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donald trump is continuing with claims about russia's invasion of ukraine. i want to show you what he said on a podcast yesterday. take a listen. >> i think zelenskyy is one of the greatest salesmen i've ever seen. every time he comes in, we give him $100 billion. who else got that kind of money in history? there's never been, and that doesn't mean i don't want to

help him because i feel very badly for those people, but he should never have let that war start. that war's a loser. ukraine, remember, is not ukraine anymore. every city almost is knocked down to the ground. all those beautiful golden domes are laying on their side, smashed to smithereens. >> richard, take it away. >> the idea that zelenskyy, quote, unquote, let that war begin, i've heard of rewritings of history. this was a war shall we say that was made in moscow. ukraine has fought bravely now for 2 1/2 years, close to fighting russia to a standstill despite the disparity between the two societies and military. if donald trump were to be elected, if he really wants the war to end, the only way he could make it end would be by supporting zelenskyy against

putin to eventually essentially persuade putin that time is not on his side. if vladimir putin concludes that the west won't support ukraine, then putin has no incentive to compromise. however, if it's clear that the united states will support ukraine militarily, and allow them to attack certain targets that have been off limits, the cost of the war comes to russia. the future doesn't promise what mr. putin wanted, and that sets the stage for a negotiation. donald trump says he wants to be a dealmaker. again, if he were to be elected, the only way he could be a dealmaker on terms that would not undermine the west would be to be much more supportive of ukraine, and if vice president harris is the next president, again, there i think you'll have a clear commitment to ukraine, and it does potentially set the stage. so 2025 or 2026, the emphasis begins to shift away from the battlefield to the negotiating table, but for that to happen successfully, there's got to be conditions on the battlefield

that again, persuade really both sides that they're not going to realize their aims militarily. they've got to re-emphasize or introduce the diplomatic dimension. >> so president emeritus of the council on foreign relations, richard haass, thank you very much, and retired four-star navy admiral, james stavridis, thank you as well. his new book "the restless wave" is out now. we appreciate you both coming on this morning. coming up, one of our next guests is digging into the kamala harris transition team. how the vice president is preparing for january if she is successful in november. those details are straight ahead on "morning joe." those details are straight ahead on "morning joe.

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and i'm too old. heck, i'm only too much younger than donald trump. [ applause ] good news for you is i will not spend 30 minutes swaying back and forth. [ applause ] i've played enough music. i will not clap offbeat. nor will i pretend to be a conductor. because we've got a race to win, and we have to win it. >> wow. that was a great way at getting at the age issue. former president clinton at a rally in north carolina yesterday, mocking former president trump's recent town hall where he bizarrely asked for music to be played for

nearly 30 minutes while he swayed along. i watched that town hall. it was really hot in there, and they had two medical emergencies, but then they had time to continue, and he just shut down. he shut down, like, emotionally from kristi noem on stage, kind of wanted nothing to do with her, and just swayed to the music, angry, i guess, at -- he didn't like what was happening so he just shut down. bill clinton was campaigning with governor tim walz who criticized republican senator jd vance for admitting he doesn't believe trump lost the 2020 election. walz then slammed trump for pretending to understand what it's like to be a working class american. >> if you remember back a couple of weeks ago, we had a little debate in new york city, and i asked the simplest question that you could ever be asked as an american. did donald trump lose the 2020

election? [ applause ] pretty simple. every court in the land, every person knows this, and on that night, i got kind of a smug non-response to it, that oh, tim, we're thinking about the future or something like that. [ laughter ] well, yesterday they just start saying the quiet stuff outside. he got asked about it yesterday and he said, no. donald trump did not lose the 2020 election. [ boos ] no. the job that we're asking for to serve the american public, we don't serve an individual. we serve the constitution and the people of the united states. that's who we serve. [ applause ] i'm going to be generous. we are all products of our past. when you grow up a middle class kid in oakland or in butte, nebraska, you care about social security. you care about these things. when you're sitting down in mar-a-lago and you tell your rich friends, you're rich as hell, i'm going to give you a tax cut, it doesn't matter to them. when my mom looks for her social

security deposit to be made in her bank account, that's how she's going to feed herself and get things done. he doesn't give a damn if his social security check comes or not. let's be very clear. if any of our relatives or anyone gives us this, will they tell us, donald trump understands that, that's bull [ bleep ], he does not understand you. he does not understand. >> a pitch to working class americans to the point about the 2020 election, that's -- if you are a member of trump tv and you're watching it, they will tell you that question doesn't matter anymore. they will also tell you and i'm quoting, that the folks who were convicted on january 6th were not insurrectionists. it was not an insurrection, and if you pursue that topic, they will say, and i quote here, oh, keep playing the january 6th card. very flip about pretty important moments in our nation's history, and a decision that has to be made about the direction that we want to go, and we'll talk more

