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with less than three weeks to go the candidates have one last chance to make their final pitch. donald trump was in the non- swing state of new york shaking hands with a few guys in a
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bureau of the bronx. barbershop. a striking contrast to the enthusiastic response vice president kamala harris and tim olson will clinton received in wisconsin and north carolina. harris just finished speaking in green bay. our third stop of the day. earlier she was in milwaukee and traveled across the state to lacrosse where she deflected antiabortion protesters at the rally with these. >> donald trump and select the three members of the u.s. supreme court. with the intention that they would undo the protections of roe v. wade and they did as he intended. oh, you are at the wrong rally. [ cheers and applause ] no.
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i think you meant to go to the smaller one down the street. [ cheers and applause ] >> today harris and walz made the case that trump is not just unfit to be president but is a genuine threat to american democracy. >> if there's anybody in your life who really meant when donald trump said he called for a bloodbath after the selection, they think he is just talking, i have to tell you this, you remember 2016. the way he talked. this is not that trump even. this is something more deranged, something more desperate. maybe to stay out of prison and with j.d. vance there there are no guardrails. >> general mark milley, the former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, donald trump's top general has called trump and i quote fascist to the core.
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and it is clear that donald trump is increasingly unstable and unhinged. and will stop at nothing to claim unchecked power for himself. >> donald trump will have a chance to respond when he speaks to the al smith dinner later tonight. annual tradition for presidential elections. in event kamala harris will attend in on tape. the latest campaign trail news means for the election 19 days away? ys away?
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trump has been canceling interviews left and right in the waning days of his campaign for found time to appear in a podcast released earlier today where he blamed ukraine's president for his country getting invaded by russia. >> i think president zelenskyy is one of the greatest salesman i've ever seen. every time he comes in we give them $100 billion. who else got that in history? that doesn't mean i don't want to help him. i feel badly for those people. but he should never have let that war start. >> michelle goldberg is a columnist for "the new york times", americas on the brink of great political realignment. the campaign manager for the sanders campaign on the
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executive director of a more perfect union and they join me. i will start with this sum is superficial but to me legitimate thing. he sounds really weird. donald trump. he has this brando apocalypse now thing going on with his voice. the trains of thought of got shorter and shorter and more aggressive and doing a lot of media, mostly with friendly outfits like that podcast. when you look at the answers, it's nonsense. >> it is unintelligible. if you printed it in a newspaper verbatim it would look like a random word generator. i still think, the collective we are and are reacting to that passaro musical event that he did the other night. if joe biden had done anything remotely similar, done it for five minutes never mind 40 minutes, swaying on a stage
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while playing music and saying nothing well everybody pretended it was normal and looked around awkwardly and tried to figure out how to respond, the calls for joe biden to get out of the race, the calls for anyone else to get out of the race, our ability to understand or talk about what's normal is so out of whack. obviously, trump being simitian is pretty far down the list of reasons why he should not be president. nevertheless, there is something going on. >> i joked that it's like the food is terrible and the portions are too small. do you really want -- >> can't accomplish anything. >> there is a choice with trump on what you are hitting him on. it's interesting that they have been going on the democracy stuff. general milley, the threat he's been making, january 6 but at the same time when you look at their ad spend, the ads are very
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meat and potatoes. he's for billionaires. will give billionaires a tax cut we will look upper-middle- class votes. they are covering both of those lanes in different ways. what do you think? >> i think you are right about the ad strategy. an appeal to working-class people. when you look at the events have done and you have my cuban today and efforts to speak to crypto and efforts to distance, i understand we have a big tent and have to appeal to everybody but here's bernie sanders, elizabeth warren, working-class people, she will do an event tomorrow. don't lose that. we work best, biden 2020, all the above coalition. michelle the quote to 2016 which democratic leaders were singing for every working-class vote we lose in western pa we will gain a philadelphia. that was wrong. when you're leaking from the
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working-class bucket, that's a big bucket. you want to fight for that bucket. >> this realignment, everyone is swimming upstream with this realignment. it's happening. the biden administration has done a ton and by realignment i mean noncollege voters, moving toward republican maga across racial and demographic lines. college-educated women, women with degrees and advanced degrees moving towards democrats. the question of, what do you do with that gravity? that's a question for both campaigns. >> you go to war with the coalition you have a not what you want. joe biden had a theory which is at democrats have lost working- class and bleeding working- class support because of their economic policies. because of nafta and free trade in off shoring and all these things.
