political leader of hamas, as well as nasrallah, the leader of hezbollah in lebanon. nobody could have imagined a year ago that all four of those men would be eliminated. the twin goals of this war have supposedly been all along, destroy or dismantle hamas and get the hostages home. the focus now needs to be on getting the release of the hostages and moving to the next phase of what will happen next with gaza and what will happen next with the israeli/palestinian conflict writ large. israel cannot afford to be in a forever war, a forever hot war in gaza like they've been. look at what's happened around it. the level of destruction is insane. the world tolerance for it is over. we heard biden, blinken, harris yesterday say this is an opportunity to end the war. we heard netanyahu say this is the beginning of the end of the war. he needs to move to, this is an opportunity to end the war by releasing the hostages and moving to the next phase. >> certainly to this point in

the conflict, netanyahu ignored a lot of what the u.s. officials had to say. give us a quick sense about the political situation netanyahu now faces. you're right, he has a string of wins. he has the wind at his back it would seem, but there is a real outcry in israel to bring the hostages home. he's navigating the conservative forces in his coalition. what do you think happens next with that at home for him? >> yeah, i mean, this is a test of whether it is about netanyahu or about israel. there was a poll released right on october 7th, the anniversary, that showed that a majority of israelis now oppose the way the war is being prosecuted, want focus to shift on releasing the hostages. you saw hostage families yesterday in reaction to this talking about what this would mean for them, that the focus needed to be on releasing the hostages. i was gratified to hear netanyahu say if people are releasing the hostages

immediately, they will not be harmed. that is a positive step. but how forcefully they focus on that, how quickly they focus on that is the test right now. an israeli analyst noted there was no response from hamas in terms of, like, a rocket barrage after the death was confirmed. that's a sign that the leadership being dismantled, sinwar being killed, has actually destroyed hamas. i mean, they are not in a position to strike right now. that's an opportunity for netanyahu to say that his goal has been achieved. >> editor in chief of the ford, jodi, thank you so much for being with us this morning. mika, what max miller said a moment ago echoed reporting i have, as well. we should expect a strong u.s. push to convince netanyahu to come back to the negotiating table, declare victory, move to the next phase, and try to bring the hostages home. >> yes. still ahead on morning joe, billionaire elon musk pushes

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joe." it is 37 past the hour. billionaire elon musk promoted debunked conspiracy theories, lies, about election fraud while hitting the campaign trail to stump for donald trump. at a town hall outside philadelphia, attendees were required to sign a petition supporting the first and second amendments, and be a registered voter in the state. there, musk referred to the false conspiracy theory that dominion voting systems was part of a plot to rig u.s. elections. >> well, there is, i think, some amount of cheating that takes place. it's hard because they have --

you know, when you have mail-in ballots and no sort of proof of citizenship, it becomes almost impossible to prove cheating, is the issue. you know, a lot of people on the dems side will say, there's no cheating. i'm like, you've made it impossible to actually prove that there's cheating. but statistically, some very strange things happened that are statistically, incredibly unlikely. you know, there's always a question of, say, the dominion voting machines. it is weird that, you know, i think they were used in philadelphia and maricopa county, but not in a lot of other places. doesn't that seem like a heck of a coincidence? >> that audience did not get this disclaimer, that it is false that dominion participated in efforts to manipulate elections, and the company pointed out it does not serve philadelphia county. last year, it struck a $787

million settlement with fox news in its defamation lawsuit against the media outlet over such claims. fox has paid for their lies, for the lies about them. another trump ally who is continuing to push election conspiracy theories, even though it may cost him his seat in the house, is republican congressman scott perry of pennsylvania. the former chair of the far-right freedom caucus repeated debunked claims that the 2020 election was stolen in his debate earlier this month. you may remember, congressman perry from his alleged role in multiple plots to overturn the 2020 election ahead of january 6th, perry's phone was seized by federal agents which revealed a plan to change the u.s. attorney general to the now indicted jeffrey clark. stay with me.

congressman perry is now in a fight for his political survival against democrat challenger janelle stellson, who joins us now. welcome to the show. >> thank you. >> your race is pretty much a microcosm of the presidential election. a woman, democrat running against a man who is an election denier. so i am curious, when you are campaigning, what is breaking through to people who may be armed with a lot of disinformation, who may be long-time trumpers, trump supporters? are you finding an effective way to communicate facts versus fiction? and how does that -- what does that look like? >> well, i think we have a lot of common ground.

