting, if i'm going to make it in the early voting period. the last couple voters are going in to get their votes cast behind me now. there's a real question here of, well, where do the chips fall? is this something that galvanizes a significant number of people, or is it something that's going to end up because it's already hurt and traumatized so many, actually keeping a lot of people out of the electoral process this election cycle. in a state where it's so close, nicolle, that matters to not just the top of the ticket but

actually to all the state-wide and state level races all the way down the ballot. that's the question now. >> everything happening in our national politics has happened in north carolina over the last three weeks. the disinformation, the armed militias, the politicizing by donald trump of a natural disaster, something he did as president. how has that landed? i imagine when your concern is clean running water, you don't have time for that, but just tell me what those conversations are like with folks there. >> reporter: well, what i can tell you is while the stories that have been told about what's happening here about how fema is acting on the ground, that they're able to seize people's property or to force people into predatory loans or that they're only offering families $750, people are starting to understand and debunk these stories, these lies. but they have had a real impact. i have had one-on-one conversations with residents here who have told me, while

sitting in their cars waiting for someone to donate water to them or give them food or formula for a baby that they feel abandoned by their government, that they're very fearful, hesitant to call hema, where you can apply in person and get help in person. they're hesitant to do that because of what they have heard. on the other hand, i think it's really important, too, when reporting on this to keep a lot of empathy for people because they have been cast into a situation that i think is really hard for a lot of americans to under. i mean, they live in a part of the country where they were told and sold on this idea they weren't going to have to deal with storms. the kind of impacts that floridians are used to, they weren't going to have to deal with in the mountains. they weren't really ready for helene. they don't have lights. they don't have cell service. they can't get on the interfete. their kids are out of school, their families are cast into chaos. they have lost their businesses. you can understand in that

scenario how when they start to hear, oh, fema might be doing this or no one is here to help me, how they might buy into that. there are a lot of rural neighborhoods here where people are completely cut off still. they're not actually seeing the aid, not able to seegon other than own next door neighbors so you can understand, i have a lot of empathy for people right now who are struggling to determine fact from fiction. because certainly, the reality on the ground, and just the topography here has made it really challenging, but it also is a reminder of just how painful it is and how damaging it is when people spread those lies. willfully in some cases, as we have seen here. and so that's really been a battle. and all of the election's administrators here, the county officers, they talk about how they're trying to do the work and fight the information battle too. >> it's just amazing. it's a hallmark, every journalist on the ground covering the storm, covering the race, reports this out from their sources. that they're doing their primary job, which in the case of fema

or aid is helping the people, then they have to combat disinformation. antonia hylton, thank you for being there for us. i believe we see the vice president now taking the stage in wisconsin. let's listen in. ♪♪ >> can we hear it for sisco? good afternoon, wisconsin.

good afternoon. oh, it's wonderful to be back and here at the university of wisconsin lacrosse. thank you all. go eagles. oh, it's good to meet everyone. and mark cuban, thank you for all that you are. and being a part of this. thank you. so, some of you may know, when i was 5 years old, we lived in wisconsin. my parents taught at the university of wisconsin in madison for a time, and every time i come now, when i land, governor evers will greet me and say, welcome home. so it is good to be back in wisconsin. and this is a room full of

leaders. i thank you all for taking the time out of your busy lives to be here to have this conversation. i want to thank mayor reynolds. thank you for the warm welcome and all you do. and lacrosse, let's re-elect someone who has spent her career fighting for the families of wisconsin, your senator, tammy. we need her in washington. we need her in washington. good. so, election day is in 19 days. 19 days. and if anyone, if you have a chair or a seat, please sit, for anyone who has a chair. so listen, we are nearing the homestretch. and this is going to be a tight race until the very end.

and we got this. i see you. and, and, reality check. we are the underdog. okay. and that's why i'm here with you, and you are taking the time to do the hard work that is necessary. it's why i'm campaigning for every vote, because i want and intend to be a president for all americans. and no matter their political party, where they live, or where they get their news, okay. and on that point, last night, you may have seen i went on fox news.

