whereas trump is cancelling events, claiming he is exhausted, massive contrast in the election. >> at opposed to everything that she has signs behind her that keep the focus on who the event is to be about. juanita tolliver, dr. jason johnson, thank you both so much for riding out this breaking news for me. catch me on the weekend along with co-host symone sanders town sunday and michael steele. tomorrow we will talk to jaime harrison, dnc chair, and sunday elizabeth warren joins the conversation. that's the weekend. thank you for spending this friday with us. do not worry, nicolle will be back with us on monday. "the beat with ari melber" starts right now. >> i want to welcome everybody to "the beat." harris continuing to do what trump won't, capping her intense fox interview with a new

exchange with nbc today. peter alexander caught up with her at her rally. she's also going to sit for a more extensive interview with our colleague, al sharpton, this weekend. we have more on that coming up. trump critic and "art of the deal" co-author is back with a warning. and making waves with this times piece about donald trump's rerun problem, wrestling to the wwe and how it is all starting to fade at the very time he needs more energy on the campaign trail. as if that was not enough, i am thrilled to tell you we also will by the end of the hour and the week, end it with kenny g's beat debut and he will be joined tonight by jason j, if you will, jason johnson. that's by the end of the hour. the top story in this busy campaign is kamala harris out here with these rallies. you saw on msnbc, she just concluded one moments ago. she has been in michigan, and that's coming off three wisconsin rallies yesterday. she is hitting trump with a criticism that he will certainly

grasp, arguing based on evidence in his own team's discussion this week that he has fallen far below just, say, low energy. he's fallen below tired, a state many know from life or memes. tired, just tired. who hasn't been there? he is falling more into a position where he cannot even do his campaign job with a few weeks left, bailing on interviews, on town hall questions and the like. so just like the internet meme you might know about how you can sometimes just feel unable to do something you left for tomorrow and then tomorrow arrives, shout-out to kermie -- again, we have all been there -- today kamala harris is branding donald trump, 78, as frankly just exhausted. so you saw some of the rally. we will show you right now some of the new remarks today remixed with how donald trump's past political disses may be

boomeranging on him in this home stretch. >> i've been hearing reports that his team at least is saying he's suffering from exhaustion, and that's apparently the excuse for why he's not doing interviews. >> you know what? i said it today. we cannot have a low energy individual as our president. we can't. and he's the lowest energy individual i've ever seen. >> of course, he's not doing the cnn town hall. he refuses to do another debate, and, you know, look, being president of the united states is probably one of the hardest jobs in the world. >> we told him, get off the stage, sleepy joe. sleepy joe, get off the damn stage. >> we really need to ask if he is exhausted being on the campaign trail, is he fit to do the job. i think that's a question that is an open-ended question that he needs to answer. >> is he fit? he needs to answer. has donald trump hit his low-energy phase at the worst possible time? is he tired? tired and grumpy?

is he up to the job is what harris is asking. trump did a fox appearance today, but he's also publicly pleading with the channel to just lose money, which corporations don't usually choose to do, and forfeit and reject any political ads against him. he has cancelled interviews here from "60 minutes" to an nra appearance. he has verged on what media calls a blackout from any other than the most supportive cocoon likes fox. it contrasts kamala harris's media blitz, traversing households that watch fox, msnbc, cbs, any combination thereof and also reaching people who get more info on line like the audiences for howard stern and "the breakfast club" and podcasts. continuing with more discussions with journalists today, because as i just told you harris just spoke with nbc's peter alexander. that was by her rally, the one that just concluded you might have seen some of. we will show a little bit at some length and you can see what

she's doing that trump is not. she is taking journalistic challenging questions, like pressing her on where she would actually specifically break with biden's policies, which is a fair, kind of real question for any candidate who is trying to distinguish what has been from what will be. she was asked about whether her campaign has lost any joy or momentum. here is that exchange. >> at the convention you passed yourself as a joyful warrior but in recent rallies you increasingly attracted former-president trump as unstable and unhinged. >> and unfit. >> is that an effective closing argument? >> i think that one is not to the exclusion of the other. i have a great deal of optimism, as do the people who are here, about the future of our country. i think it is one of the things that is building the momentum that we have. people really do believe in what is the promise of america and our responsibility to fight for it. that is not in conflict with also being clear eyed about the

