i don't have any more elections i'll be involved with, and, heck, i'm only two months younger than donald trump. [ applause ] but good news for you is, i will not spend 30 minutes swaying back and forth to music. [ applause ] i've played enough music, i will not clap off beat. nor will i pretend to be a conductor. because we have a race to win. and we have to win it. >> wow, that was a great way at getting at the age issue. former president clinton at a rally in north carolina

yesterday mocking former president trump's recent town hall where he bizarrely asked for music to be played for nearly 30 minutes while he swayed along. i watched that town hall. it was really hot in there. they had two medical emergencies, but then they had time to continue. he just shut down. he shut down like emotionally from kristi noem on stage, kind of wanted nothing to do with her. and just swayed to the music, angry, i guess he didn't like what was happening. he just shut down. bill clinton was campaigning with governor tim walz who criticized republican senator jd vance for admitting he doesn't believe trump lost 2020 election. walz then slammed trump for pretending to understand what it is like to be a working class american. >> if you remember back a couple

weeks ago, we had a little debate in new york city. i asked the simplest question that you could ever be asked as an american. did donald trump lose the 2020 election? >> yes! >> pretty simple. every court in the land, every person knows this. and on that night, i got kind of a smug, non-response to it that, oh, tim, we're thinking about future, something like that. well, yesterday, they just start saying the quiet stuff outside. he got asked about it yesterday, and he said, "no, donald trump did not lose the 2020 election." [ crowd booing ] now, the job that we're asking for, to serve the american public, we don't serve an individual. we serve the constitution and the people of the united states. that's who we serve. [ applause ] i'm going to be generous. we are all products of our past. when you grow up a middle class kid in oakland or in butte, nebraska, you care about social security. you care about these things. when you're sitting down in mar-a-lago and tell your rich

friends, "you're rich as hell, i'll give you a tax cut," it doesn't matter to them. you know what? when my mom looks for the social security deposit to be made in her bank account, that's how she's going to feed herself and get things done. he doesn't give a damn whether or not his social security check comes or not. let's be clear, if any of our relatives or any of us gives us this, if they tell us, "well, donald trump understands us," that is bull [ bleep ], he does not understand us. >> pitch to working class americans. to the point about the 2020 election, if you are a member of trump tv and you're watching it, they will tell you that question doesn't matter anymore. they will also tell you, and i'm quoting, that the fols who were convicted on january 6th were not insurrectionists. it was not an insurrection. and if you pursue that topic, they will say, and i quote here, "oh, keep playing the january 6th card."

very flip about pretty important moments in our nation's history and a decision that has to be made about the direction that we want to go. joining us now, we have the host of the podcast, "on brand with donny deutsch," donny deutsch. and president of the national action network and host of msnbc's "politics nation," reverend al sharpton. reverend al, i hear you have news, some announcements to make. >> well, yes. we on saturday and sunday, but this sunday, my guest will be vice president kamala harris. i'm meeting her in atlanta after she goes to church with governor walz. we're going to sit down and have a conversation as she begins her closing arguments. talking about what is going on in terms of the election, how she feels now. talking about the need to get voting turnout. talking about the issue that has

been raised about black men. also what she would do as president now that we see sinwar killed in the middle east, how would she try to bring this to a cease-fire? i think people have underestimated and uncovered how she's operated on the international stage with president biden sending her out. i want to get her view on how she would deal with this crisis as president now that we have the leader of hamas killed. is this an opportunity to get netanyahu to move toward the peace table and a cease-fire? we're going to talk about several things on "politics nation" sunday at 5:00 eastern time. >> certainly, the harris advisors and the white house would think a cease-fire would be a gift to her team between now and election day. remains unclear whether netanyahu will go along with that. we'll look forward to that interview, rev. donny, let's talk about

where things stand right now. up front, the race is close. it is basically a tie. there does seem to be some slight shifts in momentum. few weeks ago, democrats, you heard it, i heard it, we reported it, nervous about harris. she's not doing enough. she's not out there. she's not campaigning. it's all changed. media blitz, she's barn storming across the country. now, trump has pulled back, cancelling interviews left and right. there seems to be a sense of unease coming from the inner circle. >> it's within the 48 yard lines, obviously, but you feel the campaigns going like this. last few days, as trump disappeared, or at best sways to music, you have to ask the question, is there something wrong with him? he really seems to have kind of just literally backed off. he canceled nbc. he didn't do "60 minutes." probably cancelling a town hall. he seems to be run out the clock, and that is dangerous news. on the other hand, obviously, kamala in the last few days, we've seen her do the media

