>> reporter: i think the americans want deescalation, benjamin netanyahu sees this as a war on seven fronts. not only iran, hezbollah, gaza but militias in iraq and houthis in yemen and syria and he, he wants to bring it to a conclusion to some degree. now how it can be done, without ongoing regional war is, to me, the most profound question here. >> bitter irony being exactly that regional that was an aim of that massacre and bloodshed on october 7th. david, thank you very much, appreciate it. >> thank you. that is "all in" on this thursday night. alex wagner tonight starts right now. good evening, alex. good evening my friend. extraordinary day in a war that never seems to end >> yeah. >> thank you, as always

>> you got it. t-minus 19 days and that sound you hear somewhere in the background is the collective crunching of 100 million antacids as voters across the country tie to soothe their election induced acid reflux. and i mean, you know, for good reason, right? for weeks now the polls basically have been locked. this is a dead heat. 2024 is on track to be one of the closest elections in modern history. but the reality is, the time for worrying about those polls and fretting over 1% here, 1% there, that time is over. this election is all about one thing now. which campaign can get more of its voters to show up to the polls and vote. and the harris campaign is working overtime to turn out every constituency they can. harris is reaching out to young black men by talking to the

wildly popular radio show host the charlamain, and trump is staying mostly in a safe space n. this case means talking essentially to right wing internet trolls and bros and the man overs. at a rally today, harris had contrast of two very different media strategy. >> last night you may have seen i went on fox news. [ cheers and applause ] and while i was doing that, donald trump was at a univision town hall where a voter asked

him about january 6th and what did donald trump say last night about january 6th? he called it a quote, a day of love. the american people are exhausted with his gaslighting. exhausted. [ cheers and applause ] exhausted with his gaslighting. enough. woe are ready to turn the page! [ cheers and applause ] now, we will have more about trump's incredibly revealing moment at that town hall coming up in just a bit. but, kamala harris is not just ramping up her media hits and her big speeches, she is also blitzing the airwaves. today, the campaign released three new ads as part of a $370 million campaign in battleground states. here is a look at some of them. when i was 5 i began getting sexually abused by my step father and he got me

pregnant what i was 12. >> 64,000 pregnancies of rain have occurred in states with total abortion bands and trump did this. >> if he wins he will ignore all checks that reign in a president's power. a second term, unhinged and unchecked. >> when it comes to politics some would prefer to run on a problem than solve it. i believe in solving problems. my plan lowers costs for groceries, medicine, housing. let's turn the page on the politics of pettiness and chart a new way forward. those are the official harris campaign ads that are debuting today. harris is also being supported by a super pack with $700 million in the bank. it is dedicated to data-tested campaign ads, ads tested with clinical precision in a hidden bunker somewhere in super pack land. i am not really kidding. [ laughter ] now, contrast that with the trump campaign.

a campaign that has out sourced much of theom operations to a elon musk-run super pac. a campaign that reportedly spent $19 million on antitrans advertising, ads that air 55,000 times since october 1st. that, that is the closing message from the trump campaign or at least the super pac in the air wars of the 2024 election cycle. trump is spending all of his time on podcast circuit where he has conversations like this one. >> kama, la, who is apparently black, up 41. >> what do you mean apparently. >> that is what they are telling me. >> no, no, see, i would never say a thing like that. but you say it. explain what you mean. i don't want to get you in

trouble. >> no. >> i was going to throw it on to your shoulders. no, you know, you could explain it. >> i am comfortable explaining it. overnight doing a show she is supposed to be indian and now it is black. it is not landing with the average american. >> joining me now is dan piper senior advisory of pod save america and the author of the message box news letter. also with me, friend and colleague. political strategist and former advisory to george bush and john mccain. dan you are my friend we just have not worked together. thank you both for being here. i know there is a strategy behind the strategy. i am just having a hard time understanding exactly what it is. to be drawn into, willingly a conversation about kamala harris blackness 2-1/2 weeks before election does not seem to be where you want to be. i wonder if you have a smarter take on this, dan, what is the