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he is going to start making the investments that a pro-worker democratic party needs to make. having the industrial policy that a pro-worker democratic party needs. those are correct regardless of the political benefits. the political benefits have been scammed and it could be it takes a much longer time to rebuild that trust. kamala harris doesn't have a much longer time. there are a lot of -- there weren't enough disaffected republicans to save hillary clinton but there are a significant block of them out there. they are the reason arizona is dominated by democrats when it used to be dominated by republicans. where democrats are the third smallest party in the state. >> a question about trump, how much is doing media, there are different views on this which is
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one school is more attention to him the better for him because that's what he feeds off and the others more the attention on him because people don't like him that much. he's doing a lot of friendly media and canceled interviews. where are you on that particularly down the stretch. >> i tend to believe the majority of americans are not for trump. 81 million votes against him last time and i'd like to believe that will remain the case. i think they have a cap too. the cost of being mocked by their critics is less because it's baked in with the sense they need to mobilize a certain number of people what they have identified and however he will say whatever he will say somehow but to mobilize that base and that's who they are talking to. there is less persuasion for him but for kamala harris is having gone to michigan and wisconsin, people are open to her. union halls were not sold but they are open for her. i don't
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want to see us lose and talking to some of these folks. you and i have watched her try to distance herself from biden. there's a way you do that successfully. i wish joe biden got harder at housing costs. one of the for six i will do is go after -- i wish you had gone stronger social security or minimum wage. that's a way to distance and appeals to some of these votes we need. >> it's interesting how much housing has been central on the policy agenda. i also remain a little skeptical how much policy matters. i would like it to but it's not clear as an empirical matter. >> it may not be policy but it's understanding of i know your life. i know what you are going through and that matters. >> thank you very much. the mastermind of the october 7 attacks is killed. what it means for the war in gaza. gaza.
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today, israel confirmed that yahya sinwar, the leader of hamas is dead. hamas is decimated and their leadership is eliminated. this moment gives us an opportunity to finally end the war in gaza. and, it must end such that israel is secure. the hostages are released. the suffering in gaza ends and the palestinian people can realize her right to dignity, security, freedom, and self- determination. >> the head of hamas and masterminded the act over seven attacks is dead. yahya sinwar, top target of the
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israeli military managed to evade capture for a lower a year until now. they killed him during a firefight in gaza that was not targeted towards him. they didn't figure out where he was. the israeli military release this footage they claim shows sinwar before he was killed. his face covered throwing a stick in defense of the drone. nbc news has not confirmed this video shows sinwar. the editor the new yorker published a lengthy profile on sinwar detailing his time in israeli prisons and speaking to people who knew him including a dennis to treated prisoners and spent hundreds of hours talking to him. the doctor asked whether achieving his goals was worth the lives of many and innocent people and he replied you ready to sacrifice 20,000, 30,000, 100,000. joining me is david, editor-in- chief of the new yorker. it's titled notes from the underground. i went to ask people to read it
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because it's a remarkable piece of reporting. some of the best i've seen about the conflict over the past year. what is the meaning of today for this conflict that after a year of evading what were very intense efforts to get him, sinwar is now dead ? >> the meaning is the architect of october 7, the chief leader of hamas in gaza is no more. he was a maximalist in negotiations about the hostages and much else. the meaning beyond that depends a great deal on the israeli leadership. you showed kamala harris saying this was a great opportunity for a breakthrough. the words of benjamin netanyahu were slightly different. he said this is not over. what he means by that is unclear. does he mean that the battle with hezbollah and iran is not
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over or does he mean in extent to gaza? he was fake. he has got a very extreme coalition in power. that he caters to and plays off the rest of the political situation in israel. that remains to be seen. >> sinwar you mentioned, part of the military arm and was in gaza and the political leadership had been an exile neck gave him a kind of credibility. he was there in gaza. he was a maximalist and a believer in violence as the means of resistance at moments when there were debates within hamas about maybe changing. about a sort of, a different approach, internal factional fights, he was a hardliner. after this brutal year of so much death and distraction with
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a lot of hamas leadership and fighters decimated, what is after that? you can say, great, something better will come in the other when you look at afghanistan, the taliban found themselves fighting isis or even more violent. >> right. the ramifications of what happened since october 7 and the death of 40,000 palestinians will be felt for years to come. the question is, there are many questions, regional and internal in israel and gaza. let's start with gaza. i think hatred and grief a balance in gaza and for good reason. i think it spreads to the israelis for this assault after october 7 that has gone on for a year and the death of so many
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women and children and civilians as well as hamas fighters and directed at sinwar for beginning this in october 7 is interesting the last time i was there. foreign reporters are not getting into gaza for anything longer than a few hours. when i was in the west bank, i sensed greater support in some areas for hamas than in gaza where the main suffering is. i'm not saying there was suffering in the west bank. what did sinwar want? sinwar wanted to do many things, and he succeeded at them, not only to have this enormous attack coming out of gaza and into israel proper, but he was hoping it would inspire a regional conflict
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because he saw as soon estates were starting to make alliances and agreements with israel. to some extent, he succeeded beginning october 8, hezbollah started firing missiles into israel and they went back and forth. now we have ground invasion into lebanon. we have had back and forth between iran for the first time and israel itself. how this ends is very much up in the air. i would hope, to be honest, what remains of saying heads would sees this as an opportunity to bring down not only tensions but the killing which has been so terrible, but there are a lot of moving parts. one of them is the american election as well. i don't think it is a stretch to say that netanyahu has a favorite in the selection.
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and it's not kamala harris. >> in the last minute, to your point, it was clear to date the biden statement, kamala harris, and netanyahu were not on the same page. they say, here is an opportunity to bring this to a close. netanyahu says we are not done. that feels like waiting, we have gone through this every week for a year. >> i think americans want a de- escalation, netanyahu sees it as a war on seven fronts, not only iran, hezbollah, gaza but also militias in iraq and the houthis in yemen as well as syria. he wants to bring it to a conclusion to some degree. how that can be done without ongoing regional or is, to me, th

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