i think people are far more to the center than sometimes they're made out to be in the media. we always hear about the extremes, but most people just want an affordable life where they can take care of their kids, put food on the table, send them to a good college if that's what is in their future. i hear an awful lot about that. i also hear about apportion and a woman's right to be in control of her own body. they don't seem to think that government knows better than their doctors do or long-time politicians like scott perry. that's just a bridge too far. i was live on the set two years ago when the supreme court handed down dobbs, overturned roe, and had to look at the camera and tell every woman watching her rights had been rolled back 50 years. turns out, nobody is happy about that. there is a very clear and i think, you know, a lot of it is about january 6th that's kind of morphed into a theme i'm hearing, that washington is deeply broken. people want term limits. they don't want career politicians like scott perry,

who has been, you know, he has had 12 years to do something for this district and has done very little. in fact, i would submit he is the chief obstructionist in this 118th congress that has achieved fewer pieces of legislation than at any time in the past century. so people are really fed up, mika. >> janelle, are you finding then that bringing up 2020 and january 6th is turning off voters against you, that people just don't want to talk about it anymore, or are you finding that they give scott perry a pass on all of that? how does that play out, or do you not raise it really? >> there's no pass. and i'm willing to talk about -- you know, i've been a tv journalist, a newscaster, anchor and reporter the past 38 years. i've been listening all that time to our concerns and our issues. that hasn't changed. i'm still doing that. but, you know, that's what i hear from folks. they actually want their votes to count. that's a pretty big deal, you

know. when scott perry is the only person in pennsylvania's congressional delegation, republican or democrat, to vote against giving medals to the police, capitol police and the other officers who guarded our bastion of democracy and tried to keep the damage to a minimum, and also protected his life and the life of his colleagues, you know, he's the only one who voted not to give them a medal for that. a few hours later, after they kept him safe, you know, he could walk back into the chamber safely and vote to overturn all of our votes. turns out, people who vote really want those votes to count. >> janelle, i was just in pennsylvania this past weekend. a little east of where the district is where you're seeking to represent. it was nonstop political advertisement. virtually everything the republicans were putting up was about immigration. can you talk to us about how you feel like that issue -- obviously your district far from

the border -- is resonating? what do you tell your constituents about it? >> well, and even though it is far from the border, it's a big deal here, too. we have a lot of migrant labor. we have a lot of apples to pick, that kind of thing. you know, we need those workers. i will say about the border, we absolutely -- this is a matter of national security. we have to secure the border. my opponent, scott perry, flew there on the taxpayer dime a couple months ago and said this is a, you know, news flash that we have a crisis at the border and blamed it all on the democrats. for me, this is an american problem. you know, the fact that he would be interested in scuttling that bipartisan immigration bill that would have moved us a little closer to securing the border, that's a real problem for folks in this area. for me, this is an american issue. it is not a democratic or republican issue. we must secure the border. if people don't have a legitimate claim to be here, they need to be sent home to their native countries in an

expeditious fashion. >> democratic candidate for pennsylvania's 10th congressional district, janelle stelson, thank you very much for coming on the show. come back. good to see you. >> thank you. janellestelson.com. hear more about my policies and why i am a better fit for this district than scott perry. thank you. >> there you go. thank you very much. coming up, we're going to take a quick break from politics. pablo torre is here to talk about the mlb playoffs. after a crazy night in cleveland with the guardians pulling off an incredible comeback. we'll be right back.

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a big of a lead as he wants here. carries the winning run in game three. fry, deep drive. left field. fry's watching. it is a walkoff home run. david fry lights up the cleveland night. >> what a game last night. the immortal david fry with a walkoff home run in the bottom of the tenth, ending a spectacular evening in cleveland. the yankees had a huge eighth inning to take the lead starting with this line drive, two-run homer by aaron judge. just clears the fence that ties the game at three. the next batter, giancarlo stanton who's been red hot, he goes deep as well. both homers coming off of