anti-transbliss, the bro podcast, how do they see the end of the game playing out going into november 5th? >> the trump campaign has a clear plan. the problem with the plan is that donald trump is their candidate and he is stepping on himself every time he goes out in public. a strategy going behind the podcasts just not sure he is executing the plan. they are trying to turn out low voters who do not engage with political news, young, onlinemen. the way you reach them, you do podcasts with large followings on youtube and tiktok and it gets in their feed. trump is not maximizing the opportunities because he is donald trump, he was never great and he he declined right before our eyes. >> i understand the man overse, just the conversations that happen once he is on these podcasts. i don't know how they advance

his cause. i wonder when you look at the two media strategies, you are a media guy, take off a partisan hat one way or the other, who is more effective, i say it genuinely. there are people who think trump is doing what he needs to do to close the sale. who has a consistent strategy and trump strategy is changing all over the place. he is doing some of the podcasts but look at what he his canceled. 60 minutes, cnbc, second debate, nra rally. meanwhile, harris is going in on fox. call her daddy podcasts, going everywhere. she looks strong and confident and he looks weak. in any presidential campaign, what people are looking at is the appearance and perception of strength in their candidate. i mean the trolling she did at

the rally about the protesters go to the wrong rally, go to the smaller one down the street that is barack obama level performance, right? >> very good [ laughter ] i agree with mark. they are saying harris must be desperate because she is going on fox. at the same time, trump is, he is canceling a number of high profile media interviews. do you think in hindsight she got what she needed to get out of that interview? >> absolutely she did. she looked strong, handled bret, handled interruptions. seven million people watched it. you know what the number one market was? pittsburgh, pennsylvania. you do not go on it because you are desperate but confident. trump's is to hide him as much

as they can from voters over the last 17 or 18 days whatever it is because he turns out the democratic base, can repel swing voters, works better as an idea of a period with lower egg prices and pre-pandemic in people's eyes. the more he talks the worse it is for him. >> i wonder, mark, again as a media guy, the ad strategy here. you know, harris has ads that cover the waterfront, right? it is everything from trump's antidemocratic tendencies to her economic plan to the country to the question of abortion, we played some of them. those are the official campaign, and then future forward which we will talk about in a second. trump's closing message or that of his super pac is an anti- transmessage. can you talk to me about that and how you, the republican party thinks that is a good idea? the winning message? that is your walk out music in the closing days of the race? >> reporter: you know, another mistake campaigns make they

look in the rear view mirror. this is a find a bogeyman and then just double down on it. they don't have a positive message. all they can do is damage harris because she has upside, he has a ceiling, she is growing, and she has got, you know, democrats enthusiastic by 10 more points than trump, gender gap advantage. so, all they can do is try to scare voters about a policy that was operative under donald trump. it is not kamala harris it is trump. so, the policy is not different under biden administration than in the trump administration. you would not know that from the commercials. listen, i think more broodily she is on offense, she is -- i just feel like the physicals of the race changed in the last few days, she is balling, he is stalling. you just feel it moving and, like at the rally today she is just, she is loose and focused and by the way she is taking it

to trump and she is talking about what kind of a country do we want to live in, it is a good closing message, i happening the answer is kamala harris is her leadership. >> she is, she is balling and he's stalling, we are going to make a bumper sticker out of that. dan, future forward, a wash in money, $7million, secret organization that -- 750 million secret organization, according to their clinical findings, if you will, antitrump attack ads are not effective at moving the voters harris needs to move. first of all, i mean i wonder if that sounds right to you, if that is being rigorously tested how do you explain the disconnect between what, the super pac are not coordinating with the campaigns but harris is out there going after trump as mark says, almost religiously at the big rallies that she is having and it is

definitely part of her closing message. >> i think future forward would say is the best ads are contrast ads, positive information about harris and negative about trump. that sounds right to me. if you look at the "new york times," national poll after the debate there were more than a quarter of voters say they needed to hear more from kamala harris only 10% voters need to hear more from trump. you still want to talk to those voters but the key, what will get them is get to her higher ceiling as mark referenced and people under standing who she is, stands for and what she will do. all of that exists in contrast of trump, he will go for billionaires and corporations, stuff like that. but there is still more work to do. people want to be for her, they like her more than trump but they want to know more before they pull the lever or fill in the bubble or however we are doing it in their state. i agree with their approach.