and while i was doing that, donald trump was at a univision town hall, where a voter asked him about january 6th. okay. so now, we here know january 6th was a tragic day. it was a day of terrible violence. there were attacks on law enforcement, 140 law enforcement officers were injured. some were killed. and what did donald trump say last night about january 6th? he called it a, quote, a day of love. but it points out something that everyone here knows. the american people are exhausted with his gaslighting. exhausted. with his gaslighting.

enough. we are ready to turn the page. turn the page. we're done. and wisconsi -- we're not going back. because this election -- [ chanting not going back ] and we are not going back because we know that this election is about two very different visions for our nation. one that is focused, his, on the past. and ours that is focused on the

future. as represented by everyone here, and especially the students who are here right now. yeah, you guys. you guys. yeah. yeah. it's about you guys. it really is. it really is. and we know that america is ready for a new way forward. we are ready for a new and optimistic generation of leadership. which is why democrats and independents and republicans are supporting our campaign. in fact, just yesterday, i was with over 100 republican leaders from across the country who

joined me on the campaign trail. and as they said, it was about putting country before party. and some of them served in donald trump's previous administration. the people who know him best. okay. and i believe, and i think we all know, americans want a president who works for all the american people. it's what we deserve. and that has been the story of my entire career. in my career, i have only ever had one client, the people. when i was a young courtroom prosecutor, i stood up for women and children against predators. as attorney general of california, i took on the big banks, fought to deliver $20

billion for middle class families who faced foreclosure. i stood up for veterans and students being scammed by for-profit colleges. i stood up for workers who were being cheated out of the wages they were due. stood up for seniors facing elder abuse. and i promise as president, i will always fight for all the american people. and together, together, we can and we will build a future, a brighter future for our nation. that's why we're all here together. we love our country. together, we will build in that future what i call an opportunity economy. which is where every american has an opportunity to own a

home, to start a business, to build wealth. under my plan, and i know this is a big deal for the young people here, we will bring down the cost of housing. because there was a time that generations of americans could count on the american dream. but for far too many these days, it is just out of reach. so we will deal with the housing supply, and i will commit to creating a $25,000 down payment assistance so you can for the first time home buyers just get your foot in the door. we will help entrepreneurs and small businesses to begin and grow, because we know small

businesses are part of america's backbone in terms of the strength of our economy. you know, the woman who helped raise my sister and me was a small business owner. do we have small business owners who are here? raise your hand. yeah. you are not only business leaders, you are civic leaders. you are community leaders, and you really are part of the backbone of america's economy and we have to invest in you and make your jobs easier. my plan will help expand medicare to cover home health care for seniors. and this is personal for me. so part of you may know, some of you may know that when my mother was sick, i took care of her. and for anybody who has taken

care of an elder parent, when they are in their time of need, the work, it includes trying to cook something that they feel like eating. right? helping them put on a sweater. trying to make them just laugh from time to time. right? it's about dignity. it's about dignity. but for far too many people, including people in the sandwich generation who are raising young children and taking care of a parent, oh, it's so rough. and so my plan is this. it's to say, instead of how it currently is, which is in order for you to be able to get help to come in, you have to pretty much get rid of all your savings, to qualify for medicaid. what i'm saying is no, this is a matter of dignity, and it is a matter of your ability to participate in the workforce and be productive and have a quality of life, so we're going to

change the system so medicare will cover your ability to have home health care for your elder parent. because you see, part of the difference between the way we see our country and the world and the way my opponent sees it, is we actually see real people and care about them. and have a sense of understanding about how tough times can be, but how good times can be if we put the work into solving problems instead of trying to run on problems like donald trump. and so, that's why we will also lower costs on everything from health care to groceries, including taking on corporate price gouging, which i have done

