>> the easy answer of course i want those voters. i want all of those voters. and, you know, this also comes at a time when kamala harris is making a very, very concerted play for those haley voters. she, you know, had the big rally with republicans for harris in pennsylvania. she's going to be traveling around the country with liz cheney and they're aiming at those soft republicans and what does donald trump do? he just dumps on nikki haley. this is donald trump. he has no impulse control. you saw so many aspects of trump and those clips you played. you have the thin skinned man baby but you have the authoritarian bully that, you know, that fox is in the tank for him, but in trump world you cannot suck up hard enough. to mara's point, yes, it's chilling what he's demanding from the networks, but more

chilling, has been his campaign to say that cbs, for example, should be stripped of its license because they allegedly edited an interview as if fox never edits any interviews whatsoever. so this is one of those where donald trump can look like a thin-skinned man baby but also dangerous because he will have the ability where he thinks he has the ability to use the power of the federal government to attack and to punish anyone in the media that questions him or even has people on the air that would question him. >> or takes money for ads as is custom practice. rev, i know you have a big weekend, big interview. tell us what you're looking forward to speaking with the vice president about? >> i want to talk to the vice president we're doing the interview in atlanta. she and governor walz are going to church that morning. i want to talk about clearly a vision in her program and

policies, but i want to talk to her about how she particularly has focused in the last few days on getting out black voters and getting out republican voters. i think the fact that she has had the rally with 100 republicans does that make some people on the left or center uneasy. so we've always talked candid. we've always worked well together. but we've always been candid. it's going to be a very frank and candid conversation, and i'm happy to do it in her closing argument weeks. >> i am very much looking forward to watching that interview. you can watch it along with me, rev and the vice president, vice president harris, down in atlanta, this weekend, right here on msnbc. that is sunday 5:00 p.m. thanks to mara, reverend al sharpton and charlie sykes. both presidential campaigns have a keen eye on one demographic in particular, and it might not be the one you expect.

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>> if only there was a phrase for that when someone has a theory about a conspiracy and proof optional apparently, but it's all part of the plan for the trump campaign. deploring elon musk not just to spread misinformation but catch the attention of certain young men to appeal to high alpha males, his phrase, not ours, to promote a more toxic brand of masculinity. what do you expect when your chosen candidate says something like this in front of clergy no less. >> there's a group called white dudes for harris. i'm not worried about them at all because their wives and their wives' lovers are all voting for me. i used to think that democrats were crazy for saying men have periods but then i met tim walz. >> joining our conversation democratic congressman eric swallow of california and co-founder and executive director of protect democracy,

ian bassett. i am sorry to make you listen to that -- >> as a white dude for harris. >> white dude for harris, what are they doing? >> elon musk is beyond repair. he has a massive factory outside my district in fremont, california. he should be in the history books with edison and einstein and instead he is just kind of this crackpot conspiracy theorist. it shows who will be advising donald trump if he has a second term. it's going to make the first term look like a basket lunch by the lake if you think about who now will be with donald trump in the room as decisions are made. kamala harris has built a coalition, not just white dudes, it's black women, i put together comics for kamala and cooking for kamala. >> big on literation. >> she's trying to unite the country and be the future and

donald trump, i think, you know, by taking this tact very much shows that he's a past and a past that we want to stay in the rearview mirror. >> before i transition out of the politics on this i want to talk to you about elon musk. this is going to be the first presidential election with musk as owner and buried in the company's new terms of service this week a clause that limits lawsuits to his favorite texas court. this is from reuters, quote, it is common for companies to include a venue clauses in their terms of service directing what forum, he or any disputes filed against them. but the choice of the northern district of texas stands out because x is not even located in the district. the northern district has become a favored destination for conservative activists and business groups to pursue lawsuits seeking to block part of joe biden's agenda, a tactic democratic lawmakers say smacks of judge shopping. talked about town square. what does it say when the town square is run by a trump

surrogate? >> i mean look there's a long history of very rich men cozying up to politicians in order to get their tax breaks and their corporate welfare and every legal advantage they can get and appears that elon musk is no different in that regard. he has said he once was an obama supporter. i can remind people because i worked on president obama's 2008 presidential campaign and worked on president obama's space policy that one of the policies obama pushed back then was to privatize space flight and have commercial companies like spacex carry american astronauts up to international space station and lo and behold guess who supported obama back then, elon musk who has gotten wealthy off government subsidies that flowed from that program. today who does musk apparently think he can control more in office, this 78-year-old bumbling seemingly lost and ma

nip pew litble donald trump. the cynical strategy that it appears that musk and trump have in order to line their pockets and the pockets of their fellow billionaires to take advantage of and manipulate men they view as gullible and weak with all of these attempts to use school-yard tactics to bully men into supporting them. the fact as i think congressman swalwell will say, the white men we know are smarter than that and stronger than that and they're not going to fall for that. it is a cynical tactic and as old as politics itself. >> i have about 60 seconds left, but republicans have made an investment here, right, over the course of the last few years, they're out spending democrats when you look at digital media aimed at young men. there is structurally work to do in terms of persuasion. >> yes. but let's cut to the core. real men stand up and protect women. donald trump has been awful for women from the rights that he has ripped away from them to the ones he's personally assaulted.