not inconsistent with the campaigns. >> i wonder when we talk about where everybody's heads are at. how, how much the polling matters not as a sign of who is going to win but in terms of changing the vibe shift, if you will, how much it is a matter of instilling confidence in your team if you will, your voters ahead of election day and if that will translate to a victory mark. dan has written very, very essentially if you will. on his substack about these excess of conservative polls that have come out and who those are meant to do. he makes a point and i will let you talk about this more in a second dan. on first count the polls are coming up. they are being put out by conservative outlets because republicans believe in a bandwagon effect if politics. they believe that undecided voters will side with the

person that they think will win. polls show trump will win then undecided voters will feel confident going to the ballot box. the polls showing trump winning are for the big lie 2.0. they must argue that trump would have won absent phantom voter fraud, and when he loses he will be holding up that the election was stolen. trump voters, undecided want to vote for the winning side? >> reporter: everyone wants to vote for the winning side. i think republicans are better at this. great at putting out polls creating artificial confidence and just creating a bandwagon effect, democrats are great at bedwetting and whining over every poll. i just wrote about it in vanity fair. i think it is a fair point that they are, republicans are trying to create a bandwagon effect with the polls that are very suspect, and you just have to put that away and say

listen, polls are either rigged by republican voters to create a bandwagon or models around the 2020 election which was an election that people may of voted for joe biden, i did, but they were not excite about it. may of voted for trump, those voters were not excited about it. who are they excited about? they are excited are about kamala harris. look at the enthusiasm. it is a turnout game. there are no undecided it is who is going to vote. if you have an enthusiasm event it will be harris. >> i will take issue with the bedwetting thing because dan, i know you talked about it, it is a really close race if you are worried if you are a democrat or a republican and you are worried here that is not baseless t is an insaneless tight race. >> i think panic is good. >> yes. panic is good. bedwetting is great.

>> and your second point in this writing, dan, that these junk polls will be used to justifiy election fraud is reason for everybody to panic? >> yeah, absolutely. mark is saying democrats and republicans approach is different, they want to create an image they are going to create and we want people to worry that they will lose and turn out. the trump people have not accounted for is, when barack obama was running, high turnout was good for us. all of the voters said was going to vote for barack obama if they turned out. the opposite is true in this race the lower voters, people less likely to vote are leaning more pro trump. so, they are using an old playbook for what may be a new environment. for the big lie, everything trump is doing here is to set up for an attempt and ability to contest the election by whatever means necessary afterwards and these polls are a piece of that plan. >> dan and mark, thank you guys both for your time.

great to see you. >> coming up, elon musk. remember that guy, he held his first solo campaign event in pennsylvania. we will get into how the leader of dark maga did at his first big event. first, no administration has done more for organized labor than the biden/harris administration. why is the relationship not more resippical. i will ask bernie sanders about that, coming up next bernie sa that, coming up next nice to meet ya. my name is david. i've been a pharmacist for 44 years. when i have customers come in and ask for something for memory, i recommend prevagen. number one, because it's effective. does not require a prescription. and i've been taking it quite a while myself and i know it works. and i love it when the customers come back in and tell me, "david, that really works so good for me." makes my day. prevagen. at stores everywhere without a prescription.

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. resident of erie county, pennsylvania, proud member of the sheet workers union and president of the local arm of afi, cio. he is a swing voter. sanders of profiled by the inquirer, harris is a better friend to labor than trump he still does not feel like he really knows her or what she plans to do as president. sanders says he will probably make upper his mind in the voting booth. now, that echoes what i heard when i spoke to union members in saginaw, michigan last month. >> i am undecided because i just haven't, haven't seen enough of it yet. i need to pay closer attention