before, and i will do again. and we will give the middle class tax cut to 100 million americans, including $6,000 for young parents for parents who are just starting out during the first year of their child's life, knowing the vast majority of our parents have a natural desire to parent their children well, but not always the resources to do it. and so this is about helping folks out to be able to buy a car seat and a crib, just during that most critical phase of their child's development. this is all about dignity. and this is about understanding. [ cheers and applause ] and so i share this to say i

will always put the middle class and working families first. it's where i come from, and i will never forget where i come from. i will never forget where i come from. now, donald trump has a different plan. i love you back, by the way. thank you. donald trump has a different plan. so just google project 2025. now, we're at a place of higher learning so i must say, i can't believe they put that thing in writing. i really can't. they put it in writing. they bound it like they bound it and handed it out. so look, we read it. right? it's a detailed and dangerous blueprint for what he will do if

he's elected president. you know, i said many times, you have heard me say, donald trump is an unserious man. and the consequences of him ever getting his foot back in the oval office are brutally serious. brutally serious. so donald trump -- right? that's why we're here together and we're here because we know we have work to do still. donald trump will give billionaires and corporations massive tax cuts. he will cut social security and medicare. he will get rid of the $35 cap on insulin for seniors. he will make it easier for companies to -- check this out -- he will make it easier for companies to deny overtime pay for workers. and will impose what i have named a trump sales tax because essentially he plans on putting a 20% tax if not higher on

everyday basic necessities which economists have estimated will cost the average american $4,000 more a year. and on top of all of this, donald trump intends to end the affordable care act. and he has no plan to replace it. you guys watched the debate. he has, quote, concepts of a plan. concepts. concepts. so here's the thing. again, it's a serious issue, right? so he's going to threaten the health insurance coverage of 45 million people in america based on a concept.

taking us back to when insurance companies had the power to deny people with pre-existing conditions. you remember what that was? well, we are not going back. we are not going back. we are not going back. we're not going back. we're not going back, and just like wisconsin's state motto tells us, we will move forward. we will move forward. because ours is a fight for the

future. and it is a fight for freedom. for freedom. like the fundamental freedom of a woman to make decisions about her own body and not have her government tell her what to do. [ cheers and applause ] . >> i see you. and again, we're not going to be gaslighted on this. we remember, donald trump hand selected three members of the united states supreme court. with the intention that they would undo the protections of roe v. wade, and they did as he intended. oh, you guys are at the wrong rally.

no, i think you meant to go to the smaller one down the street. come on. so but back to the matter -- we need a medic here. we need a medic. right here, and let's part the way so someone can come through and bring help. okay? okay. all right, we're good. so on the subject of his intention and what he actually did to undo the protections of roe v. wade, let's understand what has happened since.

it is now the case that in america, 1 in 3 women live in state with a trump abortion ban. many, many of these bans have no exception even for rape or incest. and you react that way because we understand the idea that someone who calls themselves a leader would even make no exceptions for a survivor of a violation to their body, and to tell that survivor they have no right to make a decision about what happens to their body next, that's immoral. that's immoral. it's immoral. and i know we all agree, one does not have to abandon their faith or deeply held beliefs to

agree, the government should not be telling her what to do. if she chooses, she will talk with her priest. if she chooses, she will talk with her priest or her pastor, her rabbi, but not the government telling her what to do. and it is my pledge to you that when congress passes a bill to restore reproductive freedom nationwide, as president of the united states, i will proudly sign it into law. proudly. proudly sign it into law. [ chanting kamala ]

lots of work. lots of work to do. so listen. so much is on the line in this election. you all know that. again, that's why you're here. and this is not 2016 or 2020. the stakes are even higher. because a few months ago, the united states supreme court told the former president he is effectively immune no matter what he does in the white house. now, think about that. think about that. just imagine donald trump with no guardrails. right? he who has vowed if re-elected he will be a dictator on day one. he who has called -- he who has called for the, quote, termination of the constitution of the united states of america.