blitz. fantastic at a few rallies. it'll obviously come down to the wire. it feels like something the last few days shifted. my message to the vice president is keep punching. people want to see strength. i know the joy thing was kind of okay for a while. joy is great. strength and power and aggressiveness, i think, is what she needs right now. katty kay, i want to get to your events abroad that have everything to do with this election in terms of the interest that you were getting from people. tell us what this was, how many people showed up, and what did they ask you? >> yeah, so -- >> look at this. >> -- anthony scaramucci and i -- >> whoa! >> 13,000 people showed up to listen about us talk about politics in the u.s. election. this was in london this week. we had events in glasgow, manchester, cardiff, so much

interest. people are always interested in u.s. elections, but there is a different level of quality this time. the questions we were getting, mika, some super detailed questions about what counties in pennsylvania they should be watching. some people know more about the u.s. election, the mechanics of it, than is good for them. but the bottom line was, what does it mean for the united states and democracy in general if donald trump is re-elected? that is the real con serb. the interest in january 6th, whether it is an issue in this campaign, whether we're going to see more violence. those were -- so we were taking questions from these audiences. a lot of questions about whether this will be a peaceful transfer of power. if donald trump loses, what does he do afterwards? if there is more violence -- and the other thing people were interested in, how are foreign nations sowing chaos in america, and why is not more being done to stop that? >> right. >> so, i mean, there's always interest. i was blown away. you know, taylor swift filled

the o2 stadium. listen, a politics conversation on the u.s. election filling the o2 stadium, it was wild, super fun. also, it was to go abroad at this moment in the campaign, and we realized how seriously people are taking this. >> there's so much at stake for our allies around the world, and that's an example right there. i mean, look at that incredible crowd, wow. that is amazing, katty. i want to turn to john heilemann and ask him about this. former president trump wants president biden to return to the race and become the democratic nominee. in a truth social post yesterday, trump wrote, in part, quote, kamala should be investigated and forced off the campaign, and joe biden allowed to take back his rightful place. he got 14 million primary votes. she got none. it all stems from the vice president's recent interview

with "60 minutes" and trump's false claims the program edited the sit-down to harris' benefit. those comments come after trump backed out of a scheduled interview with the outlet due to "60 minutes" saying they would, indeed, fact-check him. and cbs news would not issue an apology to him for his 2020 interview. this is the thing, when you're choosing news sources, there are some that will check facts and make sure the facts are good and tell you if they've made a mistake in real time so that you understand the full context. and there are some that won't. john heilemann, what do you make of trump's comments about biden? also, this narrative that they're weaving about kamala harris not being chosen. >> well, mika, i think any of us who have had the experience of visiting an elderly, failing relative or parent in an

assist assisted living facility, you'll find them and their fellow residents lost in revelry. thinking back to the good old days. they lose track of where they are. for periods of time, they may be 80 years old, but they imagine they're 40. they get lost in the dream space. this happens to donny on a regular basis. that's what we really see with donald trump. we see, you know, he's still not gotten over the fact that the good old days for him, the best of times, those moments were when we still had joe biden. he was on the fast track to winning this election easily. the closer we get to election day, the closer we get to whatever reality is going to befall him, the more we see donald trump lapse into those nostalgic revelries. you know, this is not the race that he spent four years wanting

to run. he can't let go of it. >> no. >> rev, real quick, mika, also on this theme, donny, let's get you in on this, the playbook just now talks about how trump has been cancelling interviews. they have reporting that he was in sit-down conversation with a podcast called "the shade." the people at the podcast say that the reason why trump's campaign said he'd have to cancel it was, indeed, exhaustion, which the trump campaign now disputes. they have multiple sources saying that's why they were told they can't do it. >> people should really focus on his state of strength, state of weakness, state of well-being, of non-well-being. something is off. he is addicted to crowds, to media, and he is pulling back. they're seeing something internally, and they're feeling something. i think the spotlight should be on that. >> i think it's been clear for those of us that have known and dealt with donald trump for years that he is really, in many

ways, not the donald trump that we dealt with. no energy there. no sound bites that make sense. he's lost it. i think that it's almost like pushing the old boxer back in the ring, and you know he can't fight. just tell him to hold on to the tenth round. they're trying to make him hold on, does he doesn't visit. he's on the stool saying, i don't want to go back out there. last night, his appearance at the alfred e. smith dinner was ridiculous. it was offensive and way off the mark. i think him cancelling "the shade" is, in many ways, a way of saying there's shade on his whole campaign. coming up, a major ruling in georgia just weeks before the presidential election. we'll explain that next on "morning joe."