and kind of do more independent research before i make my judgment. >> the lukewarm feelings from rank and file union members are part of the problem that democrats are facing right now in a race that could not be tighter. as vox reports t remains the case, under biden democrats have seen their poll numbers with union voters decline as the presidential supports their interests increased. joining me now to unpack all of this is vermont senator, bernie sanders, senator sanders thank you for being here. helping me understand this phenomenal. i think a lot of people would be surprised to know that kamala harris is on track to do worse among union households than hillary clinton did in 2016 and even joe biden. nbc news found biden winning 50% of voters from union households, do you have a theory on why that support is

not stronger given everything that the biden/harris administration has done for unions? >> reporter: well, i think at a time, alex, of massive income, wealth and equality, at a time when 60% of the people are living paycheck to paycheck, at a time with a broken very expensive health care system, a time where we are the only major country not to provide medical and family leave, a time when we have more income and wealth and equality than we ever have, i think democrats have not been strong enough in standing up and saying look, we got a rigged economy. the rich are becoming much richer, you have three people more wealth than the bottom half and working people are struggling and we, democrats, we are going to stand with the working people and we are going to do the things that need to be done to improve life for millions of people. what does it mean? it means raising the minimum wage to a living wage.

and it is hard for me to understand why kamala harris has not come out on that issue. it is important to point out how terrible trump's labor record was. and is. this is a guy you may recall did a call with elon musk and they were laughing about how it might be a good idea to fireworkers who went on strike. this is trump -- fire workers who went on strike. as a private businessman i hated paying overtime. millions of peoples lives depend on time and a half and over time. he appointed extremely right wind antilabor secretary of labor. we got to make that clear. but equally important it is no great secret that for many, many years biden being the exception, biden has been very, very strong on labor issues, but we have got to make it clear, speak as an independent

who caucuses with the democrats which side we are on. side we are on taking on big money standing up for working families. >> i hear what you are saying but the reality is joe biden saved the teamster's pension fund that amounts to roughly $100,000 for pension. this is a man who walked the picket line in a way no other american president in modern history has done. joe bind was still only getting 50% of union support. it sort of begs the question, is it something else? is it independent of joe biden's record? just take harris out of the equation, joe biden was only getting 50% of their support. is it education? >> i am not quite sure about that alex. the polling i have seen suggested that kamala harris is not doing as well as biden did. and i think among working class people there was a lot of

support for biden. not as much as i would like to see but there was, because, he has the strongest pro-labor record of any president since franklin roosevelt. >> i wonder, you talk about the contrast in these two tickets, right? all of the things trump said, his record, and then you have the filings from this month about who is supporting trump's candidacy. it is a group of billionaires, it is dick uihlein that contributed $50 million, timothy mellon $50 million, elon musk, we talked about, miriam adelson, $95 million. how can there be a argument that it is not in the pocket of the ultrarich. funneling hundreds of millions. >> the argument is, look, i can understand it. you are right, but you know, for example, it would be

appropriate to my mind for kamala harris to make that very point. that increasingly in america we have a political system and by the way yes, you are right, a small number of republican billionaires are putting unbelievable amounts of money but democratic billionaires are funding the democratic party as well. what we need is somebody to say we can not have an economy and a political system dominated by billionaires. you know what i think? a lot of republicans would say that is right, independents, democrats would say that is right. most importantly, people are hurting and they need to know that somebody is standing up and fighting for them. they are not stupid. they see the people on top doing phenomenally well. unprecedented level of corporate greed. who is standing up and fighting for them? i think kamala harris has to be strong. look, she brought forth a number of good ideas. housing crisis, building three

million units, very important, child expanding and extending the child tax credit so we deal with the horrific level of childhood poverty in america, enormously important. supporting the pro act. important, expanding medicare to cover home health care. wow, that is a big, big deal. hearing and vision, enormously important. but you got to emotionally, not just reinforce the ideas i am ready to take on the big money and interest. i am on your side. next time there is a strike, i will be there on the picket line. i understand that you can't afford health care. i will be there. we will all join the rest of the industrialized world. maybe not tomorrow but we will to guarantee health care to every man, woman and child. but emotionally, i think, working class people got to say hey, see that lady there, she is on my side, she has my vote. trump is sought there, he has his