he's not going to change. it makes him feel better to minimize women. so kamala harris has put together this coalition of people who are going to defend reproductive rights and women are not going to trust and no man who protects or defends a woman is going to trust an almost 80-year-old person who is broken also beyond repair. >> i wonder given your study of autocrats and autocracy what it tells you two and a half weeks out where trump is is bullying various groups into saying they ought to be voting for him one example white men we've talked about that at that same dinner. not going to play you the sound. catholics you got to be voting for me. i mean this is -- he's not persuading. he's just bullying at this point. >> the tyrants favorite tool is to pit people against each other on the basis of race, religion, or national origin because if people are fighting with each other it's easier for oligarchs

and donald trump and elon musk to pick their pockets of money and power. it's up to us if we want to protect our freedom and determination to not fall for that tactic. >> ian, thank you as always for joining us. congressman swalwell is sticking up. up next the judge rejecting the president's push to keep evidence from his indictment secret until after the election. more on that after this. this.

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the judge overseeing special counsel jack smith's federal election interference case against donald trump released a trove of new evidence against the ex-president today. many of the nearly 2,000 pages of documents are redacted likely including transcripts of interviews before a grand jury and the fbi. they revealed the sheer breadth of the special counsel's investigation into trump's attempts to overthrow the 2020 election. the new information released by judge chutkan againstobjections by the ex-president. wrote if the court withheld information that the public otherwise had a right to access solely because of the potential political consequences of releasing it -- let's bring in msnbc legal analyst andrew weissmann, congressman swalwell back with us. anything new you learned from what was released today? >> you know, frankly the answer to that is no. the only thing is what you

reported which was it was almost 2,000 pages. so that's quite a lot of information, but as you also noted, it was most of it -- when i say most, i mean 99% of it -- is redacted or is material that was already quite public, such as press releases or filings in court. so there was nothing new there. i sort of took away from this that, you know, donald trump, as you noted, had made this application to the judge saying this would be so unfair to release this because i want an opportunity to respond and one of the things that judge said is essentially be my guest. there is nothing that prevents you from responding and putting in information to the court or, frankly, the court of public opinion, and it was about a year ago that donald trump said that he was going to hold a press conference and was going to

reveal definitive, dispositivetive evidence he is not guilty. that never happened. it sort of came and went. and so this is his opportunity, if he thinks he's being treated unfairly, and he doesn't have the opportunity to respond, the judge said, you absolutely do and so on one hand you have almost 2,000 pages and on the other, you have zero. >> i'm waiting for so many things, congressman. i'm waiting for him to come forward with that proof. i'm waiting for his tax records. i'm waiting for his medical records. i don't know that i will ever see any of those things as you said to me, this time was his own doing. >> he has concepts of proof i'm sure in his head. >> the weave. >> the weave. >> this time is his own doing. donald trump is the one that went to the supreme court to claim that he had absolute immunity. he has at least three judges working up, you know, in the palm of his hand and so he got

the ruling that he wanted, which kicked the court timeline to where we are today. so if he thinks this is hurting him politically and he's doing everything he can to try to stormy daniels this and keep it quiet, well, too bad. it should hurt you politically if you violently stormed the capitol. by the way, any employer in america if they had a job applicant who at their last job got fired and after they were fired violently stormed the office from which they were fired, that employer would want to know that. we are all right now as voters we are the employer of the next president of the united states and people should know what he did. >> you know, andrew, it will not surprise you to know that the ex-president sees it somewhat differently. i want you to take a listen to something he said on the podcast. take a listen. >> i do believe, i do believe,

look, this is really corrupt stuff. the other thing is as you know, they really won in the supreme court, okay? the fisher case and the various cases. why are they still being held? nobody has ever been treated like this. maybe the japanese in the second world war, frankly. they were held, too. >> i understand that it is a rhetorical question, why they are still being held. perhaps would you like to offer an answer to the ex-president? >> i'm somewhat in shock having listened to. this he's reporting to the case which was the case of national origin and racial discrimination where japanese americans were interred during world war ii. to compare that to, as the congressman said, to people who were given all due process and a jury found that they were guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, or they're in jail because they

admitted it and were seeking to overthrow the will of the people, is shocking. and once again, the idea that this is somebody who could very well be again the president of the united states and was the president of the united states. it really shows where this country is that we are so down the wrong path in terms of the healthy democracy continuing. >> 30 seconds left, i think we all share the reaction to that. >> and donald trump believes january 6th was a day of love which is about as much of a day of love as december 7th was when pearl harbor happened and october 7th. he will never be able to console the country. that's why kamala harris as the future and somebody who can connect and console is so desperately needed for this moment.

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