>> in the last minute, to your point, it was clear to date the biden statement, kamala harris, and netanyahu were not on the same page. they say, here is an opportunity to bring this to a close. netanyahu says we are not done. that feels like waiting, we have gone through this every week for a year. >> i think americans want a de- escalation, netanyahu sees it as a war on seven fronts, not only iran, hezbollah, gaza but also militias in iraq and the houthis in yemen as well as syria. he wants to bring it to a conclusion to some degree. how that can be done without ongoing regional or is, to me, the most profound question. pr

appreciate it. >> thank you. >> that is "all in" on this thursday night. alex wagner tonight starts right now. good evening, alex. >> good evening, my friend. an extraordinary day in a war that neverry seems to end. t-minus 19 days until november 5th. and that sound you hear somewhere in the background is the collective crunching of 100 million anteacids as voters across it country try to soothe their election induced acid reflux. and i mean for good reason. for weeks now the polls have basically been locked. this is a dead heat. 2024 is on track to be one of the closest election in modern history. but the reality is the time for

worrying about those polls and fretting over 1% here, 1% there, that time is over. this election is all about one thing now. which campaign can get more of its voters to show up to the polls t and vote. and the harris campaign is working overtime to turn out every constituency they can. harris is reaching out to young black men by talking to wildly popular radio host charlamagne tha god and reaching out to republicans by appearing on fox news. and that's just what she's been doing in the last week. meanwhile, donald trump is staying mostly in a safe space, which in this case means talkins essentially to right-wing internet trolls and bros in the manoverse. the few traditional interviews trump hasit done have been chargely disastrous. at a rally today in wisconsin

vice president harris drew a direct contrast between these two very different media strategies. >> last night you may have seen i went on fox news. and while i was doing that, donald trump was at a univision town hall where a voter asked him about january 6th. and what did donald trump say last night about january 6th? he called it a, quote, a day of love. the american people are exhausted with this gaslighting, exhausted with his gaslighting. enough. we are ready to turn the page! >> we're going to have more

about trump's incredibly revealing moment at that univision town hall. kamala harris isn't just ramping up her speeches. she is blitzing the airways. >> when i was 5 i began getting sexuallyi abused by my stepfatr and he got me pregnant when i was 12. 64,000s pregnancies from rape have occurred in states with total abortionin bans, and trum did this. >> ifru he wins he'll ignore al checks that rein in a in president's power. a second trump term more unhinged, more unchecked. >> i believe in solving problems. my plan cuts taxes for 100 million americans and lower costs for groceries, medical, and housing. let's turn the page on politics of patiness and charge a new way

forward. >> hose are the official harris campaign ads debuting today. but harris is also being supported by a super-pac with $700 million in the bank. that pac is called future forward and is dedicated to vigorously data tested campaign ads. i'm not really kidding. now, contrast that with the trump campaign, a campaign that has outsourced much of its operations to an elon musk run super-pac that has been beset by problems including staff turnover and still empty job listings, a e campaign that reportedly spent $19 million an anti-trans advertising, ads that have aired more than 55,000 times since october 1st. that -- that is the closing message from the tramp campaign or at least the super-pacs in

the air wars of the 2024 election cycle. meanwhile, trump is spending almost all his time on the podcast circuit where he continues to have conversations like this one. >> kamala, who's apparently black, she's up 41. >> what do you mean by apparently in. >> that's what they're telling us. >> no,ha no, see i would never y a thing like that.th i don't want to put you in trouble. i was going to throw it onto your shoulders, apparently. well, no, you could explain it. >>u i'm very comfortable explaining it. because overnight she's doing a show she's supposed to be indian and all of a sudden it's black but it's not landing with the average american. >> joining me now is dan fifer, also with me mark mckinnon,

political strategist to george bush and george mccain. thank you both for being here. i know there is a strategy behind the strategy trump is employing. i'm just havingum a hard time understanding exactly what it is. to be willing to be drawn into a conversation about kamala harris' blackness before election day doesn't seem to be where you wantoe to be. what exactly the anti-trans blitz, the conversations about race, the bro podcasts, the manoverse, what does it tell you? >> the trumps campaign has a plan. the problem isha donald trump i theirm candidate. they're trying to turn out low propensity voters who do not