and let us be very clear. someone who suggests we should terminate the constitution of the united states should never again stand behind the seal of the president of the united states. never again. never again. never again. and then consider the comments that he made just in the last few days. because he's got more. he said he will target and punish those who disagree with him or refuse to bend to his will. he calls these americans the

enemy within. and says that he would use the american military to go after american citizens. journalists whose stories he doesn't like, nonpartisan election officials who refuse to cheat by finding a few extra votes for him, judges who insist on following the law instead of following him. it is for reasons like these that general mark milley, the former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, donald trump's top general, has called trump, and i quote, fascist to the core. and it is clear donald trump is increasingly unstable and

unhinged. and will stop at nothing to claim unchecked power for himself. he wants to send the military after american citizens. he wants to prevent women from making decisions about their own body. he wants to threaten fundamental freedoms and rights like the freedom to vote, the freedom to be safe from gun violence, to breathe clean air and drink clean water, and the freedom to love who you love openly and with pride. so much is on the line in this election. so much is on the line. and wisconsin, when it comes down to it, look, we are all here together because we know what is at stake. we are all here together because we love our country.

and i do believe it is the highest form of patriotism to then fight for the ideals of our country and fight, you said it, to realize the promise of america. the promise of america. so, election day is in 19 days. and here in wisconsin, early voting starts next tuesday, october 22nd. so now is the time to make your plan to vote. and if you have received your ballot, if you have received your ballot in the mail, please do not wait. fill it out and return it today. and remember that wisconsin has

same-day voter registration. so if you are not registered to vote, you can register when you vote, and please do vote early or on election day, because the election -- and bring an id. because the election is here. and listen, i'm telling everybody what you already know and have been doing. we have to energize. let's mobilize. let's organize. let's continue in this process also to do what everyone here is doing. let's build community. you know. let's build coalitions. let's remind each other that we are all in this together, and let's remind each other we have so much more in common than what separates us. and let's do all of this knowing

that our vote is our voice, and your voice is your power. so wisconsin, today i then ask you, are you ready to make your voices heard? do we believe in freedom? do we believe in opportunity? do we believe in the promise of america? and are we ready to fight for it? and when we fight, we win. god bless you. god bless the united states of america.

>> vice president kamala harris firing up supporters in wisconsin. wrapping up a campaign event at the university of wisconsin lacrosse, watching along with us, democratic strategist aisha mills and the president of media matters for america, angelo. not to upstage either of you, but mark cuban who introduced the vice president, is making his way to the risers and he's going to pop in and join our conversation in progress. aisha, importantly, she's jumping right in on news of the day. she weighed in on our top story about how donald trump said, talked about january 6th in terms that are totally detached from reality. talked about all the love, while we were on the air, one of the officers who was assaulted that day by trump supporters, tweeted footage of the assault he endured and said this was the love that i received that day. she also weighing in, in very specific and granular terms

about the disinformation she's seeing and hearing in i think what we're all calling the manosphere. something you have been knocking down yourself. >> yeah, you know, what's really exciting is to see the vigor and energy with which she's not afraid to comhim out. there's so much that's happened in the media sphere, especially the interview she dust did, that tries to normalize donald trump. for her to just remind us that the things he says are flat out lies. it is complete detachment from reality, is important. and for her to come hard and say, look, this person is horrible for america and a danger and a threat, is also really meaningful. i think, at least in my perspective, early on, it was hard to kind of break through and do that. trying to make sure that you're not disrespecting people who like him. who you still want to kind of believe in you. i think at this point, all gloves are off and she's coming out and saying he's a liar. he's saying crazy things, and she's not saying this, but his mental faculties also are being

called into question and she's giving us an opportunity to bear witness by telling people to just watch him, listen to him, which is also uncharacteristic for the other person to say, look at the other guy because he's a lunatic. >> watch him is something that's so layered. and i'm not sure trump appreciates any of the layers. she garnered 7.1 million viewers last night on fox news. donald trump, i think his ceiling is 2.5, 3 million on the same net. the idea that even his home turf is more attracted to her field questions from someone who is fox news to the core. i think bret baier wasn't out there, he describes himself as sort of separate from the opinion folks. he didn't present to those 7.1 million viewers that way last night. but the vice president seems to have gained energy from that encounter, and certainly brought it with her to wisconsin, angelo. >> yeah, that's totally right.