guardian' closer. he has been very hittable. the yankees add another run in the top of the knight ninth, go up two. and with the guardians down, noel, the last batter on cleveland's bench delivers that towering two-run shot sending it to extra innings. noel's nickname, big christmas, and he set up the dramatic walkoff home run from david fry. let's watch it again. it just gets better every time we see it. game four tonight, 8:00 eastern in cleveland. yankees still lead 2-1, and now let's bring in the host, pablo torre. he's been talking a lot. >> i'm not familiar with what you're talking about. >> now we have you right where we want you. pablo. >> it felt like a trap when you booked me today. it did feel like a trap. >> i insisted upon it that you

be here, and you and i sit across the table from each other. some doubts seeping in. both teams, terrific closures. got lit up last night, you know, yankees are turning to a pitcher that hasn't thrown in weeks to start. the door is now open. >> i want to depersonalize this for a second for a therapeutic reason, for self-protection, and's objectivity. this until last night was not good. just a viewership experience, not a lot of home runs or a lot of runs, and it just felt like the dead ball era was back for this -- for this series. >> yeah. >> this game, okay? objectively it felt special. it was a thriller. dave fry, two strikes, two outs. a walkoff home run. the yankees making it so that there were just a couple -- i believe three home runs in the eighth and the ninth leading up to that. that is the context which is that i believe that the new york yankees are going to win tonight. >> okay. >> i believe that the

psychological damage that has been inflicted upon me by big christmas and dave fry is not insignificant, but if you are telling me -- if you are telling me that in the postseason, john, it's really hard to eke out runs by manufacturing them, right? and it's going to be home runs now, i like the chances of aaron judge. >> yeah. >> i like juan soto. it's just a little scarier. it's a little scarier now in cleveland. >> judge has woken up. stanton has been hot throughout. the -- what's interesting now is you're right. the first two games in the bronx, they weren't well played. they were sloppy, and the yankees didn't play that well, but they found ways to win, but the one thing they have had in recent weeks was that bullpen. it was a question mark. it has now become a real strength, but after what we saw last night, can it be counted on like you would hope? >> weaver looks like -- he's built like me. >> yes. >> not -- >> not as handsome. >> not nearly as handsome, the

hair -- the jury's out. >> he wears a hat. >> for a reason, but he's about 150 sopping wet, and just to give you a sense of what it's like for me on the couch watching this game, i'm looking at my phone being, like, luke weaver has played for, like, five previous teams before he became one of the great closers in baseball. he was cast off by the diamondbacks and the reds, and i'm marveling and then he gives up a home run to tie the game, and then of course, the game ends in the way it does. so to me, look. the myth and the legend of my fandom in the postseason is that when the pressure is on, people become different. they are better versions of themselves, and we are experimenting on weaver right now, right? like, last season, we were -- >> right. >> the yankees -- we were not in the playoffs. it was embarrassing. >> okay. >> here is a spotlight, and they're melting for the moment. >> pablo. pablo, forget the yankees. i have a question. >> yeah. >> this is really important. when do the mets play again? >> tonight. >> 5:00 today. >> yeah. >> so for me and my daughter,

how do we believe that the mets are going to win tonight? >> yeah. look -- >> after what happened last night. >> so just the context here is that the dodgers look like the richest and best-run team in baseball which is what they have been alleged to be forever, and this year they seem to actually be putting it together. they've won, mika, unfortunately, three of these games by eight runs. this game was miserable. if you just watch the fans behind home plate at citi field, they knew what was happening. the seats were too good though to give up which is a real catch 22 for you. you have the seat, you know what's happening. it's painful, but really i point in the direction of john lemire because this now has the feeling of -- >> yeah. >> -- could they go 0-4, red sox? could he pull off a comeback? could the miracle mets on the 20th anniversary of the 0-4 red sox pull off their own comeback?

shohei ohtani, because those who were unfamiliar with this gentleman, he is the greatest player in baseball history. nobody has been waiting to play more than him. about a postseason berth, that record belonged to him in this sport in the present day, and he begins this game by hitting a home run after hitting a home run to the upper deck, and so -- >> wow. >> -- we're in the realm of miracle and praying and whatever talismans, whatever blessed artifacts you can summon. that's what we bring to the game tonight. >> let's go, mets. pablo torre, thank you. a lot of miracles being prayed for. >> we could all use one. >> all right. still ahead, we're going to get back to the campaign trail. tim walz had some star power with him yesterday in north carolina. we'll have the highlights from that rally. meanwhile, donald trump continues to make inexplicable statements about the war in

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