my mother saved up when i was a teenager, and i know for so many young people who i speak with around our country, the american dream is really out of reach. so my policy about $25,000 down payment assistance to help them get their foot in the door. the work that i have been doing and will bring to the presidency emphasizing small businesses, has been part of the bone of the economy. those are the experiences and the ideas that i have that are about moving forward and really being a part of the next generation of leadership in america. >> reporter: last one, we heard people chanting happy birthday. you have a milestone birthday on sunday. chivalry is not dead. i'm not going to say what age you're turning, but you talk about generational change, what does generational change mean to you? >> i think it's it's about a state of mind, and understanding we should be focused on this moment, and this is a very particular moment where there is a lot happening in our country that is about innovation and new

approaches to long standing challenges. it's a new generation of thinking as much as anything else. >> reporter: vice president, be safe on the trail. happy birthday. appreciate your time. thank you. >> that's peter alexander talking to kamala harris outside of a rally in grand rapids, michigan. jonathan alter is back with us. john, i want to ask you a question about her answer to peter on a policy that she would break with on president biden. it seems like she struggles to answer that, why? >> it's always heard for vice presidents. >> but come on, she's running for president. giving her the green light, as peter said. >> you don't want to throw them under the bus. that would not be a good move. what she did today i thought was very interesting. she put a little meat on the bones. remember, she said in the fox interview, my presidency would not be a continuation of joe biden's presidency. that raised the question, what did she mean. she said, two issues today that she would emphasize that joe

biden did not. home health care under medicare, which is an issue of great importance to sandwich generation, and a lot of people other, and housing. let's be honest, the biden administration did not exactly focus like a laser on housing. and she's trying to say that she would be different than biden in having that focus, and i thought that was a smart thing for her to do. let's bring in nbc news chief white house correspondent peter alexander. thank you for bringing us that interview. really good to have new words from the vice president speaking to us here at nbc news. i know you asked that question specifically because she has not been very clear, other than what john was saying, about how she might break with president biden, and that has been one of the sticking points for some voters in polling. they want to know how she's going to be different. they're looking for a change candidate, and they're looking

for ways in which she is that change candidate. >> reporter: yeah, candidly, katy, we asked that question. i spent the last several days in the midwest, speaking to voters, democrats and republicans, some who remain undecided at this time. i heard from several of them, they want to understand what's different about kamala harris than joe biden. she struggled to answer the question when she was on "the view", and then "stephen colbert" late night. and she made very clear she will not be a continuation of joe biden's presidency, but what remains unanswered is specifically policy-wise what she would have done differently over the course of the last three and a half years. she wants to talk about the future has been a campaign theme. that does leave some unanswered questions for voters in the waning days. i was struck by this conversation with her over recent says. it's her experience she is not seeing a gender gap with men. we are seeing a historic gender gap, at least according to our polling right now. donald trump with an advantage

of 16 points, according to the latest nbc news poll with men. kamala harris enjoying an 8 point advantage. the 16 point advantage would be twice what joe biden lost in 2020. he lost by 8 points among men then. even though she says she isn't noticing it, it remains a unique point. among all voters, there's a divide between those with college educations and those without in this country. a double digit advantage among men who do not have a cleaning degree. -- college degree. 28 points. there's certainly room where her campaign hoping to tighten those margins, specifically as it relates to men. we have new reporting on nbc that beginning today the harris campaign is ramping up some of its efforts, its outreach toward male voters. they are advertising on several platforms that cater to largely

males. draftkings, they have been accelerating their advertising on sports news sites, fantasy sports sites, and if you're a sports fan like me, you have seen a lot more of kamala harris's ads during the major league baseball playoffs, nfl games on sunday, and college football. they realize the number, in spite of her words is one they need to sort of tighten. >> you're so right about that. i have been watching a lot of baseball, and you're getting two big ads, one of them is donald trump talking about transgender surgeries and migrants in prison, him saying that she's for them. he's for you. and then kamala harris coming out much different tone, and her own ad saying you're going to hear a lot of ugly talk about me. this is to divide this country. i'm trying to bring it together. i've seen that ad. i've seen both of those ads two dozen times at least. peter alexander, thank you very much. thank you again jonathan alter. john miller, thank you for joining us.

thank you for writing this article and explaining your thinking. we appreciate you being on. >> thanks for having me. coming up, a conversation about trust. who or what has broken it, and whether we can get it back. an gk