and she chose her time well, and she also engaged in the interview well. she went in understanding it was going to be hostile territory. like participating in another campaign's event or a pac, and that's the way she treated it, but instead of being hostile and adversarial. she was consistent and she just really tried to penetrate and pierce the bubble with a few key essential pieces of information, then also her demeanor, which i think was as significant. what the rest of the fox bubble, that doesn't matter. if you watch fox today, how the interview is playing out is they're calling her hostile. they're saying that she got angry. they're saying that she wasn't able to control herself, she was attacking the media and press and her behavior because she can't handle tough questions, that this was the first time she was confronted with follow-up questions because it was the first time she was engaging with journalists. fox is going to lie to its own people, but part of it, too, is part of it makes it harder for trump to perpetuate the lie is

two things. one, these kernels get into the fox bubble, and the second part is the rest of the mainstream media has to stop enabling the lie that trump has all of his faculties together. a sixth of the coverage today to trump's age and acuity is what the top five papers are giving compared to what they gave to biden's age in february. they're not doing their part, either, and in order to get that narrative to shift and draw that contrast, you have to see this terrain and then shift the broader narrative. that's what the interview was designed to do, and it did it. >> i love that you monitor fox news so we don't have to, but what's so interesting, i knot the ratings, they're going to try to tell the 7.1 million people who saw it with their own eyes they didn't see what they thought they saw. what's so amazing is bret baier, who i think was the first person, sort of, not bret baier, but brit hume, he's kind of the guy people go to first. on fox's own air after the

interview wraps and before all the disinformation and talking points have circulated, brit hume comes out and basically gives her strong marks for how she conducted herself. and i actually think some of the strongest moments of the interview are not the ones getting sent around. i think it's when, it shows that even bret baier, someone who is a smart person, whatever you think of his journalism, he's a smart person, is consuming from the tainted supply of disinfo about kamala harris. he presumes a bitterness and anger in her that you would have to presume to try to get her to say she hates trump supporters. she doesn't hate trump supporters. she's run a campaign from the very beginning where she's only interested in contrasting herself with donald trump. she's the most disciplined candidate of the trump era. there's actually never been anyone who has run against donald trump this way, which is why he's like a baby deer on ice. i wonder what you make of sort

of the hope that enough truth will get out in the last 19 days, angelo? >> i think the thing to consider is, i do think -- the way i think about fox is it's poison. it's radicalization, as evidenced by bret baier. whatever you think of him, but the poison got in. it's affected his behavior and world view. you think he would have learned his lesson now, but five days before the 2016 election, he reported a totally bogus story that hillary clinton was about to be reindicted. total bust. he's gone through these periods before. he lives in the poison. that's the effect of it, and to unwind it, it isn't going to be an event. it's not one single thing that sort of is deradicalization. it's a process. dick cheney didn't wake up one day and just decide he was going to endorse kamala harris and vote for her. it was a process. so you need these key pieces of information to as a string of pearls in that process. so on balance and i live in the right wing fever swamp so it's

hard to be optimistic and hopeful, but i know what matters and these kernels do make a difference. they really do matter. they're harder for them to sustain the house of lies when you start to chip away at the foundation like that. and that, i think, i am hopeful about that part of it. >> i guess what i look at is, you know, since this show came on the air, we have tried to say out loud what republicans would only say privately. and there's never a new story on that front. so today, the breaking news when we came on the air is that mitch mcconnell finds trump -- i want to quote him. a despicable human being, and was essentially elated when he was indicted. said if donald trump's crimes on january 6th weren't indictable, i don't know what is. those are mcconnells words. so i think one of the pearls that hopefully are being strung together is that the republicans view trump in the harshest terms of all. jd vance, quote, america's hitler. i have show cased some of the world's greatest critics of

