in a very blue city in a red state. i grew up in tennessee, so that dynamic felt familiar with all these different perspectives coming together in one place. >> it's also a lot of perspectives and a lot of laughs. all episodes are streaming now on hulu and disney plus. brian, thank you again. >> thanks for having me. >> that does it for us this morning. we'll be back here bright and early monday morning. ana cabrera picks up msnbc's coverage right now. right now on "ana cabrera reports," new reaction from hamas to the killing of its leader, as israel faces renewed pressure to pursue peace following the hamas chief's death. we're live in the region. 18 days to go. the presidential candidates descending on michigan today. their plans to campaign just miles apart.

plus, is this thing on? trump pulls out his best material for a charity dinner, but some of the jokes didn't quite land. >> i'm surprised that bill de blasio was able to make it. he was a terrible mayor, i don't give a [ bleep ]. >> and new evidence set to be unsealed today in trump's federal case after trump tried to claim election interference. ♪ ♪ good morning, and happy friday to you. it is 10:00 eastern, 7:00 a.m. pacific. i'm ana cabrera reporting from new york. we begin with the first public response from hamas, defiant after the killing of its leader by israel. a senior member of the organization telling nbc news hamas would only become stronger after the death of yahya sinwar, the architect of the october 7th

attack. we also heard from joe biden a short time ago during his trip to germany, calling on israel to pursue a path to peace following sinwar's death. >> the death of the leader of hamas represents a moment of justice. he had the blood of americans, palestinians, israeli and so many others on his hand. let's also let this be an opportunity to seek a path of peace without hamas. >> this as israel just released this new video showing sinwar just before his deadly encounter with the idf. nbc's erin gilchrist joins us today. also with us, the former israeli consul general. aaron, what more are we learning about this operation that led to sinwar's death, and israel's plans toer what's next?

>> reporter: i just heard from the israeli military spokesperson give a briefing, and in that briefing, he gave some new details in terms of how this battle unfolded. he said that it happened on wednesday in the rafah area. he said the israeli military were conducting a routine patrol when they came across three militants, two looking suspicious, wearing blankets seeming to conveal the third wearing a vest. they believe the third was yahya sinwar. a battle ensued, and this battle lasted for hours. the encounter began late morning and lasted into the nightfall. and during the course of the battle, and israeli soldier was seriously wounded, now being treated in the hospital. at one point in time toward the end of the battle, the two men separated from sinwar and sinwar, according to the spokesperson, ended up alone

inside of a building. that's when they sent in the drone to see where he was. you can see in that footage, the israeli military has released and nbc has been unable to verify it, but you see who they say is yahya sinwar sitting alone, very muched, wounded, his arm shot or badly mangled in a chair. his face covered, and toward the end of the video, you see him throw a stick at the drone. shortly after that point, according to the spokesperson, the stilli military fired a tank into the building, killing him. at that point, they say it was nightfall, and they decided to leave for security reasons. it wasn't until thursday morning that the troops returned to that area to find the body, and that's when they noticed that the militant they killed looked like yahya sinwar. they took his dna, and dental records and confirmed the news by the afternoon, ana. >> so erin, what is next? what is israel's plan now?

>> reporter: well, we heard from the israeli prime minister last night in that statement that he gave, no mention of cease-fire. he said that this war would end when hamas puts down its weapons and lets the hostages go. but as you point out, ana, we just heard from senior hamas politician to nbc news say they're going to continue to keep fighting. so the question being, yes, hamas has been dealt a serious blow by sinwar's death. but what happens next to the organization, and there's deep skepticism here in the region that his death will mark the end of this war. >> aaron gilchrist, joe biden spoke with benjamin netanyahu yesterday. what more are you learning about that phone call and how the u.s. views this moment in the war? >> reporter: joe biden has spoken about the death of sinwar

several times since he's been on the ground here in berlin. he did speak with the israeli prime minister while he was flying here last night. he said when he landed, that it was a good day for the world upon learning about the death of sinwar. he did characterize his phone call with the prime minister which he congratulated benjamin netanyahu on the mission that led to the killing of sinwar in gaza. he also said that he believed this was a moment in time where the conversation needed to turn to ending the war in gaza, getting the hostages out of gaza, and talking about what happens next for the palestinian people, as well. i want you to hear a little more of what the president said when he first landed here in berlin late last night.

