stakes in this senate election for the voters of arizona? >> for the voters of arizona it is whether or not he will have someone who is actually going to fight for you or divide you and other arizonans in order to get power because that is what carrie lake will do. she will say anything just to get power and then we all lose as a state. also if you are a woman are you going to have safe access to abortion? i am running against somebody said in 1864 abortion ban which had no acceptance was a great law and was sad when she thought of the attorney general was not going to force that and was asking for sheriffs to enforce that abortion ban. this is someone who is extremely dangerous and should not be trusted with a vote in the senate. having me there is another safety net essentially to make sure that women have a right to abortion. >> your opponent says i do not believe in abortion.

abortion is the ultimate sin. that could not be clearer for arizona voters about the difference between you on that issue. >> we have to keep on communicating to make sure we do understand that because she has tried to lie and change her position so many times. we do not actually track it. for those that want to know more about her please go to ruben gallego for arizona.com or support us and get the message out about her. because we really need to continue to inform people about how dangerous she is when it comes to abortion rights. she will be for an outright abortion ban. >> what is the closing issue for your campaign in the final days?>> we will continue to talk about the freedoms that are a threat. the freedom for women to control their bodies. our actual opportunity when it comes to be able to have jobs that actually create a living

situation where you can pay the rent. you can continue to live the american dream. wells about the fact we need to make sure we are preserving democracy. one of the reasons why we have been successful getting a lot of republicans to cross over and support us is because i still believe what i did at the age of 20, which is to hold up my right hand and swear to protect the constitution of the united states. they will deny the election only to get them more power. they will divide us americans in order for them to get more power and use it for themselves. that is a closing message. we are here to fight for arizona families. they are there to fight for themselves so they can end up profiting for themselves and not for your family in arizona.>> thank you very much for joining us tonight.

>> thank you. coming up. new book the message is written as a letter to his writing students and it is full of invaluable lessons about writing in the world including discoveries that he made about how his previous books are being read around the world, and some places that surprised him. urprised him.

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to advance and delve into an understanding of a complexity that we haven't figured out in 10,000 years. so i applaud that, and your writing is so beautiful, so thank you so much. >> that takes care of the quickest and most articulate way to deal with my review for our next guest new book because i agree word for word. with all the attention the book has received you might not know the book tells three stories, and only one of them is about israel. we will try in our limited time tonight to discuss each of this story. it is worth a minimum of an hour of tv discussion itself and please take this discussion as an invitation to actually read the book in full. if there is anything here not that interests you because a book

can never be judged by discussions about the book or discussions by or about the author. i saw some criticisms of the book i thought might be valid until i read the book. he may have valid criticisms after reading the book, but please do not get tricked into the anti-intellectualism of finding fault with it that you have not read. i have been to each of the three places described in this book and my understanding of those places has been deepened and enhanced by what ta-nehisi coates sees and feels there. it begins with africa. years ago after what i think was my seventh trip to africa i wrote africa grabs your heart as soon as you get off the plane and doesn't give it back at the airport when you leave. that is not just my experience.

that is what i have heard from every american who makes the first trip to africa. this is some of what he saw and felt on his first date in africa on the atlantic coast of senegal. >> for the first of many times in my trip i looked out on the atlantic ocean, now mere feet away. from my table i could see the waves breaking gently against the beach. and memory from the other side now washed over me. i am 10 and with my mother in berlin, maryland. at the far end of the state eastern shore. on this trip we are staying with my aunt and uncle. we visit cousins and other aunts and uncles all of them seem to live along the same small country road. then we drive to the ocean, and i take a blue and yellow inflatable raft and wade out into the breakers, away from america. and now, decades later, here i am staring back from the other side. >> joining us now is ta-nehisi

coates. author of the message. thank you so much for joining us tonight. i want to begin concentrating on the first part of the book because it is such an important story. i have heard a version of it. always less eloquent. and less brilliantly put. by every american i know. first steps foot in africa. >> i think that is because the history of slavery weighs so much, and because our perceptions of africa justify and inform that system. i do not know that there is another place in the world you can go that has that kind of weight and that much stuff that you have to sift through to see what is actually there. and for african americans

themselves this is doubly so. because in our hearts we carry the weight of that. we carry the weight of those negative ideas. you were taken from africa where you were nothing. did nothing. and you should be lucky to be here. and to go back to try to see the place as a place where human beings live and do things . normal human things. at the same time at the place where we were born. the side of our death in some sense and creation and another sense. >> i imagine you are passing through jfk and meet some african americans who are on their way to africa. their very first time. because this is tv that is why i created it like this. you only have a minute. they want your advice about what they are going to experience when they get there.>> try not to see the ghost. look past the ghost and see the people.