danger that donald trump poses based on the language that he has used and his admiration for dictators, his inability to really focus on the needs of the american people, in particular working people. these things are not in conflict. they exist at the same time. >> the critics that say the joy is gone, you respond? >> i'm having a great time. >> president biden said this week every president has to cut their own path. what is one policy you would have done differently over the last three-and-a-half years than president biden? >> i mean to be very candid with you, you -- including mike pence, vice presidents are not critical of their presidents. >> he has given you that green light with his comments that you can carve your own path, so now that you have this ability? >> going forward, there's no question i bring my own experiences and life experiences. >> is there a policy that stands out to you in particular? >> sure. my approach to what we need to do around medicare covering home health care, born out of my

experience of taking care of my mother. my priority on housing. one, because i know what it means, affordable housing and the ability to buy a home. >> harris ticking off some of the policies she says go beyond what biden has been doing. that builds on the rebuttal she presented on fox for an audience that might hear them less, and certainly hear them at length and in context less often. she also accurately fact chaired baer, the interviewer, on the misleading way they teed up a clip of trump during that interview. we have an update on this story today. if you weren't watching fox last night, you may not have seen it yet. what she did during the interview, along with sort of the fact-checking rebuttal around it and the public response has drawn fox's bret baier to say he made a mistake in how it was originally presented. here is the remark. >> i'm sorry and with all due

respect that clip is not what he has been saying about the enemy within that he has repeated when he is speaking about the american people. that's not what you just showed. >> i believe i did make a mistake and i want to say that i did make a mistake when i called for a sound bite. i was expecting a piece of the enemy from within from maria bartiromo's interview. >> that is him addressing the point, saying she was right to correct what the trump quote was that, but that he was expecting something different to play. so i have now broadcast that for you tonight for context. you can hear his side of the story, his rendition. others remain skeptical of fox alum gretchen carlson posting online the wrong clip can certainly run but when that happens hosts say, sorry, that was the wrong clip. she writes he or his producers would have known it was the wrong one right then. then many reports are saying overall in this campaign home stretch, this was a net positive for harris.

she stood in the setting while trump ducks journalistic interviews, and with so many eyes on what was a rare clash, her first fox interview ever, we have more evidence pouring in. people have crunched numbers to show that he interrupted harris twice as much as he interrupted trump in that interview. that would not be literally balanced. it would be imbalanced if we're doing slogans. now, this isn't the most important thing in the world, but it is a topic because then we can show you the ratings. harris campaign posting online her fox interview more than doubled trump in those ratings. so when it comes down to trump and what he sells and his numbers and the ratings and how she is beating him, quote, even on fox news, well, we have a great guest to get into it. tony schwartz, co-author of "the art of the deal" depicted in the new "apprentice deal." we'll get into that. we're back in just 90 seconds. .

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film, "the apprentice." that's him in that scene and we will get to that but i want to start with something you know all about. i think you have been clear and eloquent from before donald trump's first campaign in '16 about the danger he poses, but also how he thinks and his ticks. does it matter to him that she doubled the fox ratings and what do you see in her piercing those bubbles, communicating something you know a lot about? >> well, he measures himself -- he measures his own worth numerically and quantitatively. that's why he is so -- why he for 20 years has sold his net worth or sold what he claims is his self worth to "forbes" or why he is so obsessed with the size of his crowds. all of that is a kind of hopeless attempt on his part to feel worthy in a way that internally he does not. so, yeah, any time somehow it

appears that he is lesser in a situation, he is going to be triggered. >> yeah. and we've seen opponents who might have had evidence or facts on their side get out maneuvered by donald trump. we've spent years at this table looking at investigations, at house -- the house subpoena process and at times it yielded good information, other times he seemed to out maneuver it. harris is closing, we are barely in 20 days and she is saying he is low energy, a coward, can't face her, can't face journalists. it strikes me as clearer message than sometimes around the deal about important but nuanced concerns. i'm want to play him saying if you duck a debate you're a coward and get your view of what she is doing to him right now. let's take a look. >> you know, some of them don't have the courage to do it. i don't want to say who, but there are a couple of -- >> we know who they are. >> there are a couple of them