>> reporter: joe biden had both his national security adviser and secretary of state on air force one with him last night. they were able to update him on developments as they were coming in. the president also said he will dispatch secretary of state antony blinken to israel in the next several days to begin this process of figuring out what the day after looks like, trying to bring a close to the war in gaza, trying to bring a cease-fire deal, something elus year since this war started. for joe biden, this is something that he's been thoughtful about in terms of how it will be a part of his legacy, or whether it will, as his administration comes to a close in the next several months.

>> thank you both for joining us. ambassador, this time yesterday, it wasn't yet confirmed that it was, in fact, sinwar who had been killed. now it is confirmed. what does his death and this killing mean for hamas as an organization? >> well, look, hamas as an organization, ana, has seen its military power substantially degraded in the last year, and certainly in the last several months. hamas politically lost the second in command, another that was killed in tehran a month and a half ago. and now its real leader, yahya sinwar. their entire chain of command has been disrupted and destroyed. but that doesn't mean the organization is dead and buried and can't operate anymore. unfortunately, you know, the

break of the chain of command and the disruptions in any kind of command and control and communications, means that it's difficult to deal with and difficult to anticipate. ostensibly, they have -- [ inaudible ] that makes it much more difficult to deal with and fight against. >> if it's difficult to deal with, does that make it more complicated when it comes to any kind of negotiation for a cease-fire and hostage deal? >> you know, i heard, ana, the president immediately after the killing of sinwar and then again right now on your show and in germany, i also heard the vice president say similar things. you know, i think there is a misunderstanding in washington on the immediate implications. people there may be thinking that conditions were not right for a cease-fire and a hostage

deal before sinwar, but thousand that sinwar is dead, they are. this is an inflexion point. it is not. the reasons we do not have a cease-fire and a hostage deal for the last several months is because prime minister netanyahu does not want one. now, he may be right, he may be wrong, but he does not want one. in fact, there's an argument to be made that yahya sinwar was justified 100 times over could have been done after a hostage deal, not instead or before a hostage deal. so looking at things right now, with 18 days before the election, i doubt there's going to be a cease-fire or hostage dole. in fact, i know it's crowd and horrible to say this, but here it is, i think the hostages are now in greater danger of being executed than previously. >> so let me just ask a further question about this, then.

you talk about netanyahu being key to having a hostage deal happen. what is his calculation now? does he feel emboldened to do more to target hamas, or is there increased pressure to pursue peace? >> well, that's a great question, ana. and it should be proceeded by a question of, where is this hamas that he still wants to target? it doesn't really exist. those bands of terrorists that roamed around gaza at night or hiding or concealed from israeli forces, that could take years. that requires an extensive years long search and destroy war of attrition. i don't think that israel wants that. so the question is, and we go back to the same questions of the last year, and even on your show we discussed this, you and i. what is the political objective? so i read today in the most

column in "the new york times" that the u.s., qatar, saudi arabia, and the egyptians, and egypt, are together working on some kind of initiative to put an arab force in place of hamas, and then that would lead to the beginning of a negotiation between israel and the palestinians. i don't see that happening for the same reason this could not have happened months ago, because mr. netanyahu does not want it. and he has an extreme messiahic right wing coalition. yes, killing sinwar was right, but that being established, mr. netanyahu will now focus on lebanon and in the next ten days probably iran before he goes back to gaza and before we can ascertain what he wants to achieve. >> ambassador, i always value

your expertise. thank you for joining us at this crucial moment in the war. appreciate your time. ahead, i'll talk to the father oh of an american hostage taken by hamas. his message to netanyahu and the world. plus, harris ramps up attacks against her opponent, calling him unhinged and unstable, as trump's rambling speeches raise concerns in his own campaign. also ahead, the new evidence we could see today in trump's federal interference case. and a last-minute intervention. we're back in 90 seconds. intervention we're back in 90 seconds (vo) at verizon every phone can be the new iphone 16 pro with apple intelligence. wow phones are going to be flying to verizon. switch to verizon and get the new iphone 16 pro, and get a new ipad and apple one, all on us. only on verizon. when anyone in this house wears white, it doesn't stay white for long.

