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this morning on fox and friends, donald trump said the quiet part out loud. >> back on the campaign, another event to get to. thank you for giving us time . >> in the event i have now? a very big event, i will say rupert murdoch. that is a big event. i'm going to tell him something very simple, i can't talk to anybody else, don't put on negative commercials for 21 days and don't put on the air the horrible people that come and live. please do it this way and we will have -- >> we are 18 days out from the presidential election so i'm not sure where donald trump is getting 21 days, maybe with his america, it is november 8th. calendar mix-up aside, donald trump's objective is clear, this was donald trump on national television this morning saying that he would meet with the owner of one of the nation's biggest cable

channels and pressure him into not running any ads that criticize him or put on any gif's that criticize him. any other election in america, campaign defining scandal. with trump, it is just friday, hardly a blip on the radar. yesterday, trump threatened the cbs news show 60 minutes on truth social referencing fully fabricated scandal that he told 60 minutes to release the tapes saying, we can do it the nice way or the hard way. as a presidential candidate, pretty empty threat. as president, it is not. trump is very clearly telegraphing what he will do to the media if he regains power. he wants the media to bend to his will or pay the price. again, he has been saying that over and over and over again, out loud and on camera. >> i go a step further, so bad they should lose their license and take 60 minutes off the air.

the new york times is one of the most dishonest of all, i watched this new york times and it is a classic, wait until you see what i will do with them, you will have so much fun. nbc took a big hit last night, to be honest, they are a news organization, they have to be licensed to do it, they ought to take away the license for the way they did that. >> this is not normal, at least not in democracy. appropriate to ask the question, is it time to start using the f word . >> donald trump is about taking us backward. >> about fascism, let's say it. >> we can say that. speed all week, donald trump given opportunity after opportunity to either downplay or clarify his comments about what he called, the enemy from within. conservative press keeps handing him offense to give them a chance to say he did not really mean it when he thinks

the american military should be turned against american citizens with whom he disagrees. donald trump keeps doubling down, in fact, here he was again, just this morning. >> i think we have more of an enemy from within that we do outside. if you have a smart president, they talk about china and russia and everything else, you have a smart president they're not the problem. we have a bigger problem from within, i noticed today, he said the enemy from within, of course, adam schiff, these are bad people. >> donald trump is not backtracking can you say overtly outright, he would like to use the u.s. military to go after political enemies, people like the political congressman he named, adam schiff. while trump wants to use the government to go after political enemies, listen to how he is speaking about the january 6th rioters, the violent group of his supporters who attacked our nation's capitol in a bid to keep him in power. this is not old footage i'm about to show you, this is donald trump talking about that

january 6th rioters today. >> why are they still being held ? nobody has ever been treated like this, maybe the japanese during the second world war, frankly. they were held too. >> trump is comparing the january 6th rioters to the japanese americans who were interred in camps in america during world war ii. the january 6th rioters attacked our nation's capitol, attacked police officers, destroyed government property. the japanese americans interned during world war ii did nothing wrong. they were simply rounded up by their government because they were of japanese descent. donald trump sees those two groups as equally victimized. while donald trump thinks that january 6th rioters facing time for their crime is an outrage, he actually does want to use the arcane, more than 200 -year-old law used by the united states government to imprison the japanese. the law is called the alien

enemies act of 1798 and trump want to use it to round up and imprison and deport more than 11 million people. >> immediately upon taking the oath of office, i will launch the largest deportation program in american history. i will ask every town and dated across america invaded and conquered and i will put these vicious and bloodthirsty criminals in jail or kick them out of our country, which is my number one -- i will invoke the alien enemies act of 1798, that is where we had to go, to target and dismantle every migrant criminal network operating on american soil. >> that was donald trump 25 minutes ago tonight. think about what trump is proposing would really look like, millions and millions of