engage in political news, particularly young, particularlg online men. you do these large followings on youtube and tiktok and it gets into their feed. he's donald d.trump, and he's declined right before our eyes. >> yeah,ht i mean i understand e manoverse strategy, mark, i get they'rete trying to reach low propensityh voters, high risk, low reward. the problem is once he's on theire podcast, i don't know h he advances their cause. whose do you think is more effective? and i say thatre genuinely becae there are people out there i'm sure who think trump is doing what he needs to do to close the sale. >> c well, part of what i look like in any campaign is who has a consistent strategy. right now the trump strategy is changing all over the place. look what he's canceled, cnbc,

"60 minutes," an nbc interview, an nra rally. and meanwhile harris is going into the lines on fox, charlamagne tha god, call her daddy podcast. she's going everywhere and suddenly she looks strong and confident and he looks weak. the most important attribute people are looking at is that. that's obama level performance, right? >> i do -- i agree with park. the fact that people are looking at both these campaigns, dan, and they're saying oh, harris must be desperate because she's going on fox, at the same time trump is canceling a number of high profile media interviews, which to me suggests he's not that confident or the campaign isn't thatth confident.

do you think, you know, in hind set she got what she needed to get out of that fox interview? >> absolutely. she looked strong. she handled bret bair. 700 million people watched it, and you know what the market for that interview was pittsburgh, pennsylvania. so she got exactly what she wanted out it. you don't go on fox because you're desperate but because you're confident. his campaign strategy is to hide him as much as they can from voters over the last 17, 18 days or whatever it is because he 1 turns out the democratic base, can repel swing voters. he works better as a gauzy idea as some sort of period with lower egg prices and pre-pandemic in people's eyes. and so the more he talks, the worse it is for him. >> i t wonder, mark, again, as media guy, the ad strategy here. you know, harris has ads that cover the waterfront, right? it's everything from trump's fascist anti-democratic tendencies to her economic plan

for the country to the question of abortion. we played some of them in the official campaign ads. then there's future forward, which we'll talk about inur a second. a trump's closing message or that super-pacs is an anti-trans message. can you talk to me about that and how the republican party thinks that's a good idea, that's thet' winning message, that's your walk out music in the closing days of this race. >> the other mistake campaigns make is they look in the rearview mirror. this isin a willy horton strate, find a biggy man and double down and triple down. they don'tbl have a positive message. she has a ceiling, she's growing and democrats are enthusiastic by 10 more points than they are about trump, she has a gender gap aadvantage, and so all the can doe, is try to scare voters about a policy that was operative under donald trump.r

it's not kamala harris's policy. it was operated under donald trump. the policy is no different in the biden administration than it was in the trump administration, although you'd never knowru tha from the commercials. listen, i just think more broadly she ishi on offense. she is -- i just feel like the physics of this race have changed in it last few days. she's balling, he's stalling. you just feel it moving, and like at the rally today, she's just -- she's loose and she's focused. and by the way, she's taking it to trump, and she's talking about what kind of a country do we want to live in. and it's a really good closing message becauseod i think the answer is kamala harris is -- it's her leadership. >> she's balling, he's stalling. we're going to make a bumper sticker out of that. dan, future forward, which is the super-pac it's an organization that rigorously tests messages. according to their sort of clinical finings, if you will,

anti-trump attack ads are not effective at moving the voters harris needs to move. first of all, i mean i wonder if that sounds right to you. and if that is being rigorously tested, how do you explain the disconnect between -- the super-pacs aren't courting with the campaigns, but harris is out there going after trump, as mark says, almost religiously, with fervor at these big rallies she's having, and it's definitely part of her, closin message. >> i think what future forward would actually sayfu is the bes ads are contrast ads which have positive information about kamala harris and negative information about trump. that does sound right to me because if you look at the "the new york times" national poll right after the debate, more than a quarter of voters said they needed to hear more from kamala harris. only 10% of voters said they needed to hear more from trump. you still want to talk to those voters but the key here is