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this is a state where democrats and republicans have traded wins in each of the last two elections. so a lot on the line here, it's why kamala harris has three separate events in the state today. former president trump will be here for a pair of events, as well. notably for the two candidates, they will be in the same county within a couple of hours of each other. shows you how important they view the state as part of the blue wall going forward. as part of a long starting new york tradition, the al smith catholic dinner, a tradition where they are invited to deliver their best political punchlines. trump there in person, kamala harris sending in a prerecorded remark. take a quick look. >> is there anything that you think maybe i should. bring up tonight? >> well, don't lie. thou shall not bear false witness to thy neighbor. >> especially thy neighbor's election results. >> right now, we have someone in

the white house can barely talk, but enough about kamala harris. >> reporter: mary katherine gallagher there as part of kamala harris's skit. why is michigan so important this time? well, tomorrow, parts of the state begin in-person early voting. it's why they're making this push to get on the air waves in this crucial state in these final days, and notably, this morning we have learned that harris is going to be on the trail with the obamas for the first time next week. former president barack obama expected to join her on thursday in georgia, and then right back here in michigan. former first lady michelle obama, her first time on the campaign trail, other than the democratic national convention, she will be alongside harris back here in this state. back to you. >> peter alexander, thanks. let's bring in "new york times" chief white house correspondent and nbc political analyst peter baker. and former biden 2020 senior adviser, alensia johnson.

peter, both candidates there in michigan today, home to some 200,000 muslim voters. israel's been a major issue where progressives and arab americans want to see vp harris charting a different course from joe biden. so with hamas' leader dead now, does she have a chance to do that? >> yeah, that's a good question whether she can pivot a little bit. she probably won't given anything that seems a contradiction to joe biden. she's made it clear that she doesn't want to do that not just on gaza but any significant policy issue. she wants to be seen as loyal to her president, even as she tries to distinguish herself. but it does raise a question whether she can make an emphasis about the need and the war, whether she can take what joe biden just said, as you showed him on the tarmac in berlin, and expand it to that audience to say it's our administration that wants to free the hostages and end the war in gaza, and explain

to those voters who may be skeptical of her, that she would be better on the issues they care about than donald trump. but that's been a hard sell till now, and she's walking a very toigt line between loyalty to the president and trying to appeal to these disaffects democrats. >> trump says she won't allow refugees from gaza into the country, republicans are still seeing an opening with arab american voters, especially in michigan, similar to how some hispanic voters are breaking for trump. how does vp harris counter this with just a couple weeks left? >> listen, i think she continues to do what she has been doing, which is having open conversations with the community leaders, and listening to them and being in michigan and being present. i also think, yes, donald trump has opened --

[ inaudible ] -- but my conversations with a lot of voters, arab american and muslim voters, they don't necessarily see donald trump as the answer. so to me, it seems as though it's a waste of time and energy for republicans, because donald trump has said that he would -- he wants extremely hard things. so it's interesting that they are troying to engage a community that quite frankly donald trump has shown -- [ inaudible ] -- will continue to talk to the voters and these communities about what they need. >> peter, let's talk about some new reporting in your paper when it comes to the trump campaign. various trump allies and advisers think the former president's increasingly rambling appearances are becoming a liability. on one hand, this is trump being trump, right? is it a liability?