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"i'm ready to deliver that change on day one." mark farrell. a proven leader with the experience we need. trust, it is hard to gain and very easy to lose, and in the last nine years, we've collectively lost a whole lot of it. well, it is not exactly fair to blame any one person for the

degradation of trust in this country. after all, there are a lot of contributing factors. it would be a glaring omission not to examine one person and how that person in particular has helped to pour acid on these scaffolds of our society. what have we lost since donald trump took over american politics. what has he specifically done and gone after? back in 2015, it arguably started with journalism and journalists themselves, something i saw up close in the campaign trail as trump accused every single one of us of lying in order to inoculate from tough campaign coverage. then it moved on to political parties, first the gop establishment for not opening its arms to him, and then the democrats for running against him. then it was elections themselves. back in 2016, when it looked early on that he might lose on election day. then, the fbi investigating as many ties to russia. the separation of powers for holding him back, then public

health for telling americans to stay safe and inside as the world figured out coronavirus in the early months. then elections, again, this time with big and violent consequences. then judges and the judicial system for ruling against him. today it's recovery workers as he goes after fema claiming falsely the agency is redirecting disaster funds to migrants, leaving people who are trying to help fending off death threats. why has it been so easy to tear down trust in each of these places, and is it even possible to build it back up. joining us now, brookings institution senior fellow and author of why presidents fail and how they can succeed again, ilene kaymark. you where about trust and our institutions, governmental institutions and how resilient they were, how they were designed to be resilient in the face of somebody who wanted to come in and rye to abuse them

like donald trump. do you think that we are still as resilient as donald trump is running again, as the polls are neck in neck? he might retake the white house? >> well, i think we saw in the first term that our institutions were very resilience, and that was a good thing. the founding fathers had to be smiling from their graves that it all worked, the judiciary was independent, did not allow trump to overturn the election. congress stood up to him not once but twice. they impeached him. you know, they held him back from doing things that he wanted to do like revoking obamacare. you know, the institutions work. the governors, during covid, the governors stood up to him and said, no, we know you want things to open up but even republican governors defied him. the press is in pretty good shape. just before we came on, i checked to make sure "the new york times" is still making a profit. you guys are still making a profit.

so things are going well. the press is not dead. and finally, the federal bureaucracy, they work according to the rule of law. the business of fema officials giving money to immigrants is just ridiculous. you can't do that. that is illegal. okay. there are the government gives out money to the agencies in fairly well defined pots, and a federal official can't just move that around without the consent of congress. so so far, what i would say say about this is so far so good. what we saw in the first term was the federal government, the courts, the governors, everyone standing up and checking trump's worst instincts. >> what about our ability to agree on truth, to agree on facts, to have a shared reality, and this is not entirely donald trump's fault, but this is a product of a culture where we can go to any one of our silos and get the information that we

want to hear. you say the news business is doing fine. we're not doing as well as we used to. there are so many different places you can get news and quotes. you can get somebody on you tube just talking, and you'll say, oh, that person knows what they're talking about. they don't know what they're talking about or you can go and read a post on facebook. you can hear that dogs and cats are being eaten by immigrants, and you can choose to believe that, even over the officials who are saying, no, this is not true. again, this is social media. this is where you can go and get your information. it's helped along by donald trump. donald trump showing a lot of politicians and people who want to use that that you can get away with lying, as long as you repeat it enough, and as long as you target something that people want targeted. are you worried, not so much about the institutions but about the ground underneath our institutions? >> i am worried about that. and what i'm particularly

worried about is that donald trump will use his ability to lie and to undercut institutions and in a second term, he'll be smarter about it, and he'll look for ways of weakening those institutions. today, the congress, the press, the judiciary is as strong as it was in legal terms. purely legal terms. it has always powers. he didn't take power away. but keeping this kind of rhetoric up begins to undermine trust. you begin to elect people like marjorie taylor greene, and other maga types in the congress who would happily undo the guardrails of our democracy, and that's where it gets really really serious. and i think that's why so many people are concerned about a second term for donald trump. >> does it worry you about violence in the future, political violence or a fracturing of this country?

>> i am and i'm not. i mean, so far we are not a banana republic, okay. >> what do you say so far? >> so far, right. i mean, i think there's some people who would like us to be. but so far, donald trump does not control the means of force. he does not control the military. we saw this on january 6th when it was mike pence and nancy pelosi on the phone to the pentagon, not donald trump. and so so far so good. the military, the police forces, they are still working according to the rule of law, not according to to what donald trump or some other maga politician says. but that can unravel. it has unravelled in other countries around the world, although never in a country with as long a tradition of democracy as ours. so i'm sort of cautiously optimistic. >> i'll take that. i'll take that. i like that. thank you very much for joining