that called me and told me, don't, i'm too nervous to say it. i'm saying to myself, here is a guy or a person supposed to negotiate against china. these guys come out of the womb and they're not even crying and we have guys afraid to go into a debate. >> what do you think about her baiting him at one level but saying to voters, whatever you heard about donald trump in the last many years, we are in the home stretch and this exhausted guy can't show up to do the job of campaigning? >> well, i think there are very few ways to siphon off votes from either side right now. >> yeah. >> and i think one of them is he's exhausted. i mean remember the hillary -- during the hillary campaign where she with the world trade center where she kind of collapsed and he used that. >> animal instinct. >> yeah. i mean he is a feral guy. he is a very animalistic human being. so i think that he -- i think he is -- i think she is going after

the very few things that i think can affect this. so what are they? so, number one, there is that he is clearly moving toward dementia. i mean forget -- >> you're not a doctor. >> exactly. >> but you know that. >> forget the diagnosis, what are the symptoms? he can't put sentences together. he loses track of what he's saying. he contradicts himself, and that is combined with the second thing that i think is powerful, which is we've always known that he is a man without conscience. he is shameless, meaning he will say anything to anyone. so what you just saw him say was absolutely clearly a lie. his fear is really high now, and if you combine the evidence of

dementia with a psycho pathic personality and his age and exhaustion as one of the consequences, this is one toxic brew that i think the -- that i think some voters will be influenced by. >> right. that's interesting because, again, it goes to if you are undecided in late october, right, we could have a whole side conversation about why that is, but i don't think you are going to -- i don't think you are going to close the deal with those folks by going into, you know, the history of russia and crimea or any other assorted important things. i want to turn to the movie. i know you love lil baby who is backing kamala harris every day, and he says every other night another movie getting made, meaning his rock star life is cinematic. here you are. who would have known a smart, maybe a low-key, nerdy writer like yourself ends up as a movie character with an actor having to study the toning of it all? so we're going to get into that. first i will show a little bit

of "the apprentice" film hitting theaters. it has jeremy strong playing the fixer who taught donald so much in real life. >> roy cohn, nice to meet you. >> roy doane. >> guilty as charged. >> how do you always win? >> there's rules. >> the first rule is attack, attack, attack. >> rule two -- >> no matter what happens you claim victory and never admit defeat. >> you have to be willing to do anything to anyone. >> the characters are based on real people, but there are plenty of fictionalized editions, that's clear when you walk into the film. trump was so upset he has been blasting the movie. he stayed up until 1:00 a.m. to post online about that. he had his lawyers send a formal lawyer trying to somehow stop the movie, which they can't in the united states. perhaps it reflect the attack, attack playbook which the movie discusses. meanwhile, as mentioned, tony,

we have an actor playing tony in the film in a scene where a writer meets with trump about "the art of the deal." >> i'm amazed you asked me to write this book, mr. trump, considering the article i wrote on you wasn't exactly flattering. >> you put me on the cover of a "new york" magazine and now you have to be nice because i'm paying you. >> i find it hard to settle on a grand narrative for the book. yes, you like making deals. >> i'm going to stop you right there, tony. i don't like making deals, do you understand? i love making deals. deals are my art form. >> "the art of the deal". >> it sounds good. >> the world is a mess, tony. you have to fight back. you have to have a tough skin. attack, attack, attack. you never, ever, ever admit defeat. you always claim victory, always. >> you know, that sounds like the u.s. foreign policy of the past quarter century. >> now, in "the new york times" you have a piece arguing that the film gets the most important

things right because beneath the bluster trump struck you as, quote, one of the most insecure people you had ever met and the least self aware. trump's essentially the same person today he was as a child, you write. that's the stranl warning this "apprentice" movie poses and it comes weeks before the election. explain. >> well, i think that the real issue with trump is what i said earlier, which is the absence of conscience combined with the decline cognitively means anything goes in this. look, he has one term if he wins and, you know, anne applebaum, the writer, is now making connections to what hitler said and all of the language of other fascist dictators. that's what he's going to do. the only limitation on what trump will do if he is reelected

president is what he can get away with. >> yeah, and that's more in a second term. we can show the evidence on that legally and the bureaucracy and all of that. >> and what he said. you know, the shamelessness now extends to saying in advance of being reelected -- which god knows i hope he won't be -- here is what i'm going to do. >> let me ask you about that because you spent time with him. we talk about how much hasn't changed and i think you make that point in the piece. something that has seemed to get worse is he used to keep the pr wiggle room. he might have deep down had exactly the negative agenda the whole time, but i remember -- i'm old enough to remember in 2016 -- >> even you are old enough to remember. >> -- when he and his aides would say emphatically what he said about hacking her e-mail, russia, was a joke. he's joking. no one could take his jokes, his rhetoric. you guys are so serious. they used to play that game. now when every fox anchors try to say to him, you didn't mean