>> well, look, it is trump being trump to some extent. people go to his rallying and expect him to be, you know, entertaining in a way, and they see the sort of rambling and sometimes incoherent performances as part of the schtick. but i think that he has, in fact, demonstrated change in the last few years. we spent a lot of time going back and looking at rallies over the last ten years and noticed his speeches and rallies have grown longer, more incoherent at times. he uses more all or nothing language. he uses more prprofanity. these are all signs in theory of an aging candidate, and he had joe biden on the other side of the contest for a while, and he could focus on biden's issues in terms of capacity and frailty. but now it's trump who is the oldest candidate in the race, and will be the oldest president in history if he wins. so there are concerns about

whether or not he is up for the job. and you see that reflected along some republicans who are supporting him, worry that he's not showing the same capacity that he once did as he heads to the final stretch. >> something that his opponent wants to highlight, as we have seen her repeatedly calling trump unhinged, unstable and dropped a new ad focusing on that. watch. >> if he wins, he'll ignore all checks that rein in a president's power. it's all in the project 2025 agenda, a second trump term, more unhinged, unstable, and unchecked. we are down to just days left in this election. is this their best closing pitch? >> listen, i think it's an incredibly smart strategy. not only does it encapsulate that not only democrats have talked about with donald trump but republicans who are not voting for him, the fact that he doesn't have any of the, you

know, living republican presidents campaigning for him. it is because he is unhinged, and people that served with him in his administration, and it is a key strategy, because it's getting under donald trump's skin. he is taking the bait. and he's becoming even more unstable when he's hearing these attacks. [ inaudible ] -- and so i think it's a really smart strategy because, again, it throws him off his kilter and focuses him on these attacks. [ inaudible ] >> thank you both so much. happy friday, guys. up next on "ana cabrera reports," trump's trial. what we could see today when evidence is unsealed. the ex-president's federal

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welcome back. we are awaiting new evidence set to be released today, in the federal election interference case against donald trump. we're talking about the redacted appendix in the immunity breath. the judge rejecting the former president's attempt to block the release, writing -- if >> joining us now is nbc's ken delainian. what are we expecting to learn from this new disclosure?

>> reporter: that is the big question, ana. good morning. we know that the trump team worked very hard to keep this information from the public. so that suggests there may be some interesting things in here detrimental to donald trump. we're talking after all, about 1,000 pages of the underlying evidence that supported that filing that you mentioned that jack smith filed earlier this month, and that one had a lot of new revelations about the conduct of donald trump and the people around him. this is all the underlying evidence that supports that. but the thing that i think a lot of people are missing is that jack smith already proposed that much of this should be redacted. all the sensitive information, the grand jury testimony, the names of people. so what we may see is material that's already been made public, excerpts of mike pence's book, excerpts of testimony from the january 6th committee. but it stands to reason, in 1,000 pages of evidence, there may be a few tasty morsels in here. we have a reading team that will

pore over this the moment that it's released and will get back to you with any new details. >> can't wait to share those tasty morsels with us. ken, thanks. we'll be watching closely for those developments. there's also new allegations today that former president trump overcharged secret service agents protecting him and his family for stays at his d.c. hotel when he was president. according to a new report from house democrats, trump corporation jacked up the rate at these hotels for secret service personnel. and when other guests were paying for rooms on the same night. it says trump benefited from foreign and domestic officials staying at the hotel. the allegations are part of an investigation by the democrat house oversight committee. trump's campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

next here on "ana cabrera reports," will the death of hamas' leader and architect of the october 7th attack lead to a hostage dole breakthrough? i'll talk to one of the father of a hostage held by hamas. his message now to netanyahu and the united states. w to netanyahd the united states. . i'm here to help you understand how to get the most from medicare. if you're eligible for medicare, it's a good idea to have original medicare. it gives you coverage for doctor office visits and hospital stays. but if you want even more benefits, you can choose a medicare advantage plan like the ones offered at humana. our plans combine original medicare with extra benefits in a single, convenient plan with $0, or low monthly plan premiums. these plans could even include prescription drug coverage with $0 copays on hundreds of prescriptions. plus, there's a cap on your out-of-pocket costs. most plans include dental, vision, even hearing coverage. there are $0