donald trump as a failed businessman and as a twice indicted -- sorry, many times indicted, twice impeached ex-president, but the harshness with which they talk about him privately and the lied they peddle publicly is one of the biggest scams in american politics. >> you have to wonder what is in it for them at the end of the day. so many people at the top of the republican apparatus can't stand him, yet still see him as a standard bearer for something. and is it really to control the masses so they can maintain power? i don't know what it is. but i just find it flabbergasting. the other thing that's interesting to me, though, is you're seeing so many of them peel off. to have so many republicans stand up now and say, we're not here for the craziness. we want to preserve the spirit of our democracy. we don't have to agree with her or the democrats all the time, but we know this is nonsense. i just wonder why that isn't taking hold more among the base. that's the thing that's interesting too because it doesn't seem they necessarily

have the kind of pull and sway that they once did at the leadership. >> someone who peeled off early is mark cuban. he introduced vice president kamala harris at this event that we have been watching. we're making some adjustments to his audio. mark, can you hear us? >> i sure can, nicolle. >> we dipped into your rip roaring takedown of donald trump's tariff malarkey, i think that's the nontechnical term. tell me about the wild reception for you there, people were very happy to see you. tell us about your message today. >> you know, we talk a lot about tariffs and we refer to them as a sales tax and the impact on the economy, which they truly have. what we don't talk about is their impact on small businesses and the actual impact on households. basically what i said is if donald trump is elected and he institutes 60% across the board chinese tariffs, then the people making decisions next christmas on what they're going to buy for their kids, what they're going

to buy for their families for presents, they're not going to be able to afford nearly as much, and somebody is going to have to go without. that's only part one to the problem. part two to the problem is, where they buy in their communities, typically small businesses, small retailers, all those folks, all those small businesses, their cost of goods is going up. and they can't pass those on to consumers, particularly not 60%, and so what happens is consumers stop buying. when consumers stop buying because they can't afford their christmas presents during the most important quarter of the year for businesses, then those businesses may go out of business. and to me, that's the piece that people are missing. tariffs aren't just about the federal or the national economy. it's about individual businesses that put their heart and soul on the line to try to compete and make a living and support their families, and when you put those tariffs in, there's a cascading negative effect. it kills small business. >> you had one of the first reactions that i saw last night

after vice president harris' interview with bret baier. and it was interesting. people were sort of seizing on the bret baier of it all, but you seized on the kamala harris of it all. and i want you to take us through what you think she accomplished for her campaign last night. >> you know, bret had the opportunity to throw the first punch. he was doing the interview, and she took it and hit him right back. she stood up strong. she was responsive. she didn't call him names. she hit him right back. i mean, she was solid. she was measured. she was consistent in her message. there's some questions she didn't want to answer, she took him to somewhere she wanted to go, and that's great, but that's what you do when you have somebody that's just trying to put you down, stand up, be strong. i think truly, that's who she is as a leader. there's nobody who is going to intimidate her. there's nobody who is going to talk her into a corner. she's going to stand up to anybody, show her strength, show her ability to analyze the

circumstances in real time, and like i said, be measured. >> you spend a lot of time in what sarah longwell calls the manosphere. take us through the picture making to men who are sort of disaffected from politics, don't really see themselves as a traditional democrat or republican but think there's something in donald trump for them. >> yeah, i mean, i have talked to people who said they like trump because he's a gangsta. i'm like, that's why you're going to vote for him? i'm like, look, the real world today, different than four years ago, certainly different than eight years ago, is we're truly addicted to social media. i have had three kids, 15, 18, and 21, and it's that scroll, scroll, scroll. for guys in particular, you start with football. you go to another sport, you see women and then all of a sudden you're seeing something that is aggressive. it could be andrew tate, to could be whoever, and it leads you to getten content for donald