people understanding more about when she is, what she stands for, and what she's going to do. all that exists in contrast to what trumpin is going to do. is she going to cut taxes for middle class families and tax billionaire organizations. they want to know more before they actually pull into the lev or fill in the bubble or however they'reth doing it in their sta. i agree with the future forward pro chair. it's not consistent with them campaigns. >> i wonder where we talk about where everybody's heads are at, how much the polling matters not as a sign of who's going to win but in's terms of changing the vibe shift, if you will, how much it's a y matter of instillg confidence in your team, if you will, your voters ahead of election day and whether that's going to d translate to an actu victory. mark, dan has written very, very essentially, if you will, on his

substack about these excess of conservativebo polls that have come out in the last few weeks and what those are meant to do. and he makes the point and i'll let you talk about this more in a second,lk dan, on the first count these polls are coming out. they're beingll put out by conservative outlets because republicans believe in the bandwagon effect in politics. they believe that undecided voters are going to side with the person they think will win. so there arey a whole bunch of polls showing trump will win, then trumpll voters and undecid voters are going to feel confident going to the ballot box. secondly and more importantly the polls showing trump winning are the predicate for the big lie 2.0. they must argue trump would have a won absent some voter fraud if and when trumpfr loses, he'll b holding up voter polls as evidence the election was stolen. trump voters want to vote for the v wenning side? >> everybody wants to vote for

the winning side and i think the republicans have muchth better this. they'reer much better at puttin out sham polls and creating a bandwagon effect.go meanwhile the democrats are great at bedwetting and whining and freaking out every poll. i just wrote about this in vanity fair. republicans are trying to create polls that are very suspect. you have to put that away and say, listen, polls are being rigged by republican pollsters trying to create a bandwagon effect or modelled after the 2020 t election where people ma have voted for donald trump, like i did, but they weren't excited about it. thisab election who are they excited about? they're excited about kamala harris. look atka the enthusiasm -- as u said earlier it's a turnout game. it's on who's going to vote. if you have a enthusiasm advantage of 10 points or a gender gap advantage of 10

points i know i'm betting my money on kamala harris. i think she's fog to win and i'm going to win easily. >> i'm going to take issue with the bedwetting thing because it's a really close race. if you're worried, if you're a democrat or republican and worried here, this is not baseless. >> i think panic's good. in 2016 people did not panic. so panic is good. panic is great. >> your second point in this writing, dan, these junk polls are going to bee used to justi election fraud,e is reason for everybody toud panic. >> yeah, absolutely. democrats and p republicans approach this differently over the years. they want to createdi an image they're going to win, and we want people w worried they're going to lose if they don't turn out. what's different in this election i think the trump people have not accounted for is when obama was running high turn out was good for us. the opposite is actually true ic this race, where the lower

propensityow voters, people les likely to vote, are leaning more pro-trump. and so they are using an old play book for what may be a new environment. everything trump is doing here is to setup for an attempt, an ability to contest the election by any means necessary afterwards, and these polls are a piece ofaf that plan. >> dan fifer and mark mckinnon, sages of the campaign trail. thank you guys both for your time. it's great to see you. coming up, elon musk. remember that guy? he t held his first solo campai event for donald trump this evening in pennsylvania. we're going to get into how the leader of dark maga did at his first big event. but first, no administration has done more for organized labor than the biden-harris administration. so why hasn't the relationship been more reciprocal? i will ask senator bernie sanders about that coming up next. ernie sanders about that coming up

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this is ryan sanders. he's a resident of erie county, pennsylvania, a proud member of the sheet metal workers union and president of the local arm of the aflcio. he's also a swing voter. sanders was profiled by the philadelphia enquirer today and says while kamala harris is a better friend to labor than trump, he still doesn't feel like he really knows her or what she plans to do as president. sanders says he'll probably make up his mind in the voting booth. now, that echoes what i heard when i spoke to union members in saginaw, michigan, just last month. >> i'm undecided because i just haven't -- i haven't seen enough of it yet. i need to pay closer attention and do kind of independent