people ripped from the streets and their homes by law enforcement across the country. i know trump tries to make that sound more reasonable by saying that the people he would be targeting our criminals. the thing to keep in mind is that trump thinks that all immigrants he does not like our criminals. here he was last week talking about haitian immigrants in springfield, ohio, whom he knows are in america legally. >> look at springfield where 30,000 illegal immigrants are dropped, they may have done it through a certain little trick, but they are illegal immigrants as far as i'm concerned. >> they are illegal immigrants because donald trump feels like they should be illegal immigrants. that little trick made them illegal immigrants. whether the press, political enemies, the immigrants, donald trump planning to use the powers of the notice of government, the military, the police, the justice department, to go after any person or group he perceives as his enemy

whether or not they have done anything wrong. he is not being shy about it, he is campaigning about it in the open. writing in the atlantic, donald trump speaking like hitler, stalin, and mussolini for a reason, because he and his campaign team believed by using the tactics of the 1930s, they can win. >> we pledge to you that we will root out the communists, marxists, fascists, radical left thugs that live like vermin. poisoning the blood of our country, that is what they have done. >> people are coming in with disease, people are coming in with every possible thing you can have. what is happening to our country is we are destroying the fabric of life in our country and we will not take it any longer. you've got to get rid of these people. if i don't get elected, it will be a bloodbath, that will be the least of it, it will be a bloodbath. you're not going to be a dictator, are you?

no, no, other than day one. >> joining me is ruth and jason, ruth is a professor of history at nyu that writes about fascism, authoritarianism and propaganda. jason is a professor of philosophy at yale who wrote several books about fascism and propaganda. good evening to both of you, thank you for being here. ruth, we had some version of this conversation many times, with you and jason. it is escalating. you posted a tweet the other day because donald trump was in oaks, pennsylvania on monday in front of a sign that read, trump was right about everything. you posted a tweet in which it said, this is totally fascist. the mussolini slogan was mussolini is always right. you've got in italian as well. here it is on a building advertising exhibition on -- i guess is like autocracy, i don't know. >> so yes, it is like self-

sufficiency, italy first. this was mussolini putting italy first and getting rid of foreign influence that included jews tagged as foreign influence. everything we have seen in the clips trump doing has been done by the fascists. even before hitler came into power, mussolini was talking about vermin and rodents that bring bolshevism and marxism and diseases into italy. when he declared dictatorship, he had penal colonies and concentration camps inside italy. he was in there? the same groups donald trump talks about, the left, the marxists, even priests if you are a socialist priest or progressive priest, lgbtq

people, immigrants, complained about black, brown, yellow people in his words having too many babies. all of the same playbook so it is very, very disturbing that trump is doing this and the reason he is doing this right before the election to create a sense of dread in people and fear because that is what he preys upon, what he needs for people to feel he is the answer. >> jason, i'm in arizona tonight, in swing state, all of the advertising is about the election. the number of ads that i heard taken over by third-party groups or pacs about immigration, the stuff ruth is talking about, the 20 minute drive between the hotel and studio, it instills anxiety because they warn you about the horrible things happening, even if not happening to you or you don't experience them.

this has worked for decades, probably centuries or millennia and it still works, why are we not more sophisticated than we were in the '30s when hitler and mussolini were doing this or times before that? >> just a bracket ruth's comments with hitler and mussolini, hitler talks about he openly admires america's extremely restrictive immigration. particularly, he says, it's focus on healthy immigrants meaning racially healthy immigrants. this is really straight out of mein kampf, the parts were hitler is talking about american immigration and american restrictions on white immigration. really, i think the philosophical question, as a philosopher, what i wonder what i ask, why are people not more alarmed? why are people not more alarmed by the rhetoric we are seeing? this would be disqualifying in

2016. we have read this again and again about the history of fascism, we read this from victor -- work on the language of -ism, it becomes normalized, the function of this normalization is to normalize the practices. now the rhetoric has been normalized, the next move, history tells us, is for this rhetoric to normalize the practices. >> it goes into action. ruth, this is interesting because you on your social media feeds and newsletter, you warn of these things, you have a running commentary about the fact that, don't let this be normalized, this is really unusual. by the way, these are the historical precedents to what donald trump is doing. do you feel like it has gotten away from you? we treat it like it is friday