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♪♪ welcome back to "morning joe." a new book is hoping to provide a roadmap for people who want to take action on improving their own personal mental health. the book is entitled "dbt workbook for dumdummies" and it offers examples, exercises, and a comprehensive overview of dialectal behavior therapy, something i have been studying for years now. it's called "dbt: a mental health treatment that puts an

emphasis on mindfulness and regulating emotions" which sometimes can be very, very difficult to do. joining us now, the book's co-authors, dr. jillian galen and instructor of psychology at harvard medical school, and dr. blaise ageary, who is the medical director at harvard's mcclain hospital. the pair previously co-wrote the workbook's title "dbt for dummies" which was released in 2021. let me get this right. the book that's so amazing and helpful to people, comes out during covid, perfect timing, and now our nation's history. you guys picked your time very well, i must say. doctor, i'll start with you. how does this workbook work and

how does it serve as a partner to the original "dbt for dummies" and help people sort of manage through suffering from severe stress and tension. and i'll add one more thing to the question. how could this apply to beyond people who you treat? >> i actually think it's more -- [ indiscernible ] watching some of the segments earlier on today, you see such incredible polarization in politics. you'd think we were two different countries, two different groups of people. there's so much more in common. we tend to be in conflict. we tend to compare rather than to connect. but if we go back to its origins, it is a therapy. it's sort of seeing the world through other people's points of

view and understanding that they really want to be in connection. they want to be able to regulate. but how do you do that? if you don't speak a language, how do you speak a language? you learn it. if you don't know how to control your emotions or manage stress, how do you do that? the first book was more about the philosophy of dbt. in this book we give practical exercises for areas of need. >> i should point out i wrote the forward to this. dbt has been so helpful in not just my own life but in helping women through my know your value platform. there's a lot of emotional regulation that needs to happen in negotiations and in tense moments at work. so it's been so helpful.

and i also -- first, i was like i feel like i'm back in third grade, using a pencil writing out stuff. but then it got very real very soon. tell us about what the workbook does that goes so far beyond reading the type of advice you can get about this type of work for mindfulness as opposed to actually kind of playing it out? >> yeah. this is what's so critical and why blaze and i really were excited about the workbook. there's a lot of skills in dbt. we can read about things. we can learn about things. we can think that we know things, but really we don't consolidate information until we practice. and this book really, really guides you to sort of here's a skill, how do i put it into practice in my life? not only are we going to ask you to maybe write down a lot of

answers and think about things and reflect in writing, the book is going to guide you to go out into the world and do them. the book will allow you to write down and make a plan. then go practice this at work, go practice this when you're with your kids. if it's a big situation and you're not sure what to do, so how do you stay present? how do you use mindfulness to regulate your emotions and control your attention? mindfulness is the key, because those strong emotions hijack our attention. when our attention is hijacked, we are not as effective. >> that's so important. that last point is incredible, because if you lose your ability to be effective, it goes downhill from there. so let me ask you both to answer this question, because as blaze pointed out, we're in really

turbulent times, painful times. what skill can we use, what advice can you give us when you can't agree, when you can't break through to someone, when you feel you can't help someone? that's dysregulating to yourself, but it's also emotional hijacking when you can't break through, when you can't be validated, when you can't help a person you're trying to reach? >> i've seen families where people are on opposite ends of the political spectrum. if you think about this, you have a point of view and you're very certain about that point of view. but somebody could be on the other side and be just as certain about that point of view. what we do is we fight. we don't get curious about how they got there. now, maybe you can change their mind or maybe you can't, but often there's many things that you do have in common,

especially in families that you share some shared experiences. but we don't get curious about how people got there. when we get curious, it often allows you to understand, wait a second, that actually makes sense. that doesn't mean you agree with them, but there's more harmony in curiosity than in making sense. how did you get there? also, what are the other things that bind us even if this one thing separates us? >> jillian. >> i couldn't agree more. i think we live in a not terribly curious world. so it's this wonderful balance of curiosity and thinking about where does that person come from? what is the wisdom in their perspective? and also, what can i control? sometimes we have to step back and we have to accept i can't change this person's position,

but what can i do? can i change my relationship to this problem in some way? can i look at it from a different perspective? and what do i have to accept? sometimes we have to be able to accept differences. and when we can accept them and see the wisdom where they came from and hold what is important to us and our position, it allows us to move forward even if we are in disagreement. we also have to remember we can't make people change, right? we can't make them change. we can offer them different perspectives, but it's up to us to figure out what we can control and then what we have to let go of. we don't have to resign and say it will be like this forever, but we need to accept what's in front of us right now. that's the problem we work with. not the problem we imagined

happened in the future. >> i feel prepared for the next hour of "morning joe." we need to do a whole segment on acceptance. the new book, "dbt workbook for dummies" is on sale now. thank you both very much for coming back on the show with us and thank you for doing the workbook. take care. >> thank you for having us. >> good to have you. take care. up next, we'll have a look at vice president kamala harris' busy day in wisconsin where she was joined by a billionaire businessman who kicked about donald trump's tariff proposal. l liberty mutual customized my car insurance so i saved hundreds. with the money i saved i thought i'd get a wax figure of myself. cool right? look at this craftmanship. i mean they even got my nostrils right.

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