research before i make my judgment. >> the lukewarm feelings from rank and file union members are part of the problem that democrats are facing right now, in a race that could not be tighter. as vox reports today it remains the case under biden democrats have seen their poll numbers with union voters decline at the presidential level even as their support for organized labor's interests has increased. joining me now to unpack all of this is vermont senator bernie sanders. senator sanders, thank you very much for being here and helping me understand this phenomenon. i think a lot of people would be surprised to know kamala harris right now is on track to do worse among union households than hillary clinton did in 2016. and even joe biden, i believe. nbc news found biden winning only 50% of voters from union households. do you have a theory on why that support isn't stronger given

everything that the biden-harris administration has done for unions? >> well, i think at a time of massive income and wealth inequality, at a time when 60% of our people are living paycheck to paycheck, at a time we have a broken and very expensive health care system, at a time we're the only major country not to provide medical and family leave, at a time we have more income and wealth inequality than we've ever had, i think democrats have not been strong enough in standing up and saying, look, we've got a rigged economy. the rich are becoming much richer. you've got three people owning more wealth than the bottom half while working people are struggling. and we, democrats, we're going to stand with the working people. and we're going to do the things that need to be done to improve lives for millions of people. what does that mean? it means raising the minimum wage to a living wage. and it's hard for me to understand why kamala harris has

not come out on that issue. it's important to point out how terrible trump's labor record was and is. this is guy you may recall did a call with elon musk, and they were laughing about how it might be a good idea to fire workers who went on strike. this is trump giving a speech and saying to private businessmen i hated to pay overtime. millions of peoples lives depend on overtime. trump didn't want to pay overtime. he appointed an extremely right-wing anti-labor secretary of labor am merchandise we've got to make that clear but equally important and it is no great secret for many, many years -- biden being the exception, by the way. biden has been very, very strong on labor issues. but we have got to make it clear and i speak as an independent who caucuses with democrats, which side we are on.

and the side we are on has got to be taking on big money, standing up for working families. >> and i hear what you say about the working class writ large but the reality is joe biden saved the teamsters pension fund to the tune of $36 billion, which amounts to roughly $100,000 per pension. this is a man who walked the picket line in a way that no other american president in modern history that done. joe biden is still only getting 50% of union support, and it still sort of begs the question is it something else? is it actually independent of joe biden's record? i'm going to take harris out of the equation here given joe biden was only getting 50% of their report. go ahead. >> the polling that i have seen suggested that kamala is not doing as well as biden did, and i think among working class people there was a lot of support for biden. not as much as i would like to see but there was -- because he

has the strongest pro-labor record of any president since franklin delano roosevelt. >> you contrast and then you have the filings who's supporting trump's candidacy. it's a group of billionaires. dick uhlein, timothy melon, $50 million. elon musk we've talked about. mirium adelson, $95 million. how can there even be an argument this campaign is not in the pocket of the ultra-rich? and mean they're literally funneling hundreds of millions of dollars. >> i can understand it. you're quite right. for example, it would be appropriate to my mind for kamala harris to make that very point, that increasingly in

america we have a political system -- and by the way, yes, you're right, a small number of republican billionaires are putting unbelievable amounts of money, but democratic billionaires are funding the democratic party as well. and what we need is somebody to say you know what we cannot have an economy and political system dominated by billionaires. ia know what i think? i think a lot of democrat would say that's right, independent, democrats would say that's right. but i think most importantly people are hurting, and they need to know that somebody is standing up and fighting for them. they're not stupid. they see the people on top doing funomally well. they see unprecedented level of corporate greed. who is standing up for them? i think kamala has got to be strong. look, she's brought forth a number of good ideas. housing crisis, wants to build 3 million units. very important. child -- expanding and extending the child tax credit so we deal

with the horrific level of childhood poverty in america, enormously -- supporting the pro act, enormous one. expanding medicare to cover health care, big, big deal. you've got to emotionally not just report those good ideas. you've got to say, you know what? i am prepared to take on it big money interests. i am on your side. the next time there's a strike like joe biden, i will be there on the picket line. i understand that you can't afford health care. i will be there. we're all going to join the rest of the industrialized world. maybe not tomorrow but we will to guarantee health care to every man, woman, and child. but emotionally i think working class people got to say, hey, see that lady there? she's on my side, she's got my vote. trump is out there, he has his enemies. you know, going after undocumented people. they are the cause of every problem in the history of