when donald trump says crazy things like you will ask rupert murdoch to make sure there are no commercials against him for the next three weeks, less than three weeks to the election. >> i don't know if it has gotten away, all we can do is continue to call it out and continue to ask, not only talk about the what but the why. for example, you can talk about historical antecedents for this, what trump has been doing is to change the perception of violence in america. that is what the fascists had to do, in order to get people to buy into the violence you intend to wage on your own population, you have to get violence two- seam something that is morally necessary and even patriotic, as with the thugs that bashed the heads of capitol police on january 6th. now they are patriots. trump has invested a huge

amount of time and effort changing this perception of violence. the other thing you have to do is get people beyond polarization into what i call survivalism. it is not just me versus you and we agree to disagree, it is me or you and only one of us will survive because the enemy is within, it is in the heartland. the enemy is savage, they eat cats and dogs, they eat your pets, cannibals. you literally will not survive if not for trump and he has been giving this message for a long time but he has hugely escalated it now. we can continue to call it out and callout divisive and why it is being done the way it is and educate people. that is what i've tried to do for years now. >> what you do and it is important work. you pointed out that donald trump says, i am your retribution, mussolini was your avenger. it is the same

concept. jason, i do wonder about fascism when we talk about the word. you saw charlemagne that god saying take kamala harris, why not use the word fascism? general mark milley in bob woodward's new book is that donald trump is fascist to the core, military man. tell me about the word fascism, too little, too late, too little, too much, should we have the discussion? so far removed from experience as american citizens and some people don't take it seriously and make it feel like you are being crazy by saying it. >> it is far past time to label this what it is. what we are saying is a fascist , social, and political movement. many varieties of authoritarianism. the kind of authoritarianism that vilifies lgbtq citizens, that is based around immigration and

immigrants as criminals and vermin, that labels any supporter of democracy as a marxist, that claims that marxists are controlling the institutions and we need violence to rip them out. the kind of extortion we are seeing. essentially, trump is saying, if you don't elect me, this country will plunge into violence but he says bloodshed, what does he mean one of the things he means is that he is encouraging his supporters to plunge the country into violence. that is a kind of extortion we are familiar with our fascist past. authoritarianism does not identify the target narrowly enough what we are dealing with now is fascism. let me tell you something about the rhetoric that we are seeing. in rwanda, before the genocide, they called -- snakes and cockroaches. snakes of, it was a point of honor to be given a machete to kill a snake. what you're saying is you're justifying killing -- with machetes by

calling them snakes. think about calling immigrants vermin. >> de-humanizing and permission structure to do all of the things either the government for you think are right to do. thanks to both of you for your work clarifying this. ruth and jason, appreciate your time tonight. coming up, we are going to be discussing this, kamala harris and union workers. kamala harris delivered another impassioned defense of labor unions but is it resonating with rank-and-file members who are on the fence? 18 days until election day, big names like former president barack obama in swing state, here he is in tucson tonight making their pitch to voters in the home stretch. we have more on that after the break.

he just decided, you know what, i will stop taking questions and then of a maria and ymca half an hour, folks are standing there not sure what is happening. can you imagine if i did that? you would be worried if your grandpa was acting like this. imagine it coming from a guy who wants to be given unchecked power. tucson, we do not need to see what an older, loony or donald trump looks like.

>> president obama in tucson, arizona tonight as the harris campaign brings out the heavy hitters for the final days of the campaign. turning as a's former campaign manager for bernie sanders in 2020 and his presidential campaign and founder and executive director for more perfect union. thank you for being here tonight. talk to me about the last 18 days of the campaign and how you see it going, a lot of people nervous about the fact the whole race has tightened, which often happens. it typically happens, it is a dead heat in the country it is a dead heat in the swing states, how do you make of what is unfolding? >> the structure of the race has always been sound. go back to the last president election, joe biden wins with 180 million votes, start with that base as well. huge turnout against donald trump, that is the basis, since then he led insurrection, sat in trials that revealed his poor conduct. since then, we have seen