dictator, you didn't mean enemy within, you didn't mean shooting people at the border, which as a lawyer looks to me like an unlawful order where the military would have to say no and then we'll see how he responds to that, and each time, tony, instead of finding the wiggle room he says, i did mean it. >> he's benefitting from repetition. he has -- look, we've had him around making these same comments. they've escalated them, but basically making the same comments for eight years now, nine years, count the first year that he ran, and you do as many dictators have learned succeed when you simply say something over and over whether or not it is true. so he has normalized -- >> yeah. >> -- for dozens, hundreds of politicians the idea that you can say whatever you want and you don't have to worry about whether it is true. >> yeah. >> so nobody's even -- nobody's even paying attention to that anymore. it is simply expected.

>> yeah. i think that's well put. it is an alert. it is an alarm. i'm running out of time, but how do you rate the actor who portrayed the young you? >> interestingly, he wrote me an e-mail yesterday to ask how i thought he did. >> just be honest. just tell us. >> i thought the scene wasn't all that interesting. >> would you have liked it to have more flavor? >> yes, i would like to have written the scene because i would like it to have been the scene that actually happened, but it wasn't that far -- >> do you feel that your actor portrayal came off too warm to trump? >> here's a confession. we're going back 30 years now, and i was not yet fully on to trump. if i had been -- >> yeah. >> -- i wouldn't have been doing that book. >> you wouldn't have done the book. i appreciate the candor. the least important question, was that at all your fashion then? did you dress like that? >> no. i dressed worse.

>> hey, tony schwartz. a couple of good answers, a little candor. our thanks. coming up, the campaign home stretch is happening and we have a reality show where producers made a splash with a "new york times" piece about what you see on your screen. trump has a rerun problem, as the reality shows and the pro-wrestling moves lose their power. that's next. power. that's next. (♪♪) heartburn makes you queasy? get fast relief with new tums+ upset stomach & nausea support, and love food back. (♪♪)

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does this trump show feel like it is approaching a fading, kind of rerun era? there's a "new york times" piece making waves, arguing trump's reality show antics are running out of steam, that trump has basically used the reality show genre but it is no longer working. this article by michael hershorn saying he used the audience to create shareable moments and jokes. how could he say all of the outrageous things, people ask? of course he says them, specifically because people will be shocked. this is a piece i'm reading from what i mentioned in the times by

the reality show producer. trump applied the reality show style to politics, quite effectively. this article recounts the fame and even the rewards back in the day for "survivor" richard hatch and his villain antics. >> rich, you are very openly arrogant, pompous human being. >> i'm actually planning something different from that that might benefit me and it is a little sneaky. >> rich's birthday is today and he celebrated immediately by taking off all of his clothes. >> who do you think wins. >> i don't know. >> take a guess. >> i know who doesn't. >> it is not that fat, naked guy, is it. >> the winner of the first survivor competition is -- rich. >> wow. hatch won, which opened up room on tv for rooting for the bad guys. now, in film and in fiction

that's common, but when you root for the bad guy in "scar face" it is all supposed to be fiction. here, cultivated to reality tv, which is a huge genre for decades, people rooting for a partly real bad guy. trump made himself the most hated man in america, and the rewards have been huge, writes this procedure, hirschorn, and you don't need to watch the shows to know how much they matter. the early reality tv shows look down right quaint compared to later iterations like on our sister bravo network, "real housewives"." >> the only thing artificial or fake about me, this! >> watch yourself before you get checked. >> who gonna check me, boo? >> [ bleep ]. >> no. >> you understand that -- >> never go after my -- husband. >> i said what i said!

>> here. go ahead. go ahead, heather. take it! >> oh, my god. >> what happens in our culture, in our discourse on television and on the line as we've talked about on this program doesn't just stay there. it has interaction with how we all live as a society and politics. for his part, trump has not mellowed. we were just discussing this in a very different context with someone who has known him for decades. he uses political extremist approaches honed through the reality villain approach. >> you like omarosa, the way she just talks to you? i mean do you like her? she has a very sharp edge. i don't know how you can like her personally. >> such a nasty woman. >> do you understand me? i'm going to sue you if you have to. do you understand me? yes, i hung up, i didn't get disconnected. >> we can sue them and win lots of money. we will open up the