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yahya sinwar bring the war in gaza to a close. prime minister benjamin netanyahu has not said that explicitly but saying the death of the so-called butcher of khan yunis will be an opportunity. >> translator: but now has been eliminated you will see there will be a decline of the evil and they will no longer rain over gaza. this is the beginning, this is the day after hamas now. it is now an opportunity for you to be released and freed of his tyranny and to you, the hamas, believe me the leaders they can never flee us. they will be eliminated. >> joining us now, endowment for international peace senior fellow and former negotiator for the state department aaron david miller who does israel negotiate with now? who do the qataris mediate with now that sinwar is dead? >> there are two principle

decisions that need to be made. who or what as you pointed out who will succeed sinwar and the options here are pretty elusive. you have mohammad sinwar, yahya sinwar's brother who is more radical than he is, a couple battalion commanders in gaza city who have some measure of seniority and the external leadership. until we have a much better idea of who or whether there's command and control in the wake of sinwar's death it's really hard to imagine any sort of negotiation. then, of course, there's the other decision maker. benjamin netanyahu. and i'm still not persuaded, given that even though the prime minister talks about focusing on the redemption of the hostages, that, in fact, he has prioritized them. i think it's important and he'll continue the campaign to destroy what remains of hamas but i'm not sure he's prepared to make the kinds of decisions that might actually be necessary now in order to free the 101

hostages both living and -- >> what are those decisions in order to get them out? >> if you look at the previous three phase deal, it was a limited exchange of hostages for a large number of palestinian prisoners charged for killing israelis, given the fact that he has eliminated has san nasrallah of hezbollah and the israelis found and killed yahya sinwar the notion that netanyahu now would strain his coalition by agreeing to release an asim metcle number of palestinian prisoners and the second demand to withdraw early forces from gaza is not tethered to reality. hamas may be in a weakened position to cut some sort of deal but i don't see it happening any time soon. one final point. go ahead sorry. >> sorry for interrupting you. israel has lost so much standing

internationally for the war they've been waging on gaza and the dead civilians caught up in this. hamas has blame as well for continuing to wage the war and hiding among civilians but israel has gotten the bulk of the criticism here, and i wonder, can they continue to weather that, now that sinwar is dead? can they still wage a war now that sinwar is dead some you know, you got two principle constituencies here. one is the united states, will the biden administration three weeks before one of the most consequential elections in modern american history continue to back israel as it stands on the cusp of a major conflict of iran which is the other shoe that needs to be dropped. the answer is yes, absolutely. and the second constituency, you know, the israelis can put half a million people on the streets but the israeli political system 60 plus 1 you can be the prime minister and continue to govern. there's a kind of euphoria that has taken hold among the israeli

public given the events of the past month, that's going to fade. that's going to pass. if kamala harris should become the president-elect, it may well be, it could be, that the administration during the lame duck period would be prepared to exercise perhaps more leverage on the israelis in the three months plus that they have remaining in the term. if donald trump is elected, i think whatever the biden administration does in the next three or four months is almost certain to be reversed. >> yeah. >> by the incoming administration. the headlines here could be pretty positive. but the trend lines don't look all that good to me. >> aaron david miller, thank you very much. and on the subject of the transition and who it might be, let's bring in nbc correspondent yasmin va suingen you've been talking to voters here in america and what aaron is talking about is so important, that there could be a different

amount of pressure on israel if kamala harris is elected, than if donald trump is elected. and arab americans you've been speaking to have been saying they don't like kamala harris. wonder if they appreciate that -- the issue between her and him? >> it's interesting because of the question that peter alexander just spoke of with the vice president in asking her to differentiate herself from the and what her presidency would look like. they feel as if kamala harris is in lockstep with president biden when it comes to the policy pertaining to israel and hamas and lebanon as well. i sat down with lebanese voters in dearborn, michigan, and they feel forgotten, like they're being treated as second, third, fourth-class citizens the only time in which politicians care about them is every four years but in the interim they don't listen, they don't want to hear their voices.

let's take a listen. >> who is voting for donald trump in '24? >> it's possible. >> yeah. >> it's definitely not harris that's nor sure. >> who is voting for kamala harris here? absolutely no? >> no. not possible. >> there's nothing she can do or say for us to change our mind. >> who is voting third party? in 2024? >> a good chance. >> jill stein. >> uh-huh. >> likely. >> also a possibility will just abstain from voting altogether. that's not the best political strategy, you know. >> why are you voting for donald trump? >> because my main goal is to get someone who is actively funding a genocide out of office. >> is your vote for donald trump a vote endorsing donald trump or is it a vote against kamala harris? >> against kamala harris. >> donald trump has said he will reinstate the muslim ban. >> he said that last time. >> he said that he wants

netanyahu to finish the job. >> donald trump said a lot of things his first time around that terrified me. the campaign that the democrats ran was that donald trump hates us. i felt safe around the country when trump was in office. i don't feel safe with kamala in office. that speaks more. >> trump is definitely bad news for this country, and it's unconscionable for me to want to vote for a man like that. i would not with a protest vote, vote for trump. >> some would argue a vote for jill stein is a vote for donald trump. that's a moral decision i'm going to make, that i cannot put a vote behind a man that, obviously, have this nefarious intent. >> i could not find a kamala harris voter to go on camera. >> yasmin, thank you very much. that's going to do it for me this hour. "deadline: white house" starts right now.