abortion bans going to affect that destroyed so many families lives to those structural things are there, those are facts. i think we are in a good place where people know and understand donald trump should not be the next president of the united states. the last thing left is you're not just voting against donald trump, you're voting for kamala harris,, harris and it candidate the last 90 days of the campaign, still has work to do to introduce who she is, what her values are, what motivates her, why she wants to wields government power on your behalf. thinking of the lingering votes who are shading too much to trump amongst working-class voters, largely because they don't know who she is fully or her value system and she has work to do in the final stretch of convincing them i will go to bat for you, i understand your life. >> what has to happen because people have worried about that, your old boss is one of them, debby dingell in michigan is worried the message has to be

sharper for the working class. i will be speaking to somebody in a few minutes about union support of kamala harris. do you think she pivoted in the right direction and is doing enough? what is that message, what is it have to be? >> bit by bit, i'm not sold, not just policy, really reflecting, i understand your life. donald trump, you see what he has been doing, liar and con artists but a decent con artist. he will go, even tonight, i will rollout a tax where people that are in active duty and law enforcement will not pay taxes. no taxes on social security, no taxes on tips or over time, no taxes on car loans, i have tariff, john deere worker, your job moved to mexico, i will fight for you and put tariff on all the goods coming back from mexico. it sounds good, it is nonsense. seen his record of four years. where you compete with that, not only column out for being the con artist, you expressed to those workers at nestor

licanto john deere, stellantis, her struggling, i know what you're going through. i'm not here to sell a bill of goods of everything is great, there have been improvements in the economy and we will not turn around like that. i can see is harder for you to own a house, own a car, that animation from her about understanding the plight you are going through is critical, especially, i think she gets pulled in directions talking about small businesses, mark cuban talking about this and that, lina khan, try to talk about crypto, it is a big ten, don't lose tens of millions of working-class voters that want to know, do you know my life, are you aware of it? >> donald trump was in detroit a week and a half ago, he was insulting to the audience there. literally a city built on the working class. he does not seem to incur cost for doing that. your argument was valid about what kamala harris to do better. i'm curious, do you think he incurs a cost for the insults

he hurls at working-class people? speak at this point, my view is he has a cap. people have made their judgment, he is 100% known, doing his own voter mobilization, sitting at fox and friends and going on podcasts, he does not mind we criticize them because of some degree it is generating intensity on his own base., harris has a ton of intensity in her own base. talking about the last, 4% or 5%, my view is, they go to trump, they weren't sold on harris, not that they are for him. they have fallen that way, we can't let them fall that way. 4% or 5% i think inclined toward kamala harris, don't want to go down the chaos of donald trump, it is the job to sell it to them, not only is the stakes of his presidency awful, i know your life, i'm prepared to fight for it. i know you're cynical about government, i will reform government, stand up to corporate power, and use whatever authorities i have to try to improve your life to

recognize and understand we made marginal improvements but not there yet, give me four more years to add on to the work we have been doing to fight for middle-class families. >> the other issue is, donald trump involved in voter mobilization effort, clearly a lot of what happens. kamala harris still introducing herself in some cases, motivating some voters but she has to get the turnout. in the last presidential election, almost as many people voted for joe biden who could have voted did not vote. is enough being done on that front because that is a real threat this time around, people that say i'm deliberately sitting this election out. >> i tend to think that sometimes people who are the last deciders, they are not huge information consumers. they might be cynical about government, they want to know, what do you fight for? sometimes it is important to pick the right fights. in my view, some of the partisan fight taking on donald trump have limited die, they know, you're running for president against him, got it,

you don't like him, he does not like you, that is understood. what are the other animating sites likes i tend to live in a place, believe, working-class whites were corporate power is at play. why biden got a lot of success finding big pharma, utilizing the powers of his agency to take on corporate abuses of all kinds, whether junk fees, shrinkflation, you remember these things. taking on the corporate tax system, fighting the billionaire class, introducing -- other fights beyond partisan would donald trump i think is important to her, particularly the last bit. i like the corporate predatory price gouging she talked about. even if you say build houses in america, not just building houses, prepared and willing to take on fights to build housing, that is what people know and understand a lot of things don't come easy, paid leave, raise the minimum wage, that requires bites you want to animate i'm willing to fight for those on your behalf. >> good to see you tonight.

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