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♪♪ welcome back to "morning joe." in georgia now, a judge there is overturning multiple controversial election rules set by the state's republican control election board.

the rules that included empowering local officials to investigate supposed irregularities and required new identification for delivering absentee ballots, among other things, had been slammed as bureaucratic overreach. republicans in the state have already said they plan to appeal the ruling. joining us now, former litigator and msnbc lisa rubin. and msnbc legal analyst and former attorney, joyce vance. co-host of "sisters-in-law" podcast, which i love. what is going on in georgia, and what are the bigger implications? are people going to start hearing these stories and think their vote is not going to count? >> so that's exactly the risk here and possibly that's the plan. there are a variety of attacks under way on georgia's elections. many of them are coming from within. for instance, one of the cases,

adams, was filed by one of the superintendents who is charged with counting and protecting and certifying georgia's elections. so far, the courts have been resilient, giving a firm message back that says, we mean it when we say you can't make changes to these elections too close to election day. because that would cause chaos. look, mika, the real risk here is that voters will hear some of these stories, see about the 120 plus lawsuits that the rnc has filed nationwide, and they'll begin to question the integrity of our elections. and the answer is this, our elections are conducted across the country in a very decentralized way by highly trained, dedicated people, many of them volunteers. in state after state, we've seen officials say, we've looked at our machinery. we've conducted our training. we are confident in the process. that's the message americans should take away, not these

lawsuits raising claims that aren't true, that end up being rejected by the courts. that, of course, takes a little bit of time. >> lisa, let's get your analysis here on the rulings, decisions yesterday, and also what it means for voters in a few weeks' time. >> i would say, john, one of the things it means for voters is a restoration of the status quo. in other words, before the georgia election board sought fit to alter the election rules, people should feel secure their votes are going to count and they still should. there are a series of rulings in georgia this week. joyce talked about one of them. another violated seven different rules of the georgia election board. one of the things the judge is making clear is only the state legislature has the power to change the time, place, and manner for electing federal officials. they can't delegate that to the georgia election board, and the georgia election board overstepped. they overreached when they tried to change the rules of the game. not only so late in the game,

but even if they had done this two to three years ago, by his reasoning, this wouldn't have been permissible. >> i have a question for joyce, which is, are republicans and the plaintiffs in these cases, are they going to appeal? and is there any possibility that this ruling, for example, could reversed before the election? >> sure. so i think we'll absolutely see these appeals take place. that's always part of the strategy when you litigate this close to election day. part of that process involves trying to get last-ditch appeals through. but we're now too close to the election, gene, for that to happen. we've already seen doj step in in two states, in alabama and virginia. the state was trying to remove voters from the election rolls, claiming some of those people might be non-citizens who weren't eligible to vote.

it turned out in alabama, we've already had a quick ruling, forcing the state to restore those voters to active voter status. it turns out they are eligible to vote. increasingly, the appellate courts will say it is too late to change the rules on the ground. of course, that doesn't mean there won't be litigation after the election, too. americans need to understand that that's the strategy. going to the courts to challenge. some challenges are legitimate. candidates are entitled to ask for vote counts if they think an election is close and there might be a problem. that goes on all the time, and that's fine. but what we shouldn't take away from any of this is that there is a fundamental problem with our elections. because there isn't. every american will be able to vote and have their vote counted, and the courts will step in to protect that. >> lisa, let's talk about what's going on in the check-in court here. the trump team tried to block some evidence from coming into

the public purview, and judge very quickly said, no, the evidence is coming out from the appendix in the smith filing. talk about what we might be able to see there. >> john, i'm not sure how much we'll be able to see there. the department of justice was very plain in saying they want to protect witnesses, for example, to the extent that somebody has given testimony that's non-public, we're not likely to see the substance of that testimony, beyond the way in which it's been quoted in the brief already. how much will we see today? that's unclear. my own expectations are fairly low. on the other hand, you have the trump team fighting tooth and nail to prevent this disclosure. they got their ruling last thursday. they asked for more time to evaluate their litigation options. they waited until the 11th hour. instead of getting a ruling from the appeals court, which they didn't have the ability to do, they asked for a stay through november 14th.

why are they fighting so hard if what we're about to see isn't really all that surprising? there's probably something in there that they don't want the voting public to know about or see in a more fulsome way. i'll be looking forward to flipping through the 1,600 plus pages later today. >> wow. thank you for doing that. msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin and former u.s. attorney joyce vance. thank you, both, very much for explaining that all. still ahead on "morning joe," we're now getting an inside look into what's happening with vice president kamala harris' transition team and the names being floated for a potential position in her administration. plus, we'll bring you the latest following the death of hamas leader yahya sinwar, and speak with state department spokesperson matthew miller to explain the significance of this moment. what it could mean for the war in gaza. "morning joe" will be right back.

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