trump. when you see those memes repeated hundreds and hundreds of times a day, you can't expect them to all of a sudden start reading to find out if it's true, to find out if the information is accurate. it's just nonstop repetition and that influences their decision making. so the campaign, and we have talked about it, has got to come up and reverse engineer these algorithms and come up with a response. >> one of the purveyors of the algorithms is donald trump's biggest financial backer and most high-profile sort of wing man on the campaign trail, elon musk. i wince when his posts come up in my feed, but you take him on. tell me what you understand about elon musk that maybe we don't. >> i think he's one of the most brilliant entrepreneurs ever. he's an amazing engineer, but he's the world's biggest troll. and trolls, if you just hit them back, they kind of buckle. and so it's easy to mess with them on x/twitter, but the most interesting thing of his involvement with the trump

campaign, you know, a really qualified ceo, a head of the republican party, is going to have a control over his ground game, and there was an interview that he did with ben shapiro, where ben shapiro asked donald trump, you know, i heard positive and negative things about your ground game. can you go into it? donald trump didn't even understand the question. he didn't give him any type of answer at all. that really is the substance behind why elawn musk is so involved. if my candidate doesn't know what to do, doesn't know what a ground game is or how it works, i might take that on. i think that's what he's done both financially and operationally. >> so what is your, you know, sorpt of theory of the case for the best way to combat sort of the algorithm energy, some of it is pro trump, a lot is anti-harris. what is your best idea, your best thinking, your theory of the case for the strongest way

to close and win in 19 days? >> so you have to go where you put donald trump in a catch-22 position. let's talk about deportation. both the vice president and donald trump agree that criminals that are here illegally should be deported. but what he has not said is how he's going to deal with deportation for everybody else. remember, elian gonzalez? remember that image of these cops or militia, whoever they were, coming in with machine guns and a 6-year-old kid cowering in the corner. that's what they need to bring up because that could be a part of donald trump's deportation scheme. they need to talk about what they are going to do, the harris campaign needs to talk about what they're going to do in terms of deportation beyond criminals to put him in a position where the reality is, i think he's going to elian gonzalez family after family, and that's a problem for him. >> he already has. that's the child separation

policy, the subject of a film in movie theaters now. i mean, i guess what you're saying is just take it back to we have everything we need in front of us. we have all the rebukes from former military, the rebukes from real people who live in the real economy. we have the rebukes of his own lived policy. make sure people see it. are you going to be out there every day from now until election day? >> i can't do every day, but i'll be out there where i can be. >> mark cuban, you're welcome here any day. thank you for making time to talk to us. great speech. thank you very much. >> aisha and angelo, i'm going to let you guys go. we're waiting for michael cohen, but to be continued. i think this conversation about the very direct outreach to men getting all this disinfo online is one of the big stories. when we come back, the disgraced ex-president's alarming rantings about what he calls the enemy from within. something that vice president raised today in her speech in

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consider the comments that he made just in the last few days. because he just -- he's got more. he said he will target and

punish those who disagree with him or refuse to bend to his will. he calls these americans the enemy within. and says that he would use the american military to go after american citizens. it is for reasons like these that general mark milley, the former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, donald trump's top general, has called trump, and i quote, fascist to the core. >> vice president kamala harris a few moments ago calling out the ex-president's dangerous claim that some american citizens are what he calls, quote, the enemy from within. and has vowed to pursue them using the united states military. joining us now, donald trump's former lawyer, michael cohen, the host of the michael cohen show on youtube, and your position is this is not hypothetical. this has happened already.

>> it has happened. it happened to me. how many times have i been on this show where i'm talking about how i was unconstitutionally remanded? in fact, tomorrow, on friday, judge sotomayor takes it to meeting before the other justices to make sure whether or not they're going to accept the writ. i'm living proof, the first and only political prisoner held by my own country because i refused to waive my first amendment constitutional rights while he used marshals to get me and remand me back to solitary confinement, while he talks about the military, just replace the word military with the department of justice. he used a willing and complicit attorney general to in the southern district of new york, he determined that the actions of president trump, the usa bill barr, et cetera, was retaliatory. alvin hellerstein added that he did something i never -- forget