i mean your ancestors. everything that you left. that was the hardest thing. that is kind of what the excerpt was about. i felt like i was making a pilgrimage to the grave of some great uncle who is really important to my family, and one of those was not until the end that i could begin to see the people in senegal. in and of themselves and not just arctic acts of memory. >> let's go back across the ocean because that is what the book does. crosses to the ocean to one of those states where slaves were brought to south carolina. you go to south carolina because one of your books has been banned at a school in south carolina, and you write about what you think that is all about. let's listen to this. >> i thought how it all works

not to misinform, but to assure the right answers are memorized. but that the wrong questions are never asked. and i thought about myself back in baltimore and what i was being trained for. i was saved by the books in my house. by the implicit message that learning does not belong exclusively in schools. who would i be left to the devices of those who seek to shrink education, to make it orderly and pliable? i don't know. but i know what i would not be. a writer. >> you make the point a couple of months down that your view of all of these confederate monuments and this attempt to limit why students in south carolina from being exposed to anything about slavery or any other kind of writing is not so

much or as much as glorifying the past that it might be it is to rob people of their future. >> yeah. i do not think it is an accident. i have had a lot of time to think about this. books are dangerous because people's children take them into their room and they have their own relationship with them. one that the parents can't interfere in because it begins with your imagination interfacing with the words, and you have this unique relationship with the private space. it is very powerful. some author from new york city can write something, and your child can interface with that and have their own relationship or lessons or morals. my parents were not afraid of that. i was raised in the house with the idea you would have your own imaginative space. it was a beautiful thing.

if you are interested in hierarchy. if you are interested in organizing the world in the way it was organized when you were a child i understand why that could be dangerous. >> we are going to squeeze in a break and get two more of ta- nehisi coates's new book. we will be right back.

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we're back with ta-nehisi coates. some of the most, some of the harshest things said about what the israeli government is doing in israel are set by israelis. it is my own experience traveling to israel.

this is a former israeli soldier who told you this story. i was a sergeant so one of my soldiers sort of calls up and says, hey, hey, come quickly, i need your help. i got there and the situation was a father standing with his daughter in his own home trying to take her to the bathroom. my soldier was standing there with his gun cocked in the face of his father. his daughter is sending the between his legs petrified. when i got there she already peed her pence. that was one of the moments where i was like, what the f are we doing? who is this for? >> yeah. yeah. i spent 10 days there. five days was led by a group of palestinians. the next five days was his release. most were veterans who were taking me to places where they actually had been on patrol. it

was very educational because for whatever reason, geopolitics or whatever, i think most of us are most exposed to, the perspective of israeli mobility. problems are waived away with complication. not the kind of complication that can be comprehended. for me to see how stark the moral challenges were over there, not easy to solve. the clarity of the morality was surprising to me and shocking. >> the answer you would get from israeli government officials and from many israelis -- the answer to that, what are we doing here? this is what we have to do for our security. this is what we have to do to prevent them from coming through our door. >> yes. the problem with that is as a

child of jim crow, and a child of enslavement, i have heard that before. people really should read the reasons people used to justify slavery and jim crow. it was not that we are evil. it was safety. almost always safety. thomas jefferson says that we have the wolf by the ear. he is describing, the enslaved person is the wolf. that's a dangerous thing. when people made appeals for jim crow having to remain, they reported the crime rates. if we take this down we will not be safe. i'm sure if you researched apartheid in south africa, it is the same thing. doing the right thing sometimes is not safe. that is not to disregard israeli life or palestinian life. we are called not to think about physical safety, the safety of our souls.

>> apartheid in south africa, the first time i heard the term used apply to israel was from israelis and politicians. you have in your book, who is serving in benjamin netanyahu's defense minister, he said as long as the territory west of the jordan river, only one political entity called israel will be non-jewish or nondemocratic if this block of millions of palestinians cannot vote, that will be an apartheid date -- state. there were senators who are privately saying this in the 1990s to the israeli government. many officials were worried about making sure we steer away from an apartheid state. >> you can add to that, the former prime minister. you can add reports of multiple human rights organizations from amnesty international and the

testimony of the people i talked to over there. i heard one of the criticisms being that you only spent 10 days there. i talked to people who lived there for generations. the word that came up constantly was apartheid. i was little puzzled when i returned about why there was so much debate over this? there seems to be broad agreement across that it is actually that. >> i heard you say that this is the only thing somebody should read. >> it is not. >> there is a passage there that is strong and emotional. someone speaking to president biden from a member of the war cabinet when he was in israel. he said that his message was to the president,did not come to israel to hide. that was his statement.

he was talking about his own daughter who has a hiding place at home in case the worst happens. after october 7th the fear is all over the country that it could happen anywhere. is seemed to me that it captured the intensity of the emotion that israelis are living with now. >> i understand that. that is a real thing. my politics are humanist. not to disregard the life, liberty, and pursuit and happiness of any human being. israeli or palestinian. i am forced to say that as concerned as we should be about the legacy of october 7th and victims, we have to be concerned of the legacy of october fifth, fourth, and first. what gaza was before and our contribution to making it that way. connect the new message is

called the masses. i cannot thank you enough for joining us. >> thank you for talking about the book. we will be right back. it's an idea whose time has come.

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