about seeing, i never heard of it happening before. and that is he enjoined trump and barr and the government, the doj, from furthering infliction, any injury to my first amendment or constitutional rights. he enjoined them from doing it. what judge enjoins the government, the president, the attorney general from interfering with someone's first amendment or constitutional rights? >> well, if trump has a second term and reshapes the judiciary, none, right? i mean, this was the only branch of government you had to turn to. give folks the background. this wasn't -- this was about your book, not about the original plea? >> no, this was about my book. he was afraid that the book, "disloyal," was critical of him and didn't want it published. so they created a fraudulent document to have me sign that completely impeded my first amendment constitutional right. when i refused to sign the

document, they asked me to wait in the hallway. i did. an hour later three of the biggest marshals you have seen in your life showed up, handcuffed, shackled me, put me in a freezer and sent me back to solitary confinement in otisville for mother 16 days until ultimately my lawyer had me released on a habeas corpus petition. the problem is that petition is no longer valid if in fact trump wins, and he does exactly what he says he will do, rewrite the constitution and he going to destroy our system, get rid of the judiciary and get rid of the congress. >> mike schmidt, my husband, wrote a story about all of the team he already used the department of justice against. the reporting tells the story you are telling, when trump talks about targeting the enemy from within, he already did, he

pursued jim comey, andy mccabe, pursued and jailed you. when you hear the vice president make this argument, you would like that extra point to be made that it's not a hypothetical. it's real. can you tell people what it's like to be an american citizen and have your own government at trump's direction pursue you? >> there is no words to describe it. i can't believe this is the america that we are talking about. this is something you see in russia. this is something you see in saudi arabia, something you see in north korea, in china. you don't see this in the united states of america. but guess what? we do. and that's the type of government that this man is going to run. especially when he turns around and says he wants loyalty oaths taken and given to him by every single person in his administration. there will be no guardrails. so, yes, i want to see the vice president in the last 18, 19 days of this election take it home, explain to the american people that -- and stop using

the words would or could. it will and he has. i am living proof. i am here. i am here as a result of donald trump's weaponization of the department of justice because i was critical of him. that's how thin skinned -- i mean, you know, he turns around and talks about how the democrats talk in bumper stickers, right? well, here's one that maybe they could use. why debate had you can incarcerate? trump doesn't want to debate. his handlers don't want him debating. he is unhinged. i say that in compilation with what we are talking about because he is unhinged. and there are no levers of government, there are no levers of the law or constitution that he is willing to respect in order for us to live lives that we've become accustomed to thanks to our constitution and the democracy of the of this country. >> you know who agreed with you

once was j.d. vance. he described donald trump as america's hitler. we learned today mitch mcconnell described donald trump as a despicable human being and said if the indictments for trump weren't justified, he couldn't think of one that was. you once towed the line. you knew who donald trump was. what makes men like j.d. vance and mitch mcconnell carry trump's water? >> great question. the answer, it's power. also trump's celebrity stardom. when you start to see whether it's laura trump or don jr. or eric trump or any -- j.d. vance and they go out on to these podiums in front of 10,000, 20,000, 50,000 peoplend you hear the applause, they think for a second that the applause are for them and they are basking in trump's light. the problem is on the drop of a dime trump will turn on them. in a drop of a dime, as he did to me, he has no loyalty to anyone or anything other than

himself. right now this entire trump campaign is nothing more than a grift from his cryptocurrency now run by the genius himself eric, right, to, you know, the sale of more maga hats. whatever it might be. everything is a grift. that's all. you know, i said to along time ago that when we were in 2016 and trump said, i don't want to spend any money on this campaign, that this campaign -- because he never expected to win -- was going to be the greatest infomercial in the history of u.s. politics. guess what? he is doing it again. >> we are still there. >> we are. >> injury insights and experiences, i know, they are painful but invaluable. thank you. >> we need the vice president to do what i am saying. take it home. explain to the american people when he says something, believe it. >> you heard it right here. >> you did. >> thank you. michael cohen, thank you for spending time with us. another break for us. we'll be right back